E169 - Terry Francona Ejected Because Replay is Dumb & Overturns Umpire's CORRECT Safe Call
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- HP Umpire Bruce Dreckman ejected Guardians manager Terry Francona for arguing a Replay Review decision that overturned 3B Umpire Malachi Moore's safe call at second base to an out. And so once more it all comes down to baseball throwing common sense out the window. Report: www.closecallsports.com/2023/...
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Guardians batter-runner Brayan Rocchio slid in safely trying for a lead-off double in the 4th inning, but his hand was knocked off base by White Sox shortstop Tim Anderson who came in well after the slide to chop the runner's arm and hand off the base. Moore called the runner safe and White Sox manager Pedro Grifol challenged the call.
Despite video clearly showing the fielder pushed the runner off the base, Replay Review nonetheless overturned the call to an out, ruling that because Moore TECHNICALLY didn't call a push off and instead called the runner safe on its own merits, that Moore's safe call was TECHNICALLY incorrect, and thus, to be technically correct, it would have to be overturned.
Baseball is so stupid these days. - Sport
When replay can't get the outcome correct because an umpire got the outcome correct but used the wrong mechanic, something is really wrong with baseball.
You are exactly correct. It all came down to the mechanic, which is absurd.
Yes, something that there is a single example of in the several years they've been using replay definitely means something is "really wrong". Sure, sure.
Umpires miss ball and strike calls EVERY SINGLE GAME that result in outs that should not be outs, and vice-versa. But yeah, this one single example shows there's something really wrong with baseball for using replay.
The umpire made the wrong call. The call should not have been safe, it should have been called a push-off. And since the push-off rule specifically gives the umpire DISCRETION to make the determination, it would not have been reviewable.
So the umpire did, in fact, fuck up. It's not replay, it's the umpire.
This is going to lead to a lot more infielders intentionally pushing runners off of bases. What do they have to lose?
That will ultimately lead to more umpires explicitly calling baserunners safe for violations of the rule which then prevents the defensive manager from appealing the original out/safe call on close plays.
If the White Sox challenged the play primarily because the ump hadn't given the 'forced off the base' signal, that's pretty smart. Cheap/dirty, maybe. But smart.
@@danielj6880 Why does there need to be a signal for the rule to be enforced? It's a ridiculous decision.
@@bigpoppa1234I can see the logic. It's similar to how in the NFL, replay can't judge discretion calls. The rulebook thinks that the ump standing there is better equipped to tell whether there was a push-off than a slow-mo replay is. The issue is that the ump failed to make that call, which leads to this absurd failure of a result.
@@bigpoppa1234 Because a push off is a 'judgement' call, and those can only be made on the field, and since it was not called a pushoff on field, they can not use it in replay.
Replay should not be able to omit or discard parts of the rulebook to make a judgement on an official's ruling. This is absolutely absurd.
From what I understand, since the Umpire did not signal pushoff (which is an umpire opinion), so they can not use that rule in replay.
The idea is that they (rightly imo) don't want replay to use 100 slow-mo angles to look frame by frame and try and find a push-off, so the rule is to leave judging push-off for the live ump and let replay go frame by frame on tag/no-tag. Which is fine most of the time but breaks down completely like this when the ump blows an obvious push-off call.
@@Math.BanditYa this is 100% on the ump for not calling that. I assume he saw the runner as safe regardless of the push-off so didn’t use that reasoning.
@@ingiford175 i can't even find what an umpire pushoff signal looks like... would it be like a shoving motion with both hands? or the same sign as obstruction, just pointing at the offending player? I know when a runner comes off the bag, it's a little swipe left or right with both hands, but pushoff?
@@tinkutocquevilleSame mechanic: sweep the arms.
Reminds me of what the guy who trained me says. “Sometimes calling it by the book can ruin the game.”
Thank you. Just wow. What a mistake. Umpires take a lot of heat on missed calls. Here he has it right and review over turns it. It’s almost like they want the controversy.
: the whole point is that the umpire didn't get it right. He was supposed to signal safe due to the fielder's push. He didn't. Chaos ensued.
@@reign69heirit’s a blown call and an umpire error. Or perhaps an incomplete call. Safe signal has to be followed by a dynamic push off signal. Malachi will learn from his mistake.
@@rayray4192 Malachi wasn't the one who made the mistake.
@@priceright8963 Malachi has made errors as a triple A umpire. He’s one of the best umpires on planet earth, but I saw him kick the shit out of a call at home plate last year from row 1 at the plate. . Umpires learn by making errors. The safe signal Malachi signaled must be immediately followed by an explanation signal why the runner is safe. He’s safe because he was pushed off second base. A dynamic demonstrative explanation signal communicates why the runner is safe, and would have possibly shut down all the bullshit. It’s a blown call. It happens. He will never not signal again. Lesson learned.
@@priceright8963 Whichever ump is it that made the safe call is the one that blew this.
So now what? Everyone just start pushing runners off their bases? Who cares WHY they're off the bag, just GET THEM OFF THE BAG.
If they do, maybe umpires will start making the correct call. All the ump had to do was call a push-off, and none of this would have happened. So if umps just do their jobs, pushing players off the base will result in nothing. Except maybe the umps warning the teams to knock it the fuck off.
So,what we are saying is, every fielder should pull the baserunner off the base. If the ump doesn't call it easy challenge. Super fun sport...with no pads
What. The. Hell.
The NYC review crew is a crew of MLB umpires. Zero umpire anywhere, at any level, would watch this play in slow-mo and say "You know what? I think I missed that one." How.....THE......HELL......does this get overturned to an out?
Someone had the under on Draft kings, thats how.
It’s not the umpires’ fault. It’s not the replay umpires’ fault. It is the fault of MLB and how they have written their rulebook. The OBR rulebook is VERY specific about what can be reviewed and how it can be reviewed. There should be a nuance for this and…there is not so, the replay umpires MUST call this as it is written.
@1969EType yes. And on the way home from the ballpark 10,000 fans got speeding tickets for driving 5 mph over the speed limit.
@@michaelwankewycz6209 The law says they are speeding. I’ve gotten pulled over, cited, went before the judge with a perfect driving record…and got fined. Umpires have judgement, too…but not when the rulebook restricts them from using their judgement. That’s Lindsay’s point…there is not enough common sense in the rules and the umpires’ collective hands are tied. It’s wrong. It’s a problem. I don’t like it anymore than you do. But, the umpires are not the blame. If they don’t call this the way the book tells them to? They don’t work for MLB anymore.
Because the second-based umpire DID NOT CALL A PUSH-OFF. He just called safe. The runner was clearly tagged when he was off the base. The umpire had DISCRETION to nullify the out and keep the runner on second by calling a push-off. But he failed to do that. If he had just done that, which would have been the proper call, then the review couldn't happen. Because of his simple safe call, it can be challenged because the runner was tagged while off the base.
This nonsense has to come to an end! MLB is hanging their umpires out to dry for NO reason with these insane video over-rulings.
This is what happens the Rules Committee appointed by Manfred has 5 Owners, 3 MLBPA reps, and 1 Umpire rep to give himself unilateral control over the rule changes.
@@UncleVatred hmmmmm. I would think it's more that it seems like 5 people are in that place in New York that is Replay. They aren't baseball players but seem to be some fans on some teams how they make their calls. Baseball needs a complete reworking, along with an automatic strike zone.
@@piratescove4 The replay officials called this play by the replay rules. They did their jobs correctly. The problem is the rulebook which forces them to call the runner out
@@catman-du8927 I assure you there are many more problems than just the stupid rule book.
@@piratescove4 For this play it is the rulebook. Also the people in the replay center are normal umpires that cycle through. Replay center one week, Reds at Brewers the next.
I had to listed to the explanation twice before I got the crazed "logic". I thought the New York replay booth was supposed to get rid of all the bad umpiring calls. Instead it has concentrated them in to one place.
Worse - they've CREATED absurd calls.
Aaand this play significantly contributed to José Ramírez and Tim Anderson coming to blows at second base tonight. Good job, everyone!
- Put replay in place cause umpires occasionally get it wrong
- Umpire gets it right
- Use replay to get it wrong cause the umpire didn't get it right enough
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Umpire did not get it right. He should have called a push-off. He did not. He just called safe. That was a mistake on his part. If he had made the proper call it could not have even been reviewed.
HEAVY pro-umpire bias on this channel. Or perhaps just a lack of understanding.
“Why are you making chocolate pudding?”
“Because I’ve lost control of my life”
This enforces the idea that, in the age of “let’s see what the betting line is at this point in the game,” that these games are fixed.
LOL. It does nothing of the sort. This is a ridiculous comment.
Luckily this didn't matter in the end but something stupid like this is going to cost someone an important game late this season.
I know MLB doesn't allow protests anymore because the replay official in New York can interpret the rulebook in real time, but if the replay official in New York doesn't actually follow the damn thing, what's the bloody point?
Going through the comments leads me to believe that only a few actually know why the play is reviewable. CCS should explain this better.
Because MM did not signal that the runner was forced off, replay cannot rule on that aspect of the play. Replay can only rule if the runner came off of the bag, which he did.
This play is more about a missed mechanic rather than overturning the tag attempt. Tito understands that MM failed to signal his runner was forced off which is why this was overturned.
We can’t get into the “technically correct” because then any overslide could be argued in replay that the tag forced a runner off the bag. That’s why replay is not allowed to rule on it.
Again, this is why as an umpire we MUST use the mechanics that we have, so replay can do what they need to do.
Great learning lesson
Going through your comment leads me to believe you dont understand whats happening t all.
@@trevoravery9270 No, he's exactly right.
Moore just signaled "safe." If he had signaled that he was safe due to a push-off, the play wouldn't have been reviewable. Because the push-off wasn't called on the field, the play was reviewable and replay called the runner out as he was tagged while off the base.
Nice to see Kent Hrbek teaching shady and illegal infield defense from the shadows. This is horrendous!
@@cufflink9558 1991 WS G2. Hrbek lifts Gant off the bag, blatantly, almost picking him up over his shoulders. Gant gets called out. /watch?v=MiraekmCNv4
Ron Gant was clearly out. 😁
@@cufflink9558go watch highlights of the 1991 World Series. He was a cheater.
That was my first thought when watching this.
Why are the rules set up to limit the umpires' review of a replay? The replay officials should have the entire rulebook at their disposal to make a call. I understand that some judgement calls cannot be applied retroactively, but this doesn't make sense and needs to be fixed with a broad expansion to what the replay is reviewing and what they can call during that replay review. Replay review was added to get calls right, this accomplished the opposite just because the ump on the field missed a call (pushing the runner off) and replay reversed the correct outcome that was called on the field.
I think the umpire didn't miss it, he just cut to the chase and said no you pushed him off he is safe.
The current replay rules do not allow judgement calls to be reviewed other than in exceptionally specific circumstances like the catcher blocking home plate rules. Otherwise, the stuff that can be reviewed is factual (tag or no tag, touch base or no base, fair or foul, home run or double) and never judgement calls (out of baseline, any kind of interference or obstruction, etc)
This is totally insane. It encourages ALL defenders to do this EXACT thing in the same situation, every single time. Why? Because if the ump does the same thing he did here and calls them safe, it's a guaranteed out when the defending team challenges it. It's something that encourages the defender to at least try because THE ONLY way to guarantee that the runner is safe is for the ump to SPECIFICALLY make the call that the runner was forced off.
So if a defender does this and pushes the runner off and the ump incorrectly calls the runner out (despite being forced off), then the runner is out and there is NOTHING his team can do about it, because you can't challenge being forced off. If a defender does this and pushes the runner off and the ump signals "safe" (like what happened in this situation), then the defender's team can just challenge the call and they will ALWAYS win...because, again, you can't challenge whether or not the runner was forced off the base.
So the one and only option is that an ump MUST call the runner safe AND MUST call right there on the field that the defender forced the runner off. Otherwise, the defender is guaranteed to win every single time. So this BS rule actually ENCOURAGES abuse. It ENCOURAGES defenders to push runners off because an ump MUST see the force off AND CALL IT in real time, otherwise the defending team is guaranteed to "win" and the batting/running team is guaranteed to "lose".
This was a fantastic analysis. Baseball just can’t get out of its way in the modern era under Manfred. We used to say the game would take care of itself regarding the changes. I wonder if that is still the case. Expect more umpires to retire this year as the silliness continues
Terrible analysis. The umpire at second MADE THE WRONG CALL. He should have called the push-off rule, which is based on umpire's discretion and is therefore NOT REVIEWABLE. But instead he just called him safe, which is the wrong call, and it what allowed the review to happen in the first place.
It's comical. The fact that this was challenged is even worse.
typical White Sox bs
Funny thing is it may have played a role in the brawl the night after too. Absolutely nuts.
Give Jason Benetti of the White Sox cast huge credit for rooting out the correct rules citation by the 6th inning.
Something New York failed to do.
That's ridiculous. What happened to rule #1 of umpiring being "Get the call right." To overturn on the technicality that the umpire called him safe rather than invoking the push off the base rule is absurd.
My question is why does it look like U2 is running to cover 3rd base?
Great video. Thank you for the accurate, understandable explanation. Keep it up!
I still love your videos. They help me become a better umpire.
Any adult human being who was put into the role of that umpire and never read the rule book.....and saw the replay....should be able to get that call right.
And strangely enough, the Ump did call it right.
@@ChiefBerry He did not. The right call would have been a push-off. He just called him safe. That was the wrong call. If he had called push-off then the play could not have been reviewed since it's discretionary.
Well, as Lindsay said at 0:21: “Spoiler, it’s about to get worse for the Guardians who lost 5 of their last 6.”
Timestamps:
⏺️ 3:49: A very angry Terry Francona dares to get tossed from the game.
⏺️ 3:54: Terry - “WELL I DON’T GIVE A ****!” Angrily waves off the HP umpire Bruce Dreckman.
⏺️ 3:56: And, right on cue, Tito got his wish. He’s ejected.
⏺️ 4:00: Guardians Broadcast - "He's gonna get his money's worth now." Mario coin tune please 😂🤣😂🤣, Lindsay? Thank you.
My Thoughts:
⏺️ It’s completely understandable that Terry Francona is irate. My guess is that someone at the MLB replay center in suburban NYC really messed up & probably on purpose. And, for what? This is gonna question more about the relevancy of this sport if nonsense like this continues. Stay tuned y'all...
The mess up was that the call on the field was a safe call, not a force off base and therefore safe call. The second is a 'judgement' and can not be added by review. So review only determines if the runner was off base at any time while being tagged and can not consider a force off because that is only available for those umps on the field.
@@ingiford175 Good point.
I understood the oversight last time, thinking that no one saw that coming with the way they constructed the rule. But to not fix the rule and let it happen again just gives players the motivation to keep doing this and getting away with it. This seems like one giant test season for MLB... figuring things out they should have worked out in the minors, Spring Training, Atlantic League, etc.
So the replay team is not able to take pushed off the base into account if the umpire does not signal it? What amount of discussion can the crew chief have with the replay team?
“Technically correct, the best type of correct!”
There either needs to be a change in mechanics on the umpires to call it before making the safe call (similar to how they do for off the base defenders), or put in the rule book that the replay room can call it. It doesn't happen too often, but it's a cheap way of getting an out and shouldn't be allowed to happen.
And José Ramírez TKO's Anderson at second base tonight for doing another dumb thing standing over the top of him when he slid into second.
If Tim Anderson does his dirty work again, someone should knock out him once more since the stupid umpires do nothing.
Just like what happened to the Jays in Seattle. Jays player slides home safely. After review he's called out. It wasn't even close. Its been over a year and I haven't forgotten!!
I may be wrong, but I don't think this is the first time something like this has happened with 506a1 and replay recently. A replay rule update is needed to keep this from happening - my suggestion would be by making any play where there is a potential push of the runner off the base and automatic "call stands". Or perhaps more broadly, if part of the play is outside the scope of replay, then the entire play should be outside the scope of replay.
I do think this needs to be changed officially and would be concerned if the replay room starting making calls that were common sense but outside the actual replay rules.
What they should do is make a rule that says that if a play is overturned on review, any judgement call that would be necessary under the new result that was not required under the old one and therefore not made by the umpire shall be made by the replay official
This isnt the only situation where we see this interaction, where a judgment call is irrelevant under the call the umpire made, so they make no ruling, but if reversed, the judgement is now automatically 'no', even though the umpire had no need to call that part of the play
A good example of this might be a scenario where you have a runner's lane interference violation by the runner, but he still ends up out. (ball hits his shoulder and 1b can still catch it, for instance). But replay shows that 1bs foot came off the bag, so now the runner is safe - but the runner also committed RLI, which didn't get called because he was already out, and can't be reviewed. RLI isn't usually reviewable, but such a rule would make it reviewable in this situation, where it became a relevant judgement because of the overturned call.
There are a lot of weird corner cases like this that come up rarely - once a season or less - and could all be fixed with that simple tweak.
Personally, I would also be for changing the base safe rules to one where once a guy's body has come above or even with the base he's sliding into, he can't be put out for momentarily coming disconnected, all of these 'hold the glove on him in case for a split second he's not touching the base' challenges suck and aren't a good addition to the game. It's one thing if the guy is sliding into the bag and his foot brushes it and comes off and he's then tagged before the rest of his body reaches the base - he didn't really ever gain the base in that situation. But the ones where guys are stopped or momentarily lose contact on a pop-up slide or the like and are out due to something that can only ever be located on replay should simply be eliminated through a rule change.
Thanks for pointing out what I thought looked odd, another umpire running to what appeared to be 3rd base. I couldn’t figure out where he was rotating to. I presume he had fly ball coverage. In which case, he just stays out. Maybe a blown coverage somewhere that I didn’t pick up
1000% agree with everything you're saying here. I do have 1 offshoot question though. Should Moore not have called a push off and put him on the base at the time? I agree that he shouldn't have had to and that replay should have just let it be, even if it might possibly be within the terrible replay rules. But, am I hearing you correctly that if he did, it's a judgement call and they wouldn't have been able to review the judgement part? Just wondering if, for now until they rewrite the replay rules, umpires should be more explicit in their calls.
In a perfect world, yes. It would appear Moore simply didn’t see the push off or at least didn’t signal it. So assuming he didn’t see the push off, the safe call he makes is correct just for a technically incorrect reason. And that’s why replay overturned it.
that's the problem with replay.
In this case, the umpire should have been able to overrule the replay because the rule states, "if in the judgement of the umpire..."
Judgement is not a reviewable call.
Remember when we were told (for the past few decades) that if we only had instant replay review it would "take care of all those terrible umpire calls"? Yeahhhh.....
What’s missing is that the crew at the game needs to have a lengthy conversation with the replay crew in NYC. Then the replay crew knows the 2B umpire used the wrong mechanic but meant to rule the runner was pushed off the bag. Or they can at least remind the 2B umpire that the runner might have been pushed off. The NFL does this, why can’t the MLB?
Yeah, we had a lousy ruling in the Mariners-Angels game on a botched catcher interference call, too.
My question is can the ump go back after the replay and overturn it with the push off signal. Since pushing a runner of the bag is not reviewable. Because technically in the rule book it says that they can overturn a call on the field, just wondering if they could with replay.
Anyone, please tell me the correct hand/arm motion of the second base umpire to call a push off by the infielder at the time of the tag. Prior to the replay in New York, ask the umpire why his call was “safe”.
I think in relative real time we heard you slowly descend into madness while explaining how moronic all this was. Just...lord, help me, I feel like the NFL is going to look at this and go "Hold my beer" when it comes time for its stupid replays.
Perhap there should be a umpire mechanic that identifies the "forced off the base violation", then allows for the correct interpretation on field of awarding the runner the base. Kinda like the award for type B obstruction, after the obs has been called and an out is called.
There is. That was the problem here. The umpire just gave the standard safe call and did not indicate that the fielder forced the runner off the base. That's why it's allowed to go to replay in the first place, and why when it does go to replay it's purely a matter of whether the runner was tagged while off the base.
I get whey the result of the replay is frustrating. But the fault here lies with the umpire. He watched the runner forced off the base clear as day and knew full well the runner was absolutely tagged while off the base. He knows full well that if he doesn't indicate the force off there that the runner will be ruled out if it goes to replay. He needs to make the indication for a force off which would have prevented this from happening.
@@Rowgue51
Ya, the umpire was correct and wrong on this play. This falls under the failure to communicate banner. Umpire should have called safe then time and gave a verbal "runner stays here" while pointing at the the base.
Kent Hrbek and Ron Gant in the World Series in 1991....seems like they'd figure out how to make the right call by now. Guess not.
Tim got his leftovers from this....Yum Yum!
It honestly is just as you said. No room for logic in this game. I can only imagine how upsetting would be in person to see your team hit such a nasty head and be able to get a double off it and then get called out like that.
The mechanic I was always taught was to make the normal safe call. Then make another safe signal saying "still safe" or a push signal then another safe signal. Something to recognize that something happened after the original play happened.
Isn’t there 2 way communication on the head sets? Couldn’t the forced off the bag have been part of the discussion?
No, because it was not signaled.
Wait... the Guardians wound up winning? I didn't see that coming.
Great video + Breakdown!
Let me get this straight. Since pushed off base is a judgement call and wasn't called by Moore, it couldn't be considered by replay because judgement calls aren't reviewable. So, technically the Sox were really savvy to challenge on this play. This is the second time I've seen them be really savvy about the rules of replay, as they challenged and got overturned a controversial call at home earlier in the year. Interesting...
There is NOTHING savvy about having replay officials make their rulings based on the bets they have at Draft Kings.
CNN's Jake Tapper has the best description of this video replay decision, "That was a hot mess, inside a dumpster fire, inside a train wreck!"
Just out of curiosity, why isn't being pushed off the base (or a no-call) not reviewable? The end result is replay made a call on a technicality and left the umpires on the field to deal with the mess it created. If for no other reason, if being pushed off the base is reviewable. Grifol would probably still challenge the safe call, and in response, Francona would challenge being pushed off the base. Both challenges would be successful so nobody would lose their challenge, but the runner gets to stay on second base. Instead, this is the result. If nothing else, it makes me wonder: what goes on in the rules committee meetings. Hopefully they will make some changes for next year so that this doesn't happen again.
And two other problems:
1) He's grasping the corner of the bag with the ump looking right at the push-off.
and 2) Malachi, he's right -- since you didn't call the push-off, the replay wiped out the call completely. THAT is what he wanted to "get right".
you cant seriously tell me Malachi thought they would overturn this, he did "get it right"
@@tw1nn319 No, hence his reaction. Didn't change that Fucking Francona was right.
@@michaelfalkner1186 so wtf do you want him to do!? he called him safe!
@@tw1nn319you should signal pushed off the base if applicable.
@@mbdg6810 he didnt think he had to bc he didn't think the dumbass in the replay booth would call him out if he didn't. You know he will in the future because of this though
Yep, just HAVE to have replay so we get EVERY call right. Because that's the goal, right 25-40 year olds? Just frosts me to no end when I hear the people screaming for roboumps when not even cameras and slo-mo replays can make 100% perfection. And we wonder why we have so many problems with vicious unsporting actions at the lower levels by both the parents and the coaches.
Would the correct mechanic have been to point and acknowledge the push off base then call SAFE?
Can the other team challenge the out call? Or could they challenge the 'safe, no force off call'?
So he was supposed to call "out" then say it was a push-off and return him to the base? Also, why is the centerfielder squatting with his back to the play while the tag is happening?
Yeah, wondered about the center fielder, too ( 1:03 ). I don't think he's supposed to signal 'out', I think the mechanics should've been to 'award' the base to the runner by pointing to the base and announcing that the runner gets the base due to being forced off.
Absolutely inconceivable that review calls this kind of play from the second baseman an out. As you so eloquently stated, the baserunner has come to a halt, may even have his foot hooked to the base, whilst his hand is being shoved off. In all cases that should have led review to decide this action is from the second baseman is illegal. Hence the whitesox should have also lost their right to review. Cheerio
Bush League Tim got exactly what he deserved tonight. That knockout was clean. Jose threw one punch and knocked him out.
“Makes the face I made when I first heard this…” 👏 👏 👏 😂
Question: per the rule, why didn't the umpire reinstate the runner to the base after the replay called him out?
replay is final decision
That rugrats clip was from the episode Angelica broke her leg...why i remember that i do not know
Umpire should have made ruling after the fact. Is there a time duration, I thought it was until next pitch?
Could Francona make a challenge of the force off, was it past some expiration period, or is it that since the play is challenged once it can't be challenged again even for a different part of the same play? If the latter is the case, wouldn't it make sense for the whole play to be scrutinized instead of just the specific item challenged? It's absurd that replay rules made, allow that much time to be taken to review, but for only a small snippet of a play to be looked at. I think they need to make some major edits to the replay rules.
So now you are allowed to just knock a guy off a base and tag him out. Nice job. I can see where this is going.
Bottom line - Malachi Moore was sloppy and messed up (by not signaling that the runner was pushed off) but didn't want to man up to it
Was the runner’s right foot on the base when the hand was pushed off?
Why didn't the umpires on the field use 5.06(a)(1) "to return the runner to the base they were forced off following the conclusion of the play" after replay called the runner out?
Replay’s decisions are final and can’t be changed afterward for any reason
that rule you stated is not in the official MLB rulebook....just putting that out there
This is the kind of mind boggling replay overturn that is insane. Sure, coach the ump on field they should have called the safe call differently. But to say he wasn't safe after being able to scrutinize it in slow mo is CRAZY! And this isn't the first time. What happened to giving some deference to ump on the field unless CLEAR ERROR! It feels like they have an attorney up their in New York. And this isn't the only time this has happened!
Bet it cost him a punch to the face 😂
I understand why replay would overturn this call, if a robot was in the replay booth because a robot doesn't understand a push-off play.
Lost for words at this. Next week: Runner out by a mile, but safe on review because the ump was too casual giving the "out" signal. 🤪
This directly led to Tim Anderson getting knocked out.
It’s okay he took a tomahawk to the face not too long after 😂
I want to see JomBoy do a breakdown on this ejection
This is what got Jose Ramirez angry lmao
Partly. I think Anderson said something to another Guardians rookie such that an umpire told him to knock it off.
Finally someone said it. This is what started the fight last night. Gotta protect the rookies
Are we going to see more push-offs now?
It looks like Wegner (crew chief) is the only one communicating with the replay center. Shouldn't Moore be part of the discussion? Wegner may not have known that a push off was involved, but Moore would have said something, if he had been on the call.
And you wonder why Rameriz was pissed at Anderson... know we know...
If I was an infielder, I would intentionally push the next runner off the base, tag him,, and roll the dice on whether replay calls the runner out.
Could pushoff plays be made unreviewable? Since it’s a judgement call at the end of the day?
That's the issue though, it's not. Technically they didn't review if he was pushed off, they reviewed if he had been tagged off of the base, which he was, no why he was.
@@duelist301 Exactly. This is why replay is broken.
This ia ridiculous, isn't there an actual umpire in NY that reviews this? How could he possibly screw that up? Smh Also, tim anderson proves once again he's just a horrible person.
The problem is that judgment calls (or lack of them) are simply not allowed to be reviewed, so this has to be called live by the base umpire, and all the replay can do is determine whether the guy came off the bag. They can't "overrule" his choice not to rule this was a push-off, because all judgment calls are unreviewable.
The calling umpire should be able to talk to NY and discuss the call.
Wow! WTF! He should've grabbed second base and left
I'm confused. Isn't replay done by an umpire? How would there be any reperucussions for that review umpire if they let the call stand?
Hopefully the office dosent count this as an overturned against Malachi
Since he didn't call "pushed off base" he did technically miss the call.
@@PapaVanTwee5 No he didn't
i wouldve liked to hear the umpires conversation with new york...
I would think the officials that are reviewing it are also or were umpires? Also can’t they talk to the umpires on the field as well? This is ridiculous
At least we won this game
New York must love putting its umpires in lose-lose situations. There are no words for this call being overturned.
What the actual heck is replay in New York doing?? They need to let the umpire have the final ruling after video review gives their opinion. So many mistakes this year.
He seems to be on a roll with ejections 😂
Finally, an ejection where the manager/player is NOT being a Karen.
I love Tito !!!
So is the problem that replay can't review whether the runner was pushed off the bag? Or did they watch that in New York and actually determine that Anderson didn't do anything wrong?
No, New York can't review if he was pushed off. That's on the field umpire to decide and signal.
This is a rough look for mlb