Flaps failure on approach. Air Canada Boeing 787 stops on runway at Toronto after landing. Real ATC
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- THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
20-MAY-2024. An Air Canada Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner (B789), registration C-FRSE, performing flight ACA062 / AC62 from Seoul Incheon International Airport (South Korea) to Toronto Pearson International Airport (Canada) being on approach at Toronto Pearson Airport reported flaps failure and requested delay vectors to work out the problem. Later the flight crew declared PAN-PAN, requested emergency services to meet them after landing and decided to start the approach to runway 24 right. After landing the airplane stopped on the runway due to hot brakes and requested the inspection by the emergency personnel. The aircraft remained on the runway for about 22 minutes and after that continued taxi to the gate.
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Timestamps:
00:17 Air Canada Boeing 787 is descending towards Toronto Airport. Flap problem. Pilots request delay vectors
04:05 PAN-PAN. Flaps failure. The flight crew is ready to commence the approach
05:38 Air Canada was transferred to the frequency of Tower controller
06:43 Landing. Communications on the ground with emergency personnel
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Canadian controllers and pilots are so polite. Awesome
Controller: "Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
That’s why I’m very proud to be Canadian.
all controllers and pilots have to be nice and calm towards to each other
We secretly hate eachother though. But we keep our jobs.
Excellent work by both. You could tell the pilot is not a cowboy. Very calculated and cautious. ATC completely accommodating, even considering the situation.
Yeehaw
Whatever anyone says about Air Canada, their pilots are amazing and so are those airport firefighters. Love them.
The cabin crew are straight from Hell, though. They seem to have a preference for aggressive French gay guys who know they're in control and like to make sure everyone knows it.
@@GWNorth-db8vn Ooh, I'd love me a French guy that's in control but the gay part doesn't work for me! 🤪😂
@@jenkudla - They have a habit of telling people to sit down and shut up. In those very words. They're union and know they can call the cops if anyone even talks back to them. If you know gay guys, you know there is a percentage of them who really turn the flame on when they're around someone who is bothered by it. Air Canada flight attendants seem to be cut from the same cloth. "I know you hate me, so I'm going to put you in your place". Except they treat everyone like their enemy that they have to tolerate, but barely.
This is what astronaut Jim Lovell would call "a successful failure." Excellent work by all on this.
Always so professional and kind.
Great landing with a side on wind gusting 28. Very professional
A crosswind
At least the landing gear didn't lose a wheel, hydraulic system didn't bust a hose and plug door stayed in
Calmness and training by all involved make these situations end well
So many youtube commentators who think they know better than the pilot and ATC 🙄
The FLIR camera the fireman talks about refer to special handheld cameras made by US firm, Teledyne FLIR, that enable a thermal imaging of the brakes of the aircraft to detect any hotspots that may indicate potential areas for fire to erupt.
Yep, we even use them at bushfires and vehicle fires to look for hot spots after the main blaze is controlled.
The terminology is confusing because FLIR is an acronym for Forward-Looking InfraRed, which describes an entire category of thermal imaging cameras, not just the ones made by Teledyne FLIR. So when people say they have a FLIR camera, I have no idea whether they are referring to the type of camera generically, or whether they are talking about the specific brand.
@davidh4653 the navy just calls then TIC thermal imaging camera
It is like using the term kleenex for facial tissues
Nice 10 kt headwind component helping with the flap situation.
I experienced a “ non routine landing” back in 1998 on a KLM flight from Schiphol to Accra where flaps failed during landing approach. The 90 minutes we circled the airport before landing were the longest in my life! Crew were exemplary in their handling of the incident. Closest I ever want to get to a full on emergency.
Agree with other comments credit to all- most professional!
No.....the emergency vehicle was right to call tower.......since the incident aircraft was remaining ON the runway.
Flaps failed. Pilots did not get in a flap. ATC did not get in a flap.
Early in the morning where I am. read your post- and chuckled! Thanks
But they ate flapjacks in the morning.
Well done by all parties.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🇨🇦👍🏻
Great video, anyone can explain why the Fire Truck asked for Radar to be off? Engine idle and Breaks on made sense to me. Was not aware of hasard related to radar. Thanks
Radar isn’t very good for you
It’s like your kitchen microwave oven! Emits radiation and fries brains! Lol
They didn’t want to Gigahertz their manly bits to a crisp ⚡️
Just curious, if winds 320/20 gusting 30, wouldn't runway 33 be the safest approach?
Worked Flap issues on 787’s for years. Always kept us on our toes.
Hope pilots reported these problems.
Omg- NOT a 787- I guess it was a normal airplane thing then?
Hate to hear it
Why the back and forth 24R 23 24R? Is that due to the weather close to 23? How does not having flaps impact sensitivity to weather and crosswind?
C-FRSE is an Old aircraft Registration Key for a newer 787 Dream-liner, the newer machines made have CG designation at the start not CF. Odd.
The registrations get re-used in Canada
Why wouldn't they land on 33R? It's almost directly into the wind which was stated at 320 / 20 knots and it's 1300 feet longer than 24R.
Indeed strange 33R wasn’t requested or offered.
Yyz doesn’t like to use the 33s. They end up with tons of noise complaints. Unless the winds are sustained over 30 kts, you’re going to be taking a cross wind.
@@mikelayzell1158 In normal OPS fair enough. Under a PAN PAN, don’t think so. Especially with a fault where you want to minimize GS on touchdown (Flaps and/or Slats INOP).
@@mikelayzell1158 pan or maydays negate any ninnies calling to complain
I was the enroute controller that handed this aircraft off to arrival so I can tell you why: There was a big thunderstorm basically right at the end of the 33s. The end of the landing roll and the missed approach path would have been very bad. They initially asked for 23 and I told them it was a bad idea for the same reason.
Also, landing the crossing runway has a big impact on the operation and they didnt declare an emergency. They normally would have to declare an emergency in order to get the intersecting runway to the active
Just don't flare! Was the the NW rwy not available? Well done guys.
Landing distance available
Just a small correction but they said it was a slat failure, not a flap failure.
There's no way to isolate a specific slat, so keeping the broken one retracted would've meant a “no flap landing,” where all of the high-lift devices, both flaps and slats, remain stowed. A jetliner can land just fine this way - it just needs to do so at a higher speed, requiring more runway.
@@Total_Body_Fitness_USA That’s not true for the 787. The flaps and slats operate separately and even with one system shut down the other still operates normally. A “SLATS DRIVE” EICAS message means the slats are not functioning but the flaps still work. In that case the QRH procedure is a flaps 20 landing.
@@Mark-md9pe Hmm, didn't know that. I would think that if slats could be operated independently that it would cause the aircraft to become unstable. For example, activating flaps and slats on one wing and not the other would produce lift on that one wing and not the other which would cause issues with aircraft stability? Your thoughts on this?
@@Total_Body_Fitness_USA if the airplane detects any asymmetry it will immediately freeze all of those controls, I.e. all of the flaps or all of the slats. For example, let’s say it detects a skewed slat, all of the slats are locked out but all of the flaps still work… 787 specific.
I had a similar problem in an A300 when the flaps would not extend beyond 15°. We were on final for a 12500 foot runway at Orlando, so the Captain opted not to say anything except we’d be landing fast. As I recall the speed addition was only 15 knots, so it really wasn’t a big deal. No problem, but we left the flaps at 15 when we taxis in so maintenance could take a look at it. It was our last flight of the day.
Extra 15 knots is a hell of a lot of extra braking force required with additional temperature of wheels tyres etc not to mention the landing force exerted on wheels and undercarriage! Not to be dismissed as insignificant!
Fire crew very professional asking for radar off and engines at idle
Oh sh!t I flew on this very same flight & plane before. Same destination just not on May 20th
Meeeeeeeeeeeeee
Why did red 11 want them to shut off the radar? What does that mean exactly?
potential for high energy radiation by the nose
Sounds spooky
They had to turn off the chemtrail machines too
Probably a standard call-out for the emergency personnel approaching an aircraft.
Also needed so the FLIR Camera heat-detector system can operate correctly with no interference ☢🚫
I remember going on flightradar24 and seeing this sitting on the runway wondering what happened.
Imagine if USA would be this calm and professional?
Everything just...worked. No stress. No hurry. No overly chittychatty about fuel and souls and "do you want to declare an emergency" and shit.
As it should be done!
They must all have been under stress, or they wouldn't have been so rude to each other. I only heard one apology in the whole video, and nobody said "eh" to give the other person a chance to agree.
Do passengers know there is an emergency on these most the time? Or not until they land?
most pax have 0 clue about anything on an airplane
@@ghostrider-be9ek thats probably good though
@@innate4994 its fine until things go wrong on a flight, then its a problem
I think theres a $35 fee if you want to know about emergencies.
@@vladamirkb1 😂what a bargain
YYZ
Anyone know why emergency crews need radar shut off?
I Googled your question. I guess so it doesn't confuse them with other aircraft and to keep things as it was put in the article "from clogging up."
Because they can be harmed by the radiation emitted from the RADAR, especially when getting close to the aircraft to check temps on the brakes.
Why didn’t I hear about this. I guess it doesn’t make news unless there’s injuries
It happened 10 days ago, and you are hearing about it. Aviation incidents like this happen daily and you are right. They aren't at all newsworthy unless there's deaths, injuries, or serious property damage, which is rare.
Surely you can't be serious.
@@Damone7653 I am serious. And don't call me Shirley.
This could have very badly ended like that Air France with the horrible weather.
AF had little to do with weather, and mostly to do with dumb piloting
@@ghostrider-be9ek have a read for yourself ;)
www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/2005/a05h0002/a05h0002.pdf
Fascinating culture differences. American pilots would have likely exited the runway on Delta or even Charlie4.
yea i dont get it either - gtfo the rwy unless disabled
I don’t think it makes much difference either way - even if the pilots exited the runway the airport would still probably close the runway temporarily.
couple things, first thats how its trained, its your runway. second evacuating on a runway is more desirable than a taxiway for space trucks etc, once your commited to the taxiway your not going back obviously, lastly, traffic volume in Toronto generally a non issue to manage with the other 2 runways, typically 1 runway doing nothing most days if anyone is worried about the traffic.
@@testpirate2570 what do you think happens when some numpties land on that same runway by accident?
@@ghostrider-be9ek This is either a terrible joke or you have no idea what you're talking about and I can't decide which one it is.
Another Boeing? :D
Flaps on a 787 are odd. On the ground you have to lower them in a very specific way or they will impinge on the spoiler panels. That's odd. I don't care who, what, why, or how........when I need to lower the flaps the aircraft should do whatEVER it needs to do to lower those flaps......and I don't want to know about it either. Just DO IT. The airlines should have never accepted the thing with strange proclivities like that.
Boeing got everyone home safe and sound.
If it ain’t Boeing, we ain’t going!
I wonder if the Air Canada brass would love to trade their B787-9 for a fleet of A350-900?
I think they'd sooner trade the 777s
get off the damn runway guys
Another Boeing product
Yeah the report Boeing/ airbus is 13/1.
Always that 💩💩boeing
another boeing issue... when all those shitty planes will be grounded definately ?
What a piece of crap aircraft. never fly on one if you value your safety,
0 need to park on the RWY at a major airport like that - unless you are on fire or nose gear steering failure. Stupid pilots or dumb company policy.
Standard ops is to pull off into the nearest high speed exit and clear the active. Extra 15 seconds and makes 0 difference to the temps already if you keep it rolling, in fact it would help the brakes cool slightly.
Luckily the commander was in charge and not you then. If you had listened properly you would have heard that the tower had told them that their existing position was the best place to hold
@@davidwarren202 luckly for the commander, the fuse plugs did not melt and they would have become immobile and YYZ would lost that runway and delayed 1000s of flights - all for 0 increase in safety
@@ghostrider-be9ek They waited for a short amount of time for the brakes to cool, 24R was not on use (why they said the lights just came on) and if they made a right onto Delta they would still be blocking the taxiway as they were in their current position. Sure maybe if 24R wasn't occupied aircraft coming off of D6 or D could've made a right onto 24R and then onto C4, D4, etc. They're all professionals and I'm sure they did the best given the situation at hand - CYYZ has many runways and I'm sure ops could be adjusted to handle this situation
@@ghostrider-be9ek Two more into wind runways.
@@danialbeg the safety of the aircraft is paramount - GTFO the runway as its a danger zone - way more dangerous than taxiing an extra 15 seconds with no increase in brake temps.
They are NOT all professionals, and AC has demonstrated this numerous times the last 5 years. Way too many people in the front who cant think outside of a book or manual.
PRETTY ODD EVENT'S HAPPENING WITH BOEING PLANES LATELY 🤔🤔🤔
"Events" happen with all manufacturers' airplanes all day every day. Today an A21 lost pressure and the cabin crew prepared the cabin for a water landing. An A320 overran a runway. An E190 had a birdstrike. An A320 rejected takeoff after a bird strike. And a CRJ9 had smoke in the cabin. Sigh
@@JohnSmith-zi9or wtf is up with the airlines???? Ha's this much sh*t always been happening...I don't recall...I'm 45
@@zackhoover5171 Every single day in all parts of the world. Prior to social media and smart phones, you really only heard about an plane incident if it was severe!
@@zackhoover5171 It's always been happening. And the airline industry is safer than it ever has been.
Yep!
I seen this too
And the litigation with Boeing
A these issues are all strange
None of the mechanical issues are serious but does put fear factor to fly
ALMOST LIKE WERE SECRETLY BEING ATTACKED FROM THE INSIDE..🤔🤔🤔
Almost like you watch too much BS mass media