BTF On An RTX 4090 & Asus Gains An Alliance
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- čas přidán 30. 05. 2024
- Asus revealed the BTF concept at Computex 2023 using the TUF line, and now at CES 2024 the company has announced an ROG version of the backside connector design. In this video Adam shows off the new hardware and talks about the Asus BTF alliance that is bringing this design to hardware outside of Asus.
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00:00 - Asus TUF BTF
03:00 - Asus ROG BTF - Věda a technologie
I hope they start the standard motherboards with that GPU Power plug not just to take away the cable but to also take away this cable melting
The only problem with this is so far it’s proprietary parts and a unique standard. If this doesn’t become adopted, the potential waste becomes high and possibility to sell becomes incredibly low.
That's a very big "only problem"
Asus has gotten 10 manufacturers on board to adopting this standard. Seems like a good start so far.
@@brucemclee That doesn't mean it will catch on. PC hardware has seen multiple failed standards over the years. For example the BTX form factor which was supposed to replace ATX was designed by Intel and had multiple manufacturers/OEMs supporting it but it still failed while ATX continues on.
@@brucemclee That could be 10 manufacturers of mouse mats for all we know. Details are needed.
oh no not waste
This is one of those things that just make so much sense you know in the next 10 years, every GPU & Mobo SHOULD be BTF by default
oh yes of course once they have the kinks worked out or figured out a new way to do it
@@haalandddd-zt5fu
I think I speak for tens of thousands of people who have mini itx pc's when I say this new Motherboard connection technology is something the SFF ecosystem needs NOW!
Why? Are you looking to pay yet another premium? 😅
@@_B.C_ You must be under 30 years old. Only a millennial or gen-z would worry about another man/woman''s bank account.
@@chrisbullock6477 swing and a miss buddy. It was just a joke, don’t take it so hard.
If I was going to pay $1600+ for a graphics card I would prefer for it to be compatible with most motherboards. Anyone buying this is gambling that Asus won't discontinue this in a few years. I personally wouldn't buy a graphics card like this until it got approved as an actual standard by PCI-SIG.
Will there be support for the Asus A21case 4060 ti super?
Asus (and other motherboard and case makers) YES TO THIS
I like the concept of the GPU power plug, but I see a potential danger there with the issue of GPU sag, especially since it is placed on the farthest side from the mounting bracket.
I'd honestly be much more interested in this solution for less overbuilt GPUs in the mid range. Imagine getting the power of a 60/70 or 600/700 class card with the mounting convenience of a Power-Over-PCIe GPU. that would be sweet.
Since they are already building these motherboards with massive shields all over and since you need to at least standardise the position of the power connector, should be easy enough to add some kind of an L bracket solution to screw the GPU in place so it doesn't sag and potentially cause an electrical or fire hazzard from the stressed connector.
Do we have BTF motherboards for AMD AM5 socket processors?
yes there is MSI Project Zero B650M
I would buy that BTF version looks more clean and hopefully no issues with the GPU cards with the power issues of the connections
this is kind of stupid but I guess if you care about looks its good
will the power slot catch on fire like the 12v high power???
If that gpu power connection fails, it will be a lot harder to fix than the other traditional connectors. I wonder how well it holds up with that amount of power demand. At that point, we might as well just get a glassless case. Can always RGB ornaments on the outside if you want.
But...if they dont do that (gpu power connection)...how will poor NVIDIA sell more cards and increse their profits?
We aren't super worried about the x16 slot to fail, I would think it actually decreases failiure rate on the connectors
I just like that you can use 3 8-PIN and forgo the 12VHPRW
That limits your max wattage to 450, so not a good option
The connectors on the back of a MB are ok, it can be useful thing and it gives more choice for the consumer. I'm against the proprietary GPU connector, we need good standards not proprietary connectors, look at what happened with the 12VHPWR cable "pushed" by nvidia. It would make more sense to put the PCIE connector for the GPU (16x) on the back of the MB too and have a two sided case, GPUs are so big nowadays that are another system inside a system.
Big fan of BTF. However, Asus need to remember that people may have more than one GPU and have the power connector on more than one slot.
I STILL worry about that amount of power on those small pins.
Give it a year
I hope those wealthy enough be buying this so the standards will be there for the masses
I want btf cpu water cooling now.
I like it
They should have added the power slot connectors to the top of the GPU's so they could also work without the BTF mobos, IMO.
They will have BTF GPU's and Non BTF Gpu's. So if you want the TUF 4070 Ti Super thats fine, but if you want the TUF 4070 Ti Super BTF thats a different card and will cost slightly more. Considering that the BTF variants will cost more for the same performance because of the R&D for the connector I don't see many people spending more for same performance even if they don't know what BTF stands for.
Now imaggine if they could put a seven-segment display for debugging on those overpriced motherboards instead of making plastic covers for litterally the whole pcb. I guess most consumers only care about RGB and "gamer" aesthetics over actual functionality.
The big deal would be if ASUS, Gigabyte, ASrock and MSI would use the same layout on the backside... Otherwise it's not a standard, it's just ASUS.
It looks clean and i hope it will be standart in the future - that 12vhpwr is 💩
This is not going to catch on. Its too expensive and likely to stay expensive unless the board companies agree to a standard. Plus this gpu would not work in an itx board.
the motherboard is going to run hot
Question so thereis no chance that the GPU and the motherboard will short each other???
Many servers and Apple's 2019 MacPro use similar tech with power to the GPU through the board.
How would that happen?
we need affordable itx board
When they released this I thought luck would finally have a way to get rid of the stupid 12VHPWR port, but now realizing it's still there, just in a different location, what a disappointment.
I think they should to produce cards with both power connections then they will sell them to anyone not only BTF users in case when not much buyyers will show up, that will safe this product from dying in case of low sell, and if you want re sell your card after time then you can do that to anybody. I think many people will be scary to buy it coz resell problem. Ok Asus now you pay me for this tip.
Noticed the motherboard uses 6+2 pin PCI-E connectors for the GPU power. That's one way around the stupid Nvidia 12-pin power socket.
When did seeing pc cables become a problem?
This has been a trend in premium PC hardware for a while. It's the same reason why PSU cables no longer have colour coded wires (which some people call "ketchup and mustard").
In case of Nvidia graphics cards there is also the fact that the new 12-pin is badly designed making it easy to partially insert or have it partially unplug itself over time leading to the connector melting. This wouldn't be an issue if Nvidia just continued using the PCIe 8-pin connectors that are far more reliable.
Since the dawn of PC building and told red and yellow wires and rat nests. Removing cables and any interference also gives optimal air flow.
@@georgejones5019 While there wasn't much testing done on how much effect "good"/"bad" cable management has on cooling, the tests that were done have shown that it in vast majority of cases "bad" cable management has negligible impact on cooling performance if any at all. A PC in a high airflow case with "bad" cable management is therefore going to have better cooling than a PC in case with bad airflow and "good" cable management (assuming all other components are the same).
Since forever? I can't even access my sata ports unless I disconnect my long gpu.
From day one...
Just in case, the cables are at the back of the cage. No cables means wireless 😂. And I don't finished primary school.
Never finished English either I guess. Jesus Christ bro
Before we start making a BFD about BTF we need to know who eats the cost of burned 4090s and who eats the cost of re-balling GPUs?! And considering how expensive motherboards are can imagine a burned 4090 AND motherboard?! So 2k for GPU and >400 for a motherboard?!
The other big issue is heavy GPUs and a better way to support the heatsink instead of using the PCB. Also, a better connector than the absurdly pathetic 3 d-rgb connector everyone decided to use which is literally just some pins sticking up?
If we are going to make motherboards better why are we not moving to all usb C I connectors and eliminte the oversized and ugly front panel USB 3.0?
asus always includes a gpu sag bracket for their gpus, no problems there
and front panel usb 3.0 issue is definitely a case manufacturer problem instead of a motherboard problem and it's not even an existing problem either, we already have a type c so why bother getting silly adapters?
Great ideas. But if it stays with Asus. Then they will do what they do best. Overpriced and over mark up their products. Till it becomes a standard Asus won’t send vaseline with their product’s 😂
So, I purchase this. Next year a new GPU comes out, now I'm severely limited on what I can buy. Awful, truly a bad bad idea.
No, this motherboard works with regular GPUs too
I don’t agree with this. I genuinely think this is the future and I’m surprised as to why it didn’t happen sooner. I don’t see drawbacks to this (perhaps the heat thing mentioned in the video). If people adopt it, I’m sure it’s going to be the new standard very soon.
@@alexbraundelacruz9690 That's a pretty big if. Until then everyone buying these graphics cards is gambling that they will be able to get a compatible motherboard in the future and I don't like those odds given that an RTX 4090 costs $1600+. Also this solution only works for cards that are long enough to reach that extra slot so it won't work for compact graphics cards and it definitely won't work for mini ITX boards.
@@koffge I figured that, but now your wireless system that you over paid for has wires. congrats!
All I heard was proprietary and that doesn’t fly in pc building. Unless it’s nvidia
i hope this doesn't become a thing...
Why not
for individuals that flip pcs, trade/sell parts, build pcs for a living, build pcs for a hobby, reusability, etc etc.....this is a compatibility nightmare. it's concept is also not compatible with 99% of the cases out there. that requires more manufacturing, more retooling, more waste, etc etc for a concept that's not really needed except for hardcore aesthetics. get a solid side panel i say or take pride in your cable management.@@m.h.7901
PCWorld : HAHAHAHA....sure yeah, you're going to feed 600 Watts continuous power to the RTX 4090 through the PCB copper lines inside the motherboard ?!?!?!?! This isn't going to work for the nuclear power hungry LAVA overheating self-melting Nvidia heating GPU-s.
Pure crap, we dont need it... power should be isolated to cables. why even bother with making the mobos even more complicated and expensive. It will for sure introduce even more issues like heat and even signal integrity of other components. no thanks.
Heat bleed would be minimal. An NVME for instance does not contact the motherboard. And like they say they've been doing it in servers for years and those are reliability critical.
Adopting this would reduce GPU fires caused by loose connectors due to the case being too narrow and bending the cable too much.
sounds like a hassle and new case, this is not really useful imo.
what a load of bullshit. half of the price is on the visuals nowdays. Pretty sad direction.
Stupid and unnecessary and it's disappointing that it's not being criticized. If they want to change things just go full OAM
This is like combing over your hair, to cover the middle bald part...
A much better thing would be:
Put *all* the connectors on the right side of the mobo (I mean all of them, somehow), and set them at a 90º angle
gg wp
That would still have all the connecting cables trailing through the front of the PC.
@@Safetytrousers Yeah, it would.
But you wouldn't hurt yourself trying to plug things like the CPU Power. Or that one fan header that is always too hard to reach
Your mileage may vary plugging the CPU cables in, I didn't have any trouble with that last time. And no fan header was hard to reach for me.@@CapComa
Leave thinking to someone, dude.
I see we have a lot of Asus marketing-bots on here today...
wrong video. This is one of those low-viewership ones