Metal fans?! WTF?
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You can't kill the metal, the metal will live on 🤘
Punk rock tried to kill the metal, but they failed!
New Wave tried to kill the Metal.
But they failed, as they were stricken down to the ground!
New wave tried to kill the metal ,but they failed, as they were stricken down to the ground
Grunge tried to kill the Metal
Ha-ha-ha-ha
They failed, as they were thrown to the ground.
Grunge tried to kill the Metal
Ha-ha-ha-ha
They failed, as they were thrown to the ground
Let me just say that metal fans are some of the most wholesome fans on the planet.
I see what you did there. 🤘
Metal rocks, man.
broooo.... thats metal.
"Slowly raises hand" I like Nu-Metal..."flame shield on" please don't hate me😖
i accepted that purpose mean, comrade
“Let’s see what they sound like”
**Jay “BLRRBLERRRBBB”**
Well played, Phil. I wasn’t expecting that 😂
i died bro send help xD
I scrolled down to the comments, read your comment and then while reading, Jay started saying that sentence 🤯
"And this is what it sounds like" what he said.
9:42 that fan sounds made me laugh more than it should have. 😂😂
9:42 That got me. Nice one Phil.
Is Phill editing this???? 9:44 You mother….er. You made me laugh so hard at work 😂
Back in the 90's I sourced a couple all metal (blades too) fans out of an old VAX machine that was being replaced by my local college. Unlike most server class fans these days, they were extremely quiet. The only real concern was that they would continue spinning for an impressive time after being shut off; turning their motors into little generators. I powered them on their own rail to be safe.
would that have been caused by the added weight of the blades? or do you think this was just from bad bearings with little resistance?
@@scottydc they were certainly pretty decent ball bearings. I am pretty sure it was just the added weight.
@@scottydc bad ball bearings would have huge resistance - the better they are, the closer to 0 it is lol. but yeah the continuing motion is from the inertia caused by the extra weight, coupled with low friction bearings/blades unable to convert the angular momentum from kinetic energy into heat, relying mostly on transfering the kinetic energy into air movement. those fans must have been super efficient power wise!
Make sure all wires are secure too. The metal blades obviously were fairly heavy.
@@scottydc Less resistiance is better. Less energy that gets wasted through heat
Fkn Phill!!! that fan sound edit had me dying.😂🤣😂
Phil got me when Jay started the fans.
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Would buy
I think a neat video would be to smoke test a bunch of different fan designs to show the differences in blade count/pitch, as well as having that ring vs standard fans.
MajorHardware does exactly that. Go watch him.
@@singlsrvngfrndoh that dude that does his viewers 3D printing designs. Not sure how mental would go. But I'm curious to see the air flow no less. I'm intrigued.
Dude I was just about to plug majorhardware too... never thought I'd be excited to watch a dude test PC fans on CZcams, but here we are lol
I know metal blades would be impractical for multiple reasons, but that's literally what I thought they were... disappointing to only have plastic blades still.
yeah same.... my first thought was don't stick you finger in one. 3000 rpm metal blades would slice and dice nicely.
There were some metal fans that had metal blades that released not too long ago, I'm not too sure who made them but I remember someone reviewing them. That's what I thought these were until he showed the plastic blades.
I'd be worried that the extra weight would negatively impact bearing life.
@@VraerynDaDragonas long as they were balanced correctly, I could only assume "metal" would be easier to have balanced over "plastic"
They'd be quite dangerous and really very difficult and expensive to manufacture in a way that can outperform the stiffness of ABS plastic and especially the stiffer specialty polymer composite materials like noctua uses...
It's priced right out of viability, and the enclosed ring around the blades with 1mm gap makes for pretty solid performance from regular plastic.
Like Dyson will 3D print a turbine blade in metal but it's a tiny precision thing that runs 10k RPM and if you've seen the pricetag on a Dyson vacuum, oh boy.
But at the end of the day that metal housing had better be dampening motor noise to death
No testing of how they perform? I heard a story that apparently these were pushed forward by marketing who thought they would sell well, only for then the engineers find out they actually perform better.
I was looking forward for a proper test since I'm skeptical as to how a metal frame would make better performance.
Same here, the no tests threw me off haha what's going on J
Q: Why would a metal frame improve performance?
A: It doesn't.
I agree ... I usually like J's not too over engineered and easy videos, but this one is a bit too much bla bla and lacking some substance. Take a test system and compare them to something quite common like noctua, arctic etc. roughly in cooling performance and noise.
Go to Igorslab.
These fans are currently beating every competitor in terms of airflow, static pressure vs acoustic noise.
igorslab got some of these to test a while ago, but the results they put out looked way too suspicious and with nothing else to go off of i just wasn't buying how good these things supposedly ran. i'm hoping the team at gamersnexus gets their hands on these to do some proper testing
9:41 in a second I was believing that was the fan's sound
If I remember right it was actually a customer that asked then what would happen if a fan's frame where made of metal and they went " we don't know. Let's find out " and they where chocked at how good the results where. Specially compared to there expectations and brought it to market
These are far from the first metal frame fans so I'm not sure what that even means. The entire frame isn't even metal, it's essentially a plastic fan sandwiched between 2 metal plates. The only real benefit you could get here, aside from esthetics, is reduced frame flex and a flat mounting surface but I'm skeptical about metal on metal vibrations. Even a full metal frame would have negligible heat transfer so this would do next to nothing in that regard.
IIRC the marketing dept wanted to advertise metal is where it came from
From what I've researched, it's the type of metal that matters. It's a zinc die cast versus aluminum cast metal fans or steel housings in the past.
@@HanmaHeiro In what way does that matter for this fan?
So as far as I understand it, the plastic portion of the frame has some rubber in between it and the metal and that helps dampen the vibrations. Metal being denser than plastic makes this metal plastic metal sandwich slightly better at dampening vibrations than it would be if the outside was just plastic… presumably but really the thing is just decoupling the points of contact to the case from the hun and actual fan itself
When I saw “metal fans” I was expecting a very different video.
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I think this comment is better than the actual video 😅
I laughed my ass off for Jay's fan noise!!!!!!
Kind of disappointed I was hoping the blades would be metal as well. Yeah I know it would need a much bigger motor, but I really wanted it. :)
Wouldnt that be noisier? Im guessing its noisy like metal blades of industrial fans
@@fran117 it certainly would be deadly for some fingers :D
@@gacekbdyeah good point
Metal fans make 0 sense though. They would need much sturdier bearings and stronger motors, would probably be noisier and would give pretty much 0 advantages.
How often does an actual blade break? If anything breaks on a fan it is either the motor or the bearing (or a mix of both) and that would happen more often with actual metal blades rather than less.
I did not know the blades ain't made of metal.
I saw the product ad on alphacool website and one of it's selling point was "True Metal Fan" and did not even give any info on the blade material.
One had to go to the preorder purchase site ti view the spec sheet to see that the blade (impeller) is made of plastic.
Somehow i feel this vid title and alphacool website ad feels a bit misleading
There are so many metal fans out there.
Keep up the good work Jay, Phil and Nick. October and Christmas are my favorite times for your videos.
9:42 I nearly choked on my water. Thanks Phil! 😂😂😂
Wait a second, who removed stickers from be quiet! fans a few videos ago? And those need a hub sticker? At this point, manufacturers should just include stickers in the box so Jay can make up his mind at the time of installation
Bro, if they did that it'd add 3 months to his build time. It already takes him long enough, don't give him more choices
the trouble is the bequiet ones are coloured - if the chrome ones had a chrome spiral, and the black ones had a shiny black spiral on a mattee black background, and the gold ones had a gold spiral, at least they'd fit whatever build they went into because they're the base colour of the fans - bequiet however put orange on black, which doesn't always go with whatever build you're putting them in
thank you for attending my ted talk
Thank you! I just paused the video to see if anyone caught that. Their fans are called "Stealth" for a reason and he wishes that the company would've included a sticker or something to the hub.
@@colebermudez9706 Jay changes his mind, like the English weather. He has counteracted himself numerous times.
also that bequiet sticker was off centre slightly if i remember right which was annoying him and me lol
Those Chrome fans would look awsome in a blacked out build if you ask me. They also have White and 2000rpm versions listed og thier website
1) Alphacool needs to be introduced to as many people as possible, especially if they are considering their first custom loop. They make some top WC products compared to a particularly popular WC brand.
2) The matt black fans with satin black tubing would look so so nice
3) I wish all companies would offer their fans in a reverse blade configuration, so both you can see the 'good' side on both top and bottom rads.
The Eisbaer is a good frigging product.
An AIO you can expand up to at least a second radiator and maybe one GPU block is frankly the only AIO I'd consider.
Did I expand it? No. But in my defense I didn't think repasting a GPU could possibly drop it 6 degrees.
Not Liquid metal, just fresh paste.
@@-T--T- Nice. I just think EK is overhyped, not bad, but not the best and a touch overpriced. I do think it's a good thing that its so available everywhere (eg I am in Australia and every PC supplier carries them) to make water cooling available to as many ppl as possible. Just there a better brands out there.
I am looking to go full tilt on a build in Q1, waiting for the 8950x, going to delid plus GPU, RAM coolers (gonna run 4 dimms, as its work 1st, gaming 2nd) and 2 360 rads. I was so happy I found a local distributor for Watercool brand products (they make the Heatkiller series). Next step is to look into Aquacomputer controllers.
I'll never stop reading WC as Water Closet. The top toilet products
@@DantesGrill when you look at the added cost for cpu, gpu blocks, fittings, tubing, pumps etc.. it is kinda like flushing money down the toilet, so in a way reading it that way is appropriate...
I lol'd so hard when you turned on those fans with your noise.. neighbors prolly think I'm nutz
If they cheaped out on those bearings... oh boy. Aircraft in the house after 6 months.
Well, there are industrial fans made of metal that work better than plastic. I would like to see how metal blades PC fans would perform
especially ones that are super close to the frame
My 90s PC fans it's really metal even the blades are metal I kept em and still using em yey Molex to power em 😂. I might send jay 2 pcs of 90s all metal fan. He should test it with his fingers 🤣
I am told from a friend that metal blades add annoying "tieenging" sound. take that with a grain of salt though.
@@MrBlack-zb2eg I can see that being true. Probably on certain speeds and thickness of the blades.
Finger go "ouchy!" 😥🩹
been waiting for somebody to get thier hands on these!!
Got me when he made that fan sound effect when he turned it on, good job man keep up the good work
for a moment I thought Slayer fans were getting called out
Would love a short demonstration on the sound volume. I mean, compared to a be quite or a noctua fan =)
Maybe also when they're installed in a system.
I've been interested in those metal fans ever since they showed them off at CES.
@@mathiascarlsson5746 I can do that, thanks =)
@@mathiascarlsson5746 I just checked out der8auer's real world test of them and you're right, I don't believe Igor's LAB's results
@@Redswipe Yes I just saw that, something is very wrong here when you get two so wildly different results. Looking out for coming reviews so we can get the truth of it.
@zackzeed @Redswipe Ok I've seen more tests of this fan now and the conclusion must be, unless you want the fan for the looks, avoid it. There are many fans out there with better performance at lower sound at lower price. Igor's test fooled me and I was hoping for something great here.
@@mathiascarlsson7674Same here. Roman did a couple tests and they where quite dissapointing. Really unfortunate. I was hoping they would deliver the same performance as other fans while staying much quiter with the metal construction. So much for that I guess.
The chrome one looks amazing , will deffo be going in to my next build
I love the chrome! Gives me ideas!
If they had an anodised aluminium one it would really match the Fractal Torrent… although you might not really see it
Curious what kind of noise transfer there is when mounted in a case, since there is no rubber insulator. Not a fair comparison but the case I bought used didn't come with a 3 1/2 drive mount, and since I have a 12gig mechanical for my raw and edited files, its mounted to the case and let me tell you the noise transfer is BAD.
It's been a while since I saw the first videos on them, but I think the plastic fan frame is sandwiched between the two metal halves with two big o-rings. Could be wrong though, I can't recall if it was Alphacool or another manufacturer that did that with some "metal" fans.
8:32 that's good to keep blades from snapping even 'though that happens more to +200mm ones according to your friend Steve Burke
9:42 loved it. Never change, Phil. :)
Finally a fan for us metal fans \m/
Jay would be the guy to say, “Don’t stick your finger in there! Or do, i’m not your dad”
I put my fingers where I want.
For over a decade I've been wondering why metal fans weren't a thing! About time! Not a fan of chrome on anything, but you could easily take some fine grit sandpaper and give it a brushed look- I've done that a few times on chrome before and if done right it looks great!
I got a sleeper build in an old Dell T7500 server case. The lower front intake fan is a ridiculous 2 amp steel fan. I love it.
I'm more of an EDM fans, but metal is all right
The chrome fans would look pretty cool with any RGB reflecting off of them.
Yeah especially if you have poor taste
RGB is artificial price inflation. No, RGB needs to die.
I pre-ordered these in white as soon as they were available. I hope they ship before the end of the year. I also advocate for these to be in the Skunkworks build.
Uh Jay, you got FDB and sleeve bearing mixed. Sleeve bearing wears out faster when mounted horizontally.
Isn't the metal frame meant to reduce the noise of the fan?
i believe that is the exact reason why they did not make the blades out of metal.
No. How?
Ignoring obvious design flaws or faulty assemblies, the frame MATERIAL contributes nothing to noise.
@@a5centthat's just not true dude
@@analogicparadoxSorry, you are objectively wrong, whether you believe it or not. Would be nice if you provided more than a baseless assertion either way though.
If the frame is a single piece of material (nothing that vibration would cause it to "clickity-clack" with itself), you can build it out of anything, even cardboard rather than metal, and get better results. The reason cardboard would be better is because while it too contributes nothing to noise, it has better noise dampening properties than metal.
@@a5centHe didn't claim it contributed, just that it reduced it. Yes, a non moving part shouldn't contribute, but frequency attenuation varies with material, among other things.
It's possible like in musical instruments the material used absorbs different frequencies and using metal might "tune" the frame to dissipate the frequencies most strongly emitted by the fan causing an overall noise reduction. With increased mass, maybe the amplitude of frame vibrating in response to motor/fan is also reduced.
I don't know if that's the case but supposedly these things were very quiet even at higher rpm. Was hoping for some decibel tests.
Guess we'll have to wait for GN for that testing, this channel seems more into unboxing and shenanigans. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Hell yeah metal 🤟🤟
Thanks for the great video. That was done incredibly quickly. 🙂Greetings, Eddy
EXCELLENT!! Finger slicer 3000 is finally coming to the main streem market! These would also be great for a 90's beige sleeper build
You forgot to mention they also come in white, and in a choice of 2000 rpm and 3000 rpm. The gold actually looks beautiful.
Golden PC build could be rad. I would not make it all gold, but rather some two tone. Black or white probably as other colours are very hard to come by.
I think it would be pretty cool to mod a PC case with some chrome vinyl wrap and use those chrome fans. Maybe even water cool it and use some chrome fittings with matte black tubes.
Very classy, build it!
Love the matt black too!
I think the matte ones look great, the fan engineering for pitch and number of blades looks like it will move lots of air were you want it moved, not just in a general direction.. The only issue I see is my powers already are quite dang heavy with all the goodies I have now, it does add up quickly.
I love the story of these fans. Marketing told engineering to make metal fans, because they would sell well. When Engineers made them, they found out, that they perform really well.
What would the frame being metal have to do with performance?
@@Tb0n3 heavier = more inertia = lower-frequency vibrations is my guess
@@niky00045 only if it were the fan blades. The blades are plastic.
@Tb0n3 Big advantage is noise. If you look for *Computex 2023 coverage, you will find people talking about it. In one video, someone from Alphacool is talking about it, can't find that one.
Yes Jay, metal. It all began about year 4000 BC with copper. Then around 2500 BC came the bronze age. After that followed the iron age. Metal is used in a wide range of products from bridges to toasters. I'm surprised you're just now discovering this wonderful building material.
As a physicist, anything that isn't Hydrogen or Helium is metal. 🤘😝🤘
Another fun fact about metal that you didn't mention, but it would appear you're pretty familiar with from first hand experience, is that some types of metal like lead in particular, can cause brain damage if ingested. Clearly the video is talking about how extraordinarily unusual it is to have PC fans with a metal frame, not about a budding alchemist that is discovering metal for the first time, you dolt
@@flexmasterize True. Lead can cause brain damage, but only if you lick it. So if you're the type of person who is partial to licking his fans then, yeah, better stick to plastic.
@@flexmasterize
No need to be so mercurial..
Love the Phil edit putting Jays fan noise in lol
You had me at METAL!!! 🤘🎶
Still watching the video, so I haven't seen any crazy experiments with the fans yet... but you know that's coming.
Metal fans?
Bye bye fingers, haha!
Our finger protected by the devil! Metalfansforwaaaaa :D
spot the one who comments before watching the video
I died at 9:42. Damn you Phil. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
In the german tech scene der8auer and igors lab had significantly different results. In Igors review it blew away the noctua in Romans test it was more on the same level. There's also a 6 month old LTT youtube short where Alex says that the fan at 3000 RPM sounds like other fans on 900 RPM which sounds more like Igors results. I'm very interested in where that's all going an how it actually performs.
Jay, you really ought to have done a dBA comparison between them and another fan moving the same volume of air. The mass of the frame seems like it could really cut down on vibration noise.
Love the look of the chrome ones, would love to see the gold ones.
One advantage I see with the metal, is that it'd absorb any vibration that plastic wouldn't be able to do.
Very useful review.
Yo, having Jays fan sound impression at the start of the audio test was :chefs kiss:
The price in the UK are £26.95 each, 3 pack price is coming. Just been on to their website, they also do White metal ones as well. They are for me, and as I like white cases, the chrome will look great. I will be purchasing them for my rig.
i have just pre-ordered a matt black set from overclockers UK
9:41 I was not ready
Props to whoever came up with the fan noise gag, I needed a good laugh.
Phil... he actually got me with the fake fan noise. Literally got upset for .02 seconds. 😂😂
Hey Jay, I know you recently got a smoke machine to show airflow, but if you want a way to show how much air a fan moves they sell cans of compressed smoke.
9:41 Okay, Jay........you totally got me on that edit. Well done [if not you, then to whoever did it]. LOL
chrome ones would looks sick in a fractal north with a sort of modern law office style aesthetic, black chrome and wood is just a vibe.
Y'all had me @ 09:42 for a split-second! LOL
They would be nice on a radiator, add some mass to soak up additional heat could help keep the fluid cooler or slow the rate of saturation.
I am going for full white build and i think the chrome with a white fan would be an awesome one.
In my personal system i have 3 BeQuiet Silent Wings PRO 4 and 3 Noctua NF-A12x25 on the Phanteks Halo LUX, which i think, quality and weight speaking, are pretty much similar
9:41 Died at this lol
I had some 120mm fans that were all aluminum about 20 years ago, they weighed about 500 grams each... They looked pretty similar to the Evercool fans i can find around the net but even the blades and hub were aluminum. Not that they were any good as they were noisy as hell and the bearings wore out very fast.
Thinking of the Mega Man build you did for your buddy, mentioning a gold build has me imagining a gold case akin to the initial NES Zelda cartridges. Fashioning something like that would be pretty neat, but understandably might take a lot of work.
I think the chrome in an all black build would look pretty cool with some white lights inside it or even like rgb lights, motherboard and gpu kinda thing. The reflections from the chrome could look very cool
I miss the solid aluminum fans from way back when. I still have 2 80mm red ones around here somewhere...
hmmm, the Apex fans with the bequite! 901? just RGB on a Pump-res combo and CPU cooler might look cool
I have a single fan leftover from a build back in the 90's somewhere, not a notably good fan but it looked cool, has chromed plastic blade and billet aluminum for the rest of it.
Other than the weight, I actually really like them. A black and chrome build is nice with the open loop connectors that are out there. Maybe a bright red or green coolant with a bit of glow, not too much. The stealth concept is always awesome too!
My only other Hangul is RGB architecture relying on a bunch of hardware controllers. The Lian Li/Corsair fans that connect to each other have really spoiled me in terms of the mental exhaustion that is good cable management. While I haven’t built a PC with those yet, I expect that the physical fan-to-fan connection makes life pretty simple.
Wait... the blades are still plastic? I CALL SHENANIGANS.
They look beautiful, but for my new built I already bought be Quiet argb fans, but I still have an Alphacool AIO, maybe I order these for another built?
9:42 😂 that's why I love your videos
I've been binge watching your channel recently and just bought all of the components for my first build! Thank for all the helpful content.
P.S. You regularly reference cars, and I've seen that tire stack in the background, I think we need a car tour 😏 what does Jay whip??
Doesnt he have another channel for that?
Matte black metal housing also means PAINT! You can paint the fan housing to match your case or color scheme, though you'd absolutely need to make sure NO paint made it onto the fan blades or hub.
WAY back in the day, back in 04 (OMG I'm old) I bought an Evercool 120mm Aluminum housed fan that had fins cut all around the outside like a heatsink. That thing was freaking AWESOME! The blade pitch sucked cause older tech, and it only had 5 blades, but MAN did it put out some air, and was super quiet being a ball bearing fan!
That cheeky edit of the fan sound was hilarious lol.
I was looking at these but for the 140mm versions. But couldn't wait I opted for be quiet silent wings 4 pros
A full Chrome Build (or as much as possible) would be pretty cool
Damn, that's so metal!
you mentioned the gold fans. they would look really good with the gold EK water block and fittings
yo Jay was wondering if u would be able to make a video on a 2nd dedicated streaming PC build
when all the streamers show there setups they all have a pc for gaming and a pc for streaming. All the best man
When the fans sounded exactly like Jay predicted lol. You had me for a moment there.
I hade a metal blade Pedestal fan version of a plastic blade fan I have. Unsurprisingly it moves alot of air, but it is a bit loud.
excited for these
I popped for the loud air noise at the start of the noise test lol. I wish they had 140mm versions too.
Looking forward to a comparison video using these fans against top competitors.