Sutekh latches onto the TARDIS
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- čas přidán 20. 06. 2024
- was inspired to make a quick edit after watching The Empire of Death showing how Sutekh latched onto the TARDIS after being cast into the vortex
TARDIS greenscreen:
• Classic Tardis Standar...
Time Vortex Footage:
• Time Vortex [5 minute ...
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"The Doctor is a legend woven throughout history. When disaster comes, he's there. He brings a storm in his wake and he has one constant companion: death."
Okay, that's brilliant!
Wow that hits harder now.
Quite literally now. Not sure if it was the right decision though.
russel can't have planned it since then... he can't have... right? right? now I'll be questioning this for the next few decades
@@justanormalhumanbeing1903 plan what?
House possessing the TARDIS: Hey
Sutekh hanging on the side: Hey
House: WHAT?
It took me a second to remember which episode this was because I was just imagining Gregory house from house MD possessing the tardis
@@rayman2902 This 100% happened
I’ve thought about this but it’s mostly fine - Sutekh never took over the TARDIS as bad as House did! He still used an acolyte to fumble the controls.
Man, i was thinking about house taking over the TARDIS, and other situations, like zagreus, or even the time war, or the TARDIS exploding, and questioning myself, how the TARDIS would never had show any sing of sutekh throughout all of this?? I did like the episode and concept btw, and for me this clip makes PERFECT sense in canon, im just trying make sense of this questions, any theory guys?
@@gabs736Sutekh is actually the god of hide and seek which is why he is so good at hiding but he was angry about it and started calling himself the God of death and started killing to make the title legitimate
Jack: *clings to the TARDIS*
Suktekh: "Oh hell nah I don't like this. Throw him to the end of the universe!"
“This TARDIS ain’t big enough for two immortals, Harkness!!”
“…Also, you should have, like, a BAJILLION STDs right now.”
Years later
Sutekh: Great now that girl the TARDIS doesn't like is hanging on. Doesn't he teach them manners anymore.
I'm imagining Sutekth just commenting on all the adventures and companions that Doctor has.
"Why is he wasting so much time on these weak ass Daleks? I would've annihilated their entire race without even trying."
"Oh how cute, the Doctor fell in love with the blonde girl. I will dust that parallel universe just for that alone."
"Why is this redhead screaming so much? Just throw her overboard already"
"Great, and now some weird planet is trying to take control of MY TARDIS. Should I beat its ass? Nah, its too early go give myself away"
"Hey, Toymaker, do you wanna play a game? No? Thats what I thought"
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Rise of the Cybermen: (was totally responsible for the TARDIS suddenly falling out of the time vortex)
Flatline: "WHY is everything tiny?!"
Smith and Jones: "We're seriously going back 12 hours just to show this girl your tie? Did you learn NOTHING from the blonde one?"
what about when the daleks droped the tardis in the core of Z-netreno energy and nearly destroyed it. did sutekh have sunscreen. ALSO what about when the tardis was doubled
So 12 was right after all.
There was someone he spoke to when he thought he was alone!
Honestly, I'm just expecting the memes at this point.
that is fantastic, and also makes sense too, why sutekh latched onto the tardis in the first place, he was there all along
It was Sutekh all along
it literally makes no snse girl but go off
@@JunjiItoDougWalkerik u ain't talking like that with that pfp ricky berwick lookin a$$ 💀
@@Sidyousnice dude👍🏻
The One who Waits
I don't care what anyone says, this is how it happened.
The fact that Sutekh's randomly appears in the tardis at the beginning of pyramids of mars has always bothered me. I know that the doctor says it was Osirian technology which knocked the tardis off course, but why would his face appear as a consequence of that?
This explains it, it was Sutekh exerting his presence on the Tardis for the very first time after his initial defeat by the doctor.
BEFORE he was defeated? bro this makes noooo sense brother
@@JunjiItoDougWalkerwhy not? It's the time vortex. It's not just forwards travel only.
@@JunjiItoDougWalkerit does make sense, you’re thinking too linearly, Doctor Who has made a point to say that time is not simply a straight line so seeing the result of something one does later is more than possible
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You don't care what anyone says, in other words you just make up whatever you like. This isn't how it happened. This was not the original design. He's face appeared to set the tone for the serial, no more, no less.
So when Peter Capalfi's doctor medidate on the top of the Tardis he was basically chilling with Sutekh
apparently so.
Sutekh is in Scream of the Shalka. Sutekh is on the outside when House is on the inside. When The Tardis is burning in the Big Bang so is Sutekh.
It was Sutekh who picked up the Doctor’s chalk in the episode _Listen._ That’s that mystery solved.
@@Concreteowl He kept reality going as long as possible, but this isn't the end of the story. The black and white guardian are more powerful gods in the Doctor Who universe. And it doesn't explain why Maestro was having a paddy about the oldest one being there I think that is the white guardian
Yup, a warm deathly hug after a long day and a cup of tea...
Man, the revelation that Sutekh was hiding in the TARDIS since Pyramids Of Mars makes sense and damn that scared the soul out of me
I don't like it tbh. It means he survived clinging to the shell all throughout the Time War and the explosion of the Pandorica. Would've made way more sense that he only jumped on at the start of Wild Blue Yonder, where he had been trapped at "the end of the universe" since Pyramids. Especially since that's the first time we heard the groan.
@@alastormedial well, he is a god, so I think that he can survive all this
@@alastormedial and about the groan question that can be easily explained by two possibilities:
1-He doesn't wanted to reveal himself to the Doctor
2- He doesn't have power to that yet
Or the two at the same time as well
@@alastormedialHe can survive because nothing could kill him but his own lifespan running out. The Doctor even says in PoM that not even the Time Lords could stand against him. He also says in Empire of Death that he reached true godhood by being present in the vortex taking in its energy while safely clinging to the Tardis. He never truly fell into what would be enough to erase him forever.
@@Pedrinhorachaplays799 then why did he start groaning in Wild Blue Yonder, before the Doctor ever even encountered Ruby? There's no good reason for that to be the first time we hear him now IMO.
This is why the Tardis made weird noises in The Impossible Planet. Sutekh was meeting himself.
Surprised he wasn't having a fit in day of the doctor 😂
@@Maxippo Technically he was - desktop kept glitching. "WHAT? There's 3!? Oh, the calamity!"
@@Zenvian true 😂
I think they're teasing the Beast. I wouldn't be surprised if he made an appearance.
So 60+Years of Doctor Who was Doctor Secretly spamming death to all across the universe....?
Technically, yes as Sutekh himself explained that wherever they landed he created a harbinger which would later spread the dust of death as we saw in Empire of Death.
In the 11th Doctors episode "The Doctors Wife", when the TARDIS took human form and they could talk to each other, why did she not tell him that Something was latched onto her and maybe he should look into it?
@@93Chowo Oh Thanks!
@@michaeljones8168 I was thinking about The same thing!
@@michaeljones8168plot-holes. But I don’t consider Fruity Gatwa to be canon anyway.
Sutekh catching the bus through time 😂
My head cannon is that when 14 went to the edge of the universe and invoked a state of play with the salt, that gave Sutekh the ability to fully manifest again as he is the leader of the gods, (that’s when the Toymaker entered the universe through his domain if you remember) Sutekh is so insanely powerful that only he can decide patiently when the time would be to show himself. To analysis the doctors moves in the shadows is brilliant.
He's not a god. He's an alien.
Ngl the idea is kind of funny when you thing about it
The Doctor: Im releasing him into the time vortex to die.... *hops in the tardis straight into said time vortex*
Sutekh: Ahh a time uber
Sutekh clutching the TARDIS is one of the most brilliantly ominous and surreal visuals in Dr Who
Imo Sutekh shouldn’t have been on the tardis since pyramids of mars. He should’ve been on the tardis when it absorbed the flux. He could’ve been cast outside the universe when 4 defeated him. When division engineered the flux as a force of death in their base outside the universe he would’ve been able to ride it back in like the toy maker could because of the salt being cast where the walls were thin. The doctor threw his tardis in front as soon as it was released remember. That would have made it much more personal for 15 as it was HIS specific adventures that gave sutekh power and why twist only just started appearing. When 15 split the tardis in the giggle that really let him into her and allowed him to start his plan. His defeat could also have fixed the death caused by the flux too as he was linked.
That would've made more sense imo. This retcon however... it added so many problems to Sutekh's plan that it has become really painful to find a counterargument for it all. Too many contradictions...
Genius! This is now my head-canon. I’m sorry I laughed at your toy figure 🥰 because the final scene makes perfect sense when viewed out of order. Timey Wimey!
the toy figure was the only back facing image of Sutekh I could find XD
@@LarvaeGunI love it TBH. I found the “ugly” figure from the 1970s way more creepy and scary than the (understandably more credible) CGI high tech monster we have today. But I said the same thing about Invasion of the Dinosaurs - they were cheap, but those beady little eyes were seriously scary.
@@whophd I’d say the new CGI Sutekh is definitely more intimidating with its sharp teeth and enormous size, but I felt much more of a real life presence with the original Sutekh due to it being a physical costume (not that there’s anything wrong with CGI obviously)
@@LarvaeGun You've explained it perfectly. But what's amazing about your video is that it's also RTD's head-canon. But you knew that I hope? 🙂
Absolutely f****** bloody brilliant! I did not make the connection with this moment in the TARDIS from oh so long ago, last night when I saw the finale. It took a fan with good sense to connect the dots where the narrative as presented on screen failed. Honestly last night's finale seriously felt like a rough draft.
It really doesn’t make all too much sense, and just creates more issues than it does answers
And the doctor didnt notice it😂
The tardis wouldve detected it for sure, it wouldve detected a foreign object on the outer shell and flaged it
At this point theyre just making plot holes for the sake of it😂
I like it
Still better than the timeless child
@@ZeroProko Seriously? You're telling me that a villain who basically had all the intel on the Doctor (even more than the Great Intelligence) pulled a Davros plan from decades ago, did nothing different, and still chose to do nothing about the Doctor after eons of waiting and was diminished to pup status just in minutes is somehow better than a past we still know nothing about and was recently hinted that it might have been twisted by ulterior motives? I respect your opinion, but I respectfully disagree with it.
That actually fits the way you played things out in the video. Very clever!
He couldn't latch on, he wasn't in the vortex, he was in a time corridor of his own, which he was only roughly half way down. The Doctor removed a part of the console, connected it to the sarcophagus and hurled him into his far future, beyond his lifespan. It makes no sense at all.
And in that time corridor, he found the Tardis and latched on.
@@Angery_Octoling I think the idea was that Sutek's TIme Corridor is not concurrent with the larger TIme Vortex that Time Lords travel through. Think of it as a sub-time line, much like a county road not connected to the main Interstate Highway.
@@Angery_Octoling the TARDIS wasn't in the time corridor! It never was
@@Angery_Octoling the time corridor just linked Mars to Earth, like the one in Resurrection of the Daleks, it only links two specific points in time.
In the words of Shaggy from the Scooby-Doo movie, “Dude,” Sutekh-Scrappy, “What?!” Doctor-Shaggy, “Your one bad puppy.” Then closes the doors to the TARDIS in turn cutting the leash and send Scrappy-Sutekh onto the Vortex never to be seen or heard from again.
You can spell Kush out of sutekh all right shaggy.
Yup, Sutekh finally became a full pup. Did find the irony a little funny, but still... that's one big dog...
Thats so cool!
1:was he there still when the console room was gone during 9ths run?
2: did he die along with the trenzalore Tardis?
3: was he still there even when house drained the tardis power and took over?
4:did he slowly die in turn left?
5: did he have a hand in causing the tardis any issues during 12ths run?
6: did he bring the tardis to 10th after the meeting with satan?
7: did he react at all when the tardis became a paradox machine
8; did he force a take off?
9: would he do anything to gallifrey and there tardises?
10: did he had a hand in locking the tardis during 73 yards?
11: did sutekh duplicate when the 14th tardis duplicate in the end of giggle ?
@@valou6649 from what ive understood and read, this is the same TARDIS as the og but 15 used the hammer to bring forth a future version of the TARDIS, hence the jukebox and wheelchair ramp.
Great job!
The Sutekh TARDIS noise genuinely gives me chills to my stomach.
Very Timey Wimey
Oooh! Very cool!
Absolutely farcical.
Oh very good!
The Doctor: [Trapped in his own Confession Dial for literally billions of years, doing the same things over and over again while talking to himself]
Sutekh: This was a mistake.
Love this! This is my canon now.
I can imagine Sutekh's reactions to the Doctor's adventures from between 1975 - 2024
E.g.
Logopolis
The Greatest Show in the Galaxy
1996 TV Movie
Rose
Rise of the Cybermen
Utopia / The Sound of Drums / Last of the Time Lords
Turn Left
The Stolen Earth / Journey's End
The Pandorica Opens / The Big Bang
The Day of the Doctor
The Time of the Doctor
Flux
also when yazz and the doctor where chillin sitting ontop of the tardis sutekh was there thinking just kiss already
Since Doctor Who is a time travel show, retcons can be cannon in universe. My head-cannon Sutehk wasn’t actually there until sometime after the flux and the events of “Wild Blue Yonder.” I think it took those 2 universe shaking events to retcon Sutehk into having this power.
So he’s just been clinging for dear death on the side of the Tardis forever. I can just imagine him just rapping his fingers against the tardis and sighing, waiting for a chance to make a huge reveal 😂
I wonder what he thought when it started changing shape.
Or when it was a giant tomb.
The scene was before anything even happened. As they were landing to meet Sutekh.
He wasn't in the general time vortex, but a specific time corridor.
Ohhhh okay now this makes sense!
Exactly what I was thinking: Wibbly wobbly timey wimey.
So the last scene he dies because he’s in the time vortex. Only he survived because he latched onto the Tardis…in the time vortex.
It doesn’t make sense but then, the main character travels in a wooden box that’s a Time Machine so any old shite as any explanation is ok. Just like the mum explanation.
And I’ve never seen a bathroom.
Clara and Jack were shown to survive the Time Vortex because they were holding on to The TARDIS at the time.
He's affected because in the second instance the TARDIS isn't extending it's protection to him. Whereas the first time he latched on and is protected by the proximity to it.
@@tomdevlin5412 They just open the door like they did in the episode and squat out into space.
The episode could have been improved if The Doctor did that while Suketh was still attached to the Tardis with the rope
I love that this fanbase will just take a new piece of canon and run with it.
Man, i was thinking about house taking over the TARDIS, and other situations, like zagreus, or even the time war, or the TARDIS exploding, and questioning myself, how the TARDIS would never had show any sing of sutekh throughout all of this?? I did like the episode and concept btw, and for me this clip makes PERFECT sense in canon, im just trying make sense of this questions, any theory guys?
This was a rather interesting idea for Sutekh in Doctor Who, and it makes a ton of sense now that it's playing out like this, but wasn't there a comic had had him as the main villain while this implies that his being hanging onto the TARDIS during everything that's happened over the years from the fourth doctor to the fifteenth doctor.
However, there are other villains that could have done the same thing, such as Dark Oak going from Sonic X to Sonic BOOM or Spooky latching himself to the tree of life in Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures.
13 and Yas just chilling having an ice cream on the tardis and sutekh's just like:
regenerage already get this era over with
I wonder what Suteke did when The Master Cannibalised The Tardis.
It would make more sense if Sutekh at the end of time when Capaldi's Doctor encountered Mi that Sutekh, who had been cast to the end of time, was there waiting for the Doctor to show. Then using the Doctor's travels to sow the seeds of his return and regain power.
Nickel for every time something rode the tardis ala dr Strangelove I’d have 2 two
So when Maestro said, 'The oldest one. He can't have been there...WHAT FOR???' And then not bothered at all by, 'the one who waits is almost hereeeeeeeeeeeeeee.' It seem quite likely that Maestro wasn't talking about Sutekh being the oldest one, she called him 'the one who waits'. Likely the white guardian was behind something and the black guardian. As for Sutekh saying, 'and standing on the high is the mother, father and other of them all. ' Again, that isn't talking about him.
That's as valid a theory as anything else tbh. Gods have strange family trees. And Maestro spoke about him so cryptically, as if he was so distant and he was right there in fact. Maestro even did Sutekh's plan before Sutekh himself now that I think about it...
Didn't they say once that Death was the Doctors constant companion?
that actually makes sense...
So I guess what Clive told Rose Tyler in the first episode of series 1 of Doctor Who 2005 was true. Death was the Doctor’s constant companion even though the Doctor didn’t know he had one bad doggy clinging to the TARDIS all this time.
This means it was Sutekh who picked up the Doctor’s chalk in the episode _Listen._ It was was Sutekh who made the Tardis explode in _The Pandorica Opens_ as a first attempt to destroy all life in the universe. Sutekh who made the Tardis sick in Series 13 (The Flux). Mysteries solved. 😊
Also how did House not know that Sutekh was there when he possessed the Tardis? Why did Idris (the Tardis) not tell the Doctor that Sutekh was clinging onto her the whole time? Are there two Sutekhs now since Fifteen doubled (bigenerated) the Tardis? Have I missed anything?
Wowa that makes a lot of sense actually!
I think it's because he was cloked so nobody could see him, not the doctor, house or even the Doctor himself. Mybe Idris knew but knew it had too be sorted out at that particular time
He was hooked up to the perception filter so nobody would notice him if they weren't looking.
@@cornparade6874 Right, but he'd been spending _centuries_ holding onto it and speaking to the TARDIS, so it's impossible for her _not_ to have known.
@@Jackson-ub1uv The Tardis has been known to take the Doctor to times that he needs to be rather than where he wants to be. Such as the time where 10th's and 5th doctor's Tardis merged so 5 would be able to see 10 do it. So 10 can do it in the future so 5 can see it. Perhaps this was one of those occasions. The Tardis probably knew everything would be fine in the first place.
yup but ouch ouch ouch ouch somone get me out of the centre of this dalek crucible please.... journeys end....
Ok this episode was far from perfect but this reveal was amazing, it left me in shock for minutes, every adventure i ever sore the Doctor go on he was there the whole time and I never knew, damn
It's not amazing when you consider the fact that the TARDIS _never once_ said, mentioned, or even _indicated_ that something was wrong. The House would've also sensed Sutekh when possessing the TARDIS, so the fact that he didn't immediately leave upon doing so is evidence enough.
@@Jackson-ub1uv mybe that's becuase the idea was only created in this season? do you expect all the past showrunners to have predicted the future, i mean i know it's a show about time travel but give them some slack like lol.
but my personal headcanon is sutekh used his power to create some sort of super perception filter so not even the tardis knew he was there or she did know but obvoiusly being a time machine knows when everything has to happen and so didn't warn the doctor or sutekh wouldn't have been defeated.
@@gerrardjones28 It's the writer's job to work with what they have and make things fit. Like I said, the cracks in time work because it was an effect that went _backwards,_ but no attempt was made for this.
The fact people have to resort to headcanons means it wasn't adequately explained.
@@Jackson-ub1uv But what are they meant to do with that??? They can't predict the future can they and when they retcon people just get mad
Is what we gotta do with most of Doctor who honestly, just how the show is 😅
@@gerrardjones28 I said, it's the writer's job to work with what they have. This _obviously_ means that, as a writer, RTD should be thinking of ways to make his ideas fit into the established continuity and come up with ways to explain things when he can't.
Retcons can be accepted when their existence is suitably explained and don't conflict with or destroy core aspects of the setting. A good retcon is something like the cracks in time, where they ripple backwards through the Doctor's timeline and often only appeared _after_ he left the scene; it works because it's a retroactive change both in- and out of universe, and is actually acknowledged as such by the Doctor.
This makes no sense. Black Guardian, Toymaker and few other powerful beings would have detected him. Even in that Matt Smith episode when Tardis becames a human, she would have told the Doctor that something is wrong. Tardis was also destroyed once....and what about cloned Tennant's Tardis? Another Sutekh is still attached there? A copy of him? What about all Doctor's "cloned" in The Giggle? So now we have several Sutekh's? This episode makes no sense at all.
Language also doesn't make sense with Maestro who calls Sutekh 'the one who waits' and worships him. Yet, goes potty with 'he can't have been there, what fooooorrrrrrr?' When referring to the oldest one. Maestro didn't like the fact that the oldest one was there which means it wasn't Sutekh that was being referred to. I guess that the white and black guardians are coming.
@@synchronicity-thelanguageo3991 I think the whole gods thing in general is that they are powerful in different ways and not all gods could detect Sutekh apart from the Toymaker (for whatever reason) although his daughter definitely could tell the snow was his powers and the song also hers.
@@Zenvian I correctly thought Sutekh would be one of the gods but I strongly suspect the black guardian and the white guardian are also involved. I don't think the snow is the powers of Sutekh, it would be much more related to the White Guardian. They too like to play games and win 'prizes'. I think we'll find out in the future as the kid in the story (who Maestro was playing the piano with) was never revealed in the ending. In the mythology of this the god of light is the oldest. The white guardian is the god of light. They are not actual gods but to lesser evolved species, like the entire universe, they have freakish evolved abilities because of their evolutional advantage. Being billions maybe trillions of years ahead of everyone.
nothing good comes from being a snitch they knew he was there they just didnt want to snitch on him to the doctor. why you making such a big deal out of it its doctor who all timey whimy wibbly wobbly its not meant to make sense your not meant to know who the doctor is hence why the shows called doctor who the timeless child brought that mystery back like who is he nobody knows not even his own people. the moment you stop trying to make sense out of it will be the moment you start to enjoy the show alot more. trust me just sit back watch it and enjoy it.
it's seamless
I think if Sutekh clinged onto the Tardis, then got inside when the Tardis landed again and stayed inside since, would make more sense. I feel as though if Sutekh was staying on top of the Tardis exterior for all that time, that really wouldn’t make much sense and kind of creates plot holes. Maybe it will be officially explained in the future.
i wonder when the fifteenth doctor doubled the tardis in the the giggle i wonder if sutekh got doubled as he hung on to it for so many years which would be the original tardis that the 13th doctor still has as the fifteenth doctor tardis made a double of it so i wonder that how sutekh could make a return at some point.
I do wonder now what Sutekh thought of the Rift that almost ripped The TARDIS apart; how crispy he got getting thrown into the Dalek Crucible's Core. Getting obliterated in The Pandorica Opens. The explosive rengerations of 10 and 12. So much has happened to the TARDIS since Pyramids Of Mars.
The Dalek Crucible's Core didn't destroy the TARDIS though, Sutekh stopped it because he was really interested in stopping the daleks from destroying all the universe...which he wanted to do anyway. And the Black and White Guardian's are more powerful than Sutekh anyway.
Why would Sutekh be there all along when he was supposedly cast into a time corridor in PoM? Why attack and trap the Doctor NOW?!
Good questions but it’s maybe tied up with Ruby’s power and why Maestro is scared of her. Certainly whatever let out The Toymaker was equally able to let out Sutekh, even if the timing in Wild Blue Yonder doesn’t QUITE line up. Close enough or the edge of the universe that it might have been a little temporal reflection and no big deal.
Instead of being cast into the time corridor he managed to latch onto the TARDIS in PoM and started gaining power after being weakened, he waited thousands of years and by the time of Wild Blue Yonder he had gained enough to start putting a strain on the TARDIS so it started to groan, or it could be its way of telling the Doctor that something is wrong, like a warning.
And now that he had enough power he used Susan Triad as a trap for the doctor to bring him in, to toy with him. He even uses her to mock him - "Did you think I was family, Doctor?"
This time he is defeated by maintaining distance between him and the TARDIS while in the vortex, maybe sending him back to that corridor to die or using up his energy to reverse his death wave and touching the vortex by the end killing him. But a future writer can bring him back still if they want, just say that only his physical body burned up and he somehow survived. But there probably should be decades between another appearance if any happens again. Though idk why a writer will bring him back, its hard to top "the death of all life in the universe across time and space after gaining power for thousands of years" plot. This story sort of justifies itself as it has been decades since his last appearance and his upped the stakes and had greater power. But you cant go higher than what happened this time.
Can't even use the Toymaker "making a jigsaw" of the Doctor's past to retcon it since we also established he was terrified of the One Who Waits...
I don't think "Why is he doing it NOW?" is a sensible question. He has to attack at some point eventually. You could ask the same question had he done it at any other point so far. It just happens to be now.
Dude watch the episode. His plan was to lay a Susan Triad across all time and space, so when the time was right, he could unleash them across all time and space at the same time. So every moment in time and every space in time died simultaneously.
The only issue I have with this idea is that if the events of Pyramids of Mars are one big bootstrap paradox then the Doctor and Sarah Jane travelling to present day 1980 in the middle of the adventure shouldn't have resulted in them arriving in a timeline where Sutekh won.
I just noticed something sense sutekh was on the tardis sense 4th doctor era does that mean he's on the tardis/the doctor's grave in trenzalore
probably.
That theory makes a lot of sense. It also explains why SJS saw Sutekh inside the TARDIS before Sutekh even knew about the Doctot
It makes no sense, because House, the TARDIS, and the Toymaker, would've all sensed it. Then there's the issue of the TARDIS on Trenzalore; if Sutekh had already been clinging onto the TARDIS for centuries, then why didn't he enact his plan after the Doctor had died?
@@Jackson-ub1uv Osirians like Sutekh are more powerful than Time Lords and Time Lord Tech. They evens say so in the Pyramids of Mars episode and show it by having Sutekh go through the TARDIS defences. And if he can fool Time Lords, he can fool House.
Also the Toymaker did sense Sutekh, remember? They're the same species.
Regarding Trenzalore, you're thinking about time too linealy. The Doctor is a time traveller, being dead doesn't mean he is not around somewhere. If not the 11th then one of the other 11.
i dont care if it makes no sense i enjoyed that episode nobody is taking it away from me either the doctor who cry baby negativity comments wont be replied too. your a legend RTD im starting to enjoy ncuti gatwa take on the doctor now as well i will be sad when he leaves.
So you mean to tell me the Sutekh was inside the Tardis the whole time through 11 incarnations (12 if you count the War Doctor), and no one noticed? Also does this mean he’s still in the 14ths Tardis?
Yeah
It’s more likely he didn’t fully latch on until things changed when The Toymaker cut through to our reality. Only after that did Sutekh manage to latch on AND do it through all the past travels.
Sarah probably noticed Sutekh’s initial attempt or it was related to their proximity to Sutekh. Don’t forget Pyramids of Mars has a similar logical problem: When did 1980 change? We saw 1980 destroyed but it was obviously fine earlier in that episode or in the previous episode. So Sarah slipped into the reality of Empire of Death briefly, just like Ruby did for one episode today.
Also don’t forget that the Doctor notices his memories changing while watching his TARDIS in 2004. It means Sutekh is manifesting in all the timelines, but it’s happening “now” as we watch it, but for the characters it’s happening in the years they live in.
@@whophd When specifically does the Doctor notice his memories change? Time stamp?
That part is the plausible one because he's a god used to being outside of time and he knows how to hide. What is more dubious is his whole plan.
During the Day Of The Doctor:”Hello future Sutekth any news?” 12 Tardis Sutekth:”Nope, we need to wait a decade longer in order for this plan to work, btw if The Doctor looks like he’s going to die in Trenzelore, do not interfere, he does get himself out of it with help from his companion” 4th Tardis Sutekth:”Ok Got it,thank you for notifying me, I’ll just continue playing my god crossword puzzle, wait hold on a minute Trickster trying to call me on Godzapp, apparently he figured out a way to erase Sarah Jane Smith from existence, but it requires a lot of waiting”12th Tardis Sutekth:”Oh😅” 4th Doctor Sutekth:”It didn’t work did it?” 12 Tardis Sutekth:”Nope,not sure what Trickster was thinking considering if he erased Sarah Jane Smith, it affects us too in the paradox”4th Doctor Sutekth:”Ah crap, should I tell him?” 12 Doctor Sutekth:”Nah, this is his plan, he needs to learn from his own mistakes, fall by his own sword, you…I mean we can’t hold his hand forever” 4th Tardis Sutekth:”Yeah your right”
This honestly confuses me so much, like how do they expect me to believe that Suktekh has been attached to the Tardis this entire time?? Someone here talked about how it would have made more sense for him to appear during the flux and honestly I feel like that would make more sense rather than this
You ever wondered if one author hears a story, watches it being acted out and maybe even described as a audio book, and then after the author passed away, another author thinks they can create a story with some of the same characters and alter aspects of the original story and everyone is supposed to be ok with it, I never met Bob Holmes but I did meet Terrance Dicks and he was not happy with the changes to his story. I am referring to The Five Doctors and the Special Edition thereof, but Terrance was very close friend of Bob and I can't say if they ever talked about Pyramids of Mars, which was in the end what has been referred to as a complete rewrite by Bob, but now neither Bob or Terrance are with us anymore, they can't ask RTD (and I ain't got any problems with him, don't get me wrong), why he's ok with changing Classic DW and not just look back at the ones that he might have watched the first time round.
how did you screen record the disney + clip
So what about the other tardis that David tennet has? Wouldn’t that one have sutek on it considering that was the original
I have some questions about this cause I get how sutekh is there but what about after the giggle cause if you remember, The Doctor literally doubles the TARDIS and uses the one doubled version which was wheelchair accessible and has a jukebox but it was the copy he made using the toymaker's mallet while the original stayed with no. 14, So did Sutekh get doubled or did move on to the new Tardis ?
Sutekh is the same power level or stronger than the Toymaker, so its unlikely that the latter's reality warping powers have any effect on him.
@@joseaguilar3323 so is he just switching to the doctor's tardis cause he will still be travelling while 14 just keeps his in Donna's backyard
@@darthvader7508 Yeah
So if he was latching on the tardis all this time, then how did captain jack not know he was there when he grabbed on to the tardis in Utopia.
Because he was invisible.
wait that CGI effect in the original was supposed to be the time-vortex?
Why they didnt have Sutekh latch on in Wild Blue Yonder I'll never know, they were at the edge of the universe, they were preoccupied with the Not-Things, it would've been perfect. Would've been even more perfect if it lasted 2 series, like how Series 5 ended with the TARDIS exploding but Series 6 explained why, they could've spent way more time building up to Sutekh
So now either the TARDIS has been an abuse victim al this time and lied when she was human form.
Or she is evil, likes sutekh and was mugging the Doctor off and helping sutekh perform his plan
I don‘t get why Sutekh appears on 15th Tardis which is a duplicate, the original one is still with 14, or am I missing something? Did Sutekh duplicate as well or hop onto this one at some point?
Good point.
Just like how Fifteen was from Fourteen's personal future, so is his TARDIS
What's funny is that during Day of the Doctor there are nine or ten Sutekhs flying around Gallifrey
Ngl the “no” has always just sounded like a guy to me
Is Suteck still on 14's Tardis?
Bull
This was so stupid
This was the best two part finale ever in my opinion. 10/10
So for 11 regenerations
He has “killed” every time the doctor visited even though we have gone back to some places n it’s not dead or destroyed?
Please let the father brown and sister Boniface writers take over
Sutekh’s harbingers didnt just immediatly kill everything, in Sutekh’s debut episode the doctor demonstrates this exact thing where he doesn’t immediatly stop Sutekh and jumps forward in time and everything IS dead, Sutekh is so powerful he can cause a split in time. Think about it like every time the Doctor had gone to is a place, those places were fine and unchanged until Sutekh activated his harbingers so a split happens where yes we have seen those places be fine but now they aren’t because Sutekh is just that powerful. I hope this explaination helps, I might’ve gotten some details wrong but this is my understanding of it, tl;dr Sutekh is so powerful he can cause time weirdness like this.
I personally believe it's a multiversal theory. Where we see all the doctor's 15 regenerations or maybe at least the fourth the doctor at the Pyramids of Mars. Where Sutekh latched on to the tardis and destroy only certain time lines where the doctor landed.
Or maybe Sutekh decides to destroy a certain timeline he wishes or maybe he wasn't at full power yet to destroy every certain timeline.
Another dumb RTD retcon
It doesn’t make any sense;
15 isn’t the real Doctor, he’s a clone. Same goes for the Tardis. Surely should be attached to the other one not this one- so what is there now 2 Sutekhs?
Also why didn’t the OG Doctor flee earth and randevu with 15, Mel and Ruby?
Why did Ruby have supernatural powers if she’s a regular human? Why did she sing the Trickster’s theme?
Also if Sutekh brought back the universe from the dead does that mean the Dr resurrected Galifrey?
Total load of rubbish. Nothing like the Sutekh of old. New Sutekh looks like a pony.
google "set animal" - he's that...
Absolutely dreadful and nothing to do with the superior 1975 Pyramids of Mars.