I’m the John he is speaking about. I had two friends about a week apart that changed their bars and really had a time with the throttle assembly working after the installation of their bars. They damaged the wires.
Minus the hard angle bars, I have done 4...well, all the bikes I have owned as I am a big guy and short forward handlebars are uncomfortable to me. 2 were all outside and 2 were inside. Very simple, very easy...to me. I am not a mechanic but have custom built computers and such and with the proper pin punch type tools and like he said write it down or even take a picture and it all just goes back like it should. BTW, don't by cheap sh*t bars. I know people that have shredded their wires against all kinds of sharp slag or punches/holes and whatever inside the bars and couldn't figure out the errors or malfunctions they started having. Great videos...just started watching yours.
I’ve got a ‘23 Breakout. I’m keeping my stock bars but I will be taking them off to be powder coated so I’ll have to go through this process of fishing wires. Thanks for all the helpful videos Doc
No easy task, but I’m sure with patience and attention to detail it can be do able. The 2019 setup is the answer. Better late than never MoCo. Thanks for another good informative video Mike.
hey doc I have a quick question I have a 2015 Road Glide Special Im having problems figuring out why my fuel and voltage gauges are not and the lights behind the gauges are not working and the blinkers work but when turn on the little green lights dont flash on the dashboard I checked all the fuses and checked all the wires and everything looked good im at a dead end am I missing anything any idea thank you
Going to try the Fused Handlebars tomorrow. I don’t see how those connector are going to fit. I will just have to protect them. It looks like pulling the Throttle Cable, Handlebar Cable (same time) through isn’t going to be an easy feat....
Hello again Doc. I recently installed a set of 14 inch meat hangers on 2021 street bob. Everything is good except that the check engine light came on. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
check for diagnostic codes. They will point you in the right direction. Second follow all wiring and connectors. Most of the time it has to do with throttle...Doc
Hi Doc, I was wondering about the throttle grip twist sensor, I changed it out on my street glide found the 6 pin plug, but I can not find the place for the two black and gray wires plug. Am I able to leave those free or do those need to be connected to something? Thanks in Advance doc
The throttle by wire sensor on my 2020 FXST Softail wears out my wrist because the spring tension is too stiff. What can I do to remediate the situation?
Sorry I do not have a solution for a bike this new. Older bikes I would be suspicious if the throttle assembly. Go to surrounding dealers to se if any have a used 2020 that you could twist the grip. If any are better that could be proof you need a newer throttle assembly in the bars….Doc
Hey Doc! I have a 2014 ultra glide. The newer smaller plugs DO NOT retro fit…. Just what I’ve run into. I’ve wired everything according to the schematic in the manual. And it keeps showing P1512, P2122, P2128. I’m going back to the old style that connect inside the bars. Ugh…
Hi Doc I want to ask you….on FXDR 2019, doni have to remove the fuel tank to get to the cables for handlebar control switches and the electronic throttle cable? Or are the connectors behind the light? I’m gonna replace the handlebar, that’s why i’m asking. Thank you Filip//Sweden
On the new models, aside from the actual harness on the throttle there is a grey wire in the same harness with another 2 prong connection, what is that for? Mine I believe was jus tucked into the frame going to nothing. 2020 Lowrider S
I swapped out my handlebars on 2013 ultra, and now my bike won't start. I found out that when spraying a little starting fluid, not only does bike start, but it revs as if the throttle is all the way open. I suppose I smashed a throttle wire when pulling harness...
Hi mate Nice video, I m doing my handlebar on Harley deluxe 2018 with smaller connector. But when I Cut the wiring to extend I didn’t notice that there are 2 wires of each colour. Now I can tell as it’s been cust . Bit dumb of me. I tried to find wiring diagram to match the wires but no luck. Have you got any idea which side which as on 2018 there are no sleeves on the wire like older models.
No way to post a wiring diagram here. buying an Electrical Diag manual for the wiring schematics would be more expensive than taking it to a dealer and having them repair or identify the wires...Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson hi mate good wires sorted. There are two pairs of red white and black. One is zero and other set is top throttle. Thanks for replying.👍
Doc, I did exactly what you said on my bar change...i got it to go in (quite a struggle) and everything works on the controls, perfectly. Except for the throttle, no response what so ever! check engine light is on and so is something that resembles the cruise control icon. BUT during re-assembly i did by mistake turn on the gas when the fuel line was disconnected....would that have shut off the throttle? (2015 Electra Glide Ultra Classic Low)
No. This would have not set. A connection is not correct. Recheck wire color to wire color on each side of the connectors. Remove and install connector at throttle body. I hop the small connector near throttle grip is still connected.
Wow this is explain soo much ! Thank you , I'm planning to change my handlebar (2009 Electra glide flthcu) question is , I got the original 8" bar & want to change into 12" , can I still using same brakeline & throttle by wire or do I need to extend both ? Many thanks doc 🙏🏼
You are not the first or the last to ask this question. Please contact your Harley-Davidson parts specialist to have them look into the Harley-Davidson fitment guide. Now if you have chosen an aftermarket handlebar, they have a tool that will measure from the brake caliper to the handlebar mounting area. If you are doing this job at home that would not help you. The parts and accessories H-D Catalog is really good about informing customers that a handlebar will need cables and lines. Thanks ~ Doc
Doc, It happen to me! I have the 2011 Ultra Classic Tri-Glide. So, I’m pulling my throttle control wires from the stock bars. The wires pulled apart at connectors inside the bars. I had made me diagram of the plug to the fairing. All colors matched to the fairing plug. Problem is, wires that pull apart on the throttle control is two sets of red, white, and black. One with a yellow sleeve and one with a black sleeve on it. The two wire black and white connector, I’m assuming are for heated hand grips, which were not plugged to anything. What are my options? How do I get out of this mess?
I'm trying to connect fog lights to my 19 fltrxs. The kit I was originally given varying numbers ending 105 or 106 install kit. Problem was the harness didn't have a connector that mated with the switch pack that mounts on the right bank. The kit was swapped for 71400129. I'm right back where I started and not much difference between the original kit I got to what I have now. Seems something is missing. I saw a brief how to video that mentions the left bank on the dash having power capability. At this point the whole dash is all blanks or no switches. Please tell me what i need to do. The lights I have fit perfectly around the road bars. I'm just at a loss at how the harness I have which came with two acc and one blank tie into each other.
I wasn't able to find the 105/106 kit in our system. Harley-Davidson's accessory catalog page 718 says you need a Fog Lamp Wiring Harness 69201109 and Switch Plate 69200172. During installation you will need to access the turn signal connectors inside the fairing.
Doc- After a handlebar change, what would cause my throttle to seemingly feel less responsive? Went from stock to a 12 inch bar with a Z type bend. These bars were installed by a highly recommended company, KST Kustomz. I'm on a 2018 Street Glide and I do not have any codes flashing. I'm still getting use to the feel of the bars. Thanks!
Hey Doc, could we get the part number on the 2019, long wire, twist grip sensor you showed there towards the end of the video. Additionally, (as it's been a year since this video was published) any new information retrofitting the 2019 sensor to earlier model wiring harness (specifically, 2014 ultra limited in my case)? Thanks a million Doc!!
There are several motorcycle builders that specializes in building hand controls for handicap riders. I have not built a thumb control throttle for a Harley-Davidson. Thanks ~ Doc
Swapping handlebars is not very difficult. Do your research have all the parts you need before starting. It will take 6 hours or so on a bagger. I have never seen anyone have success using Harley wiring extension pigtails. Aftermarket extensions are the better option
Don't make all your splices in the same spot or you'll have a big bulky gob to cover. Instead, stagger the splices and you get a better looking harness in the end.
Soo, they just had to change out the color of the wires to prevent retro fitting... JUST BRILLIANT. When they could have simply made a retro kit to adapt the older style connector on one end. STUPID and ARROGANT move there designers!
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Yes, this one kinda got under my skin. I have done my share of internal handlebar wiring on '14 and up Harleys. The designers were not thinking when they came up with the internal connectors in the bars. Then add insult to injury with this new design. Sorry, Just my .02
Yeah, that customer should have just sold that crap drive by wire bike and bought a real one and save himself $60 to $180 an hour ripoff service charges.. Amount of crap goes wrong and stuff you have to change or update total cost would after service charges you could have bought a whole other bike. The New Harley Business Model of ripping everyone off.... Wouldn't by one of those crap bikes on a bet. Something goes wrong on the road and you cannot even fix it, and on top of that... cannot even figure out what is wrong as you have to hook it up to a computer. Pretty sure you even have too hook it up to the computer to adjust the throttle after that replacement..... so you have to hook it up to a computer. lol Here is one example... Driving through Illinois [pothole nightmare where you can get jolted so hard by potholes you almost get thrown off your bike]. Knew a guy who blew a gauge light [and didn't know it]. Guy hit a pothole and the bike just died.. and had to have it toed over 200 miles over a little blown gauge lite in the faring that stopped working. It was Dead as a Doornail over one tinny dash light being jolted by a pothole. Over complicated hunk of junk that is totally designed to ring up Maintenance Service Charges with five miles of wire packed into it, and expensive computer parts everywhere on it... Ask anyone who has brought one of those things in for a problem and they are all horror stories. These bikes are for rich old weekend warriors who pull it out on the weekend, ride for 20 minutes, clean it, and put it back in the garage..... Break down on the road with one of these and your fucked. See it every year with people heading to Daytona, Sturgis, Rallies, Mandatories, etc, etc, etc... Sorry Doc Harley, you can keep those bikes. Some people are required to have two that actually RUN under real world conditions and not on some test track. lol
I’m the John he is speaking about. I had two friends about a week apart that changed their bars and really had a time with the throttle assembly working after the installation of their bars. They damaged the wires.
I’m glad mine still has cables. I’m on the outside here as I’d never want a bike that complicated. Wow.
Minus the hard angle bars, I have done 4...well, all the bikes I have owned as I am a big guy and short forward handlebars are uncomfortable to me. 2 were all outside and 2 were inside. Very simple, very easy...to me. I am not a mechanic but have custom built computers and such and with the proper pin punch type tools and like he said write it down or even take a picture and it all just goes back like it should.
BTW, don't by cheap sh*t bars. I know people that have shredded their wires against all kinds of sharp slag or punches/holes and whatever inside the bars and couldn't figure out the errors or malfunctions they started having.
Great videos...just started watching yours.
At 2:14 you are talking about the large plug. What is the small plug for? Is it for factory hand grip warmers?
I’ve got a ‘23 Breakout. I’m keeping my stock bars but I will be taking them off to be powder coated so I’ll have to go through this process of fishing wires. Thanks for all the helpful videos Doc
You are welcome…..Doc
Doc, my 2018 Street Glide special has the smaller connectors. I recently changed my bars and didn't have to disassemble the connectors.
Every video I am learning something New, thank you I hope to visit your shop and meet The Doc !👍
Please do!...Doc
No easy task, but I’m sure with patience and attention to detail it can be do able. The 2019 setup is the answer. Better late than never MoCo. Thanks for another good informative video Mike.
Thank you for your response to my question about the throttle on my street glide i guess i will just have to keep trying. GARY.Aust
Always have to be careful pulling out!😂
Another informational video... thanks
hey doc I have a quick question I have a 2015 Road Glide Special Im having problems figuring out why my fuel and voltage gauges are not and the lights behind the gauges are not working and the blinkers work but when turn on the little green lights dont flash on the dashboard I checked all the fuses and checked all the wires and everything looked good im at a dead end am I missing anything any idea thank you
Thanks doc 👍
dang.... I am so glad I have a 2015 Heritage. As usual, another great and informative video Doc, thanks.
Going to try the Fused Handlebars tomorrow. I don’t see how those connector are going to fit. I will just have to protect them. It looks like pulling the Throttle Cable, Handlebar Cable (same time) through isn’t going to be an easy feat....
Hello again Doc. I recently installed a set of 14 inch meat hangers on 2021 street bob. Everything is good except that the check engine light came on. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
check for diagnostic codes. They will point you in the right direction. Second follow all wiring and connectors. Most of the time it has to do with throttle...Doc
Hi Doc,
I was wondering about the throttle grip twist sensor, I changed it out on my street glide found the 6 pin plug, but I can not find the place for the two black and gray wires plug. Am I able to leave those free or do those need to be connected to something?
Thanks in Advance doc
I believe you are writing about the heated grip optional plug...Doc
Doc, would you please recommend a wire pinning and depinning tool. I'd prefer to buy what size range I need vs. too many. Thank you.
I prefer to make it. Every pin is different plus most tools are made for Auto and labeled for motorcycles…..Doc
The throttle by wire sensor on my 2020 FXST Softail wears out my wrist because the spring tension is too stiff. What can I do to remediate the situation?
Sorry I do not have a solution for a bike this new. Older bikes I would be suspicious if the throttle assembly. Go to surrounding dealers to se if any have a used 2020 that you could twist the grip. If any are better that could be proof you need a newer throttle assembly in the bars….Doc
Hey Doc! I have a 2014 ultra glide. The newer smaller plugs DO NOT retro fit…. Just what I’ve run into. I’ve wired everything according to the schematic in the manual. And it keeps showing P1512, P2122, P2128. I’m going back to the old style that connect inside the bars. Ugh…
Sorry Doc on a 2012 CVO there is no green connector, it is like the 2019 all one wire harness with the large connector that has to be disassembled.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge…Doc
Hi Doc
I want to ask you….on FXDR 2019, doni have to remove the fuel tank to get to the cables for handlebar control switches and the electronic throttle cable? Or are the connectors behind the light? I’m gonna replace the handlebar, that’s why i’m asking. Thank you
Filip//Sweden
Dyna wiring/connectors are IN the frame behind the neck...Doc
On the new models, aside from the actual harness on the throttle there is a grey wire in the same harness with another 2 prong connection, what is that for? Mine I believe was jus tucked into the frame going to nothing. 2020 Lowrider S
I believe you are talking about the connection for heated grip accessory. Thanks ~ Doc
Thanks again Doc!
I swapped out my handlebars on 2013 ultra, and now my bike won't start. I found out that when spraying a little starting fluid, not only does bike start, but it revs as if the throttle is all the way open. I suppose I smashed a throttle wire when pulling harness...
Hi mate
Nice video, I m doing my handlebar on Harley deluxe 2018 with smaller connector. But when I Cut the wiring to extend I didn’t notice that there are 2 wires of each colour. Now I can tell as it’s been cust . Bit dumb of me. I tried to find wiring diagram to match the wires but no luck. Have you got any idea which side which as on 2018 there are no sleeves on the wire like older models.
No way to post a wiring diagram here. buying an Electrical Diag manual for the wiring schematics would be more expensive than taking it to a dealer and having them repair or identify the wires...Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson hi mate good wires sorted. There are two pairs of red white and black. One is zero and other set is top throttle. Thanks for replying.👍
wow damit doc , and i wanted to change my handelbar but nowwww i dont know :( . good to know tks doc
I'm converting a brand new road glide from throttle by wire to cable and carb but can't find much information on it.
I would make an appointment with Kevin Baxter. If anyone can advise, he is the man. It is called a consultation and well worth it
I think I will keep my stock handlebars.
Chance1957 Same here.
Doc, I did exactly what you said on my bar change...i got it to go in (quite a struggle) and everything works on the controls, perfectly. Except for the throttle, no response what so ever! check engine light is on and so is something that resembles the cruise control icon. BUT during re-assembly i did by mistake turn on the gas when the fuel line was disconnected....would that have shut off the throttle? (2015 Electra Glide Ultra Classic Low)
No. This would have not set. A connection is not correct. Recheck wire color to wire color on each side of the connectors. Remove and install connector at throttle body. I hop the small connector near throttle grip is still connected.
Yes did my 2015 RG with 12" meathooks not fun.
Wow this is explain soo much ! Thank you , I'm planning to change my handlebar (2009 Electra glide flthcu) question is , I got the original 8" bar & want to change into 12" , can I still using same brakeline & throttle by wire or do I need to extend both ? Many thanks doc 🙏🏼
You are not the first or the last to ask this question. Please contact your Harley-Davidson parts specialist to have them look into the Harley-Davidson fitment guide. Now if you have chosen an aftermarket handlebar, they have a tool that will measure from the brake caliper to the handlebar mounting area. If you are doing this job at home that would not help you. The parts and accessories H-D Catalog is really good about informing customers that a handlebar will need cables and lines. Thanks ~ Doc
Will extending the wires have any effect on a tune?
What wires? generally No...Doc
This is why you guys get the big bucks .
Doc, It happen to me! I have the 2011 Ultra Classic Tri-Glide. So, I’m pulling my throttle control wires from the stock bars. The wires pulled apart at connectors inside the bars. I had made me diagram of the plug to the fairing. All colors matched to the fairing plug. Problem is, wires that pull apart on the throttle control is two sets of red, white, and black. One with a yellow sleeve and one with a black sleeve on it. The two wire black and white connector, I’m assuming are for heated hand grips, which were not plugged to anything. What are my options? How do I get out of this mess?
I'm trying to connect fog lights to my 19 fltrxs. The kit I was originally given varying numbers ending 105 or 106 install kit. Problem was the harness didn't have a connector that mated with the switch pack that mounts on the right bank. The kit was swapped for 71400129. I'm right back where I started and not much difference between the original kit I got to what I have now. Seems something is missing. I saw a brief how to video that mentions the left bank on the dash having power capability. At this point the whole dash is all blanks or no switches. Please tell me what i need to do. The lights I have fit perfectly around the road bars. I'm just at a loss at how the harness I have which came with two acc and one blank tie into each other.
I wasn't able to find the 105/106 kit in our system. Harley-Davidson's accessory catalog page 718 says you need a Fog Lamp Wiring Harness 69201109 and Switch Plate 69200172. During installation you will need to access the turn signal connectors inside the fairing.
Thank you I hope this fixes my dilemma
Doc- After a handlebar change, what would cause my throttle to seemingly feel less responsive? Went from stock to a 12 inch bar with a Z type bend. These bars were installed by a highly recommended company, KST Kustomz. I'm on a 2018 Street Glide and I do not have any codes flashing. I'm still getting use to the feel of the bars. Thanks!
Hi
We have changed throttles on my friends bike, when we start it it didnt accelerate ?
Its a 2017 softail heritage.
Hey Doc, could we get the part number on the 2019, long wire, twist grip sensor you showed there towards the end of the video. Additionally, (as it's been a year since this video was published) any new information retrofitting the 2019 sensor to earlier model wiring harness (specifically, 2014 ultra limited in my case)? Thanks a million Doc!!
No update at this time. Thanks ~ Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Right on, I'll send a message to John Maxwell and ask for the part number.
@@danielsisco625 were you able to find an adapter or something...i just got bars ore wired with the newer style tbw and my 14 has the old plug
Does the updated connector apply to 2018 models I have fxlr
I have a 2019 street glide throttle by wire i was woundering if i can change the throttle to a trigger throttle as I have just had my wrist fused.
There are several motorcycle builders that specializes in building hand controls for handicap riders. I have not built a thumb control throttle for a Harley-Davidson. Thanks ~ Doc
Swapping handlebars is not very difficult. Do your research have all the parts you need before starting. It will take 6 hours or so on a bagger. I have never seen anyone have success using Harley wiring extension pigtails. Aftermarket extensions are the better option
My 2014 Fat Boy has throttle cables.
can you do a video on how to use a lift table ???
I like the looks of ape bars but my stock bars on my Road King are so comfortable can't pull the trigger
Then Ride and Enjoy....Doc
Don't make all your splices in the same spot or you'll have a big bulky gob to cover. Instead, stagger the splices and you get a better looking harness in the end.
AGREE...Doc
This man has always got good advice for us wanna bees, something like that I'll just take it to the professionals and let them handle it 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wish they had bars that are already prewired.
They do check out Hill county customs
👍
what's the part number to the old and new wire harness? I need to change mine
What year is your motorcycle?
2015 cvo ultra
my 2016 has the smaller connectors
Just wish they can make a twist throttle for a left handed person
It has got to be a hard life being a Lefty....Doc
Soo, they just had to change out the color of the wires to prevent retro fitting... JUST BRILLIANT. When they could have simply made a retro kit to adapt the older style connector on one end. STUPID and ARROGANT move there designers!
Strong opinion noted…..Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Yes, this one kinda got under my skin. I have done my share of internal handlebar wiring on '14 and up Harleys. The designers were not thinking when they came up with the internal connectors in the bars. Then add insult to injury with this new design. Sorry, Just my .02
Glad I have a old bike lol
Old School is Cool...Doc
Yeah, that customer should have just sold that crap drive by wire bike and bought a real one and save himself $60 to $180 an hour ripoff service charges.. Amount of crap goes wrong and stuff you have to change or update total cost would after service charges you could have bought a whole other bike. The New Harley Business Model of ripping everyone off....
Wouldn't by one of those crap bikes on a bet. Something goes wrong on the road and you cannot even fix it, and on top of that... cannot even figure out what is wrong as you have to hook it up to a computer. Pretty sure you even have too hook it up to the computer to adjust the throttle after that replacement..... so you have to hook it up to a computer. lol
Here is one example... Driving through Illinois [pothole nightmare where you can get jolted so hard by potholes you almost get thrown off your bike]. Knew a guy who blew a gauge light [and didn't know it]. Guy hit a pothole and the bike just died.. and had to have it toed over 200 miles over a little blown gauge lite in the faring that stopped working. It was Dead as a Doornail over one tinny dash light being jolted by a pothole.
Over complicated hunk of junk that is totally designed to ring up Maintenance Service Charges with five miles of wire packed into it, and expensive computer parts everywhere on it... Ask anyone who has brought one of those things in for a problem and they are all horror stories.
These bikes are for rich old weekend warriors who pull it out on the weekend, ride for 20 minutes, clean it, and put it back in the garage..... Break down on the road with one of these and your fucked. See it every year with people heading to Daytona, Sturgis, Rallies, Mandatories, etc, etc, etc...
Sorry Doc Harley, you can keep those bikes. Some people are required to have two that actually RUN under real world conditions and not on some test track. lol