Shooting on Super8 film: Filming a Test Roll
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
- This 3 part series will go over everything you need to know in order to shoot on Super 8 film.
Part 2 covers your basic Super 8 camera operations and shooting a test roll to see if your Super 8 camera is working properly.
I'd recommend shooting a test roll with black & white reversal film. It will be about half the cost of shooting on color film.
We will dive into that more in Part 3.
Also, I have a bonus episode that goes in-depth on how to ship out your test roll to a film processing lab. It's not the most exciting video, but it will save you some time and trouble of in-depth researching. You can find it on our homepage at...
MovieMagicNow.com
Password = Super8
Please leave comments and questions below, and will try and answer as many as I can.
Special thanks to RYAN TIMMS for letting us borrow his Canon 814 Super 8 camera.
Music by: BIG FOK
Camera by: KYLE PLATZ
In Association with: PBS Digital Studios - Jak na to + styl
This is the coolest shit ever, not even kidding.
Looking forward to part three!
Loved the car rig shots, great work!
Looking forward to the rest of the series. I'm hoping to shoot parts of my next short film using a Canon Auto Zoom 518 camera so this has been extremely educational, thanks!
I'll be shooting a film on super 8 soon so this and the videos coming will be very helpful, thankyou!
loved this tutorial! keep up the great work!
Love it. Thanks again
Thanks for sharing mate
I'm shooting my first Super 8 film (well, the first one after 40 years) this weekend with my "brand new" Canon 1014 XL-S
I am very exited, planning to use all the camera special features, like fading, slow motion, over lapping, 24 fps, single frame, etc...
Unfortunately it will be only silent film, I hope in the future Kodak or Fuji will market sound Super 8 films again.
I picked up that Canon at a yard sale today for five bucks. Looking forward to working more with older formats for transfers. Thanks very much for your series - it's very helpful.
$5! The bargain of the decade.
You’re awesome bruv
Always amazing work. Is there a place to view the short film? Again Solid work!
I always smell the film packet hahaha glad to see someone crazy like myself.
I like your videos I am 45 I remember my grandparents had a cool super 8 camera
Hey Joey, that Galaxy Gulch short looks amazing. Is there any way to watch it somewhere?
i know these videos are two years old but do you think you can give some pointers on using the black and white reversal film?
"Always better to over expose then under expose". Only true with negative film, different story if you're shooting reversal and Ektachrome is available again.
Liked subscribed
Thanks
Probably a dumb question, but could I use a glidecam for super 8 to get the Birdman or the unexpected etc.. effect?
can I use a DSLR to check exposure and then match it with Super 8? Or they have different opinions?
Are there any other cameras from different brands that are Similar to the super 8?
How could you use 500T on a Canon 814 which is only able to auto expose up to 160D/250T? The one solution I came up to is either use external photometer or take a reading at the auto exposition the camera gives you (presuming it thinks you're using 250T) and then switching to manual and closing 1 stop. Otherwise you'd be over exposing 1 stop I imagine (from 250T to 500T)
Where do you ship the film off to to get it developed?
do you use vaseline on the lens of your digital camera? Every time you use the footage from it I feel my vision has gone funky as everything else isn't so blurry.
2:27 The internal filter looks fine to me, better contrast too, and if anything it's less than half a stop difference, and anytime you use an external filter you have more concerns over refraction and added aberration of the incoming image, plus, with the filter close to the gate and lens elements, it is less likely to show up dirt and dust, if you clean your camera properly. I don't think it's a good idea to add filters of any kind to a Super 8 lens, (even internally) nowadays, when you need the maximum light and resolution the lens was designed to provide being focused to such a small area, (and it has the coatings as well on each element). You can add filters in post, and also do much more accurate color balancing in software than that daylight filter will adjust for. I say leave the filters alone, unless you're using the built-in meter outdoors. Even outdoors, if your camera iris will go upwards of f32, why would you even bother with a filter?, and these filters were designed for Kodachrome 40, which did not have as much latitude as you have now with negative stock. A warming filter will do nothing special on Kodak Vision film, anymore than it would on a 35mm SLR, (maybe on Ektachrome it would help a bit).
where could we watch ur film?
Where can you watch the full version of Galaxie Gulch
HOW DID YOU MAKE THAT COMET THING
Did you find out?
czcams.com/video/9gs3XuXcQ2I/video.html
Im really interested in the next part. Was it for the sake of price that you decided to go the filming a projected image over telecine?
Also the canon you have seems to be a workhouse of the super 8 world, any others you'd recommend?
Well, we shot mostly on Color Reversal, so we had to get the Telecine done. I shot just one roll on Black&White. Figured I could get pretty good results with my Sony FS7 and filming a clean white screen. Guess I could have got the Telecine done and compared the two.
I'd keep your eyes out for cameras that have good weight to them, and sound very crisp and clean when you hit the trigger switch. The Yashica Electro 7 I'm using for a B-camera works pretty good, and that has a Ebay value of like 15 bucks.
Option for manual aperture is another big thing to look out for.
+Shanks FX Nice. I'm writing flashback scenes for a feature and some reveals via 8mm in a miniseries. Your videos inspired the look I want to go for. Might pick up that Yashica. Are you thinking of trying to dip into 16mm at any point? Would love to see what you'd be capable of doing with that emulsion
Marker on the barcodes is not a good idea. Some scanners are sensitive enough to read a slight contrast and still capture the bars, plus, crossing out horizontally is not doing anything either. Scanners can read just the tips of the barcode. You need to block out the bars vertically. Best to remove all shipping labels instead. (For many reasons). Also, covering with more labels could be just as bad if you don't use multiple layers. Just a semi-related fun fact. Shipping carriers disregard "fragile" stickers. They state this clearly in their shippers' guide every year. It is because people would use this as an excuse to not pack their shipments properly. Can't afford some bubble wrap? Put a fragile sticker on it!!!!
If you pack your shipment properly, you can ship anything to handle standard abuse without being damaged. (Yes, boxes do get crushed on occasion.). You would be surprised how many people reuse a box to ship and they don't take off the previous shipping label. They end up shipping to themselves. :)
Thanks for the video!!
Hi! Great content in your videos. I'm planning to shoot my own music videos and i'd love to do it in 16mm or super 8. i still have to figure out which one.. any way i was wondering how expensive it would be to do that (cost of the camera, film, developping, digitalizing etc..). the shots would probably very simple like steady shots of nature fields.. so i guess i won't need to film more than an hour or so.. can someone give me a very approximative price range so that i can have a more clear idea ( i know pretty much nothing about filming) Thanks anyway
This is very old so I'm not replying for your purpose as you're probably not even here anymore. At 24fps for 4k in Pro Res 4:2:2 or something similar you're looking at around $130-$150 every 2.5minutes it depends on the lab and where you buy the film.... but that's a rough average. If you're grading it yourself, you're probably running something like $300 for around 5minutes worth of content including the cost of two carts of film. I don't think most songs go for more than 5 minutes.... So it's pricey but affordable at the same time... 100ft of 16mm runs about the same cost, but then you have to find an affordable 16mm camera with a decent lens, the problem is that a decent 16mm camera is much bigger and much more expensive.
A Bolex H16 REX which gets you to something decent from the 1960s with a reflex viewfinder isn't gonna leave you with change from less than $1000, and then you have the extra added issue of learning how to load a reel in the dark because 16mm isn't daylight safe.
I think I missed something, but did he say if you could send in the film to a composite lab for them to convert it to digital?
Dustin Mayle vimeo.com/179472071
Where can you find super8 film,and can you have it developed, and digitized, or do I digitize it myself?
B&H have the best prices, if you shoot with the Black&White film stock, you can project and film the white screen. I sent mine off to Cinelab, check out the bonus video in the video description.
man if you are going to mount your camera to a truck in the dirt it would be great idea to wrap it up in plastic wrap so you are getting dust particle all inside the lens and housing. I mean some cameras are total crap plastic but if its your baby I would be a bit more gentle with it.
F8 F16 split? You mean F11? :p
Joey, please, try to use 16mm after this 8mm experiement - it will be even more educational!
That's the plan, I'm already starting to research a little bit :-)
Thanks, Joey, you're awesome and your videos are very inspiring! Keep going!
P.S: I have the Soviet camera Krasnogorsk 3 16 mm and about 10 packs of old soviet film, hope to get some time and to shoot something as well. I've developed old b&w 35mm film without any problems, so I hope, that I won't have problems with 16mm as well.
Hi can you take the lense off and mount on c mount micro four thirds cameras?? Cheers
Take this from an 'old person' who used to film and produce my own films on Super 8 in the "old days". Don't trust the light meter!! Use FILLER LIGHT or a REFLECTOR if you aren't sure of the light.
Is there a company that makes 16 and 8mm camera's?
Kodak will be releasing a hybrid this fall. Pro8mm (dot.com) refurbishes cameras, check them out.
+Shanks FX sensational, thanks.
Kodak isn't really making them. Looking at the specs it does not look like a house-product. That camera seem to be a re-branded danish Logmar S8 camera or at least building on that system.
5+
Film through x Ray's is always safe
Why does the image always look 'shaky'?
Cameras made for larger formats (16mm and up) usually have metal pressure plates and sometimes registration pins which help to make sure the film is landing in the exact same spot every time the shutter opens.
Super 8 uses wimpier plastic pressure plates (built into the cartridge) and lacks the registration pin so the film often isn't aligned perfectly for each frame, but it varies a lot depending on the camera.
Yeah, missing pressure plate and the fact that Super 8 has only one side of perforations. The problem is even these super expensive metal pressure plates, that some folks sell for super 8 cameras, don't really do anything at all. At least not really a noticeable quality jump. The image still stutters and jumps too much and is far away from being as steady as 16mm.
put dat camera on a gimbal
just bought a bolex +5 cartiges of agfa moviechrome . i'm super exited :)))
Nice, that's a nice camera! Happy filming!
I cannot wait. I look the package every day to see where it is :))
Thanks! @@ShanksFX1
I know you're setting f/9.5 in sunshine, but with such a tiny frame (all of 4.1mm high) you're really losing image quality due to diffraction. Of course such tiny apertures will help to cover focusing errors, but in reality it's much better to use an ND filter and shoot at something like f/4. Interestingly the Canon 310XL uses an inbuilt ND filter to stop the camera shooting at such small apertures for just this reason. Also, (and it's been said earlier), NEVER overexpose transparency film. Blown highlights are never recoverable.
Jesus Crist when is Kodak going to release the super 8
it gonna cost 2500-3000 bucks. better off with few oldies for 15 bucks from eBay