The simplest argument for Michael Jordan still being greater than Lebron James
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Here is the simplest argument I can make for why MJ is still greater than Jordan.
Lebron still has the opportunity to pass Jordan, it's just that at present day, MJ is still greater. - Sport
I realize that there's a group of people that won't have anything significant to contribute so they'll default to screaming "Hater"
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So there is no hate here, and I've said more than a few times Lebron still has a chance to pass MJ.
Leave the hater comments at home.
Dont worry about em Dom, your argument is pretty much fool proof. You were being very objective.
Lebron fans will be Lebron fans and try to compare MJs first round exit vs Birds Celtics while dropping 49 and then 63, to Lebron choking against an underdog in the Finals
lebron is better than jordan.
Tyler Milliken Nah.
Dom2k
It's not worth your time just keep making good videos😃
Dom2k very solid video, usually don't like no videos except music but you killed this shit. And I'm a basketball fan but you made it really easy for someone who don't know their shooting percentages and field goal and all that.
Non basketball fans- did mike come back 3-1
Real basketball fans- mike never went down 3-1
This guy gets it^^^
He had 3 straight first round loses. Also Lebron played one of the best teams in NBA history, i don't think Lebron is the GOAT, but Mike is 100% not the GOAT. He's good but not great.
alan olivas Jordan was good, not great? Wow. That’s one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read in my life.
@@DAJUICEMANE420Ok, i may have went a little too far, but still people make him out to be a god. I'm just saying there's people that are better than him and that he isn't as good as people think.
@@alanolivas1670 There are people better than Jordan? Please elaborate on who and how/why.
a reason why MJ didnt beat a 70 win team, cause they were the 70 win team
I'm no Jordan fan, but "Cutie Creampie" that's the stupidest statement I ever heard. A 70 win season, yes, only one, is incredible. To say it's "only one" is like saying an MVP doesn't count because he only got "one"
Cutie Creampie the warriors were only a 70 win team for 1 year, so by your logic that season was irrelevant.
but they didnt win, even pippen on the jail blazers had a stacked team and couldnt win
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Karun Sagar When did they made the ECF without him?
Damn Jason Terry was busting Lebron’s ass in the finals at the age of 33 lol
Can you imagine Michael Jordan being outplayed by a guy like Jason Terry in the finals? Jordan would have destroyed Terry...
Can you imagine michael jordan doing one of the greatest posters in NBA history on him either?
@@nichabus8550 does that fucking matter? Jason Tatum dunked on LeBron it doesn't mean Tatum is better
@@nichabus8550 greatest poster ? Anybody could have dunked on him considering the play, it was 3 vs 1, it's actually quite brave from Terry to try to defend on James on this action since he has almost on chance, most of the players would just go out of the way.
@@20dieux he fell flat. TBH just admit the dunk was great
nichabus doesn’t change what happened a year earlier on the big stage....
Anytime a "LeBron is 🐐" convo comes up, I'm going to immediately hit em with "But can he guard Jason Terry???"
James McGraw lol
Oh yea mr.krabs
LOL savage !!
JJ Barea lol
Hahahah nicee
I lost it when the Super Mario sound effects started when Terry blew by him. Dying over here lol.
🤣🤣🤣 So so true.
LeBron trotting slowly and putting his head down in defeat as the Mario theme ended was great editing. I had to play that section over and over.
If the 1996 Bulls played the 2011 Mavs
“And the biggest question for MJ tonight, can he stop Jason Terry”
Michael: “It became personal with me.”
*proceeds to drop 50*
Yep
and would clamp terry to 8 points
Anyone rewatching after “The Last Dance”?
Yup
Very relevant now
Yup
yup
@Billy Barry like which ones?
Bro, you’re bringing in too much facts and making too much sense for the kids to comprehend.
Simply because he was only being a rational person and probably the argument here as who exactly the goat is a no brainier kids will just comprehend this that's all that matters and I can simply put this way as to why Jordan was the goat simply because their era was a man's basketball and big men was the real deal however mj just tomp them those big men to the canvass Kareem Abdul Jabbar Shaq the twin towers Hakeem and Ralph Sampson Patrick Ewing the list goes on and on
😂
@@nonamer5453 I really hope you did that thing where you just pick the middle word apple suggests when you're typing, because that wall of text made absolutely no sense.
@@nonamer5453
nigga what
@@nonamer5453 I hate to break this news to you but MJ never beat Kareem's Lakers, in fact he never beat any of the great 80's teams in their primes in the playoffs. Every great 80's team he beat was because they got old/injured
"can he stop Jason Terry?" LOL
Some Guy That's the stain that simply won't go away. It's the exact moment when I realized that Bron didn't have the unquantifiable element that pumps through MJ's veins.
I was laughing too loud
Some Guy lol
Some Guy man Terry played a hall of famer on LeBron James let Terry hold mj it's a quick 70 points
he cant stop anyone that has a high level of talent on the basketball court, hes a bad defender, a ball hog, and barely can make a free throw. lebron go talk to shaq about free throws ahahahahah
Imagine what Bron Stans would do if Jordan got outplayed by Jason Terry in the Finals.
Bron stan: lbj is the 🐐
Me an intellectual: no
Joe Schmo I’m not a LeBron fan I’m a PHX fan so I got no bias towards Bron but jason Terry didn’t outplay him lmao if you put Bron on the mavsit would be a sweep
DatBoiDylan maybe play for play Terry didn’t outplay him but he still had a bigger role in the fourth quarter of those games because Bron kept running away from the ball in the fourth. Magic literally said before one of the crucial games “can he stop Jason Terry” so yes. He outplayed him to me. I’m gonna petty because it’s Lebron and Jason f’n Terry. An MVP and a role player.
DatBoiDylan either way he didn’t show tf up 😂
DatBoiDylan you think so? That’s a big call.
Also when Jordan is playing. You know that he's going to do EVERYTHING he can to win. And beautiful moves will follow
Even just watching Jordan play shows hes the goat, there is just something about the way he plays that puts him ahead of everyone
@@morganreid6681 Lebron is just ugly ///
The "Draymond green ruins your chances at parenthood" LOOOL
Shaggie Ramesh that's why he's a good defender, everyone's scared of him
That had me rollinggggg that cam out of nowhere.
Funny asf
that mess killed me yo lol
TheBladeSage That's what failed Stunners do to you on the receiving end.
Another argument is that Stockton and Malone have no rings because the 2 times they went to the finals, they faced MJ.
John Stockton: all-time leader in assists and steals!
Karl Malone: 2nd all-time scoring leader, 7th all-time rebounder!
Together they may be the best duo of all time.
Heck they are almost as good as Jason Terry!
nefelovamon exactly. If it wasn’t for Jordan and the bulls, the jazz probably would have had one or two rings in the 90’s.
Tell that to dumb shanon, who actually said to skip "If its so easy to get into the HOF, how many hofers did the 90's utah jazz had?"
I think you're forgetting that Pipen and Rodman were on the team too. It wasn't just MJ. I agree that MJ is the GOAT, but that might not be the best comparison
Edit: Time has shown though that you need at least another Star player on your team to win a championship, especially in a decade as great as MJ's. Just like Lebron against the Spurs and MJ againsts the Jazz.
lol great punchline
media are silly dickriders all the time but now worse than ever
And LeBron lost to Jason Terry LOL
I just need to put this out there. Just because youre more all around and 3 inches taller and almost 50 pounds heavier doesnt mean you’re a better basketball player, it just means you’re a more all around player. Do you ever see people saying ben simmons is a better basketball player than stephen curry? No.
If this was about dating: MJ went on 6 dates and scored each time. While LBJ went on 8 dates and got rejected 5 times.
kopi bin Good and funny analogy 😄😂🤣
MJ's a player for sure, lol
Lebron actually went on 9 dates, and got rejected 6 times...
@@ODMUSH one of them got his ass beat by the girls small 33yr old boyfriend Jason terry 😂
Your acting like Lebron didn't go against the best team of all time twice. Jordans better, but this argument is flawed
I’m 34 years old, I watched every bulls game on wgn when I was young even tho I lived in Pennsylvania, we got the channel. My dad used to say “take it in, you’ll never see another player anywhere close to mj. When I watch Lebron, I don’t get that “wow feeling.” Lebron is great but Jordan was mesmerizing. It was like watching a fucking ghost, you were just in awe
You know greatness when you see it, it's like Trevor Lawrence, you just know
Badmoon710..... I know you are legit.... you said WGN... lol... im from chicago.... your dad was right.... and great comparison....
@Kobe Bryant 6-24 Kobrick is not top 10
Well said
@@dadillonful grow up Kid...
Bron Fans: Did MJ come back from 3-1
Me: *Did he ever go down 3-1*
Hey u... answer this baby boi. Who would win out of a prime shaggy at ultra instinct levels or Jason Terry. Now u tell me baby back rib. Cuz anyone of them can beat lebron easily
@Matt Clark Obviously prime Shaggy! He wouldn’t even have to break a sweat!
@@cullenhobbs9852 lol ddamn stwaight
Matt Clark prime shaggy would make Jordan look like a 6th grader
@@adambartilad9708 u already no. baby back rib
I was just watching an episode of "The Last dance" about the bulls 92 season, and there was an interesting part, that before the finale people were talking, if MJ can do his best against Drexler, and MJ absolutely destroyed him, and said in an interview, that the comparison itself , that there are people who doubt if he can be stopped by that guy is an offence to MJ. That's a GOAT mentality right there. The absolute confidence and will to destroy your opponent with no mercy.
Lmaooo THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT JASON TERRY CLIP THAT MADE MY DAY. I am so proud of my parents naming me Jason also. But no not after Jason Terry Lol
Nick wright is wrong
“Can he stop Jason Terry” 😂😅🤣
The only thing better about Lebron's game over MJ's game is the hi-def video.
You forgot Jeter.. 😁
But...... Jordan has film in IMAX.
Haha but in beter career jordan had hd results that clearly in our eyes.
Ernest B ,,, if flopping won championships, Labron would be the goat
So play-making and 3s don't account for anything?
I have watched the end of this video.... a lot of times. From when you ask "You know why Jordan was never the underdog?" and then showing us.... Art. thank you.
Why is this even an argument? James is a great player, but there's only one Micheal Jordan, period
Because people are obnoxiously smug when it comes to Michael Jordan. They act like being a fan of Jordan means you played with him on the Bulls lol.
@@jwm1444 People do the exact same thing with Lebron lol probably more so with the internet
You're right, there's one jordan and one james
Exactly. 1 mj. And 1 Kobe Bryant. Top 2 greatest all around players ever was up until now. All around. All around. All around. Think about that word all around. After those 2 then there's everybody else from 3rd to 100th. I do think lebron is in top 5. And bill Russell and wilt Chamberlain fill in rest perhaps. There's few other players that are up there and you can fill in rest where you may. But Jordan is THE GOAT. Jordan just bought a whole other level to the shit. I got excited and fired up watching Jordan. Wish I could say same about lebron. Put lebron in mjs time, and lebron just another name on a roster compared to mj.
@Charles Fowler that's right. There has only been and will only ever be 1 Michael Jordan. Did they compare Michael Jordan to Lebron? Or Kobe to lebron??? They didn't say Michael Jordan is gonna be the next lebron james. Or Kobe Bryant the next lebron James. No they said lebron James is gonna be the next Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant. And james plays in a much much much softer NBA. In my honest opinion, under jordan, dr j, Larry bird, Isiah Thomas, and all the other greats of this time, when basketball was tough and mean lebron would've been eaten alive in my honest opinion for real for real. He wouldn't have been able to take that punishment in the paint like they did. Just saying fellas
“Ruin your chances at parenthood”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Simplest argument in 5 words:
Can
He
Stop
Jason
Terry?
Kieron Rowe Yeah, that’s a kill shot in this argument for LBJ! That’s just embarrassing!!! MJ, Mr.23, His Airness is the GOAT!
@Yasin Ali Gotta love dunking over someone 6 inches shorter than you and half as athletic too. Props to Lebron, what a guy.
@Yasin Ali Apart from the height difference, that's dunking on the man, not stopping him.
Lmao those words must echo in Lebron head almost every night
@Yasin Ali so in other words,
LeBron won battle.....
*BUT JASON TERRY WON THE WAR*
This is one of the greatest videos showing that Michael Jordan is the greatest and most influential player ever. Three peat , twice, back to back. No legitimate big man doing a time when u needed a big man to win the chip. Facts
*Dennis rodman*
(Yes I know they did the first 3 w/o him, but its not like those teams weren't that great either)
@@Umar_Ali797 ask your self this question bro Ali. How many if those players of that time are hall of famers right now? And how may of them were denied 1 ring because of MJ and the bulls dominance in that era?
@@zeplinali1041 I will say that LeBron's PATH to the Finals was easier than Jordan, but LeBron's finals matchups were a lot harder
I disagree brother Ali. How many Hall of Famers did Jordan deny a chip?
Also what type of rules are players playing under in the League. Brother Ali, i can score thirty in the current league today and so can u.
The match up don't dont matter if i can't touch when u drive in the hole or i cant hand check u. Now a player like Rondo hit threes during finals. Why? The rules in the bubble are different from the regular season games from last year
I always say, if you aren’t old enough to have watched Michael Jordan play, then don’t tell me LeBron James is better because I’ve watched both, and it ain’t even close!
Eye test is all i need & ifk why lbj just beats put so many gr8 players
@@dominiquejones3805 LMAO eye test is a landslide win For MJ so that didn't help your case.
No.
@@benigogo yes
@@tyrannicaltypomichaeltester its close yes im 19 but ever since youtube became a thing ive watched so maby micheal jordan game and lebron games you cannot deny the fact that they are close in skill
I just still can't believe my Bulls drafted Jordan. Goodness gracious.
Talk about drafting once in a million years player.
N he made a once in a lifetime type career off of pure dominance over anyone
SuperMisteryMan01 basically.
“Can he stop Jason Terry?
CAN HE STOP JASON TERRY?
CAN... HE... STOP... JASON... TERRY?”
Kaque Burlington No Sir he can not
Kaque Burlington Can he stop Isiah Thomas?
"And, yeah, I'm going to split a hair on less than one point per game because it's Jason. F*cking. Terry.
@@zandergilder9928 im pretty sure Lebron can't stop Isiah Thomas. he'll cry for sure!
Mister Libra Well he destroyed one Isiaih Thomas in the eastern conference finals so idk about that.
Larry Bird, most complete player,
Magic, best court vision/ improvisation
Lebron most versatile player,
Shaq, most dominant player,
Vince Carter, best dunker
Michael Jordan, Greatest Will to win, greatest of all time.
Wilt Chamberlain is the most dominant player
Jordan is the most complete🤷♂️
Larry Bird most cerebral player
best shooter Curry and best offensive player kobe
Dumisa Tony Johnson Wilt needed 40 shots and 17 free throws to average 50, and he didn’t win MVP, or the finals that year, so in his best year, he wasn’t even dominant
I never get tired of watching it. This may be the greatest and "simplest" video that proves why MJ is and will be the goat.
Sucks that you're wrong though
@@ComaAlpha only in delusional bronsexuals mind ofcourse😆😂
@@ComaAlpha why is he wrong
@@lazy4463 Michael WAS the GOAT and that's only because Len killed himself and Benji got shot in high school.
A kid from Akron is the current GOAT.
@@ComaAlpha Keep dreaming lol. Jordan will always be considered the GOAT
When you have two hall of farmers on your team and you take PED’s but still can’t beat Jason terry in the finals
LMFAO!!!!
Husein A Bro speaking facts here.
Dirk
I heard something about the PEDs. It's true?
@@LuvnAries23 Research about the BioGenesis List, from his Miami days.
Nick Wright probably writes fan-fics about him and Lebron
Toucan Sam*
Clorox Bleach nick wright doesn't know what's he's be talking about, fox sports gives him a bunch of stats paper of lebron
Clorox Bleach lmao
I wouldn't mind reading it, might have a blast like from watching "The Room". I don't think it can beat Peter Chimaera's works though, the guy's the GOAT in fanfiction writing.
Sexy stories
Poor Lebron. This has haunted him his whole career and will haunt him his whole life. Even Kobe didn’t care this much.
You are so right. I think the worst thing he ever said of himself "i'm the best player ever" There is NO player in the NBA has ever challenged that argument against MJ. Furtheremore no one is talking about how much older Jordan is than Lebron.
No great players claimed that they were the best. But Bron made it🤦♂️
Michael Reyes Kobe/Bill/wilt/Mj himself said he’s the goat looked it up
Forward_Ever &_Ever Kobe/Bill/wilt said he’s the goat looked it up. Literally bill said he’s the goat to mjs face
Yeah he didn’t care wanna know why because Kobe said he’s the goat
"The simplest argument"
**video is 20 minutes long**
He said simplest not shortest
@@Player-lp8yr fr it’s a complicated argument put simple
You dont understand
Simple doesn’t mean easy or short.
That compilation of Jordan in the last minute was breathtaking
Ian Wilson talk about goodebumps. I don’t get that from todays game and players. It’s a different feel. Theres no will to win. MJ had that demeanor about him that made people gravitate to him and his opponents look away in competition. He is a player IMO can’t be imitated nor be born again. He had it all!!!!
a thing of beauty! made me want to cry.
If it wasnt for Jordan, the NBA wouldnt be where it is today. People wanted to see the man who can fly you know.
Ian Wilson The best part about it was the highlights were in the 6 finals. Incredible.
Interestingly not all his best work 😂
"Draymond can shoot the 3 ball" - That did not age well
Yeah
Draymond brick
😆
The best argument you’ve shown in this video is showing MJ’s clips where he’s scoring against a packed lane. Because no one wanted to shoot 3’s back then, spacing was poor and it was much more difficult to get to the rim. Hence why LeBron’s FG is higher.
Lebron is also faster, stronger, bigger than Jordan... I don't think that's the only reason why his FG is higher
Bigger and stronger? Yes. But faster? Nope. MJ was faster. He was also far more agile than LeBron.
Hmm LeBron did 40 yards in 4.4 seconds... He is faster
MJ did it at 4.38
That was not recorded... Just like his vertical, but whatever
Michael Jordan will always be the greatest. And LeBron hasn’t and won’t pass him. Without a doubt
Why u say that
Matt Garcia Because LeBron isn’t a better player than MJ, anybody who thinks LeBron’s better probably hasn’t watched him play.
Two Three Still better than LeBitch’s era
Logan Lynch wtf you cant say that he will never pass him you dont know what will happen in the next years
litschi litschi If LeBron was better, he would’ve passed Michael by now. You can’t be the GOAT and have a 3-6 record in the Finals, especially after joining a Miami Heat superteam. I’m sorry, but it doesn’t work that way.. LeBron is great, but Michael is the the GREATEST. Michael never choked in the finals. Bronsexuals just don’t want to admit that statistics prove Michael’s better in almost every facet of the game.
*Can he stop Jason Terry ?!*
WOW
😂😂😂
That is the most funny thing i heard
The answer is *no* he couldn't
Jordan vs Terry
Continents shall quake
😂😭😂🤣
Lebron can guard all 5 positions but he can't guard Jason Terry. LOL.
Jason Terry is a person and not a position. So I guess it makes sense
Rostislav Fateev Jason terry is a person that plays in the NBA. The fuck? How you go from 'locking down rose' to not locking down Jason terry? Both of which were PG's except Jason wasn't a starter :/
Or the reigning MvP either.......
I was at the game in miami when he was guarding rose. Crying up and down both ends of the court. And he was the primary defender, and they were triple teaming him in the paint.... And the bulls were down by 18 or something crazy. We left. And rose brought it back to a 2 pt game before we got to the car.
Seeing lebrons crying in person, all the way up and down the court, should change opinion of him.
Dude, that's a fucking joke
Jesus
And Michael played when everyone PLAYED DEFENSE.
Stop knocking on today. Defenses are great, offenses just got better. And LeBron’s been domination since ‘08, is that era soft? No. He’s been playing since 2003 and the 2000s isn’t soft
When you're the best, you're not the underdog.
Put Jordan against a 70+ win team with no help
Active Supreme you can’t put Jordan against Jordan
franciscogomeskk he has pippen,if you take pippen out of his team he wouldn’t have even been to the finals
Active Supreme no doubt LeBron is one of the greatest but what about the quality difference of the teams they would’ve to beat to get there ?
@@activesupreme5969 how about Lebron?
“Can he stop Jason Terry”😂😂😂
nope lol
RJC_Prince
A question that should never be asked about the "GOAt"
Thats why lebron isnt the GOAT
Gamer Guy I like the way you think lol
RJC_Prince can jordan stop 73-9 team?
Jimuel Mallari if Lebron can Jordan can🙏
I love LBJ and I am a fan but when I looked closer into MJ’s career, damn all I can say is MJ is way better.
RFMJMP agreed
Amen
RFMJMP Many players better than Pippens bitch.
R H Add Finals MVP to those other 2 and you get Olajuwon. Think about that.
Truth
I remember when this vid 1st came out & you first started your channel. I seen this vid already I’m just shocked to see it at over a mill views. You came a long way, that’s what I call grinding 💪🏾💪🏾. Keep up the great work it’s all paying off. You’re motivation.
They all try to use numbers to define their argument, looking at them as a whole MJ will always come out on top
Nick Wright all bug eyed and concerned... that's a guilty face right there
Thing is Jordan probably would’ve had more accomplishment if he hadn’t retired for two years
If he hadn't retired, he would've had 8 championships in a row.
Its not even two years though, its more than that. On his first retirement, he missed the 93-94 Season, and most of the 94-95 season. On his 2nd retirement, he missed the 98-99, 99-00 and 00-01 seasons. So in reality, you're looking at about 4 1/2 seasons of production and accolades that Jordan passed up on.
There was also the 85-86 season where he missed all but 18 games due to injury.
The man could of won 8-11 championships.
43 minutes, 43 points, 18-of-30 from the field, 7-of-8 from the charity stripe, 10 rebounds, three assists, four steals, one block.
Michael Jordan (Washington Wizards) on Feb. 21, 2003
And still had the greatest scoring performance in playoff history, despite the fact that he was just returning from a broken ankle. Jordan was absurd, man
LMAO the Mario music killed me😂😂😂
Isaiah Thomas Damn you still mad at him for trading you huh?😂😂😂
josue malvoisin Isaiah Thomas is my real name dumbass. I'm not him. You Bron fan are next level type of stupid
josue malvoisin Jokes were meant to be funny. Be funnier or stop telling jokes altogether
Isaiah Thomas Humor is subjective bro what makes me laugh doesn't have to crack you up. lmao
josue malvoisin who’s mans is this 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💨💨💨💨💨💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
I went and rewatch sum of Michael Jordan’s games he’s was insane at just scoring
What people wont tell is lebron is a more efficient scorer than jordan, mj just attempted way more shots than lebron that's why.
@@blackmarlin3166 bronsexual
@@blackmarlin3166 and Deandre Jordan is more efficient than Lebron so what’s your point
You did a FANTASTIC JOB My brotha!!Thats extremely accurate!! Why hadn't anyone thought to put this Up!?! Soooo Glad You did!!!Big thanks here straight from TEXAS!!!
People that say lebron is better never watched mj play.
Adult-ish Jay no shit bro
@ScepticalCynic MJ has more accomplishment than Russell count the bigtime resume.
@Tim Snortin' awards? how many? haha
@ScepticalCynic like Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell played in a different era with short white people. In today's game or when Jordan played they would both not get near the numbers they got
@ScepticalCynic he put all scoring descision on Wilt because he was much better than the people he played against. The average height for a center was 6'8 when he played and he was over 7 ft. And the same thing goes for track. Back then there were not near as much athletes then there are now.
*My Goat wouldn’t get outplayed by Jason Terry* 😂
FACTS
Trae 5 he didn’t dumbass he only showed when he scored on him but he didn’t want to show when lebron posterized the FUCK out of Jason terry on DOM’s FAVORITE TEAM
Rrch Rrch irrelevant information
Trae 5 your goat hasn’t gone to 7 straight finals
My Goat wouldn't get a ball stolen by Nick Anderson and lose in the semi-finals in his prime in 1995, regardless of him coming back in March, because Lebron adjusted very fine with a new young guys in a trade 😏
That was brutal .... u left them with NOTHING to fall back on with that explanation
Didn't even mention Jordan being the most clutch player of all time and his game winning shots, specially in the finals.
And people seem to forget when in 1988-89 Jordan led the league in scoring while averaging 32.5 PPG, 8.0 APG, 8.0 RPG and 2.9 SPG. Then Phil Jackson came
they don't forget it... they ignore it,...that's because it doesn't help their case... much like pippen came in 1987, but the bulls didn't win a title til 1991, and pippen only averaged around 7.9pts a game vs the pistons that year in the conference finals...Jordan had no other allstar on the 1991 finals team... yet, he didn't win til pippen came,... wow I say
They sure do. Or don't mention it. He could do and did everything very well. And not by stat padding (basket hanging for boards) like Westbrook. He adjusted his game a bit as Pippen and Grant improved.
@Mick A, well said my friend, well said
He averaged 28 pts as a ROOKIE
Jack on an amazing 51.5%
Was I the only one that got goosebumps when mj's montage came on
no haha, brings back memories of recording Bulls games on the VCR when i was 15 lol
Straight goosebumps!!!
Esdraelon Salomon man just amazing. I seen him in person
Haha nope.. that was awesome & illustrated the points of the video perfectly
Not at all.
Funny how people say “old head” when someone else knows more than they do. 😂 good shit!
@@hydros25 😂😂😂 exactly.
To this day this point still stands 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I died when that Mario music came on. Good call Dom
RedLightning17 guy I just commented on that shit when me in girl heard that we both where laughing tears out our eyes game over
RedLightning17 to funny
it was a throwback shit was playing Mario Brothers at the age 8 now am38 when got that sound I use to be mad as hell until I learned how to hop the turtle
Same. I started dying
Lmao! Gawd damn that shit was funny!
MJ played 1072 games during his career (including the wizard years)
In those 1072 games among his accomplishments:
6 finals 6 rings 6 finals mvp
5 times MVP
14 x all star
3 all star mvp
10 scoring titles
9 all defensive team
rookie of the year
defensive player of the year
2 time dunk champion
and many others
Lebron is already at 1125 NBA games played (more than MJ) and has not achieved even HALF of MJs accolades. Thas should tell you enough.
Add to that the fact that once MJ reached the top of the hill, he never came down. And the impact he had was unmatched.
Also, there were never 4th quarter jokes about MJ, or other jokes in general. The guy was the shit.
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And I was arguing earlier today about this .. if you take away the stats with the two & compare skillset & mindset ON the court .. notice how ALL Legends ALWAYS choose Jordan because how competetive he was and people who guarded jordan & kobe & lebron .. people NEVER choose Lebron .. you'd always hear kobe was harder to defend than lebron or Jordan was harder to defend because their killer instinct the "I WILL NOT LOSE" mindset .. Their smack talk & the fact of how hard it was to stop Jordan & Kobe the frustration that builds on defenders mind because their scoring couldnt be stopped let alone their defense was great! Look at Open Court best trash talkers ... Jordan ONCE began to count backwards from 40 to his opponent .. each time he scored, he'd keep counting backwards.. his opponent THEN realized that if Jordan counts to 0 then that mean he has 40 fucking points.. TRASH TALK! That YOU CANT GUARD me attitude.. Jordan would TELL his opponent his move LITERALLY before he does it & he'd make the fucking shot .. See people if you take away stats ... ALL There is left if skill & mindset ! All these things count .. This year Lebron posted Ben Simmons on his Instagram .. Back in the days, Jordan wouldnt be friendly with that dude, he'd trash talk him & bully him & score on him... You may not see what i mean by saying that but its just the attitude that will motivate you and make you remember Jordan! Lebron Is Top 10 greatest of all time BUT ... Jordan #1
MrJamal657 exactly
Fuck dude... that's a pretty fucking compelling argument. Add to that the fact that MJ's era was a way more physical era whereas LeBron's era started using soccer flops that's inspired by Italy's and Argentina's national soccer teams which made me stop watching NBA. It's also the same reason why I don't watch soccer at all. Maybe I'm just old school but to me flopping to get a free throw or a free kick is cheating and a pussy move. But that's just a personal preference. I stick to boxing and MMA now. NBA was the only team sport I loved as a teenager until flops and super sensitive foul calling started becoming the norm. Now I prefer one on one combat sports where you can't blame your teammates for losses.
but who plays ball better tho? Stats don't lie
There's always the possibility that LeBron's longevity will become 2 great to ignore in the goat debate. It's just Mj was greater, more skilled, had a better influence and legacy, and was better than LeBron. There's no disagreeing with this.
4 year old video and yet this my favorite CZcams debate
Jordan is in a league of his own
Really all that needs to be said
Jordan and Wu-Tang
@@johnasaro5837 not really Jordan fans think he can never be passed
Lebron better
No he actually isn't he's in the same conversation with Jabbar Russell an Chamberlain an he can be anywhere from 4 to 2. But Jabbar is the GOAT he has 6 mvps 6 rings an the most points 38,387. Wilt is the only player to lead the league in pts rebs an asts all at some point in his career. Russell has 11 championships cmon now, an playing in the 60s doesn't matter you're equipped to the era you're in. It's not Wilt or Russell's fault they were a huge step ahead of everyone else. Can we also take into consideration that blocks an steals were not a stat an there's games where Wilt Chamberlain had as many as 25 blocks. In March 1967 he had 53 points 32 rebounds an 24 blocks. The NBA didn't include blocks unfortunately but for a career it's safe to say Wilt an Russell would average a triple double. Wilt also played 2 straight seasons without sitting on the damn bench, the man played the whole game for more than 1 season. When Wilt was 45 years old the Cleveland Cavaliers offered him a contract smh it's honestly sad that when talking about top 5 greats of even Goats Jordan is just placed on top like it's just some giving when it's not the man is probably 3rd on the all time great list it's hard for any man that's a professional athlete to have outplayed or done more than Wilt. Kareem exceeds Jordan damn near all the categories an Russell has 5 more championships than him while being the number 1 option on his team offensively an defensively. The mount Rushmore of the NBA is Kareem Wilt Jordan an Russell period no debates. As for LeBron James he's not even the greatest SF ever that's Larry Bird. Bird career averages are 24 PPG 10 RPG 6 APG 2 SPG an Bird wasn't scared of the big moment like LeBron. LeBron will pass the damn ball to dudes like Lonzo Ball an Mario Chalmers all 4th quarter whereas Bird Jordan Magic an Kobe lived for those moments an in most times delivered. LeBron James is where he is on the top 10 list an he's not going up, not at all. He's with Shaq Olajuwon an Duncan 7-10 section. 5 & 6 Bird & Magic. 1-4 as mentioned atop. LeBron is great but he's not slick he knows unlike his fanboys that he'll never be in the Jordan Bird & Magic conversation. Never ever ever ever.
Point taken. Both of these players are awesome, but Jordan was Special. He's #1 in my book.
There was a 33-game stretch in the late 80s where Michael Jordan played the same kind of roles as Lebron James in his offense.
He was asked to be a true point guard and facilitate the offense.
In that stretch he got 18 triple doubles. For the season he was pretty close to getting a triple double. And in that stretch of games Michael Jordan put up well over 30 points a game while getting over 10 rebounds and assists a game.
If Michael Jordan had been asked to do the things that LeBron does and Westbrook does, he would have been the first player since Oscar Robertson to get a triple-double for a season. And for a pure volume shooter he is the greatest field goal percentage guy of all time. Who shoots the majority of their shots from 10 to 25 feet out and makes half of them? There's only one other point guard that shot that many and made that many
The late 80’s. Haha! There was like 20 good players in the league and they were all on the same team.
I was in high school when jordan won his second three-peat. I witnessed both MJ and Bron in their primes. I was not a jordan fan. I was a bron fan. The difference between watching both is this.. I would root AGAINST Jordan, knowing that he will always find a way to win and will end up winning....I would root FOR Lebron to win, knowing he might not pull it off, and that has nothing to do with teammates, it is 100% killer instinct..watching them both in their primes, its night and day.
No disrespect but MJ can shut down Jason Terry with the snap of his fingers
That's a Bit of an over statement .But to be honest if MJ guarded Jason Terry, Jason Terry would end up being useless the entire series 😂
I’m a Heat fan. I got love for LeBron, but he choked against the Mavericks. MJ never choked, period. This is the most accurate, comprehensive, comparison of the two, hands down. Good job.
MJ has choked his baseball career that was a huge choke
You guys should be 4 time NBA champions when the prime BIG 3 of Heat back then but yeah.. Dirk and his crew shows up, Spurs best defense and old guys back then is still consistent that they won against the Heat. I'm highschool back then, i really expect that Heat would go 4-peat.
LeBron was lucky to win ANY titles. He easily could have lost the ones that he won and they really didn't even deserve to win against the Spurs or the Warriors.
Baldwin Wallace is Skip Bayless alt account.
@@moneymarkmontana7052 ... "Yes", you are correct.
It’s 2020 and I still wanna be like Mike!
We all do
Amen to that
Lebron James averaged 17 point per game against the Mavericks in 2011
In his entire playoff career of 179 games, Michael Jordan has only TWO games with 17 or less points, the other was 15 points.
2011 is something we never saw from Jordan in the playoffs. He had 13 seasons in Chicago, never missed the playoffs, 6 ended in rings and in 6 of the other 7, he lost to the eventual conference champion and NBA finalist, 3 times he lost to the eventual champion. The only time that didn't happen was his rookie season.
Can he stop Jason Terry!
Can he stop Jason Terry !
Can he stop Jason Terry!
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Dwight Howard 16:24
It shouldn’t have never been that deep to begin with Lebron was salty he got outplayed on the biggest stage
Lebron's outclassed by Jason Terry! #GoDallas !
MJ's a killer when the playoffs start! He's a killer all of the time. Give him a reason to light you up... he will!..
The 96 Bulls would have swept this Dallas team from 2011 and the self proclaimed KING froze on the worlds biggest stage and it wasn’t the first time...damn people always talk about stats NBA players are ULTIMATELY GRADED ON FINALS PERFORMANCES AND EVEN ONE LOST IS A BLEMISH
damn Jason Terry put it on him. I didnt watch that series but now i see why people keep bringing it up.
you missed out.. lebron was shook in the finals that year.
LeBron can destroy you in a single game, Kobe can go off 81 and destroy your team, MJ WILL DESTROY YOUR ERA
Very informative this is a good video keep it up bro
i dont think lebron can survive dennis rodman.
No he could not and that passing and rebounding stat rodman would blow away
He cant even survive Kawhi. Would be no match for Rodman
oh shit!!! id LOVE to see this! yes lebron is a great player. but no way!
abel torres stop it 🛑🤦🏾
Lebron would pee himself facing bad man Dennis Rodman
I'm a lifelong Jazz fan. Grew up watching Stockton and Malone. If anyone should hate Michael it'd be us Jazz fans, especially with the new fictional story about how we apparently tried to kill him with pizza. Michael is the best player ever...he just is. No point trying to deny it. Good video with stats and facts.
Thank you!! Great vid!
I can't stand Michael Jordan. I've been a Spurs fan for my whole life. Why do I hate him so much? He was the best ever. He killed the Spurs repeatedly (By himself). As for LeBron..... We destroy that chick all the time. LOL
This Laker fan sees your logic.
I'll even gladly grant you five more LeBarressments if only to go some way to make up for the lingering pain Shaq&Kobe inflicted on our southwestern adversaries ;-).
Agree as a Spurs fan myself I was never afraid for my Spurs when we faced Lebron. There was something about coach Pop that didnt allow Lebron to play great against us. The one game where I was terrified of Lebron was game 7 of 2013. Not saying they are better than Lebron on the all time great list but Kobe, Dirk and KD gave me nightmares as a Spurs fan because they always took it to the next level against us. Kobe on 2001, 2002 and 2008 made me angry. Dirk 2006 and every single time we faced him specially when we are on the same division on his prime. KD 2012 and 2016 when Thunder and the Spurs were fighting for the number 1 spot of the West.
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Spurs went 2-1 vs LeBron in the finals. Really wasn't all the time or a blowout.
+1
Most of MJ’s steals were him stealing LBJ’s hairline
I cant count it bro
Lmfao 😆🤣😂
He cant steal lebrons hairline cuz he never had one
Khaleesi Rajah Amsawi Jordan is literally bald
@Dats a paddlin Not true! Jordan was going bald, so he shaved his head guy. And it's "he wanted to" not "he wanted too". MJ cultists with all the brains and whatnot...
As a casual basketball watcher, and ignoring all the stats, let me tell you just from watching these two guys I cannot fathom why it's even an argument. Jordan was agile and fluid, running circles around the other team. I don't see how James even stands out from other typical players.
Jordan was like a matador and lebron was the actuall bull..he should be the chicago bull
Hey man your content is great, ive just started watching the NBA over the past couple years and your content is really awesome for getting some context in todays league. Good stuff 👍🏼
Forgot one tiny little thing NCAA Championship and Game winning shot, killer instinct confirmed from day one.
Frank Goozie that's the one thing I see lacking in LeBron and I have theory why. LeBron is great but he seems to lack that maniacal desire to win at any cost that Jordan did. Remember LeBron James was has been told he's the chosen one since he can probably remember. Dude could of played in the NBA at 16. Jordan was told he wasn't even good enough to play on his freshman high school basketball team. He was never called the chosen one. He had more to prove. He had doubters. Spent his entire career proving them wrong.
Michael Graham Even the Bulls were a little disappointed when they drafted MJ as he wasn't 7 feet.
Jason Dyrkacz exactly the 7 foot center was the big thing then. Everyone says the Trail Blazers fucked up bad but at the time it made sense. They already had Clyde Drexler who was very much similar to Jordan at the time.
lebron didn't win a NCAA championship because he didn't go to college, didn't even need collage to prove he was NBA ready.
Shrek Is A Baller perhaps he’s regretting that now maybe he’d be better than Jordan if he had learned those developmental skills. It’s a fact that Jordan is better fundamentally, footwork and defensively. Oh and while he was there he won the title on a game winning shot. NCAA title is harder to win than an NBA title, it’s a tournament one game elimination, you have a different team every year and only 4 chances in your lifetime.
For me once the guy you checking gets Finals MVP on you the debate has to be over. I can't even fathom MJ letting someone just ball on him in the championships. Both great players but only one is a cold blooded killer. My two cents.
The way he took Drexler being compared 2 him ........PERSONAL
Just the way MJ played the game... man why is this a topic... by far a true champion
Thank you for bringing up the 2014 Finals when the Spurs tore the Heat apart. Wade played hurt and out of shape but Kawhi kept LeBron from having any real impact on the series despite the 28 points a game he scored. I’d also talk about the 2013 Finals. The Spurs were up 2-1 going into Game 4 in SA. Wade was the best player on the floor in Game 4. He dominated on both ends of the floor. LeBron followed him. He scored more points but it was a vintage Wade performance that won the game. If they had lost, they would’ve been down 3-1 and they would’ve lost. LeBron has played with three dudes (Wade, Kyrie, now AD) who were dominant one on one scorers. Jordan played with none.
Cough Cough*3 point line moved up in 96*Cough Cough
Jack Sacco yup
😂
People forget that. How about we move up the 3 point line when LeBron is up against his toughest competition in the finals?
sadly dom didn't mention that lol
Jack Sacco For just one year.
"The Simplest Argument"
Proceeds to post 21 minute video
It took him 3
simple.. not short
Yeah, what IS the simplest argument anyway?
He said like 17 arguments
Well if you wanna make a simple argument just compare 6 - 0 vs 3 - 6
Or you can go into depth
@@AwwLivSos 6 for 6 simplest argument
@Black MoonHawk
85: out 1st round with a broken foot averaging 28.2 per game
86: out 1st round averaging 22.7 per game and scored 63 points to a team who was a 1st defensive team (Celtics eventually won the championship)
87: out 1st round averaging 37.1 PPg to a team to a team who went to the finals (Celtics again but eventually lost to the Lakers)
88: out 1st round to a team and still average 35.0 PPg (Bad boy pistons who went to the finals but eventually lost to the Lakers)
Pippen in 88’: averaged 7.9 PPg so he wasn’t coming off a superstar in the beginning
89: out in conference finals averaging 32.5 PPg (out by pistons who eventually won the championship)
Pippen in 89: 14.4 PPg
90: out in conference finals again by Pistons who eventually won a championship but still averaging 33.6 PPg
Pippen in 90: 16.5 PPg
91: won the championship averaging 31.5 and swept the pistons 4-0 and beat the Lakers (Magic was aging so I would say this is the easiest championship MJ has won) since Lakers were 3rd seed and a 50+ winning team he had to get through the pistons tho and he was older then them so don’t use the pistons were outta their prime because they weren’t
Pippen in 91: 17.8 PPg
92: beat a team in a championship who was a number one seed averaging 30.1 (Portland) who was a 50+ winning team
Pippen in 92: 21.0 PPg
93: beat a team in a championship who was number one seed averaging 32.6 ppg (Suns) who were a 60+ winning team
Pippen: 18.6 PPg
95: came outta retirement and was out of the conference semifinals and was out by magic who was a 50+ winning team who went to the finals and lost to the rockets. Pippen was still an MVP playing in his prime.
MJ: 26.9 PPg
Pippen: 21.4 PPg
96: beat a team in a championship who was number one seed and also swept the magic 4-0 is why shaq wanted a trade (SuperSonics) averaging 30.4 PPg
Rodman: 5.5 PPg
Pippen: 19.4 PPg
Bulls: 72-10 season
97: beat a team in a championship who was number one seed who was a 60+ Winning team (Jazz)
MJ: 29.6 PPg
Rodman: 5.7 PPg
Pippen: 20.2 PPg
98: beat a team a in championship who was a number one seed who was a 60+ winning team (Jazz)
This is MJ at 35: 28.7 PPg
Pippen who missed 35 games that season and was 32: 19.1 PPg
Rodman was 37: 4.7 PPg
At this point Pippen fell off as a superstar after Jordan retired along with Rodman
Jordan well averaged well above 20.0 PPg all at the age of 38 when both his knees gave up on him had many 40 and 50 points per game back to back. The point I’m making is that no matter if Jordan lost he knew how to handle himself and won against teams who were not easy to beat is why he is still 6-0 in the finals and only had one all star playing with him all of his career. Had won with a team who was garbage at the beginning and had worked his way up to win championships. He has won in less less time in his full time 11 seasons with Chicago in less time.
Offensive force
Dominant Defender
Has many nba records
Work ethic
Accolades
Unguardable jumpshot
Back to back championships
Clutch
Killer instinct
Good fundamentals in basketball
Competitive player when he needs to be the most especially in the finals= thanos
Lebron is a good versatile player but it doesn’t make him the better player, he has flaws to the game. I had to get outta the Lebron bandwagon last year till I did my research. There’s a reason why the ratings for the nba finals were high in the 90s because they wanna see MJ play, the man doesn’t even have social media and yet we still talk about him, there’s a reason why his shoes keep selling. It’s crazy how he retired and won another 3 peat which is on a another level.
This is why he is the goat.
Thx Dom. I was needed
13:59 “can he stop Jason Terry!!”🤣🤣🤣🤣
And watching MJ do his thing was actually beautiful to watch. Smooth MJ was
Kenneth Dokus mj overrated, lebron is the true goat
Screw Dreams no MJ is the true goat
Lebron MOVES around on the court like an actual goat, sure.
Screw Dreams you’re an idiot if you believe that
Dan Bachtold thank you I'm glad to be able to tell my grandchildren that I've seen MJ in his prime.
Excellent analysis. Loved it.
The BEST video EVER!!!! Plus funniest thing I've ever seen. Thank you!!😂😂😂
This video is nothing but pure straight up facts!!!
Landon Diggz RIGHT!
Here is the problem lebron started when he was 18 when did Michael start?
Chiefs 2016 Champs Yea his argument is that he was older when he first started playin
Landon Diggz u can't get mad at facts so just swallow your pride
Terry Jackson swallow my pride? I said it was facts you dumbass! LMAO! Are u slow?
Can he stop Jason terry 😂 made my day. When MJ played they ask who can stop him? no can he stop ..........Magic, Drexler, Barkley,Kemp,Peyton,Stockton etc. For me sport is wining, and MJ was a pure winner thats all.
easy to do when you aren't playing the greatest shooter ever, a top 5 shooter of all time, one of the best defenders in the game, the 2nd best player in the league, and perhaps the greatest 6th man in history
Easy to do when you go against 1 or 2 Hall of famer at a time with their role players.
The thing is Jordan was the one saying to his team "Imma guard the best player tonight". Jordan always guarded the best player on the other team.
Never won without Scottie
@@anonymeanonyme4473 So Scotty what, in the top 30 players of all time thanks to MJ. LeBron Played with Superstars like Dwade, prime Bosh, All star Kevin Love and dont get me started with Kyrie. Fuck outta here lil nigga
Great video bro
Great vid man