SELLING My VINTAGE 1073s for This Channel Strip? | Rupert Neve Designs Newton Channel
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The Rupert Neve Designs Newton is not a 1073. I have a few vintage Neve Preamps. A couple of them are vintage Neve 1073s pulled from old desks that were re reracked by Brent Averill before it became BAE. Those pieces have inflated so much in price that I'm wonder if it now makes sense to keep them.... and if the newton gives me the excuse.
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Okay at least it is Made in USA
The RND stuff is just so musical. I'd probably cash out the 1073 and get a bunch of the Newton channels. I have a 16 channel 5088 going into the studio next month and I CANNOT wait!
This "musical" term has always puzzled me. Isn't any piece of hardware used for creating, recording, mixing *music* supposed to be "musical?". It's a pretty ambiguous I think but that's the recording industry!
@@MoreMeRecordingfrom my understanding when someone uses the word “musical” to describe hardware. It’s usually an EQ, and how easy it is to use. Typically the EQ will be fixed at a certain frequency. And you’ll either boost or cut that frequency. Like a maag EQ4M. Another example would be a Neve or API. They give you multiple fixed frequencies so you can decide which one best suits the sound you’re looking for. In other words, the frequencies they choose for you to use will be “musical” in that you will either find frequencies that help cut masking/muddy frequencies (between 300hz to 700hz generally speaking) or bright/intelligible frequencies (between 2khz to 5khz generally speaking) While on the other hand something like SSL would be more of a “surgical” rather than “musical” EQ. Since you can sweep freely through the frequency range to cut or boost very specific frequencies. SSL also has more flexibility with the q band, allowing you to have a very narrow or wide bandwidth to effect the selected frequency. While on the other hand Neve and API being more “Musical” have an auto q band that will independently widen as you boost and narrow as you cut…
Long story short, you’re given “musical” frequencies. If you like what you hear boost it. If you dont, cut it.
@@MoreMeRecording first you must distinguish music from audio. All music is audio but not all audio is music. Lower end gear, like something for a podcast, is not designed to capture music, just audio. Higher end gear designed for music production, tends to have a uphonic sound quality. Simply running your tracks thru a musical sounding device will make your tracks stack in a way that let's the music come through. It is nuanced, but not that subtle.
I sell in a heartbeat. That feeling of, “but now I miss it on the snare” is a think of the past with a rack of RND. That silk, man….
Great vid…and a great “problem”to have! 😂
Blessings, good sir.
The Newton Channel is a new classic. It’s perfect for my vocals I love it. I use a Tubesessor with it sometimes but I love the compressor on it as well.
I haven’t tried the tubesessor. What do you think
@@RecordingStudioLoser it’s really nice although it’s not as transparent as a real CL1B. Even at the classic setting I’m hearing saturation which is supposed to be the cleanest. It makes the vocal really thick which sounds great but is not what I always want. I like that the Newtons compressor is more transparent and I can dial in the silk. It’s not as thick but more present which is better for modern pop.
i just saw the video where you reviewed Heritage Audio Brtistrip, did you sell that to buy this? or what made your switch? people love the 73 sound
@@rickythethird It was a loan like most of the stuff I review. I chose not to keep that one, which was hard because I think it sounds amazing. I felt like the 5211 plus compressor was more my speed because I tend to go for a more clean modern sound. It’s just my style. So the Newton channel is perfect because it’s basically a 5211 with eq and compressor. It’s all I really need. I am going to try out the WA1b soon
Thansk for your reply bro, ive been researching and it seems that the Newton doesnt have a input transmitter, the big brother, Shelford, apprenntly does, so now im debating if i should spend 2 bands on newton or 4 bands on shelford@@jacksp8de
this is just me, but I'd sell the vintage ones. Thing is. You can get a 1073 sound like, anywhere. There's no shortage of reissues and clones, and they all sound great. But having a whole bank of 4-8 full channel strips that give consistent results (and have compression)? That'd be worth it for me. But then again if I had the cash I'd be going for Shelfords 😜
I say keep your vintage gear. I have regretted selling a 1971 and a 1974 100 watt Marshall heads. Thank God I kept my 1972 50 watt head. This all happened in the mid to late 80's. I know these are not the same thing as your vintage Neves but the concept is the same. Once they leave your position it will be hard pressed to get them back or something close to what you had. You can get Newton channels way easier. Besides there will be something new and you wish you had those. Keep your vintage pre-amps is my opinion.
I say SELL! I used to own a 1073 that was used primarily for tracking vocals (and occasional acoustic gtr). I bought a cheap Rupert Neve 5012 off eBay, and in a couple days of use/comparison, I sold the 1073. The 5012 doesn't have eQs, but I do all my eQing in the box, anyways. If I really need to eQ going in (unlikely), I have APIs and Sontec outboard that I can use. I purchased the Shelford channel a couple years ago too as my primary vocal track. I only use the 5012 as part of my mobile/travel setup now, but don't sleep on it. A 5012 that costs about $1000 rivaled my 1073 preamp section, in my opinion!!!
Jeremy you know nothing sounds like those Bae. Nothing. That’s the reason you got them. Everything 1073 can sound similar. But the body on that thing sounds thicker than any other 73. I have both 1084 and 1073. Dream come true. I’d say if you’re goin newer go shelford. You can get another VCA compressor (because newton comp is VCA) if you need.
I think you would miss the BAEs if you sold. I know I would. It’s def my desert island pre.
Not that you are looking for advice here, but here's my thought: Sell. Having several channels from which to track that are consistent across the board (pun intended) vs. two channels that sound different. I don't have a lot of studio-side experience, but from a live workflow, having consistent gear gets consistent results. Knowing how far you can push a knob to get what you want makes it faster to dial in. Of course, if you want to unload those channels I'd trade for the B3 I have... 😅
That kinda my thought.
Great channel, I always learn when I tune in, I'd sell. but that's easy for me to say. You'll never get those 1073's back, but the Newton does sound good. You have a fun decision to make.
Yeah fun…. lol. We will see what happens
I am trying to make up my mind on buying a warm 273-2 two channel and the newton single channel…. I am leaning on the Newton due to the versatility of the silk circuits but would also like the dedicated Neve pres, I may end up getting both.
maybe have the 1073’s looked over - it’s prob just changing out a couple of caps or could replace lots of caps on both to have matched. but for tracking stuff really doesn’t need to match.
I have also heard that the Newton slow compressor is similar to a CL101B if dialed in right.
Get a whole bucket of Newtons, or a few shelfords for the extended eq and diode bridge compressor
Just got my Newton and loving it!
I have BAE 1073MP, no EQ. I love it. Getting another. I think there's definitely something to having that external power supply. I'd love a 1084 if only because they were the pres at Sound City. Great records made on those
The 1084 is insane
You have 2 1073 correct? what if you keep your favorite out of the 2 and sell the other for a few consistent newtons. that way you keep some vintage tone....love your yt channel and thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I've thought about it. Its harder to sell without a power supply. normally they come in pairs with a power supply. I could look more into that option tho
didn't think about the power supply. good point!@@RecordingStudioLoser
I remember seeing Powell at the Brass Rail in Fort Wayne. Really nice guy.
I think a lot of the value comes from what 1073 can do for you, not just monetary value. Yes, you would profit off of selling it for way more than you bought it for. But what an authentic ‘73 does to the sound is irreplaceable in some situations.
No regrets. I sold a mininmoog early sn, a Jupiter 8 with a midi mod, Juno 60, and other stuff. No regrets. Keep what you use.
This has basically the best reviews of new gear of late, but where are you finding it for 1800? Seems to hold strong at 2000.
Mix vocals and a track with both gear,play it for a friend you trust and see what one they like what ever they don’t sale it ,sometime our heart change our ears
I love my Shelford Channel its just Awesome compared to my BEA 1073s !!! They Newton has to be just as good just minis a few things at a great price!!!!
For what it us the price is killer
Have you ever heard any pro studio monitors with a dome midrange? Asking for a friend.
i wouldnt get rid of those 1073's .. having said that , i feel like the newtons are peeerrrrrfect for pop music , fun tunes..
Does it bring in business simply by being in your rack space? Just saying it may have more value to you than just a potential sale. Cheers, good luck!
Nah. Nobody booking sessions because of them.
Newton has good clarity.
so do you think the newton is a good alternative to a bae 1073 and tube tech cl1b chain?
its fundementaly different. When I went on that tangent that was my inner struggle of getting rid of legendary gear i think.
@@RecordingStudioLoser Rupert Neve has said in interviews that he hates that people are so attached to tthe 1073 because he feels like hes invented new better gear lol so i mean i had to ask lol
personally i had a ams neve 1073spx and i went ahead and sold it then got a shelford channel. i have a cl 1b but i actually prefer just the shelford for use with my u87ai
BAE it’s incredibly sweet and pair’s with anything
Sell. Get the Shelfords or Newtons. If you only need a few then I would say Shelford’s. The Shelford’s have the input transformer and more overall options and the meter is awesome.
Love how you can poke into it and push right through. Classic.
The things you say in the mix stay in the mix.
I would sell and get two BAE Neve and Preamps and get two Shellfords if I were you mate. Neve 1073 is clear winner here. But there are even better copies of it like BAE... plus old hardware components will soon die and when you service them they will not sound the same... newer components will change the sound of 1073 cause newer quality components will have less harmonic distortion etc. So sell them while you can at top price mate.
These are BAE. Albeit, pulled out of old desks.
Why no mention of the Neve 8801 Channel Strip?
I haven’t used one.
So what did you do with the vintage gear after? Did you trade it in?
I’ll be honest it’s been so busy since the video i hasn’t had a chance to list/replace them
@@RecordingStudioLoser it also must be a little hard getting rid of of the vintage stuff though, since the new stuff is readily available anyway
I'll buy the 1084
I'd definitely keep the newtons and cash out the 1073!
mac or windows?
what do you prefer; Newton or Shelford?
Shelford. Newton was never meant to be better. It is a teir below to fill in product gap and people more access to RN sound.
What’s the song?
I'm guessing those are repackaged vintage 1073s? How much do they cost? Vintage King only shows reproductions and those are $3125 without PSU.
You can’t find them anymore. The older ones from BAE with the cursive signature, some of those were rehoused units.
Those sell for 5-8k a pop now.
I know this is a totally different beast, but the Mojo on the preamp and the compressor is awesome on the “Gainlab Audio Bishop”
I found it too bright and easily getting harsh, which was similar to other Gainlab gear, so I returned mine.
I just picked up two Newton channels. So far I like them. I won't be selling my Neve gear though.
It’s hard to say no to that kind of return….
@@RecordingStudioLoser I'm talking about my modern Neve gear. Much of my vintage units are long gone.
Ok. Do you miss your vintage stuff? That’s my main concern. Will I miss it when it’s gone, simply because it’s vintage.
@@RecordingStudioLoser Nope. I have no desire for vintage gear simply for vintage sake. I much prefer my modern Neve gear, and just modern gear in general over my vintage stuff. The only vintage gear I'll be keeping is a couple Neumann mics that won't be made ever again: U47 and KM56.
You know as well as I do these are just tools. I need tools that don't need repaired constantly, tools that I can depend on. If I can get an equally great result with a modern piece that's a fraction the cost, I'm going with modern every time.
Furthermore, if it's collecting dust it's time to go. I'm not spending more on insurance for gear I'm not using. I'm not a bank vault.
Seriously helpful wisdom here
I have a feeling you should keep the 1073s. The rising cost is going to make it harder for you to get them back in the future and you will have made a relatively negligible amount of money. If they sound good to you, I don't see why you should sell them.
I cashed out of the 1073s and got 8 Shelford channels.
Oh dang I only have one Shelford. I want more though.
what kinda desk is that?
I built it. Highly inspired by Mark Scibilia’s desk.
You could always keep 1 of the Avril’s
The 1084 will stay
@@RecordingStudioLoser oh my bad I missed that
Don’t sell your gear. You just said it. The price inflated, meaning it’s only gaining value. Whether it becomes obsolete one day, it will still be worth something.
Just trace them into Control hub and get rid of them...
New gear > vintage gear. Always (except in the case of Neumann and AKG mics). Simply because of the component quality.
And the fact that those vintage Neve 1073s have all been recapped, or they desperately need to be. And who knows who did the work and how much they knew about how to refresh a 1073 and not alter its essential color that we all are chasing.
honestly i would sell everything that i see in those racks before selling the 1073s
I compared the Heritage HA73EQ to my genuine Neves and I sold the Neves. I actually prefer the Heritage, they sound smoother. All depends whether you need the word ‘Neve’ on it or not. I think the Newton channel is a flop. Probably sounds great but I’m not paying that sort of dollars for such limited functionality
Then your neves were not up to spec. Heritage sounds harsher and is bandwith limited in comparison to a neve that's in good condition.
@@mirkomarkovic3438 what a load of rubbish. Care to quote the bandwidth ranges of both?
Bro get the shelford channel if you like the newton.
if im not mistaken to shelforsdis the 1073 unless thats the portico
In my opinion… KEEP YOUR GEAR if they’re inflated now they will be worth wayyyy more later. Dont part ways for the right now money.
Both the 73s have punch and the "Neve" sound in the upper midrange (listen to the attacks of the snares), but the Newton does not. I can hear the differences even with speakers of the smart TV. The Newton may sound cleaner but a bit bland and boring, nothing special. Selling genuine 73s could be a bitter experience later. Hope you sold them with good amount of money.
better save it one day you will need it..
sell the fig newton keep the neve, add some Stam
Sell 'em. There's gear that sounds just as good and costs a quarter of what they cost.
I wouldn't sell. If I had those 1073s, they'd have to bury with them.
wouldn't sell them if i were you, not for any amount of Newton's.
Y?
That snare sounds like absolute crap.
Crap in- crap out, no matter what you put it through.
We work for artists. It’s our job to take their preference and input and make it work in the context they want.
This is what I call "Picking the fly S**t out of the pepper" Solo'd you can kinda hear some pretty minor differences between the preamps, but in the context of a mix... you would be hard pressed to find anything to really be passionate about. So much Mic pre hype is mojo voodoo. In context to a mix, the choice of preamp i choose has never made or broke a mix. Sell the vintage, get more utility by more than doubling your Inputs.
For a ridiculously small fraction of the price you can pick up the Scheps 73 plugin from waves, which will get you so close to the sound of a real hardware Neve channel strip that the only people who might be able to hear the difference are those who work in recording studios and have “golden ears”.
We all need to realize how far digital audio has come in the last decade and stop the insanity. I mean, the Newton is $2k, for ONE CHANNEL.
In 20 years that new Neve will be Junk.. the 1073,, will still be a 1073
With no parts to repair it
Sell! Buy the BabyAnimal ba2 !better than a Neve
You're mad, bro. Quick answer: Never sell your gear.
Why? I’ve sold so much gear through the years.
@@RecordingStudioLoser If you're going to sell it, why do you buy it