The Most Versatile Mic Pre You’ll Ever Need? 5025 Dual Shelford + FREE Multitracks
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Rupert Neve Designs is proud to announce the 5025 Dual Shelford Mic Pre, a limited edition 2-channel microphone preamplifier based on their best-selling Shelford Channel. Production will be limited to just 300 units.
“The Shelford Channel is the definitive evolution of the original technologies found in Rupert’s classic modules like the 1073, 1064 and 2254, advanced and refined for the modern engineer,” says the company. “The Dual Shelford offers the sonic excellence of two Shelford mic preamps in a single rack space - simply put, these are two channels of the finest microphone preamplification in the world.”
Like Rupert’s well-known designs from his time in Little Shelford, England, the Dual Shelford Mic Pre utilizes custom step-up transformers on the microphone inputs, which provide the first 15dB of gain. “While the majority of the harmonic richness found in Rupert’s designs is a product of the output transformer and surrounding class-A amplifiers, this custom step-up
input transformer also imparts a unique musical enhancement of its own,” says Rupert Neve Designs. According to the company, this is primarily a result of its reactive impedance characteristic and how that interacts with the connected microphone, “resulting in subtle, non-linear harmonic enhancement of the lows and an unmistakable sweetness in the high
frequencies.”
The Dual Shelford Mic Pre also features 72dB of low-noise class-A gain, a sweepable high-pass filter, the company’s well-known Silk Red and Blue circuit for two flavors of customizable harmonic saturation, and the dual output level transformers originally developed for the Shelford Channel. The -6dB output from these custom transformers “allows the engineer to hit the ‘sweet spot’ of the output stage more easily, adding rich harmonic character without clipping the next device in the chain.”
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What are some of YOUR favourite mic pre's? Comment below!
Sytek MPX4a, Focusrite ISA
CAPI 312 and Hairball LOLA
Telefunkens, Seimens, TAB, and CAPIs or old APIs. Helios, and Soundtechniques, but ya can hardly find them.
Your Cadacs might beat em all. I haven't tried them, only heard them.
If I want clean, John Hardy twin servo.
Thanks for the video, looks like a nice unit!
Avalon M5, A-Designs Pacifica.
I'm using strips for tracking, 2 Shelfords or 2 portico's or 2 LA 610's are my main choices. Shelford for color, Portico for Cleaner, 610's for tube dark color. I want retro poewerstrips next X2 next. After the strips I go into the RND MBP for a touch of series compression and treatment or another level of parallel. Also Chandler stuff is on my bucket list. Oh yea and tree audio.
Finally a company that used the word "silk" with very good reason! and those MULTITRACKS! What talent.
Haha yes, indeed
I saw this this morning, and 🤤. I think my Chandler TG2s are my most “special” pres, but the RND stuff has an amazing balance between the wide open modern stuff and the vintage mojo.
Fantastic Melissa!
Thanks warren for someone whos far from home now that can't pick up the instrument yet. Free multitrack is the best healing ever
Glad to be able to help
I've had the RND Shelford Channel for around a month now. I think I got the LAST demo unit from Sweetwater RIGHT before RND went up on their pricing! So now I have another reason to keep it no matter what! They certainly are nice!
Fantastic! Thanks ever so much for sharing!
Same here.. I was quite pleased when I looked back at Sweetwater and saw that the price went up $500.. I think this channel strip will gain value over the years similar to the 1073.. This is after all Ruperts final masterpiece. RIP ❤️
What a beautiful performance by both singers, they looked like they were having so much fun!
Thanks ever so much Robert!
I would love to have one on my desk, purely as an ornamental piece so I could marvel at the sheer beauty of it.
Haha I hear you!
well the multitracks are already the best giveaway...thanks again to all the PLAP team!!!😎😎
Wow! Thanks ever so much
You bastards, grown men don't cry!
Beautiful song and beautiful tones though!
Haha I do! Maybe I'm not grown? Haha
We used to come for the gear and stay for the music! 👍 Top Musicians!
Thanks ever so much
The power supply is critically important for a couple of primary reasons. One, the power supply must not introduce noise into the amps and other circuits in the design. This is especially true in a mic pre where we have very high gain amp stages at the input.
Second, the supply voltage must be well regulated to ensure low distortion overall.
Third, the supply voltage determines the headroom or output amplitude that is possible without clipping and distortion. So if you have an amp with supply rails at plus and minus 15 volts the most you can get out of the amp without clipping is 30 vp-p.
Doubling the supply voltage may be required for the circuit design, to provide the proper voltage for any integrated circuits in the design, to allow more sophisticated voltage regulators to be employed and more. It also may be a way of providing all the voltage you need for clean undistorted amplification and voltage levels used to manipulate the characteristics and type of distortion that is desired when adjusting the silk controls. You can create non linearities (a fancy way of saying distortion) in the signal chain depending on what tone or type of distortion you are after by futzing (that’s a technical term) with the supply voltages.
There’s more but that’s my two cents off the top of me noggin. 😎
Love your channel and thank you!!
Thanks ever so much for sharing! Fantastic info!!
Thanks so much for sharing!
@@leefchapman you Rock!
I once used a Chameleon Labs clone of a Neve 1073. It ran on +/- 16v rails, versus my Seventh Circle Audio clones, which run on +/- 24v rails. Running a hot bass DI in to the Chameleon Labs, I could not get it to not distort (and it was ugly clipping, not pleasing harmonics)! Running it into my SCA clones, I got pure bass bliss. Hell, I have to ABUSE the SCA pres to get them to clip! I don't know that the power supply voltage was the deciding factor, but certainly that was one difference between the two units.
@@soundman1402 This would definitely add headroom which leads to much higher levels required before you hit clipping point. Yes this type of distortion is NOT silky. 🙂
I wish they would make a two channel version of the Shelford channel. If you work alone in the studio,and don't record more than two tracks at a time, that would be just as good as having a complete 5088.
Yes, that makes perfect sense
Nice review. I own two Shelford Channels 🖤 I also own four RND 5211, which are half the price of the 5025 and sound incredible. The main difference is 5211 has a “transformer-like” amplifier on the input and a transformer on the output, including Silk options, -6db option, same gain levels, where the 5025 has transformers on both the input and output. You can’t go wrong with any of them but 5211 is really incredible bang for the buck and gets you the beautiful and genuine RND sound. .
Is there a huge difference in the weight of recordings between the two units?
@@LashonEvans216 No. 5211 and 5025 are very similar. Same output transformer. You can also drive the 5211 output into harmonic distortion and it has both the -6db and regular outputs a well.
I enjoyed mixing the last multitrack. this one's is going to be fun too. thanks for making it available. more like this please :)
You’re very welcome
Fantastic. One of the best videos on this channel
Thanks ever so much
A few years ago I wished this existed. I got the RND 5211 instead and I have to say I absolutely love it. Best mic pre for my needs I've ever experienced. It is so clean with an incredible definition of transients, a very tight and big low end and yet when the pre is pushed and with silk added (only red in the 5211) the magic really opens up. Truly a versatile tool. My BAE 1073 now gathers dust! I wonder how much more mojo the input transformer delivers in this shelford though...
Great question. I don’t think it would be a huge difference but the lack of the blue silk on the 5211 is the big difference between the two I would assume. I used the 5211 extensively and got vocals out of it that were indistinguishable from my original 1064! That impressed me.
Sounds great!! What a beautiful performance of that song! Well done!
Thanks ever so much
What a great rendition Warren! I really like the way you all performed this song
Thanks ever so much
Hi Warren, Wow, a great performance, amazing sound and review, Thank you, all the best.
Thanks ever so much Darren
Ohh its so pretty. I dont know much about impedence and gain staging but I feel my microphones are slighly happier when going through an external pre amp ahaha !
Yes, indeed!
Warren, You're my hero. Love all the content you did and really really get benefit as and mixing mastering engineer from your channel. I swear to travel to your studio one day! greeting from Thailand! and see you my master!
Thanks ever so much! That's very kind of you!
@@Producelikeapro I’m working on the multitrack, and I would tell you that your gave us really good sources! Thanks ever so much and hope you enjoy and save my Master!
My Coil Audio 286s is my favorite (amazing tube sweetness), but I’m a big fan of my AML EZ-1073 and CAPI VP28 Platinum as well. None of them are as versatile as this, but they’re all wonderful in their own (saturated) way!
Fantastic! I had the Coil, didn't get enough time to use them to review them though.
Such a rad video. The pre is #1. This recording is🔥
Thanks ever so much
great version of a fabulous song! the vocals are awesome
Thanks ever so much
It's the Great River MP-2NV for me now. Daking Microphone Pre IV for years on years, and the very special D. W. Fearn MP-2, which every microphone preamplifier lover who records acoustic music should experience for themselves. That Neve sounds really nice, of course.
What a performance ♥️ and that pre sound amazing
Thanks Ronny!
Basically, with double the supply voltage, you have increased headroom so the preamp will be able to handle louder peaks without clipping. I think this is why they have provided the -6dB output. -6dB is half the output of 0dB, electrically, so at the -6dB output you sort of undo that extra headroom if you push the pre harder to get the same output level as you had at 0dB. So that output is effectively more like the classic units headroom relative to the same output levels.
Thanks for sharing!
I'm big on Harmonie...what a preformance! Bravo Bravo.
Thanks ever so much
Glad you enjoyed it
Warren, thanks so much for your enlightening channel, infectious enthusiasm, and deep knowledge. I'm struggling to hear differences on phones but will try my proper system now. I'm suddenly struck with gratitude for being a brass man instead of a singer: I can play my heart out without screwing up my face or writhing my arms (actually on the trombone I do writhe a bit come to think of it...). I hope YOU are marvelously well--I salute you!
Love the geeky stuff. Thanks Warren!
Thanks ever so much
They rock this joint!!! Excellent universal music, this what makes the world go around, so nice to hear harmony in it's purest form, great job!!! 👍
Sounds great! A wonderful review as well
Thanks ever so much
When great singers meet great gear ❤
Thanks ever so much
It’s so good. I haven’t felt this excited about a new addition in a long time.
These are amazing for drums, by that I mean you can use the blue for kick and toms, maybe snare (which can also benifit from some red) and then red on all the cymbals. So versatile and when cranked its by no means sublte, but still sounds frickin awesome. No surprise, Rupert is builds amazing transformers! The guy was just amazing at building gear. God speed Mr Neve!
Lovely demonstration. Thank you for taking the time!
You are so welcome!
Hi Warren. That was a great demo. I was wondering if you ever get hold of a NEVE 1073OPX 8. Could you do a demo? Especially on drums! cheers
Yes, that would be great to do!
Sounds so sweet! Classic tones in a classic tune 🤘
Marvellous!
Floored. Great demo! Literally just ordered this. Hope I sound half as good as this. Thank you, Warren!
Anything Neve is incredible. but I’ve heard you make recordings on much cheaper interface units and they also sound amazing. I need a Warren not a Shelford. 😂
Haha thanks ever so much
I have a pair of Shelford Channels and can attest to their brilliance, particularly when I use them in stereo. I will never let them go. $4k for just the preamps though?…wow…I just don’t know about that given how much more you get for the whole tamale, and the cost of the similar BAE would be a little more than half that. Awesome gear nevertheless.
Thanks for the great comment! Yes, this is just a limited addition, they are making 300 of them only. If it was mass produced I'm sure they could bring the price down
Yea, the compressor on the channel strip is incredible.
Do you use two on your mix bus?
@@barneyrubble8255 Yes!
@@bbgstudios Does it work really well on mixbus? I have one, thinking of getting another
Really strange that you posted this song today! I was listening to this song last week and noticing how clear and deep the bass was. I searched for and looked for what I could find on the Miami studio credited with most the Bee Gee's disco stuff but couldn't find an answer to my question. My question is, did they record the bass directly into the board? It sounds remarkably clean compared to a lot of material from that decade. Was recording the bass directly even more common than we even think it was? I think of all the musicians searching for guitars and amps to replicate sounds that had more to do with the studio gear. I'm thinking of the Motown bass and guitar sounds. The Capitol reverb sounds on a Buck Owen's recording. People buy the big Twin Reverb they see Buck playing, but it doesn't sound like the same amp without that Capitol chamber reverb.
I love this song! Such a huge fan! Thanks for your great comment
@Liam Fitzgerald I don't know but you might ask Michael Laskow at Taxi A&R in Calabasas, he worked at Criteria in the 70s
I just read your edited comment. Yes, many times the bass was recorded directly, especially in Motown!
What a performance!!!! Amazing review!!!
Thanks Ady!
My favorite mic pre is a deep breath! Good stuff Warren and team!!
Nice! Awesome! Thank you!
Awesome review and demo! Would love to know how close the RND 511 pre's get to the Shelford sound!
Marvellous question!
In my studio I use an UA 6176 and an BAE 1073 , with a Brauner VMX MIC and a Shure M7B - it sounds great - but I love also the UA UNISON pre' s in my Appolo X8 with the software pre's -for me it sounds also great ! Greetings from Austria / Carinthia !
Great sounding track. I'll definitely take a crack at mixing it. Bummer there is no giveaway on this one!
They only have made 300, it’s a limited edition.
@@Producelikeapro I know but I can dream can't I?
@@scottakam I hear you! I want one too!
Great review as always, thanks Warren! This pre is ranking high on my buying list. One of topic question: why did you return your Genelec 8351Bs and a subwoofer?
Ye
I need to get the new sub for the new speakers! In the meantime I'm using my trusty 1032's!
THIS IS THE BEST GOT DAMN DEMO OF THIS CHANNEL STRIP!!!!🤭🔥🔥🔥🔥OMG!!👍🏾
Thanks ever so much
i personally liked the off setting besides that amazing performance and mix :)
Cool, thanks for sharing you opinion!
Thanks, great review. I preferred this sample song with 'Silk off'.
Glad you liked it!
Sounds SO delicious!
Thanks
The harmony's drives me NuT's just beautiful.
This looks awesome but ima opt for the Shelford channel instead. I need the DI/mic/line input selection.
Thanks for sharing!
Beautiful. You all did an excellent job with this song. :)
Thanks ever so much
Jesus Christ. Killer track 😉
Thanks ever so much Chris
I have a Shelford and and Aurora GTQ2. I'd choose another GTQ2 over the 5025. It sounds every bit as good as the Shelford and is significantly cheeper. That said, I'll be getting a second Shelford eventually as well. I love them both!!!
You can go wrong with Neve baby. Always sexy sound
Yes, Rupert was amazing!
Today, I ordered 5025♥️
Wonderful!
come here for the gear but OMG😮 What a great job from everyone!!
Man your really good at what you do.
Thanks ever so much Doug!
You say these can get really clean, but how do they compare to the 5211?
I haven't done a direct comparison!
@@Producelikeapro it would be nice to see if the input transformers and meters are really worth the extra $2000 investment.
@@sincerelytsie yes, indeed!
Knobs looks cool.
Fabulous
The multitracks are a Steve Maggiora bgv tour de force! Wow, what nice backgrounds in this!
On another note, back in the '80s a band I was in recorded an entire album with the drummer laying down kick, snare, toms, and overheads in separate passes -- for every song. Can you say, "What groove?" This was a good drummer, but you can't get their natural feel when making them play like this. (I know some great records _have_ been made this way; but it's so debilitating -- unless you're going to quantize everything to the grid.)
Wundervolle Musik, tolle performance, und der neve preamp ist so toll, da wollte ich im Lotto gewinnen!
So, from what I can see, with an apollo twin for example, you would take the outs from the 5025 into the Twin's mic pres. Would that be standard practice or is there a better option?
You would use the line inputs for your Interfaxe from the mic pre
Thanks
@@stuartsmith3303 you're very welcome!
Beautiful song
Thanks ever so much
Just Amazing!!!!
Fantastic Darren!
Hopefully you can answer this question- I’m on a budget, I’m considering a BAE 1073, or the Shelford. I only record my own music, it’s Rock/Pop/ Modern Country. I’m looking for that huge vocal sound that is wide and thick, not loud by volume. You’ve done videos on both units and speak highly of both. Which would you choose if you could only have one?
I am in the same situation.
Love Rupert neve products ！！！
Yes!
RND is a name I would dream to have products from. Galvanic isolation is / was Mr Neve's forte with these Transformers. With a pair of racked RND 5052's going for $7000, this sounds like a great deal for the rich and the lucky ha ha ha. No seriously the RND gear sounds awesome ( on the various multitracks I have heard ) maybe one day I'll get a few bits and pieces. I have a few older Focusrite pre's, the Platinum Tone FActory and the Platinum Twin Track. They are channel strips but have alot of function and sound really good. The twin Track has 2 pre's and when you hit the stereo link button you can make the Lewit LCT 040 matched pair sound pretty dam good. Nice video, Cheers Oh and before I forget....my fav pre's ( not that I have many to choose from ) Is my Universal Audio 4-710d, don't think I will ever sell that. Its to good as an all rounder with fabulous DI's
I'll take 12 units, please 🙂
Haha I hear you!
Hey Warren, been looking at the 5025. Have a 5211, and it sounds very like your demo (heard through my MK studio monitors). I don't have the blue silk, only red, have only led meter, which actually functions perfectly and it isn't called "Shelford". What more do you get for the extra 1500 dollars ? You are my "go to" , when looking for new gear. Keep up the good work ;)
This is my question, too.
When you say as much gain as possible then trim the output down - makes sense if you want max pre-ness. One question though, how high is 'max' input gain? Until it breaks up then back off a touch, or based on the VU meter or?
Cheers
I apologize if I'm wrong about this, but my understanding from my RND 5015 mic pre, is that the "Trim" isn't a trim at all, it's merely a fine adjustment for the gain. That's what it says in my manual at least. Did I miss something, or did they change the design? If I understand correctly Warren is using it as an actual "Trim" like you might see on a mixing desk.
Yeah, I was a bit confused by that as well, my understanding is what you said, not what Warren mentioned.
You are correct Joe! I spoke to the company and yes, that is how it works!
Yes, that is how it works Ernest!
@@Producelikeapro Thanks for clearing that up. Keep up the good work!
@@Producelikeapro Thanks for confirming Warren. Happy Thanksgiving!
I'm hearing something ugly on the ride, so kind of resonance around 400Hz. What's the cause of this? Heavy EQ is not doing a lot to fix either.
Edit: by the way, thanks so much for sharing this video and the tracks. Really helpful learning experience, and lovely material to work with.
I like Silk Red 100% and Silk Blue/Red @50% on Vocals.
Thanks ever so much for sharing
I wish try with the aes ebu protocol, for see the behavior of the clocking protocol, as always cheers
Hey Warren! I enjoy your videos immensely. Thank you! I actually met you once in person and though I knew I had seen you before (here) I didn't put two and two together. Point is your charisma and genuine personality, which comes across here in the videos, makes me now trust and appreciate your commentary in this platform. And that's why I am writing this: I have a question... I am starting to build my studio after I sold it all years ago (had great stuff... api, crane song, dangerous music, focals, HD I/O, etc).... I am thinking of having a great interface (kinda settled on the Prism) but want two preamps or channel strips for tracking/mixing/summing. I am thinking of a pair of RND Shelford Channels so I can track, run tracks out of the box through them, and potentially run mixes through them even if just for the comp and silk... Would you go this way or (my other choice) a couple of BAE 1084s? Obviously, I wouldn't have a comp, but I could add one later on, maybe the RND Masterbus Processor? What's your take/advice? Thanks!
That’s a tough choice! Both pairs of Pre amps are amazing!
Maybe the Shelford have the edge for that particular job.
If it were perky tracking I’d say it’s a dead heat
@@Producelikeapro thanks for such prompt reply, Warren! I am leaning in the direction of the RNDs… maybe later on I can add a BAE pre and run through the EQ abs Comp of the RND. Every time I hear them I am floored at the hugeness and thickness of the sound. RND may be a bit more versatile? Dunno… anyway, thanks for the response!
Hey Warren I noticed that you are back to using the Genelec's and the Kali's would love to hear your thoughts on keeping the Genelec's. I love your channel.
Everything sounded great! What was the vocal chain after the mic preamp? Thanks
What studio monitors are you using now?
I had the Genelec 1032’s up for this
Bravo!
Who is the graphic artist whose work is behind you? It's lovely!
My daughters drawings?
@@Producelikeapro That's the stuff!
I've had a Rupert Neve Portico 5012 in the past and I remember whenever I put the trim on +6, it used to add noticeable amounts of self noise. I want to buy the shelford 5025 and I am afraid if it has the same issue. Can you please share your opinion Warren?
**adds to wish list** (someday haha)
Haha I hear you! It’s already gone back! Sadly
Anyone know the difference between this unit vs. the 511, and the 5211?
I don't but great question!
oof, those are some great vocals from both of them, it's making me a little bit jealous, oh well i guess i have to practice some more :-)
The preamp sounds really nice.
Thanks ever so much Alien!
So what are the differences between this and the 5211? Please pardon me but I haven’t watch the entire video yet.
I haven't shot them out to properly comment
@@Producelikeapro I was impressed with the 5211. It is my understanding it is the same topology as the 5088 console channels. Perhaps it didn’t sell as
well as one hoped for and they realized they could use the chassis for this new 5025. Just guessing because if the 5211 was a hit, it wouldn’t make sense to make the 5025 or would it? Anyway, if I am correct, the 5211 will be discontinued soon. Again, pure speculation.
What ... ? We're not going to take it apart? Good demo. Thanks. Great song. Looks like the band really has fun.
Haha then I would have to put its back together properly!
great just great
Thanks ever so much
What do all you all sample these tracks at? Meaning are they just 44.1 KHZ 16 bits CD audio? Or did you guys go Blu-Ray either 96 or 192 KHZ 24 bits.
24bit 48khz I would think
@@chrisibbetson Ah if that's so then that's good too. That's your typical 7.1 DTS HD Master Blu-Ray disk.
@@MrHamit64 yeah they tend to keep most at this rate because its easier on the cpu and accessable to most.
@@chrisibbetson Ah is it really? Ha didn't know that. So 48 KHZ sample rate is easyer on the CPU then? Verry interesting. Perhaps this too then explains why 7.1 BDs are 48 KHZ. Only a few 5.1 BDs go to 96 KHZ. But those also are at LPCM in most cases too.
Great to see Chris helping out!
Thank you for another great video. I realize the focus of the video is the Neve Dual Shelford Mic Pre but I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the amazing recording; everything is so tastefully done - just beautiful. I will definitely be picking up a pair of the Neve Shelford Channels.
Thanks ever so much! I really appreciate it
It has no -20dB pad?
any reason why I don't see your Focal Trio11 BE anymore in your mixing room?
All these words and not a word about which gain settings you used for the vocals/guitars.
Hey! Are not the backing vocals in the download??
Daryl's House has got nothing on you!
Haha thanks Dan!
Pls compare with Neve 1073 , which is better for vocal , thank you
What microphone was used for voice recording?