HOW TO SNOWBOARD ON A FLAT BASE... FAST | BEGINNER to EXPERT
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- How to snowboard on flat pistes, how to snowboard fast on a flat base, how to do jumps, and how to get better at snowboarding in powder. Every aspect of your snowboarding will be improved if you can snowboard on a flat base. This is not only for beginner snowboarders, but advanced riders too, don't miss out on this snowboarding tutorial.
So many advanced snowboarders struggle with riding their board on a flat base. This makes it really difficult to ride flat narrow pistes, and if you get it wrong, its super easy to catch an edge. 99% of the time whilst snowboarding we are either on our heel or our toe edge, which is why this third position, riding a flat base, often gets overlooked. Thankfully it is an easy fix, and is usually down to bad posture. If you have any snowboarding tips, or perhaps any snowboarding tutorials you would like me to make, then just drop them down in the comments below!
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For a video specifically on riding flats see the video I'll link at the bottom.
This video however is all about riding a flat base, but this is something you should only do when you're in the fall line. If you need to come away from the fall line then it can be safer to be on edge, as described in the video below. Sometimes being on a flat base is the right decision, but it's all about you as a rider being able to read the slope and make that decision. But riding a flat base is still a vital skill, and will help your overall board control. I know this is a confusing subject, so any questions just let me know! ✌
czcams.com/video/_vDyI-R2L3E/video.html
Hey Malcom! I’ve just gotten a few days on the mountain for my first time in 20+ years! I had a blast and everything came back pretty quickly. However, I felt a little sketchy riding totally flat (not leaning on a toe/heel edge), which lead me to this video. I guess more time on the mountain with a “practice” mindset will help, but am I wrong feeling like riding flat can cause me to slip out or catch an edge? Thanks!
That dog adds a pleasant factor to any of your videos! Hahaha, it's a great "detail".
Hes the only one happy that the lifts are shut, he gets to walk up and down all these slopes with me!
@@malcolmmoore Hahaha, what a beautiful experience! I can imagine. I had a dog as well. A Black German Shepherd, a wonderful DOG! I wished he was still alive. Unfortunately, he died of cancer at only 9 years old. Food is very important, said the doctor. Make sure you keep him alive as much as possible with quality food.
Man that do g is getting the workout.
Haha, yeah, he loves it!
I always tend to catch an edge when riding flat... I was told to always either have pressure on the heel or toe side - or alternate... not sure if that's good advice lol. The only other thing I struggle with is confidence. I start to pick up speed and it freaks me out and I usually just end up eating powder.
This is why I love 3BT boards. They feel more stable going straight, and I'm happy to ride completely flat.
@@TwinbeeUK I'll check em out!
Same bro. When i pick up speed I get scared and prefer to crush early. 😂 Btw still not sure how to ride flat.
Flats are a nightmare
Groves in thre snow= catch an edge
Your dog is definitely the best companion for your vlogs 🤟
Keep shredding and keeping thumbs crossed that your season will officially open soon
Thanks Mike! Yeah that is the plus about the lifts being shut, my dog gets to hang with me on the slopes!
@@malcolmmoore All resorts should make 'dog-friendly' slopes - that could be really awesone.
@@Mike_Solo yeah I think that too! I can usually get away with taking my dog on the nordic trails here, hit only on the quieter weeks.
When riding on a flat base, I’m always worried about catching an edge (especially on camber dominant boards). Do you have any tips for how to avoid this while flat basing fast? Thanks for the well made vid!
You need to put a little pressure on your edge. Toe or heel, what ever you are comfortable with. I only ride Flat base if I know the lines Im taking are flat and without change of angles or small bumps.
Yeah it is important to be able to read the slope and if the slope goes slightly off camber then you want to roll a little pressure onto one edge or the other. I made a video on riding flats where I explain this here:
czcams.com/video/_vDyI-R2L3E/video.html
Whereas this video was more just about getting used to holding the flat based position. Combining this with good carving skills is what will really help you to improve your skills on riding flats fast!
You can remove edges so there is nothing to catch
The gap between your board and the mountain always needs to be facing downhill slightly. Pretend you're making a peanut butter sandwich down the mountain, not up it.
I ride completely flat at high speeds for extended distances quite regularly, the actual secret is keeping your ankles relaxed so the snowboard than move with the fine details of the piste. I like to start a run completely flat and straight, then when I get to like 30mph drop into a hard wide carve. I've also hit 65mph, according to Slopes app at least, and I was flat base for that. Firm, empty, and perfectly smooth groomer, first thing in the morning, of coarse.
Relly good to see an instructor talking about flat base riding, and building it from one foot skating. Yah mahn.
putting my weight on my front foot has always done the trick for me, no need for extra leaning. Also; anticipation of terrain and descend line as well as condition of the snow are huge factors,. I would also vouche for having the right position on the board (centered or advanced), makes huge difference
This video was so helpful. When I first started riding I was always told “Never ride flat, always keep an edge” So I avoided it, and when I would need to ride flat I was never comfortable
I broke an arm the first time I was riding flat. Even over a decade later I'm still not fully comfortable. I managed some easy boxes on my last vacation. But that was really difficult.
I would love Malcolm to breakdown my riding and fix any bad habits 😅 such a knowledgeable technician.
You’re my favorite Snowboard CZcamsr, your instructional videos are always super informative, and your free ride videos are super satisfying. The hype-beast sprinting up and down the mountain with you is my favorite part though... Keep up the great content!
Thanks man, appreciate it! Really looking forward to the lifts being opened back up so I can be more productive with the channel!
Your videos are making me so excited/prepared to go boarding again in January!!! Thank you!!!! :))
Awesome, thanks for watching!
Great tips! I have struggled in the flats and crossthrus! Thank you Malcolm!
January 2045 🤣👍
@@Happychappy555 😂🤦🏻♂️
Great video! Very helpful drills. Been snowboarding 5 years and very interested in continuing to progress my skills. You’re videos help save from the private instructors 🎒
Doing this has helped me on the lifts so much. People just watch in awe as I glide off of the lift and towards the bench to strap in. Plus, I drop in to my runs flat to pick up speed, then go on my edge to turn. Love the video, it’s helped me improve so much.
Awesome 🙌
thank you man! last year you promised to make this video 😃. now hope we 'may' travel this year! good luck! 🙏🏻
Thanks for watching Wouter, hope you're well! This video was a challenge to make with no lifts, really hope they manage to open this season!
So cool to see you snowboarding again Malcolm, at least some of us are able to do that this year! :)
Yeah, mind you it took alot of hiking just to make this video! I will never complain about a slow lift ever again!
Malcolm Moore! Thanks for all the help. All your videos are fantastic. I love your dog.
Thanks so much!!! Yeah Indy is the best!!!
Not Only snowboarding ..
But how ti make dogos happy 👍
Simply Nice🐶
Great explanation of the basic physics of the fall line principal. Stuff you need to understand. No different to the camber on a road.
exactly! Thanks for watching too!
I’m really enjoying your videos and despite being an old hand I’m learning new stuff, so thank you! The glitch effects are doing my head in though!
Thanks, noted for the transitions!
Your videos are THE BEST, Malcolm!
Whoop whoop, thanks Veronica! I know you didn't ask this but as you are an instructor I thought you might find it interesting. A few people on here have told me off and said you are better to be on an edge when riding flats. You may remember I did a video on riding flats where I in fact say this. This video however is about being able to ride a flat base, which I do now think is a very important skill too. And if you are able to read the slope well then you can effectively decide if its appropriate to be on a flat base, or an edge. Anyway, not that you asked, but that's my 2 cents on the subject! 😂
@@malcolmmoore Haha. You read my mind. 😂 You did mention in this video that it’s important to be able to ride flat to prepare for boxes. I ate it many times when I was learning to do my first 50/50 because I always wanted to keep a little edge. So you are right. It’s an important skill to learn! Thank you! 😄
I realize this is an older video but I want to echo other comment's about how helpful it is. Riding flat has always scared me but this video definitely brings up some great tips. I also just bought a Nidecker Alpha and retired my Skate Banana....I think my old rocker board and its loose feel really ingrained the fear of catching an edge while flat. I feel much better on the newer camber board. Thanks for the great content 👍
Just use the Banana as a jib/butter board
Awesome very good explanation! I wish I had time to go try these techniques. One of the last times I rode I was suuupper proud of myself managing to enter and exit powder smoothly because of perfectly times balance shift.
Yes love it!
Good explanation of the ball line
😂😉
Very concise, Thanks.
Nice and clear video instructions. Thank you!
You are welcome! Thanks!
Lovely seeing the dogs on the snow enjoying themselves! great video too!
Indy loves the snow!!
Hi Malcolm, This video really helped! I'm developing bad snowboarding habits and yours was the only one I found that addressed the issue of not being able to ride on a flat base. Do you have any further tips on board control? I feel like my front foot / front of my board is being thrown around by random bumps and which causes me to bail / crash a lot (which in turn makes lose the confidence needed to lean forward.)
I'm gonna film a video tomorrow on a thin flat long piste addressing some of these videos, should be up by the weekend 👌
Great info as always👍 Merry Christmas to you and your family, Malcolm.
Thankyou Jenny, and to you and yours 🙏
This video is really helpful to beginner like me, thanks man~
Thanks, glad it helped! 🙏
Great quality video, keep it up man!
Thanks Jasper! 🙏
Yes INDY! great video!!
Indy 😍
very well explained! thankyou
Thanks for watching 🙏
Enjoyed the video and the background music as well. Nice as always. I can't wait to get back on the slopes.
Thanks Ben, hopefully you'll be able to get riding soon! 🤞
Great video. I have a flying V so a lot of times when my board is flat on the surface it starts to wiggle a little bit which makes me uneasy. I usually have to keep an edge so I am ready to stop or turn. Really want to work on getting faster.
Yeah I find on those V rocker boards I have to push my knees out a little wider to help keep it flat!
Que hermoso ese perro. Excelente trabajo.
Awesome, thanks a lot Malcolm!
Thanks! 🙌
Great video - been wondering about how to do this!! Thanks
your dog is absolutely awesome!
Totally 🤩
This is brilliant!
Thanks again! 🙏
Best snowboarding vids!!
Thanks man, appreciate it! 🙏
Great video. Keep up the good work.
Cheers 👍
MM is THE best snowboard coach on YT! 🤙🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻
Yes Thomas! Thanks again man! 🤙🤙🤙
@@malcolmmoore And I really dig your new co-coach aka snow dog! 👍🏻
Umm david Jones begs to differ😂
@@tuckerhendershott3979 that guy is hilarious to be fair!
thanks your videos are great.
probably the best in my opinion
Thankyou, I appreciate it 🙏
Great vid!✌🏼
Thanks Honey!
I have been experimenting with riding flat for a long time and it just finally clicked. I noticed that at the same time that I started feeling comfortable going super fast with my board completely flat (usually to carry lots of speed through a long flat stretch), I also started being able to steer in complete control with one foot binded in while coming off of the ski lifts. I think that I started leaning forwards a little bit and steering with my front foot and only shifting my weight back if I need to make the back of the board behave.
Great tips!👍 The worst thing with flat basing is catching an edge. Been buckeroo’d a few times especially where the snow is heavily compacted with loads of tramlines like at the end of piste runs.
That's the only plus side about right now, no tramlines are developing and the pistes are staying in good condition! Thanks as always 🙏
You can avoid that by keeping slight pressure on one of your edges even when riding flat base.
I've had this a few years back and hurt myself so badly I stopped snowboarding. Wanna go back but make sure this won't happen again😅🤷
I was practicing flat basing on a green run today. A slight Edge always ends up pulling mebin to a turn. I found that if put your weight over your front knee while staying very centered, you do not need to ride an edge. In fact when I get off the lift, I can ride quite comfortably flat. Now I'm just trying to get myself to do it on steeper runs.
Indy, Malcolm's #1 fan! 💯😉👍
🙂
He's the only one loving the lifts being shut at the moment, he gets to come riding with me all day!
So dope how the dog jus' chillin on the slopes too. That's down to earth, dawg.
Haha Indy is super chill
Your videos are very detailed and helpful! I have avoided to ride my Board completely flat out of fear to catch an edge. Question: How do I align the board with the fall line, ride it flat and do not lose control or catch an edge?
Greetings from Germany 🏔🇩🇪
I was wondering about that too
i love your videos and your doggie. thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Back in the early 90s i worked at a ski area in oregon where they has the us speed skiing champs, did 67 mph on my race board 163 rossignol Helping check the speed trap. Quite the rush! 😎
This CZcams video Made me understand how to flatbase, much appriciated!
Thanks!
Love it!
Cheers bro, great filming! 🤙
Good video as always.
Thanks Vinh!
I am indeed trying to get back into Ollies this season! (and 180s!)
Great video! It looks so strange there without the lifts running ☹️. Plenty of space on the pistes though!
Yeah, loads of room, but alot of effort!
Suscribed! Thanks for the great content.
Awesome, thanks! Appreciate it 🙏
Great video as always Malcolm! How would you stay in control and avoid catching an edge on a bump when riding with a flat base? Sometimes I would be in the fall line riding on a flat base to get some speed across a flat area, but since my base is completely flat, an uneven patch of snow or a small bump on the side would hit my edge and make me fall despite me being in the fall line.
It just takes a bit of practice to get used to the feeling of it. If your board is truly flat and in the fall line, then you won't be able to catch an edge, even if it is really bumpy or icy. But the best practice is to be able to transition from flat base onto an edge. If you are riding an edge then you wont catch it, so that is actually what I would recommend more for getting across flat slopes. This is just a technique that people seem to want to learn, but for actual flats, being on an edge is generally safer. If you see my other video from a while back on riding flats I go over this! 👍
@@malcolmmoore That cleared things up for me, thank you so much! You probably have heard this lots of times but I am very grateful for all of your videos and especially for you taking the time to get back to everyone with the replies. Definitely my favorite snowboarding channel on CZcams!
Thanks man, I appreciate it 🙏
Awesome tips! I avoid flats at all costs, but being that most people I'm on the mountain with ski, they have been towing me. 🤣 Outside of some collapsible pole for my snowboard, going faster is now the plan!
Love that!
nice video. thx
Thank you! 🙏
Thanks!
Thankyou! 🙏
That dog is fierce!
He loves it! Just been on a big tour with him and now hes snoring away back home!
Mate those rollers are PERFECT
U just earned your self a new sub
🥳🥳🥳 thanks man, I appreciate it!
I love your video! Would you mind sharing whats ur binding angle and width? thanks
Not sure my width exactly, but angles are +18 on the front and -12 at the back!
Nice video!
Thanks!
That`s a nice dog well trained
Hes the best!
Am I recognising that resort as Alpe D’Huez? Was there in January 2020 and meant to go back first week of January this year but cancelled unfortunately with all that is going on.. can’t wait for next season to get back out!! Let’s hope we all can go cruising again soon
Yeah this is alpe d'huez, and yep all lifts are currently shut so I had to hike all of this!
@@malcolmmoore Crazy man thats one hell of a workout before even boarding down! It was my first year snowboarding instead of skiing and I only made it on Marcels farm and Chez roger but hopefully next time out il be able to adventure higher up the mountain. I surf and skate so figured snowboarding would come more naturally but i felt i could jump on reds from day one on skis but the steep hills were too much on the board for my hamstrings to deal with xD
Thank you
Thank you too 👍
Can you explain what that feeling is when going on a flat base? Is it that I'm not putting enough weight on the front foot when I feel like the board is catching an edge ever so slightly but not enough to topple me over?
These tips really help out a lot! Few years back, I fell riding flat and broke my wrist pretty badly. Been very hesitant to ride that way ever since but I can't wait to practice these techniques next season
Did the exact same thing.
same here
Does the board profile make a difference when riding flat? Mine’s a rocker so low in the middle. Wonder if that gives it a tendency to spin out from the middle. I’ve hit 48mph but like to have a bit of edge in as lack confidence to go full flat at high speed
U just gained a new subscriber :)
I just subbed to him too!
Thanks! The videos are taking slightly longer to make at the moment as the resorts here in france are still shut down, so I have to hike alot, but I'll still be making content!
@@malcolmmoore well keep up the good work I’m a new sub as well and honestly your vids are amazing I have so much fun watching you and u have inspired me to start snowboarding so thank you and keep up the great content 😊
Boarding with your dog, living the dream 🙂
As a longboarder I'm REALLY excited for 6:14 on a snowboard. I've gone down some very large and steep roads and that position is so fun. Question is.....how do I set my bindings.
On a longboard I rest my front leg on my back knee; almost like I'm sitting on it.
Well you dont have as much freedom of movement with your feet in boots and bindings but you can still create a similar position. You might want to set your binding angles up in a more directional stance to help with that, mine are in more of a duck stance so I can ride switch as well!
Is that Alpe D’huez Malcolm? Great video!
It is, currently closed though 😕 so I'm doing lots of hiking, but at least I can bring my dog!
@@malcolmmoore awww love it there, I did 3 winter seasons out there in 2002/3/4, fantastic place, haven’t been back since but getting my fiancée into snowboarding, hence why I’m interested in your videos, they are great for her to watch, keep up the good work and we may see you on the sunny mountain slopes over the next couple of years! Cheers! Xx
Awesome, yeah, this seasons a bit rubbish as everything is shut, but cant wait for next year!
Hi, thanks for the great video! I have a quick question: I see ppl mention it is hard to ride on flat because if you keep a central flat board position, it is really easy for you to loose control especially when the snow conditions are bad and icy and your board is in full contact with the ground. I understand that usually the flat is not really “flat” so we can ride it using toe/heel edge. But what if the flat ground slope is almost negligible, with bad surface condition, and is connecting between 2 downhills? Hope this question makes sense 😅
I have an old video here on riding flats, rather than riding a flat base:
czcams.com/video/_vDyI-R2L3E/video.html
I think this will better answer your questions 👌
Strange to find so many people concerned over catching their edge. I use to ride camber boards, Capita Outsiders and the Amplid Defjam. Switched to the Capita Ultrafear a few years ago which is flat, primarily for learning some freestyle. I don't think I've ever caught an edge yet. Definitely caught edge's on the Amplid but that thing was stiff and fast as hell. Ultrafear is forgiving as it gets. Rode the reds at fast speeds in La Plagne with no bother. I guess it's just down to how people ride. I like aggressive riding and aren't afraid to push it.
i recently just started getting into snowboarding. I skateboard and getting into snowboarding was easy for me but i still have a long way to go.
Keep going!
Hello Malcom, I have been running on flat base pretty fast to a point that my rocker board starts to shake and the heading of the board swinging left and right, esp on rough surface. Does it mean I have reached the maximum controllable speed of the board? Or Should I bend my knees more to absorb the keep pushing it? Thanks a lot!
My first board was a flat board it got chatter at high speeds too. Getting a slightly cambered board like the Capita DOA solved this instantly.
I had to rewatch the video to see what you were doing because I was more focused on what your dog was doing the first time around :D.
Haha yeah don't blame you Indy is the boss 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Most people said to be a bit on the edge at high speed to maintain stability. Inversely, I also nollie forward if I just need a little more to get to the end of a flat section.
Thanks for this Malcolm, It's winter here in NZ and I am a newbie to snowboard. I always watch your videos tutorial to make myself way better in snowboarding.
Awesome, hope you guys have a good winter down there, I miss riding in NZ!
That dog is zoomin man! LOL
I know lmao!
Riding on fat cat tracks is one of the many new skills I had to pick up on a big mountain such as Park City. I was able to follow your tip on getting low and get over a flat yesterday! Thanks, Malcolm! 🙏🏻
Awesome, so jealous of you being able to use the lifts over there, I will never moan about a low chair ever again!
Great video man. I remember riding my first green runs and they had A TON of cattracks (long strips of flat groomed snow). I sometimes still get annoyed by these. Gotta rewatch some of your videos from last year, good for getting the rust off. Like others have said, riding switch with maybe some tips on binding angles/binding highback adjustment would be cool.
Keep up the content bro!
Cheers man, yeah I think a switch one definitely has to be in the works, alpt of people asking for that!
Hope do you steer on a flat base? Or do you just let the board go where it will and turn using your edges when you want to move to the left or right?
Exactly, flat base will just have you following the fall line 👍
One could argue that being slightly on edge is actually faster than a flat base. There is less friction/less drag/less surface contact with the snow if you are on a slight edge. I find it faster than flat base almost always. Flat base is good for getting off the chair and powder but not much else. Most jump take offs at least for spins are done off heel or toe edge.
i try this sometimes on almost flat surfice but sometime the i grab the edge and i have i have really hard fallls, what do i have to do so the edge does not grab?
difficult to say without seeing you ride, but most likely to do with your posture!
What's the best position to mount your goPro for boarding without a hand stick
On your helmet is always an easy one!
Any tips for riding flat on a board with absolutely no camber and raised edge (park board)? I seem to start spinning so I am basically always on one of my edges. Sometimes I can't make it across cross - trails from this
The technique remains the same, you can push your knees out a but more to help spread your weight across the whole board too, but otherwise not too much different!
What are your binding angles? Especially for the last position?
+18-12 ✌️
Hey man. Last christmas I was snowboarding across a flat base. I had to do it fast because it's a long flat section, and if I don't go into it with quite a bit of speed, I won't make it across. One day I slid onto a patch of ice (that looked exactly like snow), by then I couldn't really control my direction. Then I saw broken ice rubbles littering my path and I tripped over one at a high speed, fell on my front left shoulder into the hard ice and broke my collarbone. Ruined my season. I've been afraid to gather too much speed on a flat base ever since. I'm also keeping a lot of weight on my back foot just to avoid catching my front edge. Any advice?
czcams.com/video/_vDyI-R2L3E/video.html this video is more on riding flats as opposed to riding a flat base. But basically learning to carve is the best thing you can do!
If you find yourself leaning back a lot then go and ride a lot of steep mountains.
I used to think the Alps where steep until I'd been there a few times over winter.
When I went to Bulgaria it seemed positively flat.
Man where did you buy that slope? I think I need one. Biting enough of others' scrap snow.
Haha, its empty because the resort is shut down. I would take a few more people any day if it meant the lifts were running, I had to hike all of this!
When should we ollie and when should we pop from the jump, what is the difference and how to choose which one should we use?
Generally bigger jumps you just pop, and smaller you ollie. If I feel like I'm going slow I'll do more of an ollie to help me get over the lip. But on bugger jumps you're going too fast to really be able to get the timing of an ollie. 👍
What resorts let you take your dogs?? My dog wants to go. What if she poops and I'm already downhill of her?
Indy comes on the gondolas with me but only when it's quiet and not on the main slopes, he loves it!!
This is filmed in alpe d'Huez France
should you have your dominant foot in the front or in the back? my dominant foot is my right but i have no idea if i am a goofy or a regular, thanks
There's no sure fire way to know until you try it to be honest, but once you start trying one way will start to feel more natural!
Most people ride with their dominant foot forward.
you might have added a section about tortional controll... kind off when you need to track straight on a slightly camberd slope... keeping the weight forward/central and flatbased but just setting a slight edge with your backfoot... kind of like a dart (center of mass in front of the stabilizer/fin)... keeps you tracking straight across any slope without bleeding off speed because your board is crabbing.
traversing without your board wanting to turn uphill again and also NOT correcting that by letting it slip slightly is something beginners struggel alot with... they all end up pointing slightly uphill and slightly slipping at the same time ... resulting in rapid bleeding off speed
you might aswell get one out about carving on steep/icy terrain ... usually people use push out/turn/sink into edge for controll in steep, which is perfect for controll but in therms of weight-transfer you end up way to slow, only getting pressure on the edge after ~90deg of your turn ... in steep terrain you pick up way to much speed to controll the carve and slip /on ice you will not be able to get the edge to dig in that late in the turn ... so it won't track but slip (have not tried any magnetraction)
unweighted turns in the steep will let you put pressure on the edge before you get into fallline so you get to centerflex the board into a much tighter turnradius resulting in less speed beeing picked up during fallline... keeps you in controll
... same on ice... unweight and set the edge with a little strong impulse right at the beginning of the turn while you are still slow and it will grip through the whole turn with ease and confidence
... if it does not grip in the ice you are still slow and low ... so you have all your legs left to push the edge for controll and have better balance
Ok yeah, I wanted to keep it simple in this one, I somewhat covered that in my other riding flats video. But really its difficult to do without covering carving, and then you're onto a whole mega long video! Plus I'm hiking for each run so things take a while! 😂 cheers though, and thanks for watching and commenting as always 🙏
@@malcolmmoore also probably not the time to cover icey runs right now... Doubt there are any... But you might keep it in mind for when the season gets rolling.
@@fireblade1986 yeah for sure!