I like the concept very much. I tend to prefer bar ends to brifters for their longevity and simplicity, so these just seem like more convenient bar ends. Thanks for the very clear overview.
I've been running the 10sp shifters since 2012 and the RetroShift days. One other benefit not mentioned is I get a visual indication of what gear I'm in by the position of the shifter. I run mine with a rapid rise 9sp RD in a 3x10 setup and it works great. Love how easy that rapid rise shifts up on the 45T cog on the cassette and like you mentioned, that can be from many cogs away, just slam the lever over and turn the crank over a few times and it's there. The other advantage of running a rapid rise RD is both shifter move the same direction. That is, higher gears are in to the center, lower gears are to the outside. Of course, there's no rapid rise option in DynaSys.
This video has been out since 2017 and I just now found it ??? Glad I did because these are of great interest to me. I have the perfect cyclocross bike to put these on. I purchased a Retroshift BURD rear derailleur years ago and never used it and it has been sitting in the closet. Now it's finally going to get used. Thanks for the video. I placed my order for these shifters already.
An update to my post 11 months ago, these shifters work perfectly. Indexing is dead spot on for the 10 speed setup I have. The brakes are paired with Yokozuna Hydraulic Hybrid calipers so plenty of brake and no complaints.
These are similar to the Suntour Command shifters, in spirit, from the early 90's found on the GT Tachyon! I like it. Thanks for exposing us to something new (for me) and different. I'm going to try these on my next build.
Thank you for introducing me to Gevenalle! I am building up a touring bike with a Deore XT 3x11 drivetrain and was going to install bar ends from microshift but Gevenalle has attached them to brake levers! Even better, HYDRAULIC - Shimano Road and Dyna-Sys MTB Compatible Shifters with Hydraulic Brakes!! (Heaven, I'm in heaven!) Pure magic! (Cycling from Waterloo Ontario - North of Buffalo, NY - to Halifax Nova Scotia - North of ... Maine? East coast! Next summer. 5,000km 3,000 miles.)
I have the CX 3x9 version of these on my Surly touring bike, which allowed me to stick with my Alivio 4000 drive chain when I moved to drop bars. I think they're great. If you've used STI shifters before, these are a little different but quite easy to get used to. The shifting is really crisp and accurate and, for me, they hands down beat barend shifters.
@@Red-ju4mi Just as easy to shift really. They look weirder than they feel to use! After a couple of rides you'll work out the best combination of thumb pushes and finger pulls. It's pretty intuitive...the chain moves in the direction you push the lever.
Thanks for some information on how sometimes the rear derailleur over shifts. I just completed a five month tour across USA found a pair in Ohio. Been stopping at bicycle shops for years hoping that I could find some bar end shifters for my velo orange crazy bars. Always would get the same answer we don't stock them because nobody uses them. After finally finding a pair that came off a long haul trucker. I was amazed how fast and responding the shifts are. There is no mechanical delay from waiting for spings to engage. I have decided to change the bar end shifters to Shimano thumb shift for my tour from Columbia to Argentina. For only one reason and that I was concerned about having bar ends on the crazy bars is that when the bike would fall they go straight in to the dirt. If I every switch to drop bar I will get a pair that you have. So far the new three by nine are working finer then the fur on a frog's butt. I hope they are still great after seven thousand miles to the other end of the world. I will miss the bar end ogre shifting gears like I was on a old tractor.
I have a non-DynaSys version of the Gevenalle shifters on one bike and like them quite a bit, but only after replacing the stock Microshift shifters with Shimano's equivalent. The Microshift ones indexed very poorly for me, no matter what either the shop or I did. We checked cable tension, derailleur hanger alignment, and so on, but no dice. On one ride, it got so bad that I switched it to friction for the rear, only to find that it readily, rapidly, and repeatedly loosened the bolt that held the shifter on, so it would only stay in gear for so long. Popping Shimano's equivalent shifter onto the Gevenalle levers worked like a charm. I only more recently learned about using purple threadlocker for my Rivendell Silver and Dia-Compe friction shifters on other bikes to prevent the bolts from loosening, but it's too little, too late for the Microshift ones.
I had DynaSys compatible Microshift 10 speed shifters installed on Paul Thumbies on a Jones Loop bar for a while and the indexing was crap as well. It would never stay shifting accurately for long, and I ended up using them in friction mode only, finally dumping them for 9 speed Ultegras. Those Microshift shifters would be the only deal-breaker for me on these. I really love my Jones Loop bars, but I've been considering one of the new breed of gravel bike type drop bars for a future bike build - maybe Salsa Woodchippers or something similar. I also kind of wonder how these Gevenalle shifters would work on a mustache bar setup.
Hi Russ, I just built up a steel 18spd Rando bike with the "Audax" variant of the Gevenalle levers. So far I'm loving the simple setup and the peace of mind I get from knowing as long as I have a cable I can easily and quickly fix a broken cable in the middle of a ride many km's from home! I'm new to friction shifting but once I got over the initial shock and loss of muscle memory I was soon enjoying the ability to sweep the chain from one side of the cassette to the other and the infinite trimming possibilities of the front derailleur too. I'm sure I will be using these for many years to come and will be experimenting with an 11spd cassette in the not too distant future too! Great video BTW! ;o)
I've had the 1x10 shifters for a few years now and mine too have the overshift problem. Mine is a little different though and doesn't just rub, sometimes it actually shifts down an extra gear with just one click. I then have to trim it a bit to get it to go back up. Definitely annoying during a cross race but not so much for commuting and road riding.
Clarencebobarence, thx for using our shifters. THis issue sounds like it is caused by the shift lever being set a too loose. We set these at time of assembly in an 'average' position but each drivetrain is different and can need tailoring to. Use the 4mm hex bolt on the front of the lever and give it a 1/4 turn clockwise to tighten and repeat as necessary. If issue continues please email us directly and we can assist. Cheers, The Goats
Great vid. Funny now that you are not in Portland this one comes out :) I have been running with mine for approx.1 yr. Love them. Agree with the break in period and adjusting the way you shift. They are so reliable. They are a great conversation piece, if someone is interested. I consider putting them on my next road bike as it will be used primarily for randonneuring. Thanks for your review.
Im thinking about converting my singlespeed with hylex to a 1x11 geared touring/randoneuring setup. I just cant quite make up my mind between the Gevenalle solution or a bar end shifter. I very much like how the Hylex hoods feel and Im not really sure I would like the braking with the shifter changing the ergonomic feel of the hoods and lever, also imagine some of the shifter posissions can be a bit awkward. At the same time Im not sure if I will like having to leave the hoods to shift with a bar end shifter.
I test rode a bike with these shifters and found that when shifting, particularly in one direction (can't remember which) I would actuate the brakes. That is the brake levers would pivot down somewhat. It was a bit unnerving but most likely operator error. In any event, like STI , I don't like the shifting as part of the brake lever. Much prefer bar end or Campy Ergo
OH WOW this is great l just put tektros on my old road bike with kona CX bars and converted to a 1x and shimano MTB bar click shifter on the tops because my old friction shifters wasnt holding the gears ,slipping out . l love the Tektro levers feel too and this might be an option for me to shift on the fly without having to move my hands from the tops etc. l m gonna check these out ASAP THANKS
I run a 1x11 with a Gevanelle shifter mounted on TRP Hylex brakes on my Trek 920. Absolutely awesome for my needs! Also for the most part, Dyna-Sys just denotes 10 or 11 speed Shimano mtn. If it’s a Shimano mtn 10 or 11 spd derailleur, it’s Dyna-sys. You can mostly trust me, I work as a bike wrench full time. 🤘
Late to the party here,, a few years ago I put these on my dropbar troll built up for some Latin American trips. Have spent months riding fully loaded with them, and really like them. For my use, they are the perfect solution to not wanting to use brifters because of the damage concerns, or also in my case, simply not being fond of bar end shifters. Can't recommend them enough if brifters aren't suited. The nearly or whole cassette sweep is actually pretty darn useful sometimes riding a 80 or 90lb bike in steep terrain. Ģreat design and very much suited to touring.
@@PathLessPedaledTV some additions-i too had over shift issues, partly due to my Rd not having a barrel adjuster on it, and I installed an inlne one that wasn't a good one, ie had slop in it and would de-adjust, but I wasn't realizing this. Once I figured this out and put a good one on, shifts were consistent, although like bar ends, a certain slight finesse is sometimes needed. But once cable tension and tension on actual shift lever is good, things became pretty consistent for me. I ride all kinds of shifters, and brifters and triggers are quicker for lots of fast upshifts, but for touring, I find these great.
I have the Dynasys 11 speed compatible hydraulic levers (built around the TRP Hylex system) and I'm generally pleased with them too. I do get a bit of over-shift at times like you mentioned. My most notable issue thus far, however, is the tendency for the rear shifter to slip down a gear when hitting bumps and jostling the RD- both with and without the clutch engaged on my XT unit. It's as if the shifter doesn't have enough friction to counter the cable tension, though this could be a setup issue.
Brent, THx for using our shifters. The Microshift units we use are adjustable via the 4mm hex bolt on the front. If you are dropping gears simply give it a 1/4 clockwise tighten and repeat as necessary until it no longer drops. If you still have issues do please contact us direct and we will be happy to troubleshoot with you.
Great shifters! I got a set back when they were still called the RetroShift. On my Fargo with Woodchippers I was tired of laying my bike down and the bike shifting. So I thought I'd give these a try. They worked great with bikepacking bags as you mentioned and I also ran them friction most of the time. If I remember right when I had them installed the rear was indexed, but I changed it at some point. I loved being able to shift on the hoods as well as the wide sweep that you mentioned. I'd get them again if I still had a bike setup like the Fargo.
Reliable and made to last forever but I found them too uncomfortable and shifting to lower gears sometimes a bit too hard on the fingers. So I sold them...
K Khalifah check out microshift thumb shifter for sram eagle 1x12. and then buy gavenalle brake lever without shifter. or you can try IRD power ratchet brake lever if you want another option. mount that microshift shifter to brake lever and you’re done!
It is not necessary to emphasize the Dynasys term. All 10 and 11 speed MTB Shimano drivetrains are of Dynasys type, that's just a fancy marketing term. So, any Gevenalle 10sp Shimano MTB will work with any 10sp Shimano MTB derailleur. Same for 11sp, respectively.
I just installed my shifter/lever and the BURD front and rear derailleur as my 105 shifters gave up the ghost for the second time with faulty ratcheting leaving me to ride 20km home with no gear option other than in my 11 cog.... nice unexpected training sesh! So I decided to weigh them against the ultegra rear mech and the 105 brifters. The Gevenalle were lighter in all comparisons, a pleasant and unexpected surprise. I also would like to add the just the overall fell of quality and robustness of their build feels better than the shimano. Kind regards and happy cycling to all
I love mine. I have a set on my Surly Disc Trucker and wouldn't use anything else... I need to gat another pair and get rid of my TanPan (mistakes were made)
Stupid question -- can I run the shifting cables internally? I can only seem to find videos/images of them external over the handlebar area. If I hope to run a handlebar bag I'm wondering if the cables would get in the way. Also just in search of a clean look. Thanks!
Thanks for the info. I still have a surprising number of 9spd rear Shimano mtb DRs in a box and the first one I tried (not knowing about the Dyna Sys stuff) didn't work so hot.
+Path Less Pedaled 9-speed stuff is marked "Mega 9." That's the big giveaway. Mega 9 RDs tend to play nice with Shimano road STI levers; Dyna-Sys doesn't. With that logic, if you want to play by Shimano's rules, Alivio RDs are traditionally your best bet for pairing with road STI levers.
TypeVertigo. Yes the 9sp MTB stuff (thankfully still made) is a good option if you still have the STI levers. For dirty riding the newer Dyna-Sys cable longer pull does offer better shifting reliability when dirt is introduced plus Dyna-Sys makes clutch units available which is super for 1X applications.
Cool tools!!! Question, I have a 10x3 shimano deore system mounted to flats. I recently upgraded to drops and am looking for 10x3 speed shifters that support hydraulic breaking. Any suggestions?
The only company who makes it possible to drive a bulls Copperhead 3 Rs 29 with a dropbar I have to wait for the SRAM shifter with postmounted calipers are the Trp Hylex Rs good for Gravel roads?
Hello, I just subscribed yesterday to your channel and plan to spread the word to my friends to come join me. A quick question. I have a SHIMANO Deore 9 speed RD, an SGS RD-M593, and a 12-36 HG61. Will a traditional SORA STI shifter work with that? Thanks!
Subscriber here in the Philippines. Will the Gevenalle GX be compatible with Shimano Deore m5100 RD? Even if its not Dyna Sys? Because m5100 hyper glide technology
Great Vid, I am looking at a set of these for my Cargo Bike but dose anyone know how they are when braking from the hoods? Do the shifters interfere with the brake leavers?
I did adapt this setup (old downtube friction shifters to brake levers) by myself. Just some cuts and threading. This brand is incredibly overpriced. Thanks for the review.
So does that mean you would choose the same functionality in a brifter if you could? I'm not mocking it, I see the appeal in friction mode. But it seems like a slightly akward solution to the problem.
I would, but that will probably never happen. Indexing is convenient, but it is also the component manufacturer's way to lock you into their group set eco system. Also, it really looks more awkward than it feels. You should try some!
You are probably right! For racing I think the ability not to shift in the hoods would be a problem, and cyclocross-racers at a certain level change bikes almost every round anyways. But I can see the use for entry level cyclocross racers and offcourse long distance touring in remote areas.
Espen - this is basically why we made these, we wanted a good brifter that was just a bit better for the focus of cyclocross. STI are EXCELLENT and better match for road (can shift from drops and no need for fast shifting due to smaller changes in speed of bike) but for cross there are some advantages in using a cx shifter. More shifting ability from hoods (can shift more gears at one time and shift more quickly as well as ability to shift and brake simultaneously). We have used STI for years and sure it is good for cross but it also costs a lot more to fix/replace! As far as performance we have had just two GPCM series races here in Portland this season and both cat 1 races won by riders with our shifter. CX shifters are not perfect but we are happy to be able to offer the option to those who need them.
I have always had a bit of overshift issues with Shimano compatible bar-end shifters. I've used sunrace, microshift, and dura ace ones all of which had the overshift issue which is something I've learned to deal with. I'd be curious if Sram would be any different...
Tyler all these shift levers (SRAM included) use a similar system to shift. Moving the lever will move the chain past the cog a little (to effect a good shift) and then when shift lever is released it falls back to correct position (in line with cog).
Hi Goats! I respectfully disagree. Never had a problem, with quality cables and housing, with my 9 speed Dura Ace bar-end. Shifting was crisp and precise. However it seems like Microshift 9-speed are quite "sloppy", and it's not just over shift that's the problem but ghost up-shifting as well.
trammael, no disagreement from us, we were just stating how the shift levers operate. There are some differences between the SHimano and Microshift bar-end type levers. The Shimano are a 'sealed' (for lack of a better word) system with no adjustment. They are excellent units with good flow between shift points (levers have floppy feel to them between shifts, nice and loose which is good). The Microshift units we base our own levers on, unlike the Shimano allow for user adjustment. We like this as it allows for a very light action to be achieved for shifting. The drawback to this design is that we see all too many of these levers adjusted too tight which defeats the purpose of the design and also leads to the issue noted (some chain rub that needs user input to adjust away).
@pathlesspedaled How are these Gevenalle shifters/brakes treating you these two years hence? I saw a bike on a NBD post on r/bicycling and fell in love with the Gevenalle set, only to find I'd already watched this video once before.
If anyone here has used these shifters, and also used STI shifters, a wolf tooth tanpan, and a shimano MTB derailleur, I'd be curious to hear any insights.
Didn't have too much luck with the tanpan. Used an XTR M9000 derailleur and Ultegra 6800 shifters. It just went out of alignment too easily. Luckily, the latest Ultegra (R8000) and Dura Ace (R9100) mid-cage rear derailleurs unofficially support up to a 40t largest cog without mods, so I'd just buy one of those. There's a new video on youtube demonstrating it (Footsoldier channel).
@@PathLessPedaledTV I have a multi-road frame I brazed myself (nothing fancy). And I was abou to buy a second hand Ultegra-xt-wolftooth set, just as a gevenalle hylex came around. I saw your mullet drive video's and the older gevenalle video... as a person who has been riding 9 speed mountain bikes the last 20 years I am a bit confused. What suits me. Am I a retro Groucho?
@@PathLessPedaledTV what I forgot to mention. 9 X 3 xt doesn't fit. My derailleur collides with the chainstays. So much for my engineering degree and drafting a blueprint.
@@PathLessPedaledTV Thanks for the quick reply! What about the SRAM level hydraulic brakes? Can you recommend road levers for those or should I go straight for a pair of Hylex incl new calipers and some thumb / bar end shifters for my 3x8 mtb?
why wouldn't you use the shimano shifter/brake handlles, except when you love the "quirkyness" of them. the Shimano one's look cleaner, the cables are flush with the handlebars. You can use a handlebarbag without disrubting the shift capabality, whilst disturbing the cable routing.
Because Shimano brifters do not work with their mountain bike rear derailleurs. So if you want lower gearing than their road compact, you are out of luck. Also, it gives you the flexibility to use SRAM rear DRs. So you could use these and potentially run SRAM eagle in friction without buying the SRAM shifter. Also, if you bend a rear dr hanger on a tour it will completely throw off any index shifter, this gives you a reliable backup.
Non-DynaSys RDs work with Shimano brifters of 10-speed or less. I have my gravel bike set up 1x10, with a 10-speed 105 (5700) brifter, mega9 Rd and 10spd 11-36 MTB cassette. It works perfectly, as it should because the cable pull matches.
Is it an independant review or did you receive the shifters for free ? No information about the brakes, how easy is it to connect xt fluid disk brakes to these Tektro levers ?
The shifters were provided for the review, but my views are independent. If you watch the video I do point out several issues with the brakes. These ones in particular work with long-pull brakes, so your standard road caliper or road disc break. They do not make a version that works with XT fluid brakes, though they do have one that works with TRP Hylex brakes.
get di2, you can combine mtb rd with road sti ez pz or get the wolftooth tanpan which changes the cable plul ratio, this is all for 11spd. But please those are udderly disgustang
oh come on! You have a pretty decent yt channel about just bikes and everything that comes with. Im a student who works as a bike mesenger and still managed to save money for di2. You must be able to find a way to get di2 or just some 11 speed shimano stuff with HYDRO breaks . As functional as those shifters are I really could not bear to see them on my bike, so not integraated and not very aero lol. But nice channel tho.
I put these on my Ogre and love them over Barcons. No accidental shifting from your quads when climbing out of the saddle
I like the concept very much. I tend to prefer bar ends to brifters for their longevity and simplicity, so these just seem like more convenient bar ends. Thanks for the very clear overview.
I've been running the 10sp shifters since 2012 and the RetroShift days. One other benefit not mentioned is I get a visual indication of what gear I'm in by the position of the shifter. I run mine with a rapid rise 9sp RD in a 3x10 setup and it works great. Love how easy that rapid rise shifts up on the 45T cog on the cassette and like you mentioned, that can be from many cogs away, just slam the lever over and turn the crank over a few times and it's there. The other advantage of running a rapid rise RD is both shifter move the same direction. That is, higher gears are in to the center, lower gears are to the outside. Of course, there's no rapid rise option in DynaSys.
This video has been out since 2017 and I just now found it ??? Glad I did because these are of great interest to me. I have the perfect cyclocross bike to put these on. I purchased a Retroshift BURD rear derailleur years ago and never used it and it has been sitting in the closet. Now it's finally going to get used. Thanks for the video. I placed my order for these shifters already.
An update to my post 11 months ago, these shifters work perfectly. Indexing is dead spot on for the 10 speed setup I have. The brakes are paired with Yokozuna Hydraulic Hybrid calipers so plenty of brake and no complaints.
Could you do a shop talk with these guys? Would be very cool to see.
These are similar to the Suntour Command shifters, in spirit, from the early 90's found on the GT Tachyon! I like it. Thanks for exposing us to something new (for me) and different. I'm going to try these on my next build.
Yes,and you can switch the shifters with sis shimano indexed and polished ones.....🤔
Thank you for introducing me to Gevenalle! I am building up a touring bike with a Deore XT 3x11 drivetrain and was going to install bar ends from microshift but Gevenalle has attached them to brake levers! Even better, HYDRAULIC - Shimano Road and Dyna-Sys MTB Compatible Shifters with Hydraulic Brakes!! (Heaven, I'm in heaven!) Pure magic! (Cycling from Waterloo Ontario - North of Buffalo, NY - to Halifax Nova Scotia - North of ... Maine? East coast! Next summer. 5,000km 3,000 miles.)
Hii. Can you please post components of 3x11 groupset with exact model number
I have the CX 3x9 version of these on my Surly touring bike, which allowed me to stick with my Alivio 4000 drive chain when I moved to drop bars. I think they're great. If you've used STI shifters before, these are a little different but quite easy to get used to. The shifting is really crisp and accurate and, for me, they hands down beat barend shifters.
I dig them.
How do they compare to sti?
@@Red-ju4mi Just as easy to shift really. They look weirder than they feel to use! After a couple of rides you'll work out the best combination of thumb pushes and finger pulls. It's pretty intuitive...the chain moves in the direction you push the lever.
Thanks for some information on how sometimes the rear derailleur over shifts. I just completed a five month tour across USA found a pair in Ohio. Been stopping at bicycle shops for years hoping that I could find some bar end shifters for my velo orange crazy bars. Always would get the same answer we don't stock them because nobody uses them. After finally finding a pair that came off a long haul trucker. I was amazed how fast and responding the shifts are. There is no mechanical delay from waiting for spings to engage. I have decided to change the bar end shifters to Shimano thumb shift for my tour from Columbia to Argentina. For only one reason and that I was concerned about having bar ends on the crazy bars is that when the bike would fall they go straight in to the dirt. If I every switch to drop bar I will get a pair that you have. So far the new three by nine are working finer then the fur on a frog's butt. I hope they are still great after seven thousand miles to the other end of the world. I will miss the bar end ogre shifting gears like I was on a old tractor.
You're going from Columbia University all the way to Argentina?
Gevenalle CX shifters. Love it.
I have 2 sets in 10 and 11spd.
And i will definitely get one!👌🤙
I have a non-DynaSys version of the Gevenalle shifters on one bike and like them quite a bit, but only after replacing the stock Microshift shifters with Shimano's equivalent.
The Microshift ones indexed very poorly for me, no matter what either the shop or I did. We checked cable tension, derailleur hanger alignment, and so on, but no dice. On one ride, it got so bad that I switched it to friction for the rear, only to find that it readily, rapidly, and repeatedly loosened the bolt that held the shifter on, so it would only stay in gear for so long. Popping Shimano's equivalent shifter onto the Gevenalle levers worked like a charm.
I only more recently learned about using purple threadlocker for my Rivendell Silver and Dia-Compe friction shifters on other bikes to prevent the bolts from loosening, but it's too little, too late for the Microshift ones.
I had DynaSys compatible Microshift 10 speed shifters installed on Paul Thumbies on a Jones Loop bar for a while and the indexing was crap as well. It would never stay shifting accurately for long, and I ended up using them in friction mode only, finally dumping them for 9 speed Ultegras. Those Microshift shifters would be the only deal-breaker for me on these. I really love my Jones Loop bars, but I've been considering one of the new breed of gravel bike type drop bars for a future bike build - maybe Salsa Woodchippers or something similar. I also kind of wonder how these Gevenalle shifters would work on a mustache bar setup.
There are no non-dynasys 10sp or 11sp Shimano MTB drivetrains.
Hi Russ,
I just built up a steel 18spd Rando bike with the "Audax" variant of the Gevenalle levers. So far I'm loving the simple setup and the peace of mind I get from knowing as long as I have a cable I can easily and quickly fix a broken cable in the middle of a ride many km's from home! I'm new to friction shifting but once I got over the initial shock and loss of muscle memory I was soon enjoying the ability to sweep the chain from one side of the cassette to the other and the infinite trimming possibilities of the front derailleur too. I'm sure I will be using these for many years to come and will be experimenting with an 11spd cassette in the not too distant future too!
Great video BTW! ;o)
Good to know about the friction shifting option for if (or in my case when) you smack something and send your shifting out of kilter
I've had the 1x10 shifters for a few years now and mine too have the overshift problem. Mine is a little different though and doesn't just rub, sometimes it actually shifts down an extra gear with just one click. I then have to trim it a bit to get it to go back up. Definitely annoying during a cross race but not so much for commuting and road riding.
Clarencebobarence, thx for using our shifters. THis issue sounds like it is caused by the shift lever being set a too loose. We set these at time of assembly in an 'average' position but each drivetrain is different and can need tailoring to. Use the 4mm hex bolt on the front of the lever and give it a 1/4 turn clockwise to tighten and repeat as necessary. If issue continues please email us directly and we can assist. Cheers, The Goats
this is exactly what i needed to see! thanks so much, these give me the confidence to go anywhere with my touring bike project
Great vid. Funny now that you are not in Portland this one comes out :) I have been running with mine for approx.1 yr. Love them. Agree with the break in period and adjusting the way you shift. They are so reliable. They are a great conversation piece, if someone is interested. I consider putting them on my next road bike as it will be used primarily for randonneuring. Thanks for your review.
Yeah. Picked them up in Portland but wanted to wait until after we settled from the move before filming.
Im thinking about converting my singlespeed with hylex to a 1x11 geared touring/randoneuring setup. I just cant quite make up my mind between the Gevenalle solution or a bar end shifter. I very much like how the Hylex hoods feel and Im not really sure I would like the braking with the shifter changing the ergonomic feel of the hoods and lever, also imagine some of the shifter posissions can be a bit awkward. At the same time Im not sure if I will like having to leave the hoods to shift with a bar end shifter.
I test rode a bike with these shifters and found that when shifting, particularly in one direction (can't remember which) I would actuate the brakes. That is the brake levers would pivot down somewhat. It was a bit unnerving but most likely operator error. In any event, like STI , I don't like the shifting as part of the brake lever. Much prefer bar end or Campy Ergo
Funny thing, it happens to me from time to time with modern Shimano GRX brifters
These look like the answer to my needs.reliability in gears and shifters plus the ease of use.
OH WOW this is great l just put tektros on my old road bike with kona CX bars and converted to a 1x and shimano MTB bar click shifter on the tops because my old friction shifters wasnt holding the gears ,slipping out . l love the Tektro levers feel too and this might be an option for me to shift on the fly without having to move my hands from the tops etc. l m gonna check these out ASAP THANKS
new choice for my gravel bike
Love the gevenalle shifters.
This tells me some of what I wanted to know about these things. Sounds like the friction ones will play nice with my 5 speed suntour derailleur.
I run a 1x11 with a Gevanelle shifter mounted on TRP Hylex brakes on my Trek 920. Absolutely awesome for my needs!
Also for the most part, Dyna-Sys just denotes 10 or 11 speed Shimano mtn. If it’s a Shimano mtn 10 or 11 spd derailleur, it’s Dyna-sys.
You can mostly trust me, I work as a bike wrench full time. 🤘
How about the new Shimano Deore m5100 11Spd RD? Does this have the Dynasys?
Late to the party here,, a few years ago I put these on my dropbar troll built up for some Latin American trips. Have spent months riding fully loaded with them, and really like them. For my use, they are the perfect solution to not wanting to use brifters because of the damage concerns, or also in my case, simply not being fond of bar end shifters. Can't recommend them enough if brifters aren't suited. The nearly or whole cassette sweep is actually pretty darn useful sometimes riding a 80 or 90lb bike in steep terrain. Ģreat design and very much suited to touring.
Yeah. Love these shifters. I think they're totally underrated.
@@PathLessPedaledTV some additions-i too had over shift issues, partly due to my Rd not having a barrel adjuster on it, and I installed an inlne one that wasn't a good one, ie had slop in it and would de-adjust, but I wasn't realizing this. Once I figured this out and put a good one on, shifts were consistent, although like bar ends, a certain slight finesse is sometimes needed. But once cable tension and tension on actual shift lever is good, things became pretty consistent for me. I ride all kinds of shifters, and brifters and triggers are quicker for lots of fast upshifts, but for touring, I find these great.
I have the Dynasys 11 speed compatible hydraulic levers (built around the TRP Hylex system) and I'm generally pleased with them too. I do get a bit of over-shift at times like you mentioned. My most notable issue thus far, however, is the tendency for the rear shifter to slip down a gear when hitting bumps and jostling the RD- both with and without the clutch engaged on my XT unit. It's as if the shifter doesn't have enough friction to counter the cable tension, though this could be a setup issue.
Brent, THx for using our shifters. The Microshift units we use are adjustable via the 4mm hex bolt on the front. If you are dropping gears simply give it a 1/4 clockwise tighten and repeat as necessary until it no longer drops. If you still have issues do please contact us direct and we will be happy to troubleshoot with you.
For a triple FD either Old Ergos (non QS) or Gevenalle. "Ka-thunk" shifters are annoying for trimming and bar-cons stink for light to light sprinting.
Great shifters! I got a set back when they were still called the RetroShift. On my Fargo with Woodchippers I was tired of laying my bike down and the bike shifting. So I thought I'd give these a try. They worked great with bikepacking bags as you mentioned and I also ran them friction most of the time. If I remember right when I had them installed the rear was indexed, but I changed it at some point. I loved being able to shift on the hoods as well as the wide sweep that you mentioned. I'd get them again if I still had a bike setup like the Fargo.
Reliable and made to last forever but I found them too uncomfortable and shifting to lower gears sometimes a bit too hard on the fingers. So I sold them...
I use champagnolo chorus 12s and a shiftmate 2 and trip hy/rd. Soon I will use SRAM Axs system
Hi, does anyone know if this will work with SRAM Eagle 12-speed rear mechs?
I want that 1x 10-50T stuff on my gravel bike.
K Khalifah check out microshift thumb shifter for sram eagle 1x12.
and then buy gavenalle brake lever without shifter. or you can try IRD power ratchet brake lever if you want another option.
mount that microshift shifter to brake lever and you’re done!
It is not necessary to emphasize the Dynasys term. All 10 and 11 speed MTB Shimano drivetrains are of Dynasys type, that's just a fancy marketing term. So, any Gevenalle 10sp Shimano MTB will work with any 10sp Shimano MTB derailleur. Same for 11sp, respectively.
Super like gevenalle gx . I wish i have same shifter to my gravel bike.
All friction... all the time! So what you're saying is... drop bar, friction shift SRAM Eagle build?
+Wild Outdoor Living boom!
I would leave them in friction mode all the time too. It sure is nice to have a shifter that can adapt to drivetrain changes.
Wish these existed when i raced cyclocross back in the day.
Saw these in like 2010 as previous brand, retro shift i think. Loved them back then, newer brand looks nice too.
I just installed my shifter/lever and the BURD front and rear derailleur as my 105 shifters gave up the ghost for the second time with faulty ratcheting leaving me to ride 20km home with no gear option other than in my 11 cog.... nice unexpected training sesh! So I decided to weigh them against the ultegra rear mech and the 105 brifters. The Gevenalle were lighter in all comparisons, a pleasant and unexpected surprise. I also would like to add the just the overall fell of quality and robustness of their build feels better than the shimano. Kind regards and happy cycling to all
Is this gevenalle shifters are compatible with grx rd?
I love mine. I have a set on my Surly Disc Trucker and wouldn't use anything else... I need to gat another pair and get rid of my TanPan (mistakes were made)
Stupid question -- can I run the shifting cables internally? I can only seem to find videos/images of them external over the handlebar area. If I hope to run a handlebar bag I'm wondering if the cables would get in the way. Also just in search of a clean look. Thanks!
External only. I run my cables long and have no prob fitting a handlebar bag between them.
Love this content
can i adjust the brake levers for this?
I’m wondering that since got friction mode on it, could we make the left shifter operates for dropper seatpost shifter instead for fd?
All Shimano 10 and 11 speed SLX, XT and XTR rear mechs are dyna sus, first introduced 2010.
Thanks for the info. I still have a surprising number of 9spd rear Shimano mtb DRs in a box and the first one I tried (not knowing about the Dyna Sys stuff) didn't work so hot.
Deore too. :) Basically all 10-11 speed MTB stuff uses Dyna-Sys.
+Path Less Pedaled 9-speed stuff is marked "Mega 9." That's the big giveaway. Mega 9 RDs tend to play nice with Shimano road STI levers; Dyna-Sys doesn't.
With that logic, if you want to play by Shimano's rules, Alivio RDs are traditionally your best bet for pairing with road STI levers.
Always assumed the Mega 9 was just announcing their awesome 9 speeds and wasn't referencing a specific cable pull action :)
TypeVertigo. Yes the 9sp MTB stuff (thankfully still made) is a good option if you still have the STI levers. For dirty riding the newer Dyna-Sys cable longer pull does offer better shifting reliability when dirt is introduced plus Dyna-Sys makes clutch units available which is super for 1X applications.
I leave my barcons in friction all the time. Might have to investigate these puppies though 👍
Will this work on an Sturmey Archer SRC5?
How to installed it? Did you have any video?
Just got some thx to this video
Cool tools!!!
Question, I have a 10x3 shimano deore system mounted to flats. I recently upgraded to drops and am looking for 10x3 speed shifters that support hydraulic breaking. Any suggestions?
The only company who makes it possible to drive a bulls Copperhead 3 Rs 29 with a dropbar I have to wait for the SRAM shifter with postmounted calipers are the Trp Hylex Rs good for Gravel roads?
Somebody should produce a brake lever with a mount for a downtube shifter!
Have the Gevenalles on my Surly LHT, since 2012. They may actually not be Gevenalles but from the same firm before they changed name... :O
Retroshift
@@PathLessPedaledTV That is it! :-)
Hello, I just subscribed yesterday to your channel and plan to spread the word to my friends to come join me. A quick question. I have a SHIMANO Deore 9 speed RD, an SGS RD-M593, and a 12-36 HG61. Will a traditional SORA STI shifter work with that? Thanks!
Subscriber here in the Philippines. Will the Gevenalle GX be compatible with Shimano Deore m5100 RD? Even if its not Dyna Sys? Because m5100 hyper glide technology
Holy cow! I knew something was different... I'm a "retro-grouch."
I was thinking about them in 2015
Great Vid, I am looking at a set of these for my Cargo Bike but dose anyone know how they are when braking from the hoods? Do the shifters interfere with the brake leavers?
They're fine when braking from the hoods.
I need them
I did adapt this setup (old downtube friction shifters to brake levers) by myself. Just some cuts and threading. This brand is incredibly overpriced. Thanks for the review.
That's the price of producing something outside of China
Great review, although I still don't understand why you should choose this shape over brifters.
+Espen Johansen less about the shape and more about 1) bombproof friction mode 2) ability to use any drivetrain.
So does that mean you would choose the same functionality in a brifter if you could? I'm not mocking it, I see the appeal in friction mode. But it seems like a slightly akward solution to the problem.
I would, but that will probably never happen. Indexing is convenient, but it is also the component manufacturer's way to lock you into their group set eco system. Also, it really looks more awkward than it feels. You should try some!
You are probably right! For racing I think the ability not to shift in the hoods would be a problem, and cyclocross-racers at a certain level change bikes almost every round anyways. But I can see the use for entry level cyclocross racers and offcourse long distance touring in remote areas.
Espen - this is basically why we made these, we wanted a good brifter that was just a bit better for the focus of cyclocross. STI are EXCELLENT and better match for road (can shift from drops and no need for fast shifting due to smaller changes in speed of bike) but for cross there are some advantages in using a cx shifter. More shifting ability from hoods (can shift more gears at one time and shift more quickly as well as ability to shift and brake simultaneously). We have used STI for years and sure it is good for cross but it also costs a lot more to fix/replace! As far as performance we have had just two GPCM series races here in Portland this season and both cat 1 races won by riders with our shifter. CX shifters are not perfect but we are happy to be able to offer the option to those who need them.
The overshift problem is something that I have on all my bar end shifters. It's not you :)
I have always had a bit of overshift issues with Shimano compatible bar-end shifters. I've used sunrace, microshift, and dura ace ones all of which had the overshift issue which is something I've learned to deal with. I'd be curious if Sram would be any different...
Tyler all these shift levers (SRAM included) use a similar system to shift. Moving the lever will move the chain past the cog a little (to effect a good shift) and then when shift lever is released it falls back to correct position (in line with cog).
Hi Goats! I respectfully disagree. Never had a problem, with quality cables and housing, with my 9 speed Dura Ace bar-end. Shifting was crisp and precise. However it seems like Microshift 9-speed are quite "sloppy", and it's not just over shift that's the problem but ghost up-shifting as well.
trammael, no disagreement from us, we were just stating how the shift levers operate. There are some differences between the SHimano and Microshift bar-end type levers. The Shimano are a 'sealed' (for lack of a better word) system with no adjustment. They are excellent units with good flow between shift points (levers have floppy feel to them between shifts, nice and loose which is good). The Microshift units we base our own levers on, unlike the Shimano allow for user adjustment. We like this as it allows for a very light action to be achieved for shifting. The drawback to this design is that we see all too many of these levers adjusted too tight which defeats the purpose of the design and also leads to the issue noted (some chain rub that needs user input to adjust away).
Where does the return spring for the brake lever go?
@pathlesspedaled How are these Gevenalle shifters/brakes treating you these two years hence? I saw a bike on a NBD post on r/bicycling and fell in love with the Gevenalle set, only to find I'd already watched this video once before.
Love them. Fave alt shifter.
What is the name of bar tape on handlebar in military style?
"a handfull of rides to get used to it" - AHAHAHA
underrated
Is braking from the hoods comfortable or do the shifters get in the way?
Comfortable.
Does the derailleur come with a clutch?
If they come with hydraulic levers... I am sold on them :).
Do they!?
They have a pair that work with the TRP hybrid hydros.
What Russ said. TRP Hylex.
If anyone here has used these shifters, and also used STI shifters, a wolf tooth tanpan, and a shimano MTB derailleur, I'd be curious to hear any insights.
Didn't have too much luck with the tanpan. Used an XTR M9000 derailleur and Ultegra 6800 shifters. It just went out of alignment too easily. Luckily, the latest Ultegra (R8000) and Dura Ace (R9100) mid-cage rear derailleurs unofficially support up to a 40t largest cog without mods, so I'd just buy one of those. There's a new video on youtube demonstrating it (Footsoldier channel).
Can the left shifter be configured to change the Rear D?
@RollinRat Thanks. I will try this soon.
do you have problem when pull the brake then you accidently shifting?
No.
Are you still using them? I am considering the hylex 1x11. Would you still recommend them after 2 years? Or are there better systems around?
Depends by what you mean by better? For what they do they're great.
@@PathLessPedaledTV I have a multi-road frame I brazed myself (nothing fancy). And I was abou to buy a second hand Ultegra-xt-wolftooth set, just as a gevenalle hylex came around. I saw your mullet drive video's and the older gevenalle video... as a person who has been riding 9 speed mountain bikes the last 20 years I am a bit confused. What suits me. Am I a retro Groucho?
@@PathLessPedaledTV what I forgot to mention. 9 X 3 xt doesn't fit. My derailleur collides with the chainstays. So much for my engineering degree and drafting a blueprint.
will they also work with my XT 8 speed cassette?
yes.
@@PathLessPedaledTV Thanks for the quick reply! What about the SRAM level hydraulic brakes? Can you recommend road levers for those or should I go straight for a pair of Hylex incl new calipers and some thumb / bar end shifters for my 3x8 mtb?
I think barend shifters are better because of hidden cables
can not agree more,
why wouldn't you use the shimano shifter/brake handlles, except when you love the "quirkyness" of them. the Shimano one's look cleaner, the cables are flush with the handlebars. You can use a handlebarbag without disrubting the shift capabality, whilst disturbing the cable routing.
Because Shimano brifters do not work with their mountain bike rear derailleurs. So if you want lower gearing than their road compact, you are out of luck. Also, it gives you the flexibility to use SRAM rear DRs. So you could use these and potentially run SRAM eagle in friction without buying the SRAM shifter. Also, if you bend a rear dr hanger on a tour it will completely throw off any index shifter, this gives you a reliable backup.
Non-DynaSys RDs work with Shimano brifters of 10-speed or less. I have my gravel bike set up 1x10, with a 10-speed 105 (5700) brifter, mega9 Rd and 10spd 11-36 MTB cassette. It works perfectly, as it should because the cable pull matches.
On the other hand Gevenalle is a very viable option if you want triple with hydraulic brakes. I'm seriously considering it.
does it work with alfine 11 Speed HUB????
Don’t know. It will probably shift it, but not very accurately.
they have a model for the Alfine 8 on their site.
Is it an independant review or did you receive the shifters for free ?
No information about the brakes, how easy is it to connect xt fluid disk brakes to these Tektro levers ?
The shifters were provided for the review, but my views are independent. If you watch the video I do point out several issues with the brakes. These ones in particular work with long-pull brakes, so your standard road caliper or road disc break. They do not make a version that works with XT fluid brakes, though they do have one that works with TRP Hylex brakes.
get di2, you can combine mtb rd with road sti ez pz or get the wolftooth tanpan which changes the cable plul ratio, this is all for 11spd.
But please those are udderly disgustang
Awesome. Please send money so I can do that!
oh come on! You have a pretty decent yt channel about just bikes and everything that comes with. Im a student who works as a bike mesenger and still managed to save money for di2. You must be able to find a way to get di2 or just some 11 speed shimano stuff with HYDRO breaks . As functional as those shifters are I really could not bear to see them on my bike, so not integraated and not very aero lol.
But nice channel tho.
Honestly. You probably make more money as a messenger than we do as a youtube channel.
RIP but hey at least we both ride bikes
Seems sorta crude compared to the shifting solutions the big three (Shimano/Sram/Campy) offer...
Crude but has distinct advantages over them.
The overshifting...check your dropout alignment.
Alignment is fine. Known issue with Microshift.
Dyna sis 10 speed and up
Is Deore M5100 RD have a Dynasys?
@@raketeros221 yes