Pilots Significantly Deviates from Instructed departure route. Real ATC Audio
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- čas přidán 7. 05. 2024
- Date: March 29, 2024.
Location: Minneapolis-St Paul International/Wold-Chamberlain Airport (KMSP/MSP)
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This is truly bizarre. You would fail a basic Instrument rating checkride in a Cessna doing this.....
That’s true but it also happens at a snails pace in a Cessna and you’re hand flying
@@stephenleemd123 To be fair its all relative. Task saturation can still be pretty high when youre hand flying a 172 ifr with nothing but steam gauges, just like it probably is flying in the airlines with more complex systems, faster planes, etc. Even with an autopilot
@@TheGoomba102IsOnCZcams no fooking excuse for 2 commercial pilots nor being able to select heading select 105 and activate ffs... she repeated the instruction several times....must have been blowing the captain
Very bizarre. I’d think they’d use the mag compass if it has one. Scary to think this is a part 121 operation. Well at least she held wings level. Aviate, navigate communicate.
I swear that was the captain’s kid in the right seat.
Legend has it teh ATC is still telling Endeavor 5002 that the heading is 105
As they continue to fly endless right turns
Legend has it that Mel Gibson is the owner of Endeavor Airlines :)
Joke is so played out
Legend has it they continued northbound and went around the world.
"Did they ever return, no they never returned, and their fate is still unknown..." :)
Someone entered 005, and never looked down 😂
Completely agree with your assessment. Zero situational awareness.
@@Francois8011 nope, they went well past north….
@@willer3399more like 305!
That ATC is a class act, really refreshing to hear someone with empathy and not copping a sassy attitude.
Imagine this out of JFK 💀
It has absolutely nothing to do with empathy, but absolutely avoiding a collision. this isn’t about your feelings. This is about doing things correctly and avoided a tragedy.
But if he gives the pretty sounding sweet little lady a hall pass on multiple major “possible” pilot deviations over a city, he damn well better be as kind to the next 10 guys that pull something like this. 10:1 are also the odds that he won’t.
@@RetreadPhoto she's not the pilot who is deviating though. There is someone else, likely in the left (captain's seat) flying the plane. She's the pilot monitoring and should be picking up the issue too, but there are two people making mistakes here.
@@ChrisCooper312 if she ain’t communicating, she’s as much at fault as anyone. Anyone that sits there and keeps blindly repeating, “you betcha, we’re on it, cheerio” while the plane goes in the wrong direction, and she acts like everything is fine, I’m not cutting her a second of slack. No way controller would have treated a man like this.
The audacity to say “everything’s normal” at the end…
she wanted to keep her job lol
She seemed oblivious, but why didn't ATC ask her what the indicated heading was in order to cross check?
Yeah there was a lot of hints of “The heading is.. hey if you’re having problems…” which should have been acknowledged by the pilot. But when that didn’t happen it seems surprising there wasn’t an explicit “we need you to follow the directed heading 105 and you have not been doing so, please advise reason” call.
Agreed. After noticing she was still not turning, ATC should have asked her, "5002, what does your instrument say is indicated heading? Confirm it says 105 please."
"She" was handling the radios. Someone else was flying the plane.
@@ChrisCooper312 She still has instruments and can cross-check them. Very odd...
@@chrisschack9716 oh yes, she's not innocent. It's just the way some people are talking it's like this is a single pilot light aircraft where she is the one solely responsible for flying it. She's not, and there is someone else sitting, likely in the left seat, flying the plane and hearing all the radio communications.
Legend has it no one over the age of 10 was in the cockpit.
5002 never obeyed with a single instruction post takeoff. Everything ok and we are turning, and then continue North? WTF was that?
ATC: "Is your instructor with you?"
@@parti-gyle6466 ATC wouldn't say something unprofessional like this, as they know this is a commercial flight with two pilots, and that the other pilot will be flying the plane.
Yank their licenses absolutely unacceptable. That’s how you get people killed. Surprised no flight deviation was called.
@@ChrisCooper312 Don’t be dense, it’s a joke dickhead
Wow, this was bizzare. Soundsd more like a student pilot on their first X country in a 172. 🤔
Amazing no number was given for a possible pilot deviation.
crazy...
Every airplane has a magnetic compass for just this situation. If ATC keeps "reminding" you of your assigned heading (or altitude, or airspeed, or baro setting, etc) you are likely screwing the pooch and need to step back and take a look at what you are doing.
Wow, That is a real head scratcher. In a post 9/11 world, that type of navigational error can cause a lot of trouble. ATC did not seem too upset. They must be nicer in MN. Don't try that with NY ATC.
Minnesota Nice.😊
Is that because of the 6 airports within a few miles of each other and no time for ignorance like that?
I am amazed that she did not get a number
Diversity privileges
Same I was Just waiting but it never came.
She could diverse right into the path of another aircraft. The hell with quotas and forced inclusion. Work for the qualifications and get the job on merit and appropriate training skills.
It probably came on a later frequency or she got a call from her company later to file a report with their safety reporting program.
Nice to have female privilege huh?
I flew the Crj for 10 years. The AHRS system was wonky, so I’m willing to bet this was an instrument issue they couldn’t figure out. But the whole thing seems bizarre.
Isn’t it their moral obligation to say as much over communications? Those are multiple SERIOUS deviations with no explanation. I’d honestly suspect they were sneaking in a quickie. Post-9/11 this type of flying raises eyebrows.
@@RetreadPhoto Exactly. There's nothing wrong with admitting an issue, even a PAN PAN call.
Is the CRJ not equipped with a compass?
they should have a backup instrument, right? there’s no excuse for those crj pilots..
Compass error or not, no clue where effing east is?
Where's that phone number?!
I can guarantee you although it’s not a FOQA call, Endeavor called the crew themselves on this one, And probs the FAA was involved. I’ve gotten an FAA call without the phone number.
Doesn’t matter, they wouldn’t get it right anywho.
What the hell!!!! They never did get on the right bearing even after they acknowledged their instructions. Hopefully both of those that were in the front up there are sent back to remedial training.......
Are you still having your classes in your basement next to the dryer?
@@RLTtizMEFound the pilot.
She said, "I think its back to normal". Could have been a legit issue.
If it were a legit issue, then they were required to let ATC know.
Watched this video twice now. And my blood pressure is at edge case.
Hearing this chick reading back the ATC commands relaxed as one can be and
flying the plane elsewhere ! If I was the controller , I really immediately wanted to know
what heading their instruments show !! What if they were climbing above 7000 ?
Critical situation when ATC only can guess what's next.
Love the visuals, really well done.
Thank you for watching!
Looks like the pilots got cold feet and left Heading 105 all alone at the altar.
Tower was VERY patient with them :D
Departure control, not tower.
A simple heading is the most basic direction ATC can issue. To get that wrong over and over and never say a word should get her fired immediately.
Why no "we have a phone number" for obvious departure SID deviation?
I have no proof but I also have no doubt that the first entry on the AP heading panel was HDG 150 and then tried to correct it instead of using 105 they put 050. 😅
I live right by MSP but she didn’t overfly my place as she went the opposite direction.
It's possible that they were having "equipment issues", but I doubt it. If I'm flying a given heading and the controller is still telling me to turn to that heading then I'm going to immediately tell him "already showing that heading on my end" and we're both going to know there's an issue. The most annoying part is that she just kept right on parroting the heading back to tower but literally not making any attempt to turn or cross check the current shown heading. She also struggled to remember her own call sign on almost every call which tells me she was likely pretty behind the plane.
Frustrating to watch, but good job on controllers to try to help. In other parts of the country, I suspect they'd have been given a phone number.
Why not declare an emergency for her and vector her back for a landing? There is either something drastically wrong with her instruments, or she has no business flying a commercial jet.
I don’t think adding more vectors would help here. They could barely handle one. 😆
"she" isn't flying the plane. Someone else is in the cockpit, listening to the radio and controlling the plane.
@@ChrisCooper312 Definitely true, Chris. However this video shoes that there are not one but "two" incompetent pilots who are not excercising good crew resource management. She can still verify that the pilot flying is inputting the correct headings.
@@BrianMonette I know that, but the first posters use of "her" and "she" suggests that she is the only one at fault, when in fact there is another person flying the plane who is also at fault here. In this case the use of "they" and "them" would not be "woke" but factual.
@@ChrisCooper312 If you are more worried about pronouns than a commercial airliner completely deviating from ATC instructions, then you are an awesome example of what is wrong with this world.
At the start it looks like they were going to 150 and didn't notice they were making a right turn when it should have been left. After that maybe they didn't understand they were being given a heading, and instead thought they were supposed to turn left 105, and again got confused and put in 150. She even asks to confirm (without saying her callsign) 105, as though she thought they were on 105. Then at some point it seems they were so confused they could answer the radio calls. Love to know what was happening.
This is a big problem with parallel runways, they can easy kill someone. Pilot deviation.
Somebody was not doing the basics, and it definitely wasn't tower.
Any theory as to what was going on there? Instrument failure? I was waiting for the tower to ask her what her current heading was.
Probably not in the right autopilot mode, so turning the heading bug to 105, but that’s not doing anything because they’re not in HDG mode. They seem to get on course when they got direct SNINE, so my guess is is they were following something in the FMS, instead of HDG, coupled with poor situational awareness.
diversity
I can't imagine this, but the ONLY thing that I can think of is that they were in the wrong lateral navigation mode. This is the issue with being too heavily dependent on automation. My *guess* is that they were in LNAV (GPS based) navigation instead of HDG (Heading) and neither the PF nor the PNF caught it (which would be remarkable). At this stage of the game, they should both be well aware of how to fly a heading by now so .. I'm not sure what the heck happened there.
Your stupidity, more like.
Her seeming oblivious to the situation could also be the result of instructors teaching her (them) - “NEVER admit anything on the radio!”. But that kinda thing can be taken to the extreme which results in her answering every radio call as if the world is beautiful and absolutely nothing is wrong.
Be pragmatic…..don’t volunteer stuff that you don’t need to on the freq. but come on, speak up if there’s a problem. ATC will help. They aren’t monsters.
As a certified pilot, I can tell you that the reason is that someone did not put their phone in airplane mode.
Hahaha! 🏆👍
Lol!!
Airplane mode is a diversion so other nation states waste their time trying to figure out how to utilize it against us. Just keeps their resources tied up from doing other things that would work.
The pilots most likely loaded some procedure and it was activated. Autopilot instead of flying the plane.
How was she allowed to keep ignoring the turn command without being told to call the number?
Ding....EFIS COMP MON. 😆 But for real, they messed up
Burbank, the VNY departure coming off of 15 is the worst for that. ....still, I don't think we've ever been that far off.
I've checked and this flight usually departed 30R back in March. Would be interesting to know if 12L was a last minute change that day.
They couldn't change the heading because they were probably following the FMS route clearance and were not in HDG mode.
No earthly valid excuse or cover for that chitchow
@@RetreadPhoto What are talking about and what do excuses have to do with my comment?
Ridiculous
Well, then put it in heading mode!!!!!
Nothing you said makes sense, just FYI. Not in the sense that I don’t understand what you mean, but that it’s not how an aircraft FMC works. Doesn’t matter what runway was used in previous flights, that has no bearing on this specific day. Doesn’t matter if they gave them a different heading/departure, that’s a simple fix that wouldn’t explain all this. Stick with the flightsim, learn more, comment less. You’re just going to confuse people who aren’t familiar (including yourself)
Considering that that runway used is already oriented at 120 this should be a short left turn to get on assigned heading 105. Pilot needs to check instruments but common sense and pre take off brief should tell you that turning right after take off will take away from your assigned heading. From there she was so confused .........
It didn’t help that (at least looking at the track data) the second time they were told “Left heading 105” they were already through 090 and in a left turn. That only adds to confusion and disorientation. Probably why a subsequent call from the fee was “confirm LEFT 105”, because they would have been thinking ‘that’s a full orbit over the field and they didn’t say anything about that’. Hence the double check.
There may have been nothing wrong other than an initial minor mistake to the right after departure, a misunderstanding of a 005 heading, then through 105 when told ‘left 105’.
These things happen. Reports are (or should be) filed, and it’s looked into by both parties to better understand the events.
No big deal. Calmly handled by ATC. No conflict. Just a couple of errors on both parts.
That's what I thought, but the video is clearly off based on the conversation. 105 was never left of their heading, and wheen he showed them going north, they were going northeast. I think bad editing.
So if she is on the radio who was operating the autopilot?
CRJ searching for Malaysia 370.
It's an embarrassing way to show that you don't know you're left from your right😂
Wtf 🤦♂️. 5002 pilot validating the stereotype
A DEI hire.
There was a complete lack of communication in that cockpit. I have a 20 spot that says the PF was pulling a “big swinging dich” moment. I’d love to read that ASAP report.
I was waiting for, "Endeavor 5002, possible pilot deviation..." They were SO far off course I'm amazed they didn't get violated.
There's a whiskey compass in this thing. Just the most bizarre conduct I have seen in a while. They have to make a slight leftward adjustment of their course after takeoff and instead they turn all the way around to North and it looked like they were going to make a left turn all the way around 300° to their assigned heading. Just crazy.
There is a little moving dial called compass and also that bright shiny thing that rises in the East and sets in the West - 105 is nearly due east!! (or 90)... SMH
WOW!!!
“Following the Magenta line” flying…maybe….I’m clueless on this one. Never got close to HDG 105….kinda spooky.
Do people not know that shes Pilot Monitoring? Like there is another pilot who is not making the radio calls who is not doing the turn. Stop saying its just her
And given that she does sound pretty young and maybe even inexperienced, it's safe to say that there is someone senior to her sitting in the left seat, and actually flying the plane.
@@ChrisCooper312 Even an inexperienced pilot should know how to properly read the heading.
@@UnrealNarcissist I mean maybe? but maybe we should be focusing on the person who didnt turn the airplane. Id rather someone fuck up the radio call but we nail the 105 heading haha
@@user-zq5jx8iw9z it’s not just her but really she is incompetent not monitoring
Wow so so weird that the controllers never asked why they were not following instructions and just guessed they had
a problem . On the other side is good to see how chill they are. In Europe for something like this controllers would have been totally freaked out , in Germany for example .. anyway they really should have given a phone number to understand why the pilots acknowledged the instructions without following them ..
Those Germans are freaky anyway...as we all know.
Geomagnetic storm caused IRSs to fail and magnetic compass to misread so they couldn't hold a heading?
Interesting all the comments about how bad of a pilot she is...typically, pilot monitoring will be on the radio, while PIC flies the aircraft, however, it would help explain task overload if she was both PIC and on the radio, in which case shame on the pilot monitoring for not helping out. Hard to know without being in the cockpit. Obvi some serious confusion with what the airplane was doing vs instructions from ATC given she readback the heading a couple times before asking to verify. Appreciate the comment about the controller needing to verify indicated heading with the pilot, would have helped clear up some confusion. Either way, good job on the controller to maintain separation with approaching aircraft in a busy airspace and thankful everyone kept a cool head.
You are correct. Two pilots had to mess up in order for this to happen. The pilot on the radio is almost certainly the PM, while the other pilot is flying. The only time the pilot flying handles the radio is during an emergency when the PM runs the appropriate emergency checklist. If there was something wrong with their instruments, they should have said as much. My mind is boggled as to how this happened.
poor CRM, poor knowledge of aircraft instruments, poor knowledge of aircraft system
they are lucky that the airport is not surrounded by mountains and/or they are not in a non-English speaking country.
If that was a 172, you'd have gotten a number after the 12th time ATC told you to turn 105. I really feel like she had 005 on her mind. I did this once in class C so I can't judge. ATC caught it pretty quick and got me straight, so who am I to criticize.
To think this "kid" is flying passengers scares the living heck out of me. I'm not a pilot, but 5 min of watching youtube, I would know how to dial in a heading fairly easily. She would have been bawling her eyes out if she did this with NY ATC
Why didn’t ATC give them a divination. Not doing their job either.
Endeavor 5002 seemed to be working on her instrument rating !
Anyone else hear "situation normal" in Han Solo's voice in their head at the end?
Amazing actions. Where was her brain? Where is the deviation report?
Controller should have said fly EAST NOW….and then make some adjustments……plus a frequency change with an area code in front of it!
this is like the next generation Air China 981
Cockpit conversation just prior to take off: "I'll bet you $100 I can fly over my grandma's house and won't get in trouble for it...TeeHee!!"
Aircraft way ahead of flight crew. Need more sim time.
Making a mistake by setting heading 010 or 005 is okay ( everyone makes mistake), but it is not okay that she did not make correction as instructed again and again.
My first lesson was in a Cessna. This person uses a CRJ
And now you know why these new entitled Incapable pilots scare me
At what point do you have them intercepted and escorted back to Minneapolis? That crew clearly was not in command of their aircraft.
HOLY SHIT DUDE --- This is what you get when you hire ATP robot students as your Capt & FOs for 60K a year. Never seen 121 perform like this in 35 years
What is ATP?
If you take the autopilot out of the equation, is there any way to manually fly the plane & check the navigation? I have to imagine if ATC keeps telling you that you're way off, you'd want to some checks. I also agree that she sounded young and inexperienced. Her readbacks a) were sometimes wrong b) she didn't acknowledge anything such as "i notice you keep telling me i'm way off my course but my equipment is telling me i'm flying at a heading of 105"...(i'm just a fan of the channel, i'm not a pilot)
Yes of course we can manually fly the plane. But that wasn't needed here. They just needed to engage heading mode and select heading 105. Very simple.
The fact that she's the one speaking on the radio means she is NOT the one who was flying. The other pilot was flying. Nonetheless it's still her responsibility as the pilot monitoring to make sure that the pilot flying is following ATC's instructions. Both her and the pilot flying failed in this scenario.
They clearly didn't follow instructions while not giving a valid reason as to why they were unable to follow the clearance.
Yeah, every commercial jet has multiple compasses, and you can just turn. That’s what you’re a pilot for.
Yes! And every instrument rated pilot is trained to recognise and handle instrument failures. This was inexcusable!
Minnesota Nice 😂
OK, so I have no flight experience from either side, so I might knot know what I'm talking about.... Wouldn't it be normal for ATC to call out that the flight has not complied with instructions? They keep repeating the same instruction, and while some here feel that the pilots should take this as some sort of indication that something is wrong, I don't see that there should be a reliance on that. Probably there was pilot error and they thought they were flying 105, or an instrument error said they were on 105. In any case, confirmation bias probably comes into play here. Shouldn't ATC call them out on the incorrect heading explicitly?
Scary...
So they basically made a U-turn, 180 degrees off course, headed directly towards downtown Minneapolis, and military jets weren't scrambled?
Why would military jets be scrambled? Is there an SFRA over downtown Minneapolis? Was there a VIP TFR that day?
No way she is a real pilot......deviation has arrived
The Endeavor bring your kid to work day.
I think they wanted her to turn to heading 105....he should have repeated it for her again...god help us all
LOL
What sad is we have to fly with them as pilots.
She poured vodka in her cereal that morning.
So what happened here? Did they get a number? Did they go back to flight school? Something had to come of this.
They told her to turn left with a heading of 105 I believe twice, then they told her to turn right with a heading of 105. Were those mistakes by the controller, or am I just not understanding correctly?
When they took off, they were going on a 140 heading, turning left would be the closest to the 105 heading. But instead what they did is turn all the way past 105, so in order to get back to the requested heading (after missing it) they'd need to turn right to correct for it.
Thanks for helping me understand.
Shes flying 1:05 on an analog clock.
ATC: We're still waiting for you to turn proper heading. Also, your squawk code was 7295, not 7500
The number of armchair airline pilots commenting on this who don't understand something as simple as the concept that the pilot flying isn't the one on the radios is hilarious.
Somehow, you all are qualified to chalk this up to hiring practices all while you aren't educated enough to understand some of the most basic concepts of CRM in the industry.
It's a bunch of misogynistic creeps, you can just see the insecurities of their manhood screaming in the ridiculousness of their comments. This coming from a 50 year old white male, who has been in this business for 30 years.
U TV mad bro?
Outright incompetence from Endeavor 5002. At least they knew how to level out at 7,000’.
I don’t get it. Is this her first day flying…? She’s spaced out on the radios.
I don't understand why they were so easy on this pilot, for her never stating a reason why she wasn't complying or turning the proper heading while they continued to fly into the direction of oncoming traffic is ridiculous. Just flying one of our Cessna's out of our local Class C here I would have at least quickly gotten the "so and so, what does your heading indicator say??!!" as a firm reminder....
Novice in aviation here. Something about this seems terribly wrong. What is going on?
When they give a MSFS squeaker a regional jet….
What the hell is going on up there?!
Probably an Embry Riddle graduate
She didn't sound very confident
No number to call???
incredibly poor CRM
Why no “I have a phone number for you to contact?”
Pilot deviations use to play no favorites.
For want of a wet compass
😂, so very happy my azz stays on the ground
Will it make her YT channel?
Diversity hiring policies at work
Sounds like a squentialist -- cannot climb and turn at the same time.
Or maybe she can't hold a course while climbing and can't climb while holding a course.