My last five motorcycles were: BMWK1200LT; Victory Cross Country Tour; BMWK1600GTL; Harley Davidson Ultra Limited; and Honda Goldwing DCT. Each of them was used for long-distance two-up touring with multi-week trips all over the Lower 48 and Alaska. I like all of them. They are all excellent motorcycles. BMWK1200LT - Rode it to Alaska and back from the Midwest. Superb, comfortable tourer. Big gas tank. Drawbacks: The rear gear of the shaft drive had a habit of failure. Accessing ANYTHING mechanical required at least an hour to disassemble the body work, and another hour to reassemble it. Maintenance was expensive and full of BMW quirkiness. Victory Cross Country Tour - Comfortable tourer. Drawbacks: The engine will cook your legs and feet. The suspension was horrible and there was no aftermarket solution to make it better. Handled well though. Needed an electrically operable windscreen. BMWK1600GTL: A serious mile eater. Huge sail area that made it susceptible to crosswind buffeting. Awesome engine and suspension. Expensive to maintain, especially when there is only one BMW dealer in your area. Higher CoG. Smooth smooth smooth engine. Harley Davidson Ultra Limited: Rode it hard and long including a trip to Alaska and back. Nothing, nothing at all went wrong. Dealers nearly everywhere, competition keeps service costs in check. At its price it should have an electronic windshield. Great build quality. The stock suspension was awful and had to be replaced with aftermarket components. Some frame flex. I'd still own it if my wife had found a way to be comfortable on it. 2021 Goldwing DCT: My current ride and probably my last heavy touring bike (I'm 73). There is nothing about this motorcycle I don't like, although an extra gallon of fuel capacity would be nice. This is a two-wheeled Porsche. Flat six engine, DCT, electronically adjustable suspension, wishbone front suspension with double A-arms, great brakes, etc. I'm getting ready for a ride to Nova Scotia and back. It's very comfortable and easy to ride. It feels like it weighs far less than it actually weighs. Over-engineered like all Honda products. This is an awesome bike, and when it's time to downsize I'll buy another Honda with the DCT transmission. The takeaway - All are excellent. Ride the one you like the most.
Tip for modern bikes such as my k1200lt is to cut up unnecessary plastics. Such as the left panel under the rider seat that gets caught in the seat release (stupid design) cut the hole a bit bigger now I don’t need to take off the saddle.
Here is my take from riding both of these bikes. I bought a Goldwing after testing the K1600. Here is my reason. I owned a 2016 Kawasaki Concours 14. When riding the BMW K1600 I felt the Kawasaki and BMW are similar. The difference is that the BMW is faster and has a lot more gadgets and features than the Kawasaki. Both bikes are top heavy and you have to push the weight around in the corners but they are a sport tourers in my book. Now the Goldwing is just it’s own thing. It’s a bike for me to ride from East Coast to West Coast. The DCT will spoil you. Also I road on Harley Electra Glide ultra classic and I will say the Goldwing rides better than any bike I’ve ever sat one. I get bashed all the time for owning a Goldwing because it’s not a sports bike or it’s not a Harley. At the end of the day, I have comfort and reliability all in one bike. Best of luck to you all.
That's what I'm on right now, the c14. Great bike. But a little too sporty. With all the mods I need to do to make it comfortable for longer tours and adding cruise I may as well get a bike built for touring. The BMW and gold wing are on my short list. Test rides are in order next year.
great comment. i was confused, why I need K1600 when I can get concours 14 for $10000 less.. spending on goldwing makes much more sense than K1600. I would better buy Kawasaki any day than K1600 but if I am spending $15K on Kawasaki, I better spend $10000 more and can get a bike that is unique on its own.
I have a 2012 and 2020 K1600GT, and the '12 has 65k miles on it. Not one valve has needed adjustment. There's no argument that the Goldwing will cost less. But that's like driving an Accord Vs a 3 series. For some people, the added performance and feel are worth the cost. People don't date strippers or buy Ferraris because they are 'a good value', lol. :) Other than that, great, honest review. If you're interested in more BMW content, come on over!
I too had a 2012 GTL ... light years ahead of all bikes. Now im on a 2018 Grand America Bagger. Big difference with the Bagger having the shift assist rev matching tranny. No clutch after first gear. This along with installing an after market windshield and side wings ( that settled the bike down at highway speed) has made this my favorite bike . Test ride one... may change your mind. But i too love the DCT. Great comparison. Ride safe !
I just bought a low mile K1600B Bagger and my buddy went from a 2020 Ultra Glide to a 22 Goldwing and he loved my BMW so much he traded the 3 week old GW for a 2022 K1600 Grand America and is very happy. The only drawback on the BMW is the crappy speakers on the radio...his 22 Goldwing had a nice stereo on it. I love my BMW and just ordered a Bren Tune and a 7Jurok slightly bigger windshield.
Great review. I own a Victory Vision Tour, am 6'4" and weigh in the 280lb range. I use this bike for everything and it has been very cost friendly and reliable, but I am 67 years old now and have been considering a Goldwing DCT. At my age with close to 3 Million Miles driving a Semi, not having to shift a motorcycle is appealing. Once we get the supply chain straightened out, I will keep my eyes open. Again, thanks and stay safe!
Hey Vincent.. I cant brag enough on the DCT and ease of riding. My father in law is coming to town next week and I cant wait to show him the DCT. He loves to ride his Harley.. but arthritis has impeded his ability to manage the clutch on his bike.. maybe I can persuade him to try out the GW?
Hi Vincent, I have ridden my 2013 Vision for 39000 miles so far and can’t complain about any thing. Last fall I made the decision to purchase a DCT and keep my Vision too. Both have strong positives. The Vision of course has the most unique styling of any production bike I’ve ever seen to date! It rides very comfortably on long trips with a passenger and pulling a trailer. I also installed a Loydzz timing gear which I’d recommend to any Victory rider as it improved engine performance and increased my mpg to 52+mpg. I still love the Vision and think that Polaris made a mistake by dropping the Victory line. In the future I’ll continue to enjoy the ride. Back to the Honda DCT. The reason I bought this bike was initially because I’m getting a little arthritis in my left hand (68 years old) and pulling a clutch was getting to be a “pain”. When I got on the DCT I immediately felt the ride differences, it was smoother and much easier to control at both high and low speeds, especially in a slow tight turn! I didn’t experience ANY hesitation or uncertainty about tipping over with a passenger as I sometimes do on the Vision. My mpg isn’t as good with the DCT, my best mileage has been 44 mpg as a single rider and 36 mpg with a passenger while pulling the trailer. Overall the DCT is a more comfortable ride on long trips and is more responsive for acceleration. I love them both equally and plan to keep them. I hope this helps.
Victory Vision was best bike I ever owned. I wish I had not sold it. My Indian Chief just sits in the garage. Im turning 70 in a few months and thinking that a GW might inspire me to get back to riding.
There’s a decade’s difference of technology between the two. The Gold Wing in production for 45+ years has a “refined” delivery of performance. Rear tire is a 200 vs 180-190 for the GTL. So the Wing’s that might enhance the perfection of slow speed stability. The Wing’s DCT tech developed in 2010 is sublime. It does spoil once you understand how to skillfully operate it. There are riders on YT that demonstrate absolute proficiency with this DCT. Practice is paramount with all slow speed skills, regardless of transmission type. The GTL of 2022 has been improved in the driver information/TFT display size and offerings while and the front end look/design includes lean-sensing lighting. But not much else has changed. A word about lighting. IMHO. Today with so much cager distraction using cell phones and in-car tech. I strongly would consider adding some Gold Strike LED or Custom Dynamics appointments. At least a set of Denali D7 high 15k lumen under the mirrors. Thanks for the thoughtful review. BTW. Not spoken about is the valuable automotive decibel horns on both of these bikes. Wonderful feature. No other bikes in production have such a feature. Safety is paramount. The other is to the Wing’s favor. Backlit handlebar switches for night riding. BMW never had this in their Touring bikes. Never understood that. Ride safe and ride often. ATGATT.
The BMW K1600GTL wins everytime.. let me tell you why... Fuel Capacity, Speed, Luggage capacity, ride and most of FUN... I have taken mine to every country in europe and have ridden for 12 hours and most 18 hours without getting ass-sore or fed up of ridding.. It puts a HUGE grin on my face every ride and the K1600 corners better than the goldwing and just makes it fun.. in a straight line K1600 faster.. better fuel economy and just all round better in my opinion.. But I do appreciate everyone is different and than kgod for that or everyone would want a K1600!!!! But seriously neither is a bad bike... if you want a sofa then the Honda..if you want funa nd a motorcycle then BMW.... well thats my opinion.. BTW Great vid..
Good review, I think you were spot on . I had a 2016 K 1600 GT , and now I have a 2018 6 speed manual Goldwing. One thing that I thought, that the Beemer was a better handing bike in the twisties. The Goldwing is a much more comfortable bike for longer rides . Both bikes are great tho. One thing that the Goldwing really sold me on ,was the dealership network. I have at least 6 dealerships that can work on my Wing . The BMW I had ride at least 3 hours to get service work done. Ride safe.
Good points Michael! I also think BMW also has a higher maintenance cost if you take it to the dealership as well. I recall some sticker shock when I came up on the BMW valve adjustment interval.
Hello from Broomfield, Colorado….just found your channel and these are the 2 bikes with the BMW RT as well that I’m thinking of getting next. I currently ride a Kawasaki Versys 1000. Thanks for the channel!
I had owned 2 K’s, GTLE and GA. I own now, 2020 Goldwing DCT Tour, since new. The best bike I have ever owned in 32 years of riding. None comes close…. Period, done, over with. I honestly don’t know what could replace it, till today. I got so spoiled riding it and can’t get off of it.
Good review. For me the elephant in the room is the cost of maintenance....valve adjustments...tire changes...cost of parts and predicted overall reliability. I'm looking at the regular goldwing without the tour pack. I haven't had a chance to ride one yet. Thanks for creating this video!
I’m not real interested in doing my own maintenance, because I lack the aptitude (and time-I’d rather ride). When I purchased mine, I bought an extended Honda warranty. It adds an additional 5 years to the 3 year warranty, for a total of 8 years. It also adds road service. Also, the dealer offered me a prepaid maintenance plan. 3 years of unlimited mile maintenance for $1500. I’m planning on 8-12k miles per year. Maintenance intervals on the GW are every 4k (oil changes every 8k). It includes picking the bike up by trailer, and dropping it off. I think it’s a fairly good deal, if you plan on doing some big miles. Lol, my other bike is a BMW. I like it, but the maintenance cost on that is higher. And because there is only one dealer in my area of the state, it can be a chore trying to get it in for maintenance. In my opinion, the Honda is just a better built bike.
Thank you for the great review. I'm trying to decide between these two bikes, and you covered all of the areas I'm concerned with. I have a BMW R1250RS, and I love the bike for short trips, maybe a few hundred miles over one or two days. But I'm planning to take longer trips across several states, and I was trying to decide between these two bikes. Your review helped me decide that the Goldwing is the better bike for long distance touring. Thanks again!
Great review based on real world experience. The older you get the more body part angles and comfort gets important. At 6'4" my back couldn't take the low seating and out front feet of the Indian while sitting high with the knees bent with feet back on the KTM 1290 SA didn't work either. The GW promotes an upright sitting position just as you show and it works great for me. I met an 80 yr old rider on a Wing a couple years back and he said the WIng was the best of all. I agree with him now! The DCT gets it all done while having fun.
Loved this review. I tested out both bikes and decided on the GTL. The Wing is definitely a category to itself but i enjoyed the speed, power and feel of the BMW more. At the end of the day it is about what you enjoy the most as they both have their own strengths. Radio is definitely better in the wing but i dont like the distraction so rarely use it. Dct for me is cool but i prefer standard. Keep up the good work.
Totally agree with you. Got the 2021 GW DCT Tour. Been riding since I was 7 now I'm 68, owned many different bikes. Traded in my 2018 HD Road Glide Ultra on the Wing, not sorry. This bike does everything beautifully. Love this Motorcycle!
I regularly see K1600 advertised with new engines and gearboxes fitted under warranty. imagine the cost outside of warranty! I average over 50mpg on my Wing 6speed. also check out depreciation - BMW owners you are in for shock.The Wing is the safe bet !! Richard Cottingham UK
Never got the shock. 80,000 miles on my GTL and never a hint of trouble . Maintenance costs only. My Harley Road King needed a top end rebuild at 42,000 miles.
Still have my '15 K1600 GT (not the GTL); parted with my GL1800 and Concours 1400 when I bought the GL. I've put some time on the GTL as a loaner when the GT was dropped off for routine maintenance. The GT is my 13th bike (and longest stretch without buying a new bike). Currently have 128K miles on it. When I sold the GL, it had 110K miles. I did spend an afternoon on the new 'wing DCT. My thoughts: 1st the GT has been the best overall bike I've owned. There's supposedly a limiter on the GTL; but the GT has a top speed in excess of 165mph; of which I've reached 155 on the GPS coming back to Las Vegas from Death Valley on a very hot day. The Goldwing; I reached 122 on I-70 near hwy 128 in Utah (just west of the CO line); the wind coming up from thru the fairing actually blew off the right speaker cover. The GTL, is limited (as I believe the GT is now currently). Gas mileage; really shouldn't be that much a difference in the GT and GTL gas mileage; following the limits, I get no less than 51mpg overall city/hwy in the Phoenix area. When loaded down on my cross country rides, and riding 5-10 above the limit; I get approx 44-46 mpg. On the 'wing, I'd get 34 mpg; when loaded down on cross country, 32mpg. Handling; 1st, you are not imagining the parking lot speed handling; the wing is much better; the cg is lower. But once on the road the GT (and I believe the same goes for the GTL), is noticeably better. Back on the parking lot speeds and obstacle course handling; the wing (at least anything prior to '09), the front forks were terrible for flexing. Many tried to solve by installing a fork bracket/stiffener; that was not the solution. A different set of steering stem bearings (after market heavy duty...forgot the recommended manufacturer) is what solves the problem. Anyhow; the BMW is (my opinion with over 100K miles on each bike on all road types) is better. But, the 'wing is extremely good; check out "Yellow Wolf at Deals Gap" you tube videos; thats a GL1800 he is riding and he puts the sport bike riders to shame...the guy is an expert on the 'wing. I've riden very fast at the Gap on all sorts of bikes; but this guy would embarrass me on anything I've owned (and I've been riding road for nearly 45 years; approx 1 mil miles; and trail and dirt as a kid. Comfort...overall the 1800 was more comfortable than my GT (and my limited experience on the GTL, the 'wing seems better). But, the GT has been very comfortable; I've rode +700 in a day many times, with no reluctance to repeat the next day. If fact, I rode out to San Diego (from home in Phx area), got up the next morning and rode from the Naval base in San Diego, to Jacksonville Beach (Jacksonville FL) in just under 32 hrs (3 hours was a nap on a picnic table in E TX). Record timed ride from LA to NYC was done on a 1600GT (Carl Reese) around 33 hours. Anyhow; the wing is more comfort; the BMW is fine. The only problem I had comfort with the wing; was the angle of sweep back on the bars would numb out my shoulder. The engine; the BMW cannot be touched for the torque and HP; it's just head and shoulders above any bike in the category. The transmission; only rode the DCT for a short afternoon; but from that short ride, the wing easily outshines the 1600. If fact, the 1600's trans is sort of clunky between 1 and 2 (up or down); and many times goes to N if you get lazy on the shift. That's sort of normal on a lot of bikes; but more so on the GT. The 'wing correctly shifts instantaneously; a real good rider on a manual shift cannot do better. The audio system...the BMW really stinks; hands-down to the wing. Even using the Sena 20S on the BMW; still sub par audio and the bluetooth connection to keep the phone and the bikes audio system properly working is bad. Unfortunately, J&M Audio just down the road in Tucson stopped installing hard wire on the BMW due to BMW requesting them to halt due to proprietary infringement; that happened 1 week after buying my bike. Fun factor...the BMW (at least the GT); just a better handling bike in the canyons, more nimble (except for those parking lot speeds), and blows away everything on the highway except for super sports. Suspension; I have to give the BMW the edge; the front sticks to the road better and steers better. But, surprise; although I love my BMW, and it is the best bike I've owned; it's nearing time for a change. I went shopping for the new 'wing last month...only 1 new in the area, and it's not the full tour model. Some used ones in the area; but priced real high. So...I will wait. Speaking of the trunk/storage capacity...the only knock I have on the 'wing since the remodel, is the reduction in storage capacity; can't even store a helmet in the side anymore. Last; I'm sure the GTL rides fine with 2; the 'wing is known for great 2-up riding. Plenty of rides to Cali and UT riding 2-up on my old 1800; but my (adult) kids and my wife do not like riding long on my GT; in fact my wife won't ride on it anymore.
Hey Mr T! A big part of the purchase decision on the GW when I had no reference was to get my wife riding with me again.. I didnt realize at that time how awesome the GW is relative to the other performance riding factors. Thanks for sharing your expansive experience and detailed comments! Ride safe!
That’s terrible fuel mileage for an 01-17 Goldwing. What were your average speeds? I got my best fuel economy on long trips fully loaded two up usually 46 mpg. Worst was commuting to work in winter coming in at around 36 mpg.
@@Kwhopperfan Wow; what the heck was i thinking...fact that i could get 260 on a full tank is obvious my mind was somewhere else. Yes; I would get around 41 42 a gal on the wing; a few less on cross country when I stacked a bag on the trunk rack; strapped more on top of that, and even more on the passenger seat. But; there were plenty of times where the mpg would dip to mid 30s on cross country by setting cruise at 90 and leaving alone for several miles at a time...or varying interstate speeds between 75 to +100 if traffic was very light. Thanks for calling that out.
@@tbaker294 speed makes a huge difference, I was just really surprised because I was quite happy with the older Goldwing mpg. I never toured at those speeds, tried to keep the revs under half max rpm which only netted around 72 mph. Had it been chain drive I would have swapped sprockets in a heartbeat to take advantage of all the torque off idle.
Curerntly have a 2012 goldwing and 2018 k1600 gtl. I know the goldwing is an older version but after test riding a 2018 goldwing and the 2018 gtl, I went w the Gtl. I had a few problems with the bike but BMW warranty is absolutely wonderful. Both brands will stand behind there products. I think one day I will own a goldwing w a dct.
I own a 2014 GTL and love it. I bought her used with 3900 miles loaded with every BMW and aftermarket accessory including full Akrapovic exhaust. Concerning the DCT or shift assist to me it's irrelevant on the GTL as you can leave her in 6th from 30-140. I like the Goldwing and may buy one If I come across a good deal. I do agree about the seating as I feel I am IN the bike on GTL rather than on top on the Honda. Thanks for the video.
I was in my late 20s when I owned a bike. It was a YZ250 off road. Its been 20 plus years later an now I’m wanting a street bike to ride. I haven’t been on a bike since then. I’m not a light guy. I’m 5.11 an 267 lbs. I’m doing research to see what would fit me to get back into riding. Thank you for your time.
Hey KillJoy! Hopefully my video will help you on your decision.. both bikes would make great options for your needs if you prefer longer rides or sports touring.. Good luck on your search!
Hey Eddie! The GTL inline 6 does sound like a jet engine at full throttle! The GW is way nimble in the twisties.. don’t be fooled by her voluptuous good looks! Thanks for the comment.
Thanks for taking the time for this informative video, just one point. I have a 2014 gtl/e, I can get two helmets in the top case, Shoei neotec/ Shark, all I do is put them on their side, it works. Cheers
I have a 2019 black Goldwing Tour. I’m a big fan of your blacked out 21. It’s the best bike I’ve owned and agree with all your comments on it. I had a 2010 Stratoliner Deluxe. Never had any issues, but it was a heavy steering bike. At speed it rode great. Great review of both bikes.
Hey Jeff.. thanks for the feedback! I really enjoyed my Roadliner that I added the OEM bags to.. pearl white.. wish I would have kept that bike in the stable.. take care!
Thanks for the kind words Michael! A close friend of mine swears by his RT. He put 168000 miles on his bike and loved every minute of it. Then moved to adventure bikes.
Amazing...I was looking at the K1600 GTL as well. The Goldwing won because I just like the way it looks. I still have my 2016 Wing and my 2013 ZX14R for now. Either way Wing or GTL, you can't go wrong.
Glad I found this video. I’ve always been a BMW guy since I started riding due to their simplicity in working on the boxer engines. Currently have a ‘05 1200RT and have been looking at the new 1250RT, 1600GTL and the Goldwing Tour DCT. I’m turned off by the fact BMW got rid of the option of using a Garmin and having to go into the TFP to turn on heated seats and grips. Having owned a GSA and my RT, I do wish Honda had a larger gas tank for my IBA rides. That seems to be my only disappointment with the Honda.
I own a 2022 DCT tour and I know someone who has the BMW, The DCT is of course the biggest like. I'm surprised you didn't no hole in the seat for a driver back rest on the BMW, which is crazy for a touring bike in my opinion. The small trunk is so small you can't fit even 1 helmet in the BMW. The dealer network is more sparse for BMW and costlier to maintain.
I hear everyone talk about reliability on the K1600 and if that's the case get the extended warranty when the 36k warranty is up the most you'll drop is $1000 max $1500 love the Goldwing but the fit and finish on the K1600 is impeccable. I drove one with a Remus exhaust raced a Street glide special on the 405 here in SoCal he had the 131 Stage 4 and it didn't do nothing I walked him up and down from 50 on up. I do love the DCT Goldwing just wish Honda would come out with better colors white, gray, metallic blue etc...
Love. Y 2021 GW DCT TOUR, the transmission is 7 spd and identical to Porsches’s hi performance PDK transmission …… so fast it’s crazy (Ducati owner here) … at Daytona bike week so many souped up Harleys were so embarrassed by the DCT, and I’m talking big huge differences. Planning to do Wyoming in July
@@MileHighAdventures Funny you ask…… the DCT transmission is a “smart” one that senses your driving mode and adapts to it…. So, yea if I’m challenged at a stoplight I’ll mode it to Sport because I’ve been feathering it on Tour but; had I been aggressive the DCT is virtually already in sport mode even if it shows tour settings
Both are Super Tourers. K 1600 Engine and Transmission combo is as smooth as silk. Have not been on a Goldwing to make a comparison. That all Black Model looks pretty cool.
Great report. Enjoyed the review. I have a 2022 wing and always wondered how it would compare to BMW. One note, I drive my wing in San Jose traffic, and one day a BMW Past me very fast. BMW’s do have power.
I guess that's why we have such variety in bikes... everyone has different tastes. I did feel like you may have missed the mark on a couple of things you said though. Not quite sure how you got "30 or 20" mpg on your GTL. Either you're just not remembering accurately or something was very wrong with your bike. I've had a 2012 and a 2018, with over 40k miles on the two. Combined city and highway, I generally get 38 mpg, and solely highway it's around 42mpg. The only time I drop to the low 30s is when I'm doing 80mph or higher and have a strong headwind. If you do the math; with 7 gallons that'll normally get you deep into the 250-280 range). The Wing can't approach that. I love not having to fill up every single time I stop for a break. I was also surprised that you said the Honda has better handling & suspension. I'll grant you, the Wing is more stable in a straight line, especially at low speeds, but some of us love the twisties and the GTL is the hands down winner there. It's nimbler, faster and has great brakes. You can tour across the country, but when you get where you're going and there are a set of twisties, the GTL is the fun partner. It's like having two bikes for the price of one. Since you said you live in Colorado, I would have thought you'd mention how good the GTL was in those Rocky Mountain twisties. The new Wing is a very "nice" touring bike with good torque, more weight low down for good low speed stability, good comfort and nice quality. But if you have a penchant for performance, the GTL is the hands-down winner. And by the way, with this new generation Wing, Honda had way less luggage capacity than the GTL. Now, after tons of complaints, Honda enlarged their capacity to match the GTL's. After my first GTL, I thought I might change... until I rode the GTL and GW back to back... and bought another GTL ;)
Hey Tibor! You make solid points around the GTL and I don’t disagree on the performance of the GTL. I primarily ride two up on my Goldwing in the Rocky Mountains and no bike that I have owned feels as good cutting through the corners loaded with a passenger and luggage. I am purely going from memory on my GTL fuel economy and could be off for sure. A typical ride for me would include a climb of 6000 ft and plenty of wind riding across the plains or exceeding 12000 ft above sea level. These factors would certainly impact fuel economy as well. Thanks for the feedback!
Tibor - question to you, have you ever ridden a Goldwing in twisties? I belong to the Lone Star BMW riders in Dallas, Texas and have ridden all over the country with every BMW model they sell with members riding them in the club the past 3 years. We typically ride aggressive in the curves hitting 65 to 80 miles per hour on technical roads. I have the DCT model and not once EVER has a BMW bike in the club ever left me! I easily stay with them or can go just as fast......BMW's are certainly amazing bikes and they can go faster on the top end as they have 160hp vs the Goldwing @ 125hp. Go ride the new Goldwing in the twisties and you will change your mind - there is not a BMW bike in the club that will outperform my bike more superior than my Goldwing!!! I love the BMW's by the way, they are truly phenomenal bikes, but i can tell you have not ridden one in the twisties- the new Goldwing does not take a backseat to BMW in performance. I got the most improved rider award in the club - the people in the club can flat out ride!
@@kevinmcqueen2899 Answer to you... yes I've ridden the GW in the twisties. First let me commend you on your apparently good riding skills amongst your friends. That being said, I stand by what I said. The GTL is MUCH nimbler than the GW. It will drop into turns, especially tight ones, much more quickly and easily than the Wing, which has comparatively heavy steering The GTL has the same torque as the GW, so you can rocket out of slow corners, and of course it has quite a bit more horsepower when you get on it. You mention that you haven't ridden any of those BMWs, but they "haven't left" you. Perhaps you have a bit more skill than your ride mates, or it's the fact that you call public roads that you can ride at 80mph... technical. On a real "technical" road where you are going through hairpins, switchbacks, off-camber turns, etc., the GW will NOT keep up with a GTL, if they are ridden by riders of equal skill. If you love your GW, that's all that matters. And I will freely admit that it's a fantastic touring bike with great handling. It's the happy medium between an American V-Twin and the big BMW.
When it comes to touring long distance the Goldwing is king. It just is and has been for 40 years. But the new Gen bike really kicks it up a notch. That said it still is missing some things like adaptive cruise control that other touring bikes do have.
Extended range with size of fuel tank can be more convenient for rides like the Blue Ridge Parkway. Or anywhere when fuel availability or riding off of one’s planned route to get fuel is inconvenient.
25-30 mpg on a k16? I had to do some interstate a few weeks ago and got 40, 2 up, doing 90. Just sold my GTL and im trying to decide whether to get another GTL or a goldwing. Very helpful review.
I'm thinking about buying the new Gold wing Dct series as I'm 69 and have a bad left foot which has CRPS and makes it hard for me to change gears all the time. I bought a new 2021 BMW K1600 Grand American which I found it was very top-heavy and almost dangerous sometimes to ride here in Australia. also the speakers were low volume.also couldn't put both feet flat on the ground . over-all very unhappy with the bike Sold the bike after the first 1000 klm....At the moment we haven't any Honda Gold Wing DCT series here .so will have to wait. Last time I heard the price here in Australia was around $50,000 but now with none here they can't give me a Price on the new 2022 Mod.
Great review! My ‘21 Tour DCT gets so much more riding in than my BMW. I recently did an Iron Butt Ride around Lake Superior, and it was a blast. The bike is just so easy to ride. The electronics could be updated a bit, but I enjoy the Apple CarPlay.
@@MileHighAdventures it’s a hassle. It does work properly. I use Cardo, so I wait for it to tell me that the headset is connected, before I plug the phone in. What I don’t like is my phone cabled to my bike, when I want to take a picture of something. Honda should update the system to a more relevant Bluetooth version, instead of BT 2.1. The navigation system on the bike is clunky too. CarPlay nav is slick and works great. I would prefer it to have wireless CarPlay like a few of the higher end vehicles.
Your foot position on the pegs were different in your demonstration. On the GTL your feet were placed on the balls of your feet were on the Goldwing you moved your feet forward as your feet are on the arch. This exaggerated the knee angle. Not sure this was accidental or intentional.
Hey Craig.. I noticed that too after the initial edit. Not intentional but the foot position is noticeable between the two bikes.. thanks for the feedback.
Looking for my first touring bike, don’t know the best decision over a goldwing or a Harley For maintenance, comfort, extras, fuel consumption etc Any tips? Usually I drive my forza 125cc and has been my first bike
Harley’s never gave me the desired power that the Goldwing provides .. so I have never bought an HD.. but have ridden HD loaners for fun.. and have several HD friends.. most of them are brand loyal and like the HD community and culture
The bigger the fuel tank, the greater your reserve before running out of gas which is important when you are lost and searching for gas. Normally, agreed, your butt needs a break before you run out of gas. You get reminded of the GTL top heaviness every time you come to a stop at a stop sign or traffic light. Forces you to pay attention. Too much lean and the bike goes over. The Wing bottoms out easier than it should . Never had my GTL bottom out. Ride is not the same as handling. BMW beats the wing on handling without a doubt. Wing is longer wheel base so its more stable at highway speed especially with cross winds The helmet on the GTL on its side, face shield facing forward fits. You didn't cover the wing cant fit a helmet in either side bag and up until 2021 it can finally fit 2 in the top case same as the GTL.
Hey Dawgs.. Thanks for some excellent points.. Im still putting down miles on the GW.. and I feel more planted cornering the GW 2 up than what I did on my GTL.. it seems like a pillion has no impact to the handling feel on the GW.. where as I felt I needed to stay aware of the additional weight of the pillion on the GTL... maybe this is due to higher pillion placement... Im not quite sure
The Goldwing looks as though it has no room to stretch out your legs. I could not ride long trips with my legs stuck at a 90 degree angle the entire time. The K1600 at least has options for highway pegs or footboards with the K1600B
Always amuses me when people compare these two bikes. Ones a full on tourer. The others listed as a sport tourer. It’s like comparing a limousine and a grand tourer.
The worst designed most full of glitches motorcycle I ever owned was a BMW K 1200 LT. The experience I had with my very first BMW after four decades of riding mostly Japanese and Italian motorcycles, that was not a good experience. I ain’t never going out on that BMW limb ever again.. I don’t know what’s happening with BMW motorcycles hearing United States, but there used to be three BMW dealers within 90 minutes of my home. They’re all gone. I do not even know where there is a BMW dealer any more. And that’s a problem because, they are so technical now, that you have to marry the dealer. if you have ever watched one of those television car auctions Mecum car auction and the other one that they run for hours. Notice what older simple Ford, Chevy, Dodge pick up trucks are selling for. Nothing fancy, just Ford F1 50s, Chevy C 10, or Chevy Silverado older pick ups. They’re selling for far more than they sold for new. People wanna have vehicles that they can work on and understand and you don’t have to take it to the dealer for all those electronic systems. it will not surprise me if the same trend catches on with motorcycles. I am seeing Moto Guzzi Eldorados selling for six times what they cost new back in the 70s..Some people like all the gadgets and gizmos and buzzers and bells and whistles, and some of us don’t
Hey Jody! To your point.. how many bikes will be sitting in warehouses because of supply chain issues around CPUs.. where as old school bikes could get to market with less technology.. there could be a shift if models offered purely based on what materials manufacturers can get their hands on in the short term.. Thanks for the comment!
@@MileHighAdventures Who knows, who knows if whatever generation kids we have now won’t even be interested in anything other than video games in their cell phones. in the late 60s when I first started riding, I traded my Honda 305 superhawk for a seized Bridgestone 350 GTR.. The guy didn’t put oil in the oil tank.. that machine had chrome bores, A six speed transmission, it would start in any gear just by pulling the clutch in and kicking it which was revolutionary, it would start without a battery. It had a dry clutch that only road racing machines had at the time. It had a 6 gallon gas tank.. it was a rotary valve twin which made the engine a bit wide for a two stroke twin, but it was in my opinion the best 350two-stroke on the market by far. bridge stones were making their mark in the United States. People recognize that these things were fantastic. They made a 175 that ran circles around the competition. dealers were popping up.. winter came and Bridgestone poured the coal on at the factory yo flood the hungry market with new machines for the next season… then one of the saddest pages in history of motorcycling in the United States happened. Second only to the Harley tariff of the 1980s.. The longshoreman went on strike nationwide and would not unload ships. Those ships loaded with the next year’s brand new Bridgestone motorcycles sat along with ships loaded with cars and goods and perishables and steel sat for months .. thousands of ships could not get unloaded because of the longshoreman strike that lasted four months.. Bridgestone completely missed the buying season that year, they went bankrupt. at that time I had already had about five motorcycles pass through my grubby hands. And over the next for decades, many many many more motorcycles have passed through my hands.. of all of the two strokes, that Bridgestone 350 was the best of them all. They were the leading cutting edge of technology. Yamaha and Kawasaki used chrome bores and dry clutches- but only on their roadracing machines.. Bridgestone was doing it on their street bikes.. you could put the shifter in the rear brake pedal on either side on that bridge stone. The shaft ran completely through the engine for those who ride English bikes and are used to the shifter being on the right.. I really believe that had that strike not bankrupted Bridgestone. It would be Honda first, then Bridgetown, then Yamaha, Kawasaki, and Suzuki today.. as far as asking me where are all the older bikes right now. I worked in the field for almost 40 years at my real job working for an electric company. In the summer, anytime I would be working in any neighborhood, I was always looking for that motorcycle sitting in the corner of someone’s garage that I could see from the street or on their back porch or under a tarp forgotten and neglected. I would leave a note asking to buy it while there’s still something left of it while it’s still worth something anyway. And I bought many many, too many motorcycles that way. I have always been able to resurrect them. Kawasaki triples, Yamaha Twins 650s, Honda 750s, I actually found three Honda CB 400 F motorcycles that way. I rode one of them for three years commuting. The other two are almost perfect, red ones. I had Yamaha RD’s given to me to get them out of the garage, I had a 650 Yamaha given to me..That’s how I found a Yamaha 1982 920 RH with that giant headlight, and that horrible sounding virago starter that sounded like a cement mixer with bricks in it… all those old bikes are out there sitting somewhere, forgotten, and I’m sure the people would be glad to get the space freed up. I know where there’s a CBX sitting outside, and it has been sitting there for years. It’s too far gone so I never made an offer on it.. I was offered a triumph 650 by a coworker for free.. it was complete, he took the engine out of it and the wheels off so he could store it in his basement. It sat for decades, he offered it to me, I didn’t want it, not even for free .. he gave it to a kid in his neighborhood, and he told me that he saw that kid riding that bike around from time to time years later.. where are all those old bikes? They are out there
This reminds me that I have a 2009 KLX 250 in my shed that I need to tear the carburetor apart and clean it out.. that thing is severely cold blooded.. and hard to start cold.. especially in the mountains
I’m changing out of a R1250GS because it’s not real good two up with 60lbs of baggage. All that weight up high and aft makes it difficult to manoeuvre at low speeds. How does the Goldwing handle with a passenger and too much luggage?
I was riding with a passenger in the GW Evergreen video and I couldn't feel any difference in handling performance. I do remember a difference on the GTL with a pillion especially during slow speed maneuvering but minimal at typical road speeds.
Go get a new BMW and compare them again .changing tire on the two bike .it faster and cost lesson the BMW .I ride my BMW 8 hrs a day with no problems .I know guys that did the 3 flags and say when the BMW get tired of the riding with the Honda they leave the Honda behind and don't look back . There is a you tube of a test ride for 24 hrs then 18 hrs you have to look up it will blow your mind on the ride
@@MileHighAdventures check out this youtube site bmwk1600gtl test motorcycle tv reveiw he rides a 2014 ,its 38 plus min.you will get a new veiw ,hope you enjoy
My buddy has owned 2 BMW GT both wound up with failed transmissions in a short time and the warranty tab for bike #2 was $17,000 as it had numerous other issues.
I drive tomorrow to test ride the 2022 blacked out manual version and see if I am going to close the deal on it. I was working on a DCT in black but just as I was picking up my cell to call her she texted me to say it just sold. Those were the only 2 black ones in the whole province. There is only one other tour model in the province and it is at the same dealer I am going to. But it is a blue DCT airbag model in blue. I wouldn't mind having the blue but don't want to pay all that extra cash for an airbag on a bike. Deep down I think it is more gimmick than anything else. If you go down chances are you get thrown off anyways.
@@MileHighAdventures It isn't that I don't like the blue. It is the added $3800 to go from the manual to the DCT Air. The airbag adds a lot to the price and I hate the thought of not having that glove box. 3,800 would be a 3,000 USD.
@@sunrisejak2709 As it turned out the only DCT was the one with the airbag. I decided I cannot live paying thousands more for something I don't want and takes away the glove box to put my phone in. After looking at both bikes today we decided on the Gunmetal metallic with the 6 spd. Took it for a ride and fell in love with it before I had even gotten a mile down the road. Just to see these two bikes I had to drive 500 miles from home. They were the only two that were not spoken for. Otherwise it would mean waiting for a 2023 and with fuel costs, etc they are expecting huge increases in prices. Just got home after driving over 1k miles since yesterday and I have to leave again Sunday to drive down on my Harley to drop it off and pick up the new bike Monday morning.
@@Doug_Morgan HI, it's a great choice either way and I'm 100% certain you'll love it just the same. I'm fortunate to have 4 bikes in my garage. 2 BMWs, a Honda and a Suzuki. The Honda (was) as I stupidly sold it. The model was the XADV gen 1. I thought (erroneously) I should simply put more focus on my Beemers. However within days of selling the XADV I had sellers remorse. I immediately ordered the new model. But alas it's now 6 months and counting with no delivery in sight. Honda facing some serious supply chain woes. As it turns out the absence I was missing was the DCT experience. It's kind of addicting. My BMW F900XR would be hugely improved if it had DCT! But we don't live in Fantasy land!😁 As I write this I'm in Phuket Thailand attending "Phuket Bike Week". Rode my F900XR from Bangkok. Still a fun ride with a conventional gearbox so I get your point. Motorcycle gearboxes are pretty darn good and can be enjoyed in various forms. Agree also with your desire for the convenient storage over the airbag. Anyway happy travels and and enjoy that fabulous machine.
Hey Matthew..In this case we did because that is what I owned.. I’ll set up a review with a 2023 GTL and talk about how much that bike has changed..I’m assuming the core of the bike is pretty similar
I have not shipped it to get the Ivan's tune.. I just added the O2 sensor and set to autotune.. I need to revisit that tuning.. I will be replacing the chain and sprockets this summer.
@@MileHighAdventures when I did the Ivan's tune I just shipped the ecu turn around was 7 days.. but that was like 7 years ago so I don't know the turn around but had zero issues and it definitely woke the bike up
My last five motorcycles were: BMWK1200LT; Victory Cross Country Tour; BMWK1600GTL; Harley Davidson Ultra Limited; and Honda Goldwing DCT. Each of them was used for long-distance two-up touring with multi-week trips all over the Lower 48 and Alaska. I like all of them. They are all excellent motorcycles.
BMWK1200LT - Rode it to Alaska and back from the Midwest. Superb, comfortable tourer. Big gas tank. Drawbacks: The rear gear of the shaft drive had a habit of failure. Accessing ANYTHING mechanical required at least an hour to disassemble the body work, and another hour to reassemble it. Maintenance was expensive and full of BMW quirkiness.
Victory Cross Country Tour - Comfortable tourer. Drawbacks: The engine will cook your legs and feet. The suspension was horrible and there was no aftermarket solution to make it better. Handled well though. Needed an electrically operable windscreen.
BMWK1600GTL: A serious mile eater. Huge sail area that made it susceptible to crosswind buffeting. Awesome engine and suspension. Expensive to maintain, especially when there is only one BMW dealer in your area. Higher CoG. Smooth smooth smooth engine.
Harley Davidson Ultra Limited: Rode it hard and long including a trip to Alaska and back. Nothing, nothing at all went wrong. Dealers nearly everywhere, competition keeps service costs in check. At its price it should have an electronic windshield. Great build quality. The stock suspension was awful and had to be replaced with aftermarket components. Some frame flex. I'd still own it if my wife had found a way to be comfortable on it.
2021 Goldwing DCT: My current ride and probably my last heavy touring bike (I'm 73). There is nothing about this motorcycle I don't like, although an extra gallon of fuel capacity would be nice. This is a two-wheeled Porsche. Flat six engine, DCT, electronically adjustable suspension, wishbone front suspension with double A-arms, great brakes, etc. I'm getting ready for a ride to Nova Scotia and back. It's very comfortable and easy to ride. It feels like it weighs far less than it actually weighs. Over-engineered like all Honda products. This is an awesome bike, and when it's time to downsize I'll buy another Honda with the DCT transmission.
The takeaway - All are excellent. Ride the one you like the most.
Excellent history of some awesome bikes! Thanks for the feedback Mike.
Tip for modern bikes such as my k1200lt is to cut up unnecessary plastics. Such as the left panel under the rider seat that gets caught in the seat release (stupid design) cut the hole a bit bigger now I don’t need to take off the saddle.
Here is my take from riding both of these bikes. I bought a Goldwing after testing the K1600. Here is my reason. I owned a 2016 Kawasaki Concours 14. When riding the BMW K1600 I felt the Kawasaki and BMW are similar. The difference is that the BMW is faster and has a lot more gadgets and features than the Kawasaki. Both bikes are top heavy and you have to push the weight around in the corners but they are a sport tourers in my book. Now the Goldwing is just it’s own thing. It’s a bike for me to ride from East Coast to West Coast. The DCT will spoil you. Also I road on Harley Electra Glide ultra classic and I will say the Goldwing rides better than any bike I’ve ever sat one. I get bashed all the time for owning a Goldwing because it’s not a sports bike or it’s not a Harley. At the end of the day, I have comfort and reliability all in one bike. Best of luck to you all.
Hey 18wheels4life! Thanks for the comments and detailed feedback! Ride safe out there!
@@MileHighAdventures No problem. I enjoyed the video and looking forward to more content. I made sure I like and subscribe. Be safe out there!
It also goes like stink in sports mode
That's what I'm on right now, the c14. Great bike. But a little too sporty. With all the mods I need to do to make it comfortable for longer tours and adding cruise I may as well get a bike built for touring. The BMW and gold wing are on my short list. Test rides are in order next year.
great comment. i was confused, why I need K1600 when I can get concours 14 for $10000 less.. spending on goldwing makes much more sense than K1600. I would better buy Kawasaki any day than K1600 but if I am spending $15K on Kawasaki, I better spend $10000 more and can get a bike that is unique on its own.
I have a 2012 and 2020 K1600GT, and the '12 has 65k miles on it. Not one valve has needed adjustment. There's no argument that the Goldwing will cost less. But that's like driving an Accord Vs a 3 series. For some people, the added performance and feel are worth the cost. People don't date strippers or buy Ferraris because they are 'a good value', lol. :) Other than that, great, honest review. If you're interested in more BMW content, come on over!
LOL.. thanks for the comment Jay 🤣
I too had a 2012 GTL ... light years ahead of all bikes. Now im on a 2018 Grand America Bagger. Big difference with the Bagger having the shift assist rev matching tranny. No clutch after first gear. This along with installing an after market windshield and side wings ( that settled the bike down at highway speed) has made this my favorite bike . Test ride one... may change your mind. But i too love the DCT.
Great comparison. Ride safe !
Thanks for the feedback Luis! I need to head down to BMW and check out one of those Grand Americas!
I just bought a low mile K1600B Bagger and my buddy went from a 2020 Ultra Glide to a 22 Goldwing and he loved my BMW so much he traded the 3 week old GW for a 2022 K1600 Grand America and is very happy. The only drawback on the BMW is the crappy speakers on the radio...his 22 Goldwing had a nice stereo on it. I love my BMW and just ordered a Bren Tune and a 7Jurok slightly bigger windshield.
Hey Luis, what is the name of the side wings, I am very interested.
Great review. I own a Victory Vision Tour, am 6'4" and weigh in the 280lb range. I use this bike for everything and it has been very cost friendly and reliable, but I am 67 years old now and have been considering a Goldwing DCT. At my age with close to 3 Million Miles driving a Semi, not having to shift a motorcycle is appealing. Once we get the supply chain straightened out, I will keep my eyes open. Again, thanks and stay safe!
Hey Vincent.. I cant brag enough on the DCT and ease of riding. My father in law is coming to town next week and I cant wait to show him the DCT. He loves to ride his Harley.. but arthritis has impeded his ability to manage the clutch on his bike.. maybe I can persuade him to try out the GW?
Hi Vincent,
I have ridden my 2013 Vision for 39000 miles so far and can’t complain about any thing. Last fall I made the decision to purchase a DCT and keep my Vision too. Both have strong positives. The Vision of course has the most unique styling of any production bike I’ve ever seen to date! It rides very comfortably on long trips with a passenger and pulling a trailer. I also installed a Loydzz timing gear which I’d recommend to any Victory rider as it improved engine performance and increased my mpg to 52+mpg. I still love the Vision and think that Polaris made a mistake by dropping the Victory line. In the future I’ll continue to enjoy the ride.
Back to the Honda DCT. The reason I bought this bike was initially because I’m getting a little arthritis in my left hand (68 years old) and pulling a clutch was getting to be a “pain”.
When I got on the DCT I immediately felt the ride differences, it was smoother and much easier to control at both high and low speeds, especially in a slow tight turn! I didn’t experience ANY hesitation or uncertainty about tipping over with a passenger as I sometimes do on the Vision. My mpg isn’t as good with the DCT, my best mileage has been 44 mpg as a single rider and 36 mpg with a passenger while pulling the trailer. Overall the DCT is a more comfortable ride on long trips and is more responsive for acceleration.
I love them both equally and plan to keep them. I hope this helps.
Victory Vision was best bike I ever owned. I wish I had not sold it. My Indian Chief just sits in the garage. Im turning 70 in a few months and thinking that a GW might inspire me to get back to riding.
There’s a decade’s difference of technology between the two. The Gold Wing in production for 45+ years has a “refined” delivery of performance. Rear tire is a 200 vs 180-190 for the GTL. So the Wing’s that might enhance the perfection of slow speed stability. The Wing’s DCT tech developed in 2010 is sublime. It does spoil once you understand how to skillfully operate it. There are riders on YT that demonstrate absolute proficiency with this DCT. Practice is paramount with all slow speed skills, regardless of transmission type. The GTL of 2022 has been improved in the driver information/TFT display size and offerings while and the front end look/design includes lean-sensing lighting. But not much else has changed. A word about lighting. IMHO. Today with so much cager distraction using cell phones and in-car tech. I strongly would consider adding some Gold Strike LED or Custom Dynamics appointments. At least a set of Denali D7 high 15k lumen under the mirrors. Thanks for the thoughtful review. BTW. Not spoken about is the valuable automotive decibel horns on both of these bikes. Wonderful feature. No other bikes in production have such a feature. Safety is paramount. The other is to the Wing’s favor. Backlit handlebar switches for night riding. BMW never had this in their Touring bikes. Never understood that. Ride safe and ride often. ATGATT.
Is it possible to ride the rear break with the DCT and pull of an 18’ full lock turn with nothing but throttle input?
The BMW K1600GTL wins everytime.. let me tell you why... Fuel Capacity, Speed, Luggage capacity, ride and most of FUN... I have taken mine to every country in europe and have ridden for 12 hours and most 18 hours without getting ass-sore or fed up of ridding.. It puts a HUGE grin on my face every ride and the K1600 corners better than the goldwing and just makes it fun.. in a straight line K1600 faster.. better fuel economy and just all round better in my opinion.. But I do appreciate everyone is different and than kgod for that or everyone would want a K1600!!!! But seriously neither is a bad bike... if you want a sofa then the Honda..if you want funa nd a motorcycle then BMW.... well thats my opinion.. BTW Great vid..
Thanks for the feedback and glad you enjoyed the video!
Ride both. The K16 will leave a bigger impression. A bigger emotion. That straight 6 is amazing.
Thats an awesome third option Greg! The supercar exhaust note on the GTL is also a hypnotic draw to the bike when I owned the 2012.
Same ..
Good review, I think you were spot on . I had a 2016 K 1600 GT , and now I have a 2018 6 speed manual Goldwing.
One thing that I thought, that the Beemer was a better handing bike in the twisties.
The Goldwing is a much more comfortable bike for longer rides . Both bikes are great tho.
One thing that the Goldwing really sold me on ,was the dealership network. I have at least 6 dealerships that can work on my Wing . The BMW I had ride at least 3 hours to get service work done.
Ride safe.
Good points Michael! I also think BMW also has a higher maintenance cost if you take it to the dealership as well. I recall some sticker shock when I came up on the BMW valve adjustment interval.
@@MileHighAdventures if you take it to a dealer for work - yes. If you have $300 to invest in basic tools - no.
Thanks for your comments. Good done. Greetings from Germany.
Hello NK! Thank you for the feedback!
Hello from Broomfield, Colorado….just found your channel and these are the 2 bikes with the BMW RT as well that I’m thinking of getting next. I currently ride a Kawasaki Versys 1000. Thanks for the channel!
I had owned 2 K’s, GTLE and GA. I own now, 2020 Goldwing DCT Tour, since new. The best bike I have ever owned in 32 years of riding. None comes close…. Period, done, over with. I honestly don’t know what could replace it, till today. I got so spoiled riding it and can’t get off of it.
Good review. For me the elephant in the room is the cost of maintenance....valve adjustments...tire changes...cost of parts and predicted overall reliability. I'm looking at the regular goldwing without the tour pack. I haven't had a chance to ride one yet. Thanks for creating this video!
Hey Gary! I know the BMW valve adjustment was costly and I haven’t looked into that interval for the GW yet. Good luck on your search!
I’m not real interested in doing my own maintenance, because I lack the aptitude (and time-I’d rather ride). When I purchased mine, I bought an extended Honda warranty. It adds an additional 5 years to the 3 year warranty, for a total of 8 years. It also adds road service. Also, the dealer offered me a prepaid maintenance plan. 3 years of unlimited mile maintenance for $1500. I’m planning on 8-12k miles per year. Maintenance intervals on the GW are every 4k (oil changes every 8k). It includes picking the bike up by trailer, and dropping it off. I think it’s a fairly good deal, if you plan on doing some big miles.
Lol, my other bike is a BMW. I like it, but the maintenance cost on that is higher. And because there is only one dealer in my area of the state, it can be a chore trying to get it in for maintenance. In my opinion, the Honda is just a better built bike.
Very good review. I have a GTL, but your preference does not surprise me. Can’t lose with either.
Right on… thanks for the feedback Russ!
Thank you for the great review. I'm trying to decide between these two bikes, and you covered all of the areas I'm concerned with. I have a BMW R1250RS, and I love the bike for short trips, maybe a few hundred miles over one or two days. But I'm planning to take longer trips across several states, and I was trying to decide between these two bikes. Your review helped me decide that the Goldwing is the better bike for long distance touring. Thanks again!
Hey Emanuel! Glad you found my review helpful. Good luck on your search for a new Goldwing and ride safe!
Go goldwing all the time
Great review. I'm not in the market for a BMW, but considering a Goldwing as a 2nd bike for long distance touring with my wife.
Hey Adam! I cannot recommend the GW enough!
Well done! Maybe a little less volume on the music. Great comparison and review.
Thanks for the feedback Steve.. I can never get the music mixed right
Great review based on real world experience. The older you get the more body part angles and comfort gets important. At 6'4" my back couldn't take the low seating and out front feet of the Indian while sitting high with the knees bent with feet back on the KTM 1290 SA didn't work either. The GW promotes an upright sitting position just as you show and it works great for me. I met an 80 yr old rider on a Wing a couple years back and he said the WIng was the best of all. I agree with him now! The DCT gets it all done while having fun.
Loved this review. I tested out both bikes and decided on the GTL. The Wing is definitely a category to itself but i enjoyed the speed, power and feel of the BMW more. At the end of the day it is about what you enjoy the most as they both have their own strengths. Radio is definitely better in the wing but i dont like the distraction so rarely use it. Dct for me is cool but i prefer standard. Keep up the good work.
I have been riding more in sport mode which gives the wing a comparable feel to the BMW without the top end.
Totally agree with you. Got the 2021 GW DCT Tour. Been riding since I was 7 now I'm 68, owned many different bikes. Traded in my 2018 HD Road Glide Ultra on the Wing, not sorry. This bike does everything beautifully. Love this Motorcycle!
Right on Bill! Thanks for the feedback.
I regularly see K1600 advertised with new engines and gearboxes fitted under warranty. imagine the cost outside of warranty! I average over 50mpg on my Wing 6speed. also check out depreciation - BMW owners you are in for shock.The Wing is the safe bet !! Richard Cottingham UK
Never got the shock. 80,000 miles on my GTL and never a hint of trouble . Maintenance costs only. My Harley Road King needed a top end rebuild at 42,000 miles.
Still have my '15 K1600 GT (not the GTL); parted with my GL1800 and Concours 1400 when I bought the GL. I've put some time on the GTL as a loaner when the GT was dropped off for routine maintenance. The GT is my 13th bike (and longest stretch without buying a new bike). Currently have 128K miles on it. When I sold the GL, it had 110K miles. I did spend an afternoon on the new 'wing DCT. My thoughts: 1st the GT has been the best overall bike I've owned. There's supposedly a limiter on the GTL; but the GT has a top speed in excess of 165mph; of which I've reached 155 on the GPS coming back to Las Vegas from Death Valley on a very hot day. The Goldwing; I reached 122 on I-70 near hwy 128 in Utah (just west of the CO line); the wind coming up from thru the fairing actually blew off the right speaker cover. The GTL, is limited (as I believe the GT is now currently). Gas mileage; really shouldn't be that much a difference in the GT and GTL gas mileage; following the limits, I get no less than 51mpg overall city/hwy in the Phoenix area. When loaded down on my cross country rides, and riding 5-10 above the limit; I get approx 44-46 mpg. On the 'wing, I'd get 34 mpg; when loaded down on cross country, 32mpg. Handling; 1st, you are not imagining the parking lot speed handling; the wing is much better; the cg is lower. But once on the road the GT (and I believe the same goes for the GTL), is noticeably better. Back on the parking lot speeds and obstacle course handling; the wing (at least anything prior to '09), the front forks were terrible for flexing. Many tried to solve by installing a fork bracket/stiffener; that was not the solution. A different set of steering stem bearings (after market heavy duty...forgot the recommended manufacturer) is what solves the problem. Anyhow; the BMW is (my opinion with over 100K miles on each bike on all road types) is better. But, the 'wing is extremely good; check out "Yellow Wolf at Deals Gap" you tube videos; thats a GL1800 he is riding and he puts the sport bike riders to shame...the guy is an expert on the 'wing. I've riden very fast at the Gap on all sorts of bikes; but this guy would embarrass me on anything I've owned (and I've been riding road for nearly 45 years; approx 1 mil miles; and trail and dirt as a kid. Comfort...overall the 1800 was more comfortable than my GT (and my limited experience on the GTL, the 'wing seems better). But, the GT has been very comfortable; I've rode +700 in a day many times, with no reluctance to repeat the next day. If fact, I rode out to San Diego (from home in Phx area), got up the next morning and rode from the Naval base in San Diego, to Jacksonville Beach (Jacksonville FL) in just under 32 hrs (3 hours was a nap on a picnic table in E TX). Record timed ride from LA to NYC was done on a 1600GT (Carl Reese) around 33 hours. Anyhow; the wing is more comfort; the BMW is fine. The only problem I had comfort with the wing; was the angle of sweep back on the bars would numb out my shoulder. The engine; the BMW cannot be touched for the torque and HP; it's just head and shoulders above any bike in the category. The transmission; only rode the DCT for a short afternoon; but from that short ride, the wing easily outshines the 1600. If fact, the 1600's trans is sort of clunky between 1 and 2 (up or down); and many times goes to N if you get lazy on the shift. That's sort of normal on a lot of bikes; but more so on the GT. The 'wing correctly shifts instantaneously; a real good rider on a manual shift cannot do better. The audio system...the BMW really stinks; hands-down to the wing. Even using the Sena 20S on the BMW; still sub par audio and the bluetooth connection to keep the phone and the bikes audio system properly working is bad. Unfortunately, J&M Audio just down the road in Tucson stopped installing hard wire on the BMW due to BMW requesting them to halt due to proprietary infringement; that happened 1 week after buying my bike. Fun factor...the BMW (at least the GT); just a better handling bike in the canyons, more nimble (except for those parking lot speeds), and blows away everything on the highway except for super sports. Suspension; I have to give the BMW the edge; the front sticks to the road better and steers better. But, surprise; although I love my BMW, and it is the best bike I've owned; it's nearing time for a change. I went shopping for the new 'wing last month...only 1 new in the area, and it's not the full tour model. Some used ones in the area; but priced real high. So...I will wait. Speaking of the trunk/storage capacity...the only knock I have on the 'wing since the remodel, is the reduction in storage capacity; can't even store a helmet in the side anymore. Last; I'm sure the GTL rides fine with 2; the 'wing is known for great 2-up riding. Plenty of rides to Cali and UT riding 2-up on my old 1800; but my (adult) kids and my wife do not like riding long on my GT; in fact my wife won't ride on it anymore.
Hey Mr T! A big part of the purchase decision on the GW when I had no reference was to get my wife riding with me again.. I didnt realize at that time how awesome the GW is relative to the other performance riding factors. Thanks for sharing your expansive experience and detailed comments! Ride safe!
That’s terrible fuel mileage for an 01-17 Goldwing. What were your average speeds? I got my best fuel economy on long trips fully loaded two up usually 46 mpg. Worst was commuting to work in winter coming in at around 36 mpg.
@@Kwhopperfan Wow; what the heck was i thinking...fact that i could get 260 on a full tank is obvious my mind was somewhere else. Yes; I would get around 41 42 a gal on the wing; a few less on cross country when I stacked a bag on the trunk rack; strapped more on top of that, and even more on the passenger seat. But; there were plenty of times where the mpg would dip to mid 30s on cross country by setting cruise at 90 and leaving alone for several miles at a time...or varying interstate speeds between 75 to +100 if traffic was very light. Thanks for calling that out.
@@tbaker294 speed makes a huge difference, I was just really surprised because I was quite happy with the older Goldwing mpg. I never toured at those speeds, tried to keep the revs under half max rpm which only netted around 72 mph. Had it been chain drive I would have swapped sprockets in a heartbeat to take advantage of all the torque off idle.
Curerntly have a 2012 goldwing and 2018 k1600 gtl. I know the goldwing is an older version but after test riding a 2018 goldwing and the 2018 gtl, I went w the Gtl. I had a few problems with the bike but BMW warranty is absolutely wonderful. Both brands will stand behind there products. I think one day I will own a goldwing w a dct.
I own a 2014 GTL and love it. I bought her used with 3900 miles loaded with every BMW and aftermarket accessory including full Akrapovic exhaust. Concerning the DCT or shift assist to me it's irrelevant on the GTL as you can leave her in 6th from 30-140. I like the Goldwing and may buy one If I come across a good deal. I do agree about the seating as I feel I am IN the bike on GTL rather than on top on the Honda. Thanks for the video.
Hey Russel! Thanks for the comments and feedback.
I was in my late 20s when I owned a bike. It was a YZ250 off road. Its been 20 plus years later an now I’m wanting a street bike to ride. I haven’t been on a bike since then. I’m not a light guy. I’m 5.11 an 267 lbs. I’m doing research to see what would fit me to get back into riding. Thank you for your time.
Hey KillJoy! Hopefully my video will help you on your decision.. both bikes would make great options for your needs if you prefer longer rides or sports touring.. Good luck on your search!
Get that GW
BMW rides very smoooooooooooth !
GW feels like a tractor 🚜
K bike is an airplane ✈️ on 2 wheels 🤙
Hey Eddie! The GTL inline 6 does sound like a jet engine at full throttle! The GW is way nimble in the twisties.. don’t be fooled by her voluptuous good looks! Thanks for the comment.
Thanks for taking the time for this informative video, just one point.
I have a 2014 gtl/e, I can get two helmets in the top case, Shoei neotec/ Shark, all I do is put them on their side, it works.
Cheers
Great point John! I didn't think about trying them sideways.
I have a 2019 black Goldwing Tour. I’m a big fan of your blacked out 21. It’s the best bike I’ve owned and agree with all your comments on it. I had a 2010 Stratoliner Deluxe. Never had any issues, but it was a heavy steering bike. At speed it rode great. Great review of both bikes.
Hey Jeff.. thanks for the feedback! I really enjoyed my Roadliner that I added the OEM bags to.. pearl white.. wish I would have kept that bike in the stable.. take care!
You are blessed I ride the R1200RT, and ridden a couple of Goldwing’s. Ride safe 👍
Thanks for the kind words Michael! A close friend of mine swears by his RT. He put 168000 miles on his bike and loved every minute of it. Then moved to adventure bikes.
Amazing...I was looking at the K1600 GTL as well. The Goldwing won because I just like the way it looks. I still have my 2016 Wing and my 2013 ZX14R for now.
Either way Wing or GTL, you can't go wrong.
Right on!
Coming down the mountain the paddle shifters come in handy as well. The bike will change for you, but you can override the gear selection at any time.
Good point Tony!
I have been on a 10 hour ride on the Goldwing and I am 6-2 )and it's very comfortable
Right on Steven! Im hoping to get some longer rides in this summer. How often did you stop over that trip?
Glad I found this video. I’ve always been a BMW guy since I started riding due to their simplicity in working on the boxer engines. Currently have a ‘05 1200RT and have been looking at the new 1250RT, 1600GTL and the Goldwing Tour DCT. I’m turned off by the fact BMW got rid of the option of using a Garmin and having to go into the TFP to turn on heated seats and grips. Having owned a GSA and my RT, I do wish Honda had a larger gas tank for my IBA rides. That seems to be my only disappointment with the Honda.
I need to test ride a Goldwing now. I ride the Grand America and just love that bike. I like your perspective on these two bikes.
Thanks for the feedback Zomby! Let us know if you get a chance to ride the GW.
@@MileHighAdventures Will do!
I just found this Channel - This is Great 👍 I have Alot of Videos too watch now!!!
Right on David! Welcome to the channel.
I own a 2022 DCT tour and I know someone who has the BMW, The DCT is of course the biggest like. I'm surprised you didn't no hole in the seat for a driver back rest on the BMW, which is crazy for a touring bike in my opinion. The small trunk is so small you can't fit even 1 helmet in the BMW. The dealer network is more sparse for BMW and costlier to maintain.
Great points on the BMW!
If you can't fit a single helmet in the trunk you have a HUGE head!
I hear everyone talk about reliability on the K1600 and if that's the case get the extended warranty when the 36k warranty is up the most you'll drop is $1000 max $1500 love the Goldwing but the fit and finish on the K1600 is impeccable. I drove one with a Remus exhaust raced a Street glide special on the 405 here in SoCal he had the 131 Stage 4 and it didn't do nothing I walked him up and down from 50 on up. I do love the DCT Goldwing just wish Honda would come out with better colors white, gray, metallic blue etc...
Right on.. thanks for the comment!
Love. Y 2021 GW DCT TOUR, the transmission is 7 spd and identical to Porsches’s hi performance PDK transmission …… so fast it’s crazy (Ducati owner here) … at Daytona bike week so many souped up Harleys were so embarrassed by the DCT, and I’m talking big huge differences. Planning to do Wyoming in July
@@MileHighAdventures Funny you ask…… the DCT transmission is a “smart” one that senses your driving mode and adapts to it…. So, yea if I’m challenged at a stoplight I’ll mode it to Sport because I’ve been feathering it on Tour but; had I been aggressive the DCT is virtually already in sport mode even if it shows tour settings
@@MileHighAdventures and, YES I have picked up my front wheel off the ground
@@gonzalo1042 , a few years ago I wouldn't have believed that. But yes, my 2021 goldwing will pick up the front tire even 2 up.
Yes! The GW is a blast to ride.. the backrest should come from the factory to help keep you in the front seat!
Great input. Thank you! It is looking like the GL is more like what I’m looking for coming from a Victory Vision I put 100,000 miles on.
Hey Robert! Check out my 14K Performance video and vs manual transmission video.. after that ride.. I’m completely sold on the Goldwing.
Both are Super Tourers. K 1600 Engine and Transmission combo is as smooth as silk. Have not been on a Goldwing to make a comparison. That all Black Model looks pretty cool.
Hey Becker! Thanks for the feedback.
Great report. Enjoyed the review. I have a 2022 wing and always wondered how it would compare to BMW. One note, I drive my wing in San Jose traffic, and one day a BMW Past me very fast. BMW’s do have power.
Hey Lesley! Thanks for the feedback. Agreed… those Beemers are quick!
I guess that's why we have such variety in bikes... everyone has different tastes. I did feel like you may have missed the mark on a couple of things you said though. Not quite sure how you got "30 or 20" mpg on your GTL. Either you're just not remembering accurately or something was very wrong with your bike. I've had a 2012 and a 2018, with over 40k miles on the two. Combined city and highway, I generally get 38 mpg, and solely highway it's around 42mpg. The only time I drop to the low 30s is when I'm doing 80mph or higher and have a strong headwind. If you do the math; with 7 gallons that'll normally get you deep into the 250-280 range). The Wing can't approach that. I love not having to fill up every single time I stop for a break. I was also surprised that you said the Honda has better handling & suspension. I'll grant you, the Wing is more stable in a straight line, especially at low speeds, but some of us love the twisties and the GTL is the hands down winner there. It's nimbler, faster and has great brakes. You can tour across the country, but when you get where you're going and there are a set of twisties, the GTL is the fun partner. It's like having two bikes for the price of one. Since you said you live in Colorado, I would have thought you'd mention how good the GTL was in those Rocky Mountain twisties. The new Wing is a very "nice" touring bike with good torque, more weight low down for good low speed stability, good comfort and nice quality. But if you have a penchant for performance, the GTL is the hands-down winner. And by the way, with this new generation Wing, Honda had way less luggage capacity than the GTL. Now, after tons of complaints, Honda enlarged their capacity to match the GTL's. After my first GTL, I thought I might change... until I rode the GTL and GW back to back... and bought another GTL ;)
Hey Tibor! You make solid points around the GTL and I don’t disagree on the performance of the GTL. I primarily ride two up on my Goldwing in the Rocky Mountains and no bike that I have owned feels as good cutting through the corners loaded with a passenger and luggage. I am purely going from memory on my GTL fuel economy and could be off for sure. A typical ride for me would include a climb of 6000 ft and plenty of wind riding across the plains or exceeding 12000 ft above sea level. These factors would certainly impact fuel economy as well. Thanks for the feedback!
Tibor - question to you, have you ever ridden a Goldwing in twisties? I belong to the Lone Star BMW riders in Dallas, Texas and have ridden all over the country with every BMW model they sell with members riding them in the club the past 3 years. We typically ride aggressive in the curves hitting 65 to 80 miles per hour on technical roads. I have the DCT model and not once EVER has a BMW bike in the club ever left me! I easily stay with them or can go just as fast......BMW's are certainly amazing bikes and they can go faster on the top end as they have 160hp vs the Goldwing @ 125hp. Go ride the new Goldwing in the twisties and you will change your mind - there is not a BMW bike in the club that will outperform my bike more superior than my Goldwing!!! I love the BMW's by the way, they are truly phenomenal bikes, but i can tell you have not ridden one in the twisties- the new Goldwing does not take a backseat to BMW in performance. I got the most improved rider award in the club - the people in the club can flat out ride!
@@kevinmcqueen2899 Answer to you... yes I've ridden the GW in the twisties. First let me commend you on your apparently good riding skills amongst your friends. That being said, I stand by what I said. The GTL is MUCH nimbler than the GW. It will drop into turns, especially tight ones, much more quickly and easily than the Wing, which has comparatively heavy steering The GTL has the same torque as the GW, so you can rocket out of slow corners, and of course it has quite a bit more horsepower when you get on it. You mention that you haven't ridden any of those BMWs, but they "haven't left" you. Perhaps you have a bit more skill than your ride mates, or it's the fact that you call public roads that you can ride at 80mph... technical. On a real "technical" road where you are going through hairpins, switchbacks, off-camber turns, etc., the GW will NOT keep up with a GTL, if they are ridden by riders of equal skill.
If you love your GW, that's all that matters. And I will freely admit that it's a fantastic touring bike with great handling. It's the happy medium between an American V-Twin and the big BMW.
Great reviews and some great experience comments.
I have R 1150 RT & HD Ultra & Africa Twin I love it .
Hey Paul! Nice line up!
When it comes to touring long distance the Goldwing is king. It just is and has been for 40 years. But the new Gen bike really kicks it up a notch. That said it still is missing some things like adaptive cruise control that other touring bikes do have.
Hey BatDude! I have been getting 48-50 MPG this season in the MTNS.. and feel great after long rides!
@@MileHighAdventures Wow!! That is amazing mileage.
Extended range with size of fuel tank can be more convenient for rides like the Blue Ridge Parkway. Or anywhere when fuel availability or riding off of one’s planned route to get fuel is inconvenient.
Hey Kevin.. yea.. couple more gallons wouldnt suck.. ride safe!
Thanks taking the time doing this video:)
Hey Eric! You are welcome.
This is one of the best reviews I was wondering about the leg position
Thanks Sam!
Love BMW power 🙂
When I get older I'd buy Harley or goldwing maybe
Hey Arra.. Buy a GW now while you have time to enjoy it! Though finding a newer one could be a challenge.
@@MileHighAdventures
Thanks 😊
I want k1600b tho
The DCT Tour feels like a sport bike to my 950lb. Harley.
Hey Don! Yea… the GW is quick for a big bike.. or a small car! 😎
prefer the BMW like to travel faster and feels a lot safer in proper wet rough roads still sure footed. all bikes are good
Right on.. thanks for the feedback Moto!
BMW Pro shift assist is great almost like the DCT
Hey Firesquad! Yea.. that is a nice feature add.
25-30 mpg on a k16? I had to do some interstate a few weeks ago and got 40, 2 up, doing 90. Just sold my GTL and im trying to decide whether to get another GTL or a goldwing. Very helpful review.
I'm thinking about buying the new Gold wing Dct series as I'm 69 and have a bad left foot which has CRPS and makes it hard for me to change gears all the time. I bought a new 2021 BMW K1600 Grand American which I found it was very top-heavy and almost dangerous sometimes to ride here in Australia. also the speakers were low volume.also couldn't put both feet flat on the ground . over-all very unhappy with the bike Sold the bike after the first 1000 klm....At the moment we haven't any Honda Gold Wing DCT series here .so will have to wait. Last time I heard the price here in Australia was around $50,000 but now with none here they can't give me a Price on the new 2022 Mod.
Hey Glenn! I personally cannot recommend the 2021+ Goldwing Tour DCT enough. It is a fantastic bike and ride like a dream solo for two up.
Great review! My ‘21 Tour DCT gets so much more riding in than my BMW.
I recently did an Iron Butt Ride around Lake Superior, and it was a blast. The bike is just so easy to ride. The electronics could be updated a bit, but I enjoy the Apple CarPlay.
Hey Jeremy! Glad you like the vid! What do you think about the startup sequence to get Apple Car Play to work?
@@MileHighAdventures it’s a hassle. It does work properly. I use Cardo, so I wait for it to tell me that the headset is connected, before I plug the phone in. What I don’t like is my phone cabled to my bike, when I want to take a picture of something. Honda should update the system to a more relevant Bluetooth version, instead of BT 2.1. The navigation system on the bike is clunky too. CarPlay nav is slick and works great. I would prefer it to have wireless CarPlay like a few of the higher end vehicles.
how come old bmw have more power than new honda or harley
German Engineering...
@@MileHighAdventures
thanks
great comparing
Excellent & intelligent comparison man!! 🤙🏻
Does the GW also becomes a sail in strong cross wninds? My K1200LT is pretty bad. Got stuck in NM and AZ in April this year with 50mph gusts.
Hey Manish! The GW seems to get blown around less than other bikes I have been on.. 50 MPH winds are pretty stout though.. 😎
Your foot position on the pegs were different in your demonstration. On the GTL your feet were placed on the balls of your feet were on the Goldwing you moved your feet forward as your feet are on the arch. This exaggerated the knee angle. Not sure this was accidental or intentional.
Hey Craig.. I noticed that too after the initial edit. Not intentional but the foot position is noticeable between the two bikes.. thanks for the feedback.
Looking for my first touring bike, don’t know the best decision over a goldwing or a Harley
For maintenance, comfort, extras, fuel consumption etc
Any tips?
Usually I drive my forza 125cc and has been my first bike
Harley’s never gave me the desired power that the Goldwing provides .. so I have never bought an HD.. but have ridden HD loaners for fun.. and have several HD friends.. most of them are brand loyal and like the HD community and culture
The bigger the fuel tank, the greater your reserve before running out of gas which is important when you are lost and searching for gas. Normally, agreed, your butt needs a break before you run out of gas. You get reminded of the GTL top heaviness every time you come to a stop at a stop sign or traffic light. Forces you to pay attention. Too much lean and the bike goes over. The Wing bottoms out easier than it should . Never had my GTL bottom out. Ride is not the same as handling. BMW beats the wing on handling without a doubt. Wing is longer wheel base so its more stable at highway speed especially with cross winds The helmet on the GTL on its side, face shield facing forward fits. You didn't cover the wing cant fit a helmet in either side bag and up until 2021 it can finally fit 2 in the top case same as the GTL.
Hey Dawgs.. Thanks for some excellent points.. Im still putting down miles on the GW.. and I feel more planted cornering the GW 2 up than what I did on my GTL.. it seems like a pillion has no impact to the handling feel on the GW.. where as I felt I needed to stay aware of the additional weight of the pillion on the GTL... maybe this is due to higher pillion placement... Im not quite sure
Goldwing,, all the way,,👍👍👍 BMW 1600 B ,has transmition and revers problems, its a pain in the ass
Right on Wilson!
Thank You Really So Much For This Amazing Review ...
You are welcome and glad you found it helpful!
The Goldwing looks as though it has no room to stretch out your legs. I could not ride long trips with my legs stuck at a 90 degree angle the entire time. The K1600 at least has options for highway pegs or footboards with the K1600B
Always amuses me when people compare these two bikes. Ones a full on tourer. The others listed as a sport tourer. It’s like comparing a limousine and a grand tourer.
Really amazing and well detailed review 👏
Thanks Eman! I appreciate the feedback.
Can you change the handle bars on the gold wing?
Awesome review!! Thx so much.
Thanks Dr Phil!
Which is better for those who Used them?!
Hey Tamim.. both are excellent bikes but for reasons I stated in the video.. I chose the 2021+ Goldwing Tour DCT.
@@MileHighAdventures great choice, drive safely.
Good review. Helpful. Thanks
Thanks for the feedback Steve!
Really good comparison review
The worst designed most full of glitches motorcycle I ever owned was a BMW K 1200 LT. The experience I had with my very first BMW after four decades of riding mostly Japanese and Italian motorcycles, that was not a good experience. I ain’t never going out on that BMW limb ever again..
I don’t know what’s happening with BMW motorcycles hearing United States, but there used to be three BMW dealers within 90 minutes of my home. They’re all gone. I do not even know where there is a BMW dealer any more. And that’s a problem because, they are so technical now, that you have to marry the dealer.
if you have ever watched one of those television car auctions Mecum car auction and the other one that they run for hours. Notice what older simple Ford, Chevy, Dodge pick up trucks are selling for. Nothing fancy, just Ford F1 50s, Chevy C 10, or Chevy Silverado older pick ups. They’re selling for far more than they sold for new. People wanna have vehicles that they can work on and understand and you don’t have to take it to the dealer for all those electronic systems.
it will not surprise me if the same trend catches on with motorcycles. I am seeing Moto Guzzi Eldorados selling for six times what they cost new back in the 70s..Some people like all the gadgets and gizmos and buzzers and bells and whistles, and some of us don’t
Hey Jody! To your point.. how many bikes will be sitting in warehouses because of supply chain issues around CPUs.. where as old school bikes could get to market with less technology.. there could be a shift if models offered purely based on what materials manufacturers can get their hands on in the short term.. Thanks for the comment!
@@MileHighAdventures
Who knows, who knows if whatever generation kids we have now won’t even be interested in anything other than video games in their cell phones.
in the late 60s when I first started riding, I traded my Honda 305 superhawk for a seized Bridgestone 350 GTR.. The guy didn’t put oil in the oil tank.. that machine had chrome bores, A six speed transmission, it would start in any gear just by pulling the clutch in and kicking it which was revolutionary, it would start without a battery. It had a dry clutch that only road racing machines had at the time. It had a 6 gallon gas tank.. it was a rotary valve twin which made the engine a bit wide for a two stroke twin, but it was in my opinion the best 350two-stroke on the market by far.
bridge stones were making their mark in the United States. People recognize that these things were fantastic. They made a 175 that ran circles around the competition. dealers were popping up..
winter came and Bridgestone poured the coal on at the factory yo flood the hungry market with new machines for the next season…
then one of the saddest pages in history of motorcycling in the United States happened. Second only to the Harley tariff of the 1980s..
The longshoreman went on strike nationwide and would not unload ships. Those ships loaded with the next year’s brand new Bridgestone motorcycles sat along with ships loaded with cars and goods and perishables and steel sat for months .. thousands of ships could not get unloaded because of the longshoreman strike that lasted four months..
Bridgestone completely missed the buying season that year, they went bankrupt.
at that time I had already had about five motorcycles pass through my grubby hands. And over the next for decades, many many many more motorcycles have passed through my hands.. of all of the two strokes, that Bridgestone 350 was the best of them all. They were the leading cutting edge of technology. Yamaha and Kawasaki used chrome bores and dry clutches- but only on their roadracing machines.. Bridgestone was doing it on their street bikes.. you could put the shifter in the rear brake pedal on either side on that bridge stone. The shaft ran completely through the engine for those who ride English bikes and are used to the shifter being on the right..
I really believe that had that strike not bankrupted Bridgestone. It would be Honda first, then Bridgetown, then Yamaha, Kawasaki, and Suzuki today..
as far as asking me where are all the older bikes right now. I worked in the field for almost 40 years at my real job working for an electric company. In the summer, anytime I would be working in any neighborhood, I was always looking for that motorcycle sitting in the corner of someone’s garage that I could see from the street or on their back porch or under a tarp forgotten and neglected. I would leave a note asking to buy it while there’s still something left of it while it’s still worth something anyway. And I bought many many, too many motorcycles that way. I have always been able to resurrect them. Kawasaki triples, Yamaha Twins 650s, Honda 750s, I actually found three Honda CB 400 F motorcycles that way. I rode one of them for three years commuting. The other two are almost perfect, red ones. I had Yamaha RD’s given to me to get them out of the garage, I had a 650 Yamaha given to me..That’s how I found a Yamaha 1982 920 RH with that giant headlight, and that horrible sounding virago starter that sounded like a cement mixer with bricks in it…
all those old bikes are out there sitting somewhere, forgotten, and I’m sure the people would be glad to get the space freed up. I know where there’s a CBX sitting outside, and it has been sitting there for years. It’s too far gone so I never made an offer on it.. I was offered a triumph 650 by a coworker for free.. it was complete, he took the engine out of it and the wheels off so he could store it in his basement. It sat for decades, he offered it to me, I didn’t want it, not even for free .. he gave it to a kid in his neighborhood, and he told me that he saw that kid riding that bike around from time to time years later..
where are all those old bikes?
They are out there
This reminds me that I have a 2009 KLX 250 in my shed that I need to tear the carburetor apart and clean it out.. that thing is severely cold blooded.. and hard to start cold.. especially in the mountains
I’m changing out of a R1250GS because it’s not real good two up with 60lbs of baggage. All that weight up high and aft makes it difficult to manoeuvre at low speeds. How does the Goldwing handle with a passenger and too much luggage?
I was riding with a passenger in the GW Evergreen video and I couldn't feel any difference in handling performance. I do remember a difference on the GTL with a pillion especially during slow speed maneuvering but minimal at typical road speeds.
Go get a new BMW and compare them again .changing tire on the two bike .it faster and cost lesson the BMW .I ride my BMW
8 hrs a day with no problems .I know guys that did the 3 flags and say when the BMW get tired of the riding with the Honda they
leave the Honda behind and don't look back . There is a you tube of a test ride for 24 hrs then 18 hrs you have to look up
it will blow your mind on the ride
Thanks for the feedback Wilder.. I will try to get access to a new 1600 this summer!
@@MileHighAdventures check out this youtube site bmwk1600gtl test motorcycle tv reveiw he rides a 2014 ,its 38 plus min.you will get a new veiw ,hope you enjoy
The new wing looks better and has a better silhouette than the K1600….The BMW doesn’t have a good headlight or hood body lines
Agreed.. I love the wings profile
Gold wing slow and boring, BMW fast and exciting
I’m pretty impressed for the get up on the GW Torque.. but I wont disagree on the sporty nature of the GTL.
Guitar music way too loud and inappropriate 😮
Yea .. sorry man, I suck at mixing the sound.
My buddy has owned 2 BMW GT both wound up with failed transmissions in a short time and the warranty tab for bike #2 was $17,000 as it had numerous other issues.
Oh wow.. bad luck on those GTs
Goldwing DCT all day long!
Great review! Thx
Thanks for the feedback and glad you liked it!
Both bikes are great. But I went with the GW. The K looks ugly to me 😄😄😄
I drive tomorrow to test ride the 2022 blacked out manual version and see if I am going to close the deal on it. I was working on a DCT in black but just as I was picking up my cell to call her she texted me to say it just sold. Those were the only 2 black ones in the whole province. There is only one other tour model in the province and it is at the same dealer I am going to. But it is a blue DCT airbag model in blue. I wouldn't mind having the blue but don't want to pay all that extra cash for an airbag on a bike. Deep down I think it is more gimmick than anything else. If you go down chances are you get thrown off anyways.
@@MileHighAdventures It isn't that I don't like the blue. It is the added $3800 to go from the manual to the DCT Air. The airbag adds a lot to the price and I hate the thought of not having that glove box. 3,800 would be a 3,000 USD.
DCT should be a "given" then start your process.
@@sunrisejak2709 As it turned out the only DCT was the one with the airbag. I decided I cannot live paying thousands more for something I don't want and takes away the glove box to put my phone in. After looking at both bikes today we decided on the Gunmetal metallic with the 6 spd. Took it for a ride and fell in love with it before I had even gotten a mile down the road. Just to see these two bikes I had to drive 500 miles from home. They were the only two that were not spoken for. Otherwise it would mean waiting for a 2023 and with fuel costs, etc they are expecting huge increases in prices. Just got home after driving over 1k miles since yesterday and I have to leave again Sunday to drive down on my Harley to drop it off and pick up the new bike Monday morning.
@@sunrisejak2709 Seeing as I never test rode the DCT I will never know what I am missing. ;)
@@Doug_Morgan HI, it's a great choice either way and I'm 100% certain you'll love it just the same. I'm fortunate to have 4 bikes in my garage. 2 BMWs, a Honda and a Suzuki. The Honda (was) as I stupidly sold it. The model was the XADV gen 1. I thought (erroneously) I should simply put more focus on my Beemers. However within days of selling the XADV I had sellers remorse. I immediately ordered the new model. But alas it's now 6 months and counting with no delivery in sight. Honda facing some serious supply chain woes. As it turns out the absence I was missing was the DCT experience. It's kind of addicting. My BMW F900XR would be hugely improved if it had DCT! But we don't live in Fantasy land!😁 As I write this I'm in Phuket Thailand attending "Phuket Bike Week". Rode my F900XR from Bangkok. Still a fun ride with a conventional gearbox so I get your point. Motorcycle gearboxes are pretty darn good and can be enjoyed in various forms. Agree also with your desire for the convenient storage over the airbag. Anyway happy travels and and enjoy that fabulous machine.
GTL1600ALLTHEWAY
Right on John!
And still I won't give up my 2000 build ST1100 ABSII ;-)
That ST1100 is a sweet bike!
My K gets 43mpg, and I’m on it
Right on.. thanks for the feedback Viper..
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching OSR!
So we are reviewing bikes 8 years apart ???
Hey Matthew..In this case we did because that is what I owned.. I’ll set up a review with a 2023 GTL and talk about how much that bike has changed..I’m assuming the core of the bike is pretty similar
Thus, both top speed is..??? 😁
Hey I recognize that ninja 1000 I have all the stock parts for her!
@@MileHighAdventures I had the same parts on my old 2012 before I sold her at 25k miles did you do the Ivan's tune on it?
I have not shipped it to get the Ivan's tune.. I just added the O2 sensor and set to autotune.. I need to revisit that tuning.. I will be replacing the chain and sprockets this summer.
@@MileHighAdventures when I did the Ivan's tune I just shipped the ecu turn around was 7 days.. but that was like 7 years ago so I don't know the turn around but had zero issues and it definitely woke the bike up
Honda 👑
Agreed!
BMW that costs a fortune ? astronomical repair costs? no thanks. if I had to make a choice. If I had to save money? Kawasaki Concours 1400.
Hey Sal.. thanks for the feedback!
@@MileHighAdventures Cheers; forgot to say I would get the Honda of course! Thanks for the great video!
Right on Sal! I definitely recommend the GW!
Goldwing, hands down.👍🏻👍🏻
Hey Ben! Right on and thanks for the comment!