Perpetual Motion Video....Is It Fake or Real ??
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- čas přidán 31. 03. 2023
- A lot of very talented engineers have experimented and attempted to
prove that perpetual motion is a myth. To bring it from concept to
reality is an achievement not yet realized. This video demonstrates that
I have tapped into a concept that is so obvious, it
literally should have been thought of years ago.
Forget about those that say it can't be done,
or those that say its impossible and forge
onward. Accept challenges and failure and never
let anyone tell you it can't be done. Also, just because
someone says its real, don't always believe what your eyes just saw.
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Greetings Everyone,
Thank you all for stopping by. I have read some of the comments ( all of them ) and would like to narrow the field of ideas.
1. The block is under the steam engine so the large flywheel can spin.
2. The block is solid
3. There are no electric motors hidden anywhere
4. No batteries used
5. The 3 way block is truly a 3 way block
6. The pipe clamps I use were too big, so I added some foam under all the components to take up the slack.
When this video reaches 50,000 views, I explain in greater detail how it was done. I will say, there is a clue presented, to the validity of my claims, that nobody has found yet.
Either that flywheel was slowing down or the frame rate of your camera was increasing.
could it be possible that the brass valve on the exhaust tube is a ➡➡ ~T~ in disguise ⬅⬅...❓❓❔❔
Take it apart live, starting while it's running. No cutaways. Everything in full view.
F = M x A. When M is negative, and the machine is well enough designed to take advantage of it, A = 0 at a discrete RPM. The question only remains about the materials used.
the "check valves" are actually not that at all, they're an l-valve with a fake entrance. the air is actually coming through the board into the first fake check-valve, and exiting through the board at the second. there's no reason to have anything under them, or have them secured, especially not have black plastic seats under them. too suspicious! 🤞😂
The hardest thing when building a perpetual motion machine is to hide the battery.
Or in this case the plumbing to the compressor.
Or the flywheel that was in plain sight 😊
My bet is on a rubber drive wheel on the lowest part of the flywheel, battery and motor in the wooden base. I'm sure we will have a big reveal at some point because I don't believe Joe is one of the bad actors just trying to make money from other people's forlorn hope of getting something for nothing.
April fools day perhaps?
And the date is…..?
Happy First of April
Don't know how you did it, but it"s one of the best displays I've seen.
Has to be April Fool, because Jo Pie would never try to con us with perpetual motion---- or would he???
My bet is a motor with rubber wheel under the fly wheel.
@@TheEvertw that's exactly what I was thinking. Probably has a potentiometer just off screen to supply power without the click of a switch. Heck he might even have a tig pedal wired up to it.
Its pretty clear.
@@TheEvertw see the pinned comment.
Hidden air supply would be pretty easy, or it could also be running off the air stored in the tubing, with only the exhaust hidden. Either way, nicely done, Joe!
A very happy April fools day Joe. As always a GREAT watch.
Cheers
Pete' New Zealand 👍
Happy April 1st Joe!
Love the attention to detail by mounting the valves and hoses so neatly!
Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦
Nice one Joe, there is no fool like an April fool. I love it
I forgot it was April fools day.
Just for a second I thought “Oh no, he’s not on of them is he?”. My heart sank! But then I remembered the date. Well done...
Must admit, I was worried for a moment lol.
I think the best clue here is that Joe would never cobble together a base like the one seen in this video. Certainly he has long ago mounted this beautiful little engine to a beautiful little base. Keep up the good work Joe, I just love all these miniature kits you are building!
Hi Joe from Romania! I like what you do! is the system still working? For how much time have you tested it running? Thanks in advance!
Happy April 1st Joe. 😁
Love the channel.
I want to know where you got the material to make the flywheel. I’ve used an aluminum alloy with a mass of -.10 lb/in^3, and it works, but my machines lack temporal stability.
If I remember correctly, this engine came in kit form. All materials included
It did.
@@joepie221 I was assuming it’s the flywheel on your machine made from a material with negative mass, as that’s the most likely part, but it could have been the crank or something else. Anyway, like all of your work, that machine is beautiful.
@Joe Pie Excellent. Does it use Parflo Oil?
Absolutely amazing. This brings up at least 1000 questions...... How long have you let it run?
Suspect that the real air feed and real exhaust is from below the board! Great illusion--well presented.
Think about it.....
Excellent demonstration, would it have run again simply by spinning the flywheel, or is there enough blowby around the piston to have leaked down by then?
Congratulations. This is simply amazing. What I'm most impress by is that you were able to succeed with a concept and design that is well over 100 years old. I can't help thinking of the, what has to be thousands of, engineers, hobbyists, and educators who studied, built, and conceptualized this very engine over the last 100 years. People who didn't possess the intellect to take that one simple stroke of genius step that you did. Connect the exhaust to the intake. Pure brilliance. Again, congratulations Joe. Good luck with the patent. Can't wait to see this engine taking us to Mars and beyond!
Had you fooled? April fooled !
This is a copy of my Lightweight Industrial Engine or LIE as it is known!
@@samrodian919 Apparently my sarcasm needs work. Not only perpetual motion but a perpetual motion steam engine to take us to space?!?! I got that it was a joke, but, you are correct in that I didn't get that it was an April 1 joke. It's 3:30 in the morning here :)
@@markbrown9765 that's ok mate it had me going for the first two minutes until I realised the date!
Congratulations Joe. This is simply amazing! Thousands have tried this for years but you are the one who figured out one of, or maybe the best April Fools jokes on engineers we have seen. Thanks again!
Brilliant gag Joe, well presented! I’m guessing a little friction drive motor on the flywheel behind the box. Very nicely done.
see the pinned comment.
@@joepie221 Then I now think that the "check valves" are actually tee fittings. One is anyway - the supply one I think, and air is routed under the block. One of the many things you are exceedingly good at is creating puzzles, and I have thoroughly enjoyed this one. Looking forward to the reveal!
It is always great when I see a new post from you. This is the first post I think that brought me here and it is more beautiful than I remember. It really is something for you to be proud of creating. SO COOL/NEAT/FANTASTIC. If it wasn't for temperature, gravity and possible leaks you good sir NAILED IT. I will be back a time or two+ to revel in this. Neat one bud. Go for the patent, who knows till you try eh.
I built this kit a few years ago. Nice kit. It will keep running until the pressure drops due to air (steam) bypassing the rings on the piston or bypass in the valve box. It takes very little volume or pressure to run this engine. I use a regulator at about 1psi to run it.
Its a clever design.
Will wait for a follow up. Looking at the stroboscopic effect on the flywheel might give a clue. Well done.
I watched this again and despite what others have said the engine was not slowing down. If you watch the flywheel the stroboscopic effect was constant. This means it must have had a secret air supply through probably the first check valve.
Ha ha. Grat demonstration
As the saying goes: the hardest part in creating a perpetual motion machine is to figure out where to hide the battery
Read the pinned comment at the top of this string.
Where do you buy your steam? Wedont have steam stations here in Canada...
Dehydrated. Just add water.
I love the concept. Only issue I see is that your seals would have to be perfect to prevent the slow escape of your drive pressure. Have you timed how long it will run. I would imagine a long while, but not perpetually.
An honest comment would be " The setup shown in this video will run as long as I want it to "
Why do you need to pressurize the system to start it, just attach the exhaust into the intake and then it should run for ever. I did notice that today is April 1st.
@@joepie221 Sounds like I need to study the setup a little closer! ;)
Enjoyed that. Especially about the patent at the end (PM machines being a specific exclusion and all).
Rim drive motor and battery in the base ?
see the pinned comment.
Happy April 1 Joe. Nice vid, thanks!
Brilliant!! Time will tell though!! I would love to see a timing recorder where you can record the actual loss of power over time.
The more acturate and balanced the longer it should run. All down to the machinist really. I AM NOT THERE YET!!
It's coasting!! From the cutting of the air tube to Joe's stopping it is only 50 seconds, so not enough time to coast down.
It does slow A LITTLE, though. I took the audio and timed the clicks. At the start it was 170ms between clicks (352rpm) and at the end it was 184 (325 rpm). So it slowed 27rpm in 50 seconds & would come to a stop in another (325/27)*50 = 603s; 10 minutes. More or less - it won't slow linearly.
That it would coast that long is a testament to Joe's meticulous machining!
EDIT: oh, "never mind" (Rowen & Martin) ... some of Joe's replies refute that.
Very good Joe. 🙄 that board looks suspiciously high off the table 😅
Hi Joe from the UK. Just remind us what day you posted this video. Love your content and keep up the good work and educational stuff you do.
Happy April fools day Joe, please keep making the entertaining and informative video's you are famous for.
That's about the coolest thing I've seen! I always look forward to your videos and this one did not disappoint! I display at a local thresheree and have that same engine. I would like to borrow your idea...with your permission of course!
Have at it.
Because of Joe’s skill when he built the steam engine, there is absolutely no friction between any of the moving parts. As such, this contraption should theoretically run forever. Brilliant work Joe, you’re the man!!!!😊
If there was no friction in the machine...then it would fall to pieces as soon as it started to move.
@@brianmoore5454 extremely little friction, and those machines exists, but You could not ever have them doing any work, if You do, they will stop very soon. But that engines worked very very smooth.
The pressure on both sides of the piston will equalize at some point. The force required to operate a fluid tight, sealed piston requires quite a bit of energy. Joe introduced energy when he spun the flywheel to get it started.
@@buckinthetree1233 BUT ... will the energy stored in the flywheel be sufficient to restart the "motor" should the line pressure equalize. There is something stored in the old, deep dark recesses of my brain that tells me it will not, but I cannot recall it just now.
@T Duncan no. The flywheel started losing energy as soon as he took his hand off of it.
Well the air feed shown on camera cant have been feeding it at any point because if you block the exhaust port it just wouldn't run, the pressure would build and the back pressure would stop it running. So I am guessing modified check values with pipes going down through the base board.
Upon closer examination, you'll see the exhaust port isn't restricted.
Nicely done: amazing how little air this uses, I didn't hear any flow when you charged the system.
My bet is an electric motor driving the fly wheel, hidden in the mount.
That's why we never see the bottom of the flywheel.
see the pinned comment.
That's a well presented display.
Thanks Joe
Pity about the off camera loop where I suspect there's an air feed. Even so a smooth runner. Happy April 1st Joe 😮
How long did it run for? Happy beginning of April
Still running.
It would be interesting to monitor RPM, how it changes in an hour, especially with applied load.
Happy April 1st Joe. Awesome trick. The flywheel will keep it going for a while with the assist (or lack of resistance from) of the air recirculation, the driving energy stored in the flywheel will be used up in friction losses and it will stop. Years ago there was some guy on The Tonight Show who demonstrated his perpetual motion machine, using permanent magnets in a complex machine that looked like Ferris Wheel and seemed it may have been plausible, but I never heard of anything coming from his "invention" so I'm leaning toward a hoax.
I think that snake oil you used as the ultimate lubrication plays a big part Joe!
I'm not totally surprised that Joe managed to build a frictionless machine, but that he solved the need for differential pressure to make the piston move really floored me! I was surprised the air pressure was so low though that I didn't hear more of an air blast when the line was cut.
The check valve stopped he expected hiss.
@@joepie221 I expected the air line with the blow gun to hiss.
Two questions:
1. If the pressure in the system keeps it running, then after stopping it the way you did, there would still be pressure in the system (assuming no leaks). Couldn't you then, turn the fly wheel and start the thing running again?
2. If you can stop it by hand like that, wouldn't friction eventually slow it to a stop after a period of time?
I would, however be interested in seeing just how long it would run, and if a higher internal pressure would make it last, and the maximum pressure it would take without a failure.
After you stopped it, could you manually spin it back up through the wheel? Would it then keep going again?
At 2:46 & 2:50 if you can see some black material under the check valves that looks like its shielding a few extra holes. But i would never argue with Joe, as his machining knowledge is so great. Thanks for a very entertaining production. Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺 🦘 where we are one day ahead of you.
Check the pinned comment.
Clever timing on the posting of this video.
Nicely done Joe.
That is a great demonstration .
With a early type steam engine with sliding valve .
Piston type valve engine is a later and better design.
Works with air , for a while if leaks are very small.
Steam would not work as when the steam cooled the pressure would drop till it would be liquid water again .
Steam is 1800 to 1 ratio to water .
The interesting thing is the one side of the cylinder has less cid due to the piston rod , so it is not balanced in cid side to side , but it works .
Many people have tried an failed to make things like this work .
But you did it !
Keep up the great work Joe .
If is as you said then how did you stop it? And if you stopped it could you resume it? I am not sure how you got it to run so long after the air was removed, but it is a bit of a head scratcher for sure. Happy April 1st ... you got me!
The tubing acts as a small reservoir. Eventually the friction will diminish the stored energy in the reservoir (meaning the pressure stored will become neglible) and the engine will stop. The minimal friction of the engine is a wonderful mechanical achievement. If chicanery was involved, there may be a pressure regulator in the line we do not see. After all, we do not know the psi of the input line. Higher pressure stores more energy in the reservoir... Nice video and demo.
Your comment was the one I was looking for, air compresses and will probably run it a little while until the friction from the piston rings and the crankshaft eventually uses up any stored energy. I wonder how long it might run.
For a second there, I almost thought it was a type of Stirling engine. One of those would be a Hell of a project, Joe. After the current miniature machines, of course.
Joe, always thinking. Question, will there be any heat built , due to friction, that might expand the plastic tubing a bit creating more space in the tubing than air volume? Or would the heat, if any, be relative to both the air temp and the tubing allowing both to expand at some relative coefficient? It would interesting to let the little engine run for 24 hrs to see what happens. I am a huge fan of your ingenuity, engineering skills and machinemanship !!!
Happy April 1st Joe! 😉
Hey, I'm back. It will be great if you can under close atmospheric conditions to see just how long it will take to have the little engine that could come to a stop. Onward again. I just love this one big time ! ! ! ! !
Always a win to get a comment from you my friend.
Intersting. I have some questions (suggestions for further exploration).
1. How long will it run without any load?
2. How long will it run when connected (by belt I assume) to a tiny generator?
3. Can you produce enough electricity to make up lost energy from friction, gravity, etc.?
"True" perpetual motion is not possible. However, it should be possible to use waste energy from other processes to keep a system like this running indefinitely. Perhaps capture waste air from pneumatic tools to keep the system charged. Or use Sterling engines to capture waste heat from a lathe/mill motor.
How long did you let it run off camera before it stopped? Because of energy loss due to friction and energy loss due to heat this can not work but it is a cool trick!
Joe please don't take this the wrong way as I have a great deal of respect for you. We have met at the summer bash and I must say out of all the CZcams creators I met you were the most genuine down to earth guy I met. This is a cool concept as I am sure you know there has to be clearance in the packing in the rod glands thereby causing SOME leakages. It's not a comment on your engine build it just has to be. A couple of things I thought of is any leakage of the piston seals or the one seat on the "internal" check valve seat will just serve to equalize both sides and balance the pressure. Two things I would suggest if you would be interested in doing an indurance test are cap the supply hose on the inlet check valve after you pressurize it. Also add some high quality synthetic oil to the friction points. I would be interested to see this setup with the addition of air gages on a time lapse to see just how "perpetual" it actually is. My scepticism comes from a couple of physics courses I took that tell of the impossibility of perpetual motion and further interest watching many CZcams videos on this subject over the years. It is actually one of my favorite rabbit holes to jump down.
Good one Joe. I assume this system will become part of your alchemist research into conversion of steel swarf into gold?
What a lovely little engine! And setup, too. If I owned it I'd have it on a shelf beside my desk and see how long Perpetual actually is.... 👍
The black rubber under the one way valves is the give away here and I'm pretty sure the air line wasn't connected.
I did think about a vac pump on the exhaust but that would only work on a piston valve.
Wow! Son of a gun, what a neat demonstration. I’m impressed. Show it again a month from now still running at the same speed and I’m sold. Good luck on that perpetual motion patent!
Awesome video Joe ! I’m sure today’s date has something to do with it since those kind of machines only seem to run once a year and it’s on this date . Two 👍 👍 on this one 😉 !
I have made the same engine and am pleased to hear a very similar knock as it runs, this is a great demo and I enjoyed it very much.
Thank you very much!
Always knew you had it in you! thanks for the smile Best regards from Belgium
Great video Joe 👍☺️ it really proves a well machined machine can provide power to itself. Smooth bearings and so is key to get it run forever and ever.
Best regards from Denmark 😁
Awesome!!! Decades ago my dad was telling me you could keep electricity going forever if you could unplug a long extension cord from the outlet and back into itself quick enough.
Also had a classmate convinced we had weed eating snakes to keep our corn fields clean, hehehe
That was the best presentation for this day ever! Really convincing and very professional!
Loved it!
PeO
Thank you.
Newtons third law of motion "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction". If anyone can perfect perpetual motion it's Joe Pie. You apparently have created a model with no friction and perfect sealing for the piston, piston rod and valve chest and have somehow compensated for the two different volume displacements on each end of the piston due to the piston rod consuming volume. I believe the block is solid too. It would be interesting to see the bottom side of that flywheel. Maybe you could remove the flywheel altogether and run it?? Thank Joe for sharing your time, knowledge and your creative thinking with us. Keep em coming Joe
the idea is sound but it is not a perpetual motion machine because of diminishing returns due to friction and air loss due to gaps in the machined surfaces so you would have to add a pressure top-up occasionally and eventually replace parts without disturbing the motion.
but having said that the possibilities are there. I really enjoyed that. Thank you
Happy April 1st Joe.
Ignoring the well hidden plumbing for a sec, can we take a moment to appreciate how quiet and smooth it runs?
I’ve been fighting the tuning of my Stuart #9 for weeks and have a long way to go to have similar results.
Thanks.
A lot of effort went into this, very enjoyable. I'm agreeing with several other guesses, a little motor driving the flywheel. Thanks for the video..
No motor. and yes, a lot of effort went into this.
If it holds pressure then you should be able to rotate the flywheel and it should start up again?
Absolutely
Happy April Fools day Joe
o, anyone got suggestions on how he made this work? My guess is that the plumbing isn't what it seems and that the check valves have a hidden inlet and outlet through the board. Anything could have happened between the cuts in that video and I know our Joe can be sneaky ;)
The flywheel stores a lot of energy, that's what it's for. Every cycle it will slow down. If he kept the camera running on it it would slow down and stop after a certain point.
You could just have heated studs under the check valves. If you have a CRC around (are they even still printed?), you could look up how much heat would be needed from the steam tables.
You never see the back of the engine. Small battery powered electric motor on the flywheel for exhibition purposes. That's my vote. He'll fess up eventually :-)
@@malevolent7650 That can't be the explanation, the friction is so great and it doesn't store that much energy. I'm more into something like CatNolara.
Yes, the check valves are dummy items being fed/exhausted through the board they are mounted on.
So how long will it really run for before the system balances?
"This setup" will run indefinitely.
If I were to do this, I’d feed air through the board, into the bottom of the intake check valve on the “downstream” side, and exhaust out the “upstream” side of the exhaust check valve in a similar manner. Those foam shims “to hold things in place” make a convenient way of obscuring the connections. Well done though.
Good thought, but it sounds like you'd have conflicting pressure somehow.
Is it a sterling based motor. Is there a external heat source off camera.
No external heat source or fan blowing the flywheel.
Joe that is absolutely brilliant my friend. I can’t believe my own eyes. How frik’n clever. What an amazing piece of machinery. Your the best Joe….so awesomely cool brother 👍😃 Thankx for taking all the time to fabricate the machine itset and also filming/editing the results. Way cool
It actually took more effort than the video shows. Thanks for the accolade.
@@joepie221 That is for sure ! And the time to conceive of the idea!
How long would this run Joe?
Truly forever. As is.
@@joepie221 maybe you can make a time lapse video of it running for a week or so. Because I'm not convinced that the friction of it running wouldn't eventually shut it down. Would you be willing to do something like this? Hope your day is going well. Cheers!
Nice, it will run like that until the inperfections and loss accumulate and stops. If the steam ports, value, piston, cylinder caps, packing were all perfectly sealed it would run forever. However, we know that is next to impossible to do so eventually it must stop. LOVE IT. Well done joe. That would be a great test to show how well any steam engine has been machined.
The offscreen loop has been cut and air was introduced back into the line from there, which is why the check valve on input side were required, so that we don't have the air leak out of the cut off pipe. That would be my guess, if the pinned comment is all true, which it can be if my explanation is true.
First of the month already? A very enjoyable video Joe.
How long did it run?
A splendid effort. Happy April 1st everyone 🙂
Thank you! You too!
Only our Joe Pie could pull this off !!! Thanks Joe !
Is air coming into the check valve from under the table?
Beautiful craftsmanship! Love it!
Thank you very much!
There is unnecessary foam underneath the check valves. An easy place to hide a pressure feed and return.
The handheld pressure feed probably is just a distraction. Nicely done.
I actually added the foam to take the wiggle out of the hardware. The hold down straps are too big.
Now I'll waste my day wondering how you pulled this off. Great one!
me too.
The "one way valves", bolted down to the plate, look suspicious to me
@@kallewirsch2263 Something along those lines I suspect.
Eventually some of the static compressed air will leak past the sliding piston and the engine will slow and stop.
@@ellieprice363 I don't think there's much static here in play. These engines work on a pressure difference and if the system is static, that difference is virtually nonexistent.
@kallewirsch2263 and I were speculating that the tubes are covertly fed from underneath. Since the engine is going slow and the whole thing is completely silent, I'm thinking it's fed from a small reservoir under relatively low pressure.
Nicely done, Joe, we're still chewing on this.
What a simple concept, I can see why so many brilliant minds I'd the world let that fly right over them. In all the years I've worked with hydraulics it never occurred to me to route the exhaust back to the intake, check valve it and as long as you have a leak free system it will cycle until it dies. Brilliant Joe, you never cease to amaze me.
My third try: Joe says: " 'This setup' will run indefinitely.", "It actually took more effort than the video shows.", "[...] and yes, a lot of effort went into this.", and in the description: "don't always believe what your eyes just saw.".
The "lot of effort" is telling because what is seen is not much effort at all, so there was a lot of effort that is not seen. And the "don't [...] believe [...] your eyes" suggests a visual trick. So my next guess is that it's done with video editing.
Joe took a video of the engine running and, doing a frame-by-frame edit, Joe found 2 spots where all the engine's parts were in exactly the same position. He then copied the video between those 2 spots and pasted it after the 2nd spot. So the motion repeats and is undetectable by watching (there is no "jump" because the parts are in the same position). I think that it happens just after the 5:00 mark because Joe is out of frame and not commenting. The copied/pasted clip is about 5 seconds long.
This is my final answer.
For now, the only way to see how this video was done is by viewing the reveal video on my patreon page.
Happy April fool's day Joe! We have to get down to Austin and visit someday.
Visitors are welcome. Call or text ahead.
what date do we have today?
Love it! What's the date again? 🤣
Very nice trick Joe. Well done.
My guess? small battery powered motor inside the block driving the flywheel via a rubber wheel attached to the motor shaft.
see the pinned comment.
Simplicity at it's finest, hello from the east coast of Australia
Hello from Austin Texas USA
And a little thing called "friction" on the moving/sliding parts??
ha ha.
What most "perpetual motion machine creaters" do not take into account: sound is a form of energy too. If a machine makes a noise, it is bound to lose energy 🙂
One question...Did you alter the timing at all for this set-up? Yes, I'm still thinking about it. 🤔
Nope.
Independent of the April Fools exhibition- take a moment to reflect on what a beautiful accomplishment the engine build was… what a piece of fricken machined jewelry… Again Joe, We’ll Done!
Next time you do this make sure the hose hisses as you snip it. Wink.
Love your work. I've learned a lot from your videos.
The steam engine requires about 2 pounds of air to run. All you get when clipping an air line with 2 pounds of air in it is a quiet gentle poof. Any air in a system like this won't back purge due to the check valve proximity to the cut. Theoretically of course. Thanks for watching.
Well done as always Professor! Happy April Fools to you too!
Same to you!