Chaos Down Under - And the Tiny Mistake That Caused It | Emirates 407

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  • How one minor error almost resulted in the worst air crash in the history of aviation in Australia.
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    CREDITS
    Voice Actors
    Captain - Lance Beebe
    First Officer - Nancy O’Fallon
    Air Traffic Control - Nancy O’Fallon
    Augmenting Captain - Nancy O’Fallon
    Augmenting First Officer - Michael Neeb
    Music
    Music - purple-planet.com
    Sim Footage
    X Plane
    Camera System - X Camera
    Plane - Toliss A340
    0:00 Intro
    1:23 Context
    1:58 Pilots Enter The Cockpit
    3:06 Continue Preparations
    3:57 Take-Off Calculations
    6:15 Flex Temp
    7:43 Error Checks
    12:05 Push Back & Taxi
    13:27 A Dramatic Take-Off
    14:39 “You’ve Had A Tailstrike”
    17:00 Smoke
    18:06 Aftermath & Analysis
    #aircrashinvestigation #Mayday #3Greens

Komentáře • 260

  • @GemmaLB
    @GemmaLB Před rokem +178

    Emirates 407: You're meant to intercept the localizer on arrival not departure.

  • @sam28600
    @sam28600 Před rokem +60

    The aircraft was not written off, but was instead returned to Airbus by way of a low-altitude flight without pressurisation routed from Melbourne to Toulouse on 19 June via Perth, Singapore, Dubai, and Cairo with the crew flying below 12,000 feet (3,700 m).It was then repaired and return to flight in December 2009. (From Wikipedia)

    • @brianspencer6397
      @brianspencer6397 Před rokem +1

      I bet the fuel bill would be spectacular for that flight home. Jet engines tend to guzzle JP at that level.

    • @shoraz
      @shoraz Před rokem

      ​@@brianspencer6397I'm guessing one of the reasons for that many stops

    • @10Poida
      @10Poida Před 11 měsíci +4

      The extra costs of fuel etc would have been worth it, compared to writing the aircraft off and having that 'stain' on their records.
      PS Both pilots were sacked. (Asked to resign)

  • @hueginvieny7959
    @hueginvieny7959 Před rokem +14

    Man the crew loading that plane was on point they loaded 5 skids in 2 seconds

  • @brentladelle3338
    @brentladelle3338 Před rokem +16

    Thanks for the view into the incident at YMML. After 45 years of flying I have never done a perfect flight.
    This is a small point but the initial data sent from flight planning in Dubai would only have a provisional load sheet and just before doors close they would get the final load sheet.
    Another thing we used to do was make sure the aircraft reached 80 + knots by the 1000 foot markers.

    • @GR8Tmate
      @GR8Tmate Před rokem +1

      There’s so many CZcams experts that get every flight perfect 🙄

    • @TheSilmarillian
      @TheSilmarillian Před 11 měsíci

      @@GR8Tmate Have you ever flown I guess not the comment you replied to actually (
      @brentladelle3338)
      4 months ago shows your ignorance of the 1000ft marker no not a commercial [pilot as in heavy iron here but IFR twin turbine save your comments for those who are silly enough 2 listen 2 you doubt you have in my mind at least you have never approached V1 nor ever apart from a Microsoft simulator game ever descended 2 and entered short final towards the black stuff towards the piano keys in reality ,enough said

    • @chipsawdust5816
      @chipsawdust5816 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@TheSilmarillian Ace of the base here. :/

  • @anhedonianepiphany5588
    @anhedonianepiphany5588 Před rokem +46

    It’s hard to believe that such a modern sophisticated aircraft doesn’t possess technology which can detect any huge disparity in actual weight and that input manually. There are multiple ways this could be achieved.

    • @marksmith8079
      @marksmith8079 Před rokem +15

      The problem is the plane was designed in 1970s so the computerized system are melded system mess. The fact that they need to run the system performance in a laptop is just asking for errors.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Před rokem +5

      Most aircraft use laptops/tablets for takeoff/landing performance calculation

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Před rokem +10

      The aircraft cannot weigh itself in the first place

    • @charleskennedy1712
      @charleskennedy1712 Před rokem +4

      @@marksmith8079 A340 is a 1990s design

    • @robertbandusky9565
      @robertbandusky9565 Před rokem

      @@tomstravels520 true! And if I remember correctly, ZFW must be entered manually?

  • @jacobkrause4305
    @jacobkrause4305 Před rokem +5

    Your channel is my favorite of all the crash breakdown channels, i love that it stays in the cockpit with clear voice overs. Such informative content.

  • @adamw.8579
    @adamw.8579 Před rokem +8

    One of the best lessons in aviation - no casualties. 👍

  • @jiks270
    @jiks270 Před rokem +18

    Can I just say how great these vids have become?
    Yes, looks like I can!

    • @1981dlambert
      @1981dlambert Před rokem +1

      Yeah, the production is really improving.

  • @hueginvieny7959
    @hueginvieny7959 Před rokem +16

    They should of went to toga if it didn't rotate and kept the nose down to gain speed. The tail strike happened from the f/o pulling to hard like it was going to ake a difference every pilot knows by looking at the flight director what will result in a tail strike this crew made very careless and very dangerous decisions I hope training allowed them to recognize problems and how to deal with them

    • @TheAazah
      @TheAazah Před rokem

      It's not toga it's retard mode!!

    • @c8Lorraine1
      @c8Lorraine1 Před rokem

      Emirates fired the crew. Doubt the First Officer ( &captain) will fly anything other than freight from budget airline

  • @ch00ch69
    @ch00ch69 Před rokem +14

    Love the new content, keep it up. Glad I don't have to travel any time soon.

    • @grahamchapple3552
      @grahamchapple3552 Před rokem

      i fly business class when we crash and burn then i will something to complain about

  • @seojoon20
    @seojoon20 Před rokem +4

    I cant be the only one to think that his channel logo looks like the icon for zero in rainbow six siege

  • @freezersnout
    @freezersnout Před rokem +14

    After going through your back catalog, I tried to find some other channel covering air accidents in this kind of way. I've found nothing, short of the ACI tv show, that comes even close to your storytelling, visual quality, and narration. Thank you for so thoughtfully covering all these incidents. We're grateful for you!

    • @effkay3691
      @effkay3691 Před rokem +2

      Really? You’ve found no other channel? The random panning to empty cgi seats in an empty cabin is certainly unique.Nice when your best mate leaves a comment.

    • @GlennDavey
      @GlennDavey Před rokem +8

      Green Dot Aviation. Mentour Pilot. Disaster Breakdown. Mini Air Crash Investigation. And all without the cringe Straya accent.

    • @effkay3691
      @effkay3691 Před rokem +1

      @@GlennDavey bit harsh. It’s those American narrators that are much worse. Especially when the try “entertain” with jokes or with dramatic inflection

    • @GlennDavey
      @GlennDavey Před rokem +2

      @@effkay3691 yeh nah I prefer that. If I wanted to listen to some bloke who just sounds like me I can talk to myself

    • @freezersnout
      @freezersnout Před rokem +3

      My bad, admittedly this is what I get for trying to comment when I’m half asleep. I should’ve said among small channels, and Mentour completely slipped my mind (big oof). Big fan of Petter and both his channels it’s just been a little bit since I binged through all his investigations so it wasn’t top of mind. The team behind those are fantastic. I started watching Mini Air Crash Investigations and a couple other channels a while back but I didn’t connect with them as much. Not Mini ACI in particular but it felt like a some channels were more interested in sensationalism than learning from the accident.

  • @chamowmeuh
    @chamowmeuh Před rokem +3

    every time i see one of your video coming out make me so happy

  • @steve3291
    @steve3291 Před rokem +46

    This was shambolic. It would be interesting to know whether the pilots were sanctioned. If not, I am sure they won't make that mistake again and I hope sterile conditions are brought in the moment they enter the flight deck as a result of this.

    • @lost4468yt
      @lost4468yt Před rokem +14

      It was shambolic. But given that within the next decade, pilots would enter the takeoff temperatures incorrectly *three times* over the next decade. E.g. one of them accidentally entered -54c instead of what I believe should have been 24c, so the engines assumed they could be limited to 60% thrust - these pilots barely lifted off the runway, and then much more worryingly were only able to gain 800ft in altitude several miles after leaving the airport, before finally finding their mistake.
      I'm not defending these pilots. But when this happens several times in a decade (and thankfully there were no fatalities), it's pretty clear there's something much deeper going on here?
      I think the problem is that pilots see a digital system like this that *looks* so deeply integrated into the aircraft, and then they feel that they're getting all of the sanity checks, input verification, etc etc etc.
      And thankfully these issues have now been improved by software updates. If you enter an insane temperature, I believe both companies have fixed this. The aircraft has sensorss for detecting the temperature where the plane is. Now it compares that to whatever value you entered. . I don't know the full details of these updates outside of the fuel temp, and whether they have similar protections for incorrect weight configurations. But given these have been patched to at least some degree.
      So while these pilots had serious issues elsewhere - I seriously would also seriously think the above has a huge issue as well.

    • @youngdumbguitarist5348
      @youngdumbguitarist5348 Před rokem +6

      They were asked to resign the airline upon arrival in Dubai.

    • @jackychan9236
      @jackychan9236 Před rokem +2

      They resigned.

    • @andyrutto7724
      @andyrutto7724 Před rokem +2

      Assigning or apportioning blames never solve the problem.

    • @MichaelKingsfordGray
      @MichaelKingsfordGray Před rokem +3

      Investigations are NOT to apportion blame!
      They exist to modify procedures to avoid a reoccurrence.
      Sanctioning crew is a great way to have further incidents, due to a disincentive to "come forward" with vital information.

  • @derekmidgley
    @derekmidgley Před rokem +5

    Didn't a very similar incident happen to Emirates in Johannesburg? I remember reading that they "picked" two of the best locations they could have to make this mistake. If they had made this mistake in any number of other locations they wouldn't have been as lucky.

  • @krozareq
    @krozareq Před rokem +2

    Fantastic video. Your skills on doing these videos has improved a lot.

  • @mauricedavis2160
    @mauricedavis2160 Před rokem +5

    Thank you for your detailed explanation of the event and what caused it!!!🙏👍🦉🛫

  • @sorover111
    @sorover111 Před rokem +1

    You do a really good job on these 👌🏼

  • @robbflynn4325
    @robbflynn4325 Před rokem +4

    Very smart analysis.

  • @stevemcdonald806
    @stevemcdonald806 Před rokem

    1st time,I've visited your site & am really enjoying it,so you now have another follower!

  • @matthewboone7158
    @matthewboone7158 Před rokem +2

    Please do West Coast Airlines flight 956. I've hiked to the wreckage many times and it's all still there, on the mountainside.

  • @BabyFruitBat
    @BabyFruitBat Před rokem +17

    That plane was nearly at it's maximum take-off weight. Any decent pilot should have been alerted to an issue when the takeoff temperatures were limited.

    • @toomanyuserids
      @toomanyuserids Před rokem +3

      What engines on this A340? The early ones were comically underpowered

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Před rokem

      @@toomanyuserids RR Trent-500

  • @hwd7
    @hwd7 Před rokem +7

    There is no underestimating human incompetence.
    It was sheer luck that all on board didn't lose their lives.

  • @usmale49
    @usmale49 Před rokem

    Great video. Thank you!

  • @Nobilangelo
    @Nobilangelo Před rokem +10

    The FMGS should read back the figures itself, and loudly. And ask, 'Are you sure?'

    • @DeathByPancake7
      @DeathByPancake7 Před rokem +1

      There’s no need if procedures are followed…..

  • @maddyrollinson2443
    @maddyrollinson2443 Před rokem +5

    Great video

  • @Primus54
    @Primus54 Před rokem +11

    There needs to be a point where an experienced flight crew goes beyond the mundane entering of data to then look at the completed picture holistically and asks, “Does this make sense?” Knowing the aircraft is close to full and will be traveling for that many hours, “common sense” should have kicked in when reviewing the de-rating value of the engines.

    • @Robert_N
      @Robert_N Před rokem +2

      De-rating from Sydney to Melbourne, certainly. De-rating from Melbourne to Dubai, no chance in hell.

    • @Kelvin-ed6ce
      @Kelvin-ed6ce Před rokem +1

      yeah, if pilot's workload is more like 1 flight in 3 days, then you can keep everything fresh. I lose focus at the end of a normal workday and even I feel that pilots work more and can easily lose focus. 15 hour shifts etc.. at some point you just wanna go through the motions and go home

  • @kikastra
    @kikastra Před rokem +5

    Thankfully, not all the rules are written in blood.

  • @hakimyasin9508
    @hakimyasin9508 Před rokem +11

    I have an issue with the crew not noticing the slower take off speed while they knew they had a full load.

  • @petergosney6433
    @petergosney6433 Před rokem +2

    This has happened before at Melbourne. A Singapore flight in the 80’s took off Rwy27 and left 600’ of furrows off the end of the runway. It was blamed on the Qantas Loadmaster understating the load by the equivalent of an F27. I had to tell the pilot what was found on the ground after departure en route to Singapore. They decided to continue on to Singapore, because that is their maintenance base. Rwy27 at Melbourne can never be extended, because there is a deep ravine off the end.

    • @10Poida
      @10Poida Před 11 měsíci

      In their 3rd runway plans, they had another option for an East-West runway (Like runway 27) and a North-South runway. (Like runway 34). The up roar of going for another East West runway would have been deafening. So they've chosen plans for another North-South Runway.

    • @Robochop-vz3qm
      @Robochop-vz3qm Před 11 měsíci

      Cant they just fill in the old quarry? I mean, those blokes are worth half a billion each.

    • @petergosney6433
      @petergosney6433 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@Robochop-vz3qm off the end of 27 is Deep Creek, a 60’ ravine running N-S. A longer or a second Rwy27 was never on. The original plans from the 60s always included a second Rwy16-34. In the 80s a housing development was scotched on the south side of the airport, even after roads, kerbs and gutters had been constructed, due to “future planning”.

    • @Robochop-vz3qm
      @Robochop-vz3qm Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@petergosney6433 thanks mate. Just watch the movie 'The Castle' 😁

    • @petergosney6433
      @petergosney6433 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@Robochop-vz3qm ahh. Well, tell ‘im he’s dreamin’.

  • @kevin_mitchell
    @kevin_mitchell Před rokem +4

    11:20 Error check - this is what the error check is supposed to reveal, discrepancies. So instead of investigating the discrepancy, he just manually overwrites the "2" with a "3". So why do the check???

    • @brianspencer6397
      @brianspencer6397 Před rokem +1

      Can't have the paperwork being wrong, can you! And maybe they need to directly upload from the laptop to the aircraft flight computer without letting a human being touch the data.

  • @jimmywrangles
    @jimmywrangles Před rokem

    Very well done.

  • @sabbottart
    @sabbottart Před rokem

    Good presentation. New subscriber here.

  • @thomaspiedmont
    @thomaspiedmont Před rokem +2

    Great work! 👍🏼

  • @bar10ml44
    @bar10ml44 Před rokem +2

    And not a word from auxiliary crew

    • @c8Lorraine1
      @c8Lorraine1 Před rokem +1

      They were fired too

    • @10Poida
      @10Poida Před 11 měsíci

      @@c8Lorraine1 really?? I didnt know. In all honesty I think that's way too harsh. They werent on the flight deck as check pilots.

  • @user-hd2hp6ve1c
    @user-hd2hp6ve1c Před 11 měsíci

    With all the flight data on the flight computer including airport specs it's surprising such an error couldn't be flagged.

  • @stevenwest000
    @stevenwest000 Před rokem +1

    Interesting voiceovers lol
    Thanks for the video though.

  • @DeltaStar777
    @DeltaStar777 Před rokem +8

    What I can’t understand is why the pilots didn’t pick up the low speed earlier, I mean honestly should the tail have to hit the ground for the Captain to react.

  • @tomriley5790
    @tomriley5790 Před rokem +2

    At least they didn't fly from India to the gulf and hope it didn't become news :-)! Rather scarey that the human factors didn't correct this error, shows even when being careful if you miss one small critical step it all falls apart. All in all though the crew managed the incident really well once it happened.

    • @c8Lorraine1
      @c8Lorraine1 Před rokem

      Emirates chose to focus on the reason for the tail strike and determined it was a student pilot rookie mistake made by professionals and fired the flight crew. Should have made them foot the bill for the plane and damage to ground.

  • @mikemoreno4469
    @mikemoreno4469 Před rokem

    Very good.

  • @maxtornogood
    @maxtornogood Před rokem +4

    The bigger mistake is that it wasn't caught by the others.

    • @c8Lorraine1
      @c8Lorraine1 Před rokem +1

      The reason they were ALL fired by airline.
      They returned to Dubai as passengers

    • @10Poida
      @10Poida Před 11 měsíci

      The AUG pilots? I did wonder that too, but then I wondered about noise in the cockpit and distance from the pilots flying (Facing forwards) and the AUG pilots behind. Not to mention the fact, the AUG pilots werent check pilots, so who knows how much attention they were paying?

  • @HtPt
    @HtPt Před rokem

    Great video content . Can you do the “Aviant Cargo “ MD11 , out of Shanghai Crash 💥, similar conditions as this . Thanks .

  • @nicholasvinen
    @nicholasvinen Před rokem +9

    Manually transcribing data between two digital systems seems unnecessary and a chance for a lot of errors to creep in.
    Also, rather than derating the engines, why not simply give the pilots a throttle position for takeoff? That way, they have a better chance of figuring out what is going on and can adjust power more easily.

    • @brsl1011
      @brsl1011 Před rokem +5

      @@rockmandokeeperofthestones70 If you drove your car at full throttle frequently it would break down a lot more. Also, full power was available to the pilots, but they never went for it because in their eyes (as a result of their errors) they felt it was unnecessary. Furthermore, if engine performance is not as expected, you stop the takeoff, its not guesswork. Planes also cannot stand at the beginning of every takeoff to test power because that would absolutely destroy most runways quite quickly. Lastly, the Trent 500 engines on the a340-500 can never achieve maximum power because they were derated from the factory because they did not need to be that powerful.

    • @c8Lorraine1
      @c8Lorraine1 Před rokem +1

      @@brsl1011
      The pilots were fired once returned to Dubai

  • @davidpearn5925
    @davidpearn5925 Před rokem +1

    The final check is the closeness to the GUESSED weight figure…….within plus or minus 10-20 tonnes would be reasonable for any experienced crew………..right ?

  • @edenconahan8998
    @edenconahan8998 Před rokem

    I been flying with Emirates airlines since 1999 ❤ 19:28

  • @richardshiggins704
    @richardshiggins704 Před rokem +5

    I wonder what the results were for the Capt. and F/O ?

    • @DeathByPancake7
      @DeathByPancake7 Před rokem +1

      Fired

    • @DeathByPancake7
      @DeathByPancake7 Před rokem +1

      And no desert and dinner time.

    • @davebarclay4429
      @davebarclay4429 Před rokem +2

      They were asked to resign as soon as they got back to Dubai and did so. Pretty typical of Emirates - if something goes wrong their first reaction is to sack the crew which does nothing to foster a good, honest safety culture.

    • @TheHayabusa09
      @TheHayabusa09 Před rokem +2

      @@davebarclay4429 I agree. I worked with EK for 24yrs. They protected their own (locals) and fired anyone who made simple errors. The local pilot that crashed back into dubai from HYD, was given a very lucrative ground position and the Aussie FO forced to resign.

  • @HostNayner
    @HostNayner Před rokem

    OMG I MISS YOUR VIDEOS!!
    PLEASE COME BACK TO US

  • @terrie8121
    @terrie8121 Před rokem

    Worst air crust in he history of Australia, I lost it there 😂

  • @basic48
    @basic48 Před rokem +2

    As a Load Cell designer I know that the entire plane can be weighed before takeoff. It can also becaused to determine any Hard Landing...WHY IS THIS NOT USED?

    • @rayleslie4767
      @rayleslie4767 Před rokem

      Because you can have a hard landing regardless of weight, it is G force that is measured and used in inspection criteria post any suspected hard landing, and with good feedback from flight crew on VS at touchdown.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Před rokem

      What difference would it make? The error was typing the weight into the laptop, not into the aircrafts FMGS

  • @mallorieryan9573
    @mallorieryan9573 Před rokem +7

    I wonder what the damage to the aircraft cost to repair.

  • @MUFC1933
    @MUFC1933 Před rokem

    15:25 it’s good this , I’m just going for a jettison 😅

  • @TheHayabusa09
    @TheHayabusa09 Před rokem +1

    The sad truth became more apparent when all crew returned to their hotel (Hilton On the Park, now Pullman) to gather themselves and await further assistance. That 'assistance' turned out to be senior EK management based in Dubai, instructing all cabin crew that it is forbidden to contact anyone, be it family, friends or acquaintances via mobile phones, as all calls/messages will be traced. A pity when a company puts their staff at a distant 10th in priority. Both flight deck were immediately removed and disciplined upon arrival back in DXB.

  • @briansmaller7443
    @briansmaller7443 Před rokem +1

    THis is why I hae flying - surely an experienced pilot should know from experience that the TO speed and power seemed off.

    • @TheAazah
      @TheAazah Před rokem +2

      Don't hate flying lol
      Flying is the safest form of travel in fact you more likely to die in a car accident on the way to the airport.

  • @pirate3599
    @pirate3599 Před 7 měsíci

    This is just one of many EK incidents

  • @sixtyflights
    @sixtyflights Před rokem +1

    Hey what is ops normal?

  • @SuperPhunThyme9
    @SuperPhunThyme9 Před 9 měsíci

    4:13 a little late, Cap!
    edit: I'll bet those 4 smaller engines spool up faster than a similarly sized 2-engine. They're lucky if so.

  • @mauricedavis2160
    @mauricedavis2160 Před rokem

    One less passenger to worry about on Emirates airline for sure!!!🙏🤔😵‍💫✈️

  • @kaufengshan3798
    @kaufengshan3798 Před rokem

    Same incident SQ from akl to sin where B747 have tail drag before airborn .. 100,000 ton shot of takeoff weight calculated

  • @sailaab
    @sailaab Před rokem +2

    Well... so 'the safest' mode of transportation is about as safe as hundreds if people possibly dying a horrific death.. due to casual people doing silly mistakes... while having near zero margin for error.

    • @c8Lorraine1
      @c8Lorraine1 Před rokem

      Emirates considered the issue a rookie mistake and relieved it didn’t result in casualties. Fired the crew and humiliated them by having them return to Dubai as economy class passengers

  • @JCG-049
    @JCG-049 Před rokem

    The 777 with 4 engines

  • @sorover111
    @sorover111 Před rokem

    I guess luckily for them (flight crew), after doing things wrong to get in the situation, they did everything right after it.

    • @c8Lorraine1
      @c8Lorraine1 Před rokem

      Not nearly enough for the airline who promptly dismissed them.
      They returned to Dubai as passengers

  • @tchevrier
    @tchevrier Před rokem +2

    thats a costly mistake

    • @c8Lorraine1
      @c8Lorraine1 Před rokem +1

      Not just financial cost to Emirates Airlines but cost the pilots their careers

  • @caseydykes117
    @caseydykes117 Před rokem

    when u get your sids and stars mixed up and its not in msfs so it actually counts.

  • @robertbandusky9565
    @robertbandusky9565 Před rokem +4

    I’m surprised the FMC would except that error with that much fuel on board?👨‍✈️

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Před rokem

      There is no direct correlation between the aircraft weight and the takeoff speeds because other factors can affect it

  • @j4891
    @j4891 Před rokem

    A) Most all large airplanes [since like the 60's] use oleo (oil+gas) struts to support their weight on the landing gear. A simple temperature & pressure reading from the struts would provide an estimated weight. It wouldn't be super accurate, but close enough to spot weight/balance issues that would affect Takeoff. More than a few incidents have been caused by weight/balance issues, and this would be a cheap and easy way to catch them.
    B) If the plane's computer is given the weight and wind speed, it should be able to use input from the inertial guidance/accelerometers, air speed, and engine settings to check against the predicted acceleration. If the mismatch is greater than a predetermined percentage, it could set off a warning. This should be able to be implemented via just a software update for newer planes. It could even potentially catch more issues than just inaccurate weight, any problems causing poor acceleration that don't trigger existing alarms/sensors, would still set this off.

    • @c8Lorraine1
      @c8Lorraine1 Před rokem +1

      Only a fool blames his tools for his own stupidity

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Před rokem

      A) weight sensors were tested in aircraft before but after a few landings they became unreliable so wasn’t with the cost. Also you need to remember the crew calculated the correct weight and entered it correctly into the FMGS. It was typing that weight into the EFB that was wrong and if the crew had cross checked their green dot speeds as they were supposed to they would have noticed it was wrong.
      B) The A350 has a takeoff monitoring capability. If the acceleration is not as expected then it warns the pilots about that

    • @j4891
      @j4891 Před rokem

      @tomstravels520
      A1) Do you have any additional info about those tests? I'd be interested in researching it further. A simple solenoid valve to isolate the sensor from over-stress during landing would seem an obvious solution, so it makes me curious.
      A2) Yes, their mistake, and any similar (incorrect info, loading mistakes, etc), are what the proposed system would be there to catch. Deeming a monitoring/alarm system unwarranted based on it not being needed if pilots do everything correctly would invalidate many of the existing ones already in use. No need for bank angle, stall, overspeed, etc, alarms if pilots do everything correctly every time. Unfortunately humans are pitiably fallible creatures, making such systems beneficial no matter the level of redundancy baked into proper procedure. As to if my particular proposal would ultimately be feasible or worthwhile... I'd need to research more to make any justifiable arguments. Only a proposed idea at the moment.
      B) Interesting, thanks for the info! I'll see what I can find out about the system and its capabilities/requirements. 😊

  • @ishamkader2696
    @ishamkader2696 Před rokem

    TOW error. Cockpit distraction causes VMU less than VR and unattainable V2 speed.

  • @OzzMazz
    @OzzMazz Před rokem

    @18:40, Distraction rather than Distration.

  • @pilbomags488
    @pilbomags488 Před rokem

    2:37 ahh, there's your problem. They were talking to a scam centre.

  • @ambassadorkees
    @ambassadorkees Před rokem +2

    Wouldn't weight sensors (scales) inside the wheel struts make this whole weight & balance easier to check?

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Před rokem

      Firstly that was tested in the past and they were unreliable. Secondly the weight was correctly calculated and entered correctly into the aircrafts computer. It was typing into the EFB that was incorrect so having a weight sensor wouldn’t have made a difference

  • @jimcronin2043
    @jimcronin2043 Před rokem +3

    The accident might not have cost any lives but it should have cost a couple of jobs.

    • @c8Lorraine1
      @c8Lorraine1 Před rokem +1

      It did !
      They returned to Dubai as passengers
      And Emirates fired crew

  • @change_your_oil_regularly4287

    👍

  • @ilovesuisse1
    @ilovesuisse1 Před rokem +1

    This is what happens when you don’t double-check what you typed in.

    • @c8Lorraine1
      @c8Lorraine1 Před rokem +1

      Flight crew found out the hard way.
      They were fired by emirates

  • @brianspencer6397
    @brianspencer6397 Před rokem +1

    Why not directly download the data from the EFB laptop to the FGMS computer, without letting the humans mishandle the data unintentionally on its way between the two computers? And the augmenting pilots aren't self-loading cargo - surely they were supposed to be paying attention to the details of what would eventually become their aircraft, and at least one of them heard the '262.9 tonnes' and had the thought that the value was way too light for such a long flight.

    • @c8Lorraine1
      @c8Lorraine1 Před rokem

      Yep, and the crew were fired for not noticing the difference

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Před rokem

      Because if your laptop or tablet has a bug or virus and then you plug into the aircraft systems…….not a good idea. That’s why EFB’s that are built into the aircraft like 787 can do that but external ones using iPads can’t

  • @Skynet-1
    @Skynet-1 Před rokem

    Check! ✔

  • @TheSilmarillian
    @TheSilmarillian Před 11 měsíci

    Humble prop pilot here but those flying heavy iron should observe sterile cockpit from their entry to that environment in my humble opinion if the engines are turning enough said

  • @ilovesuisse1
    @ilovesuisse1 Před rokem +2

    Melbourne is NOT pronounced Melborn, it’s Melburn.

  • @riogri
    @riogri Před rokem

    Is that xplane11???

  • @ma77mc
    @ma77mc Před rokem +3

    That is BY FAR the worst attempt at an Australian accent I’ve ever heard.

  • @richardpaulholdengarde7321

    While operating 747/300 at Johannesburg International Airport, another Emeràt

    • @richardpaulholdengarde7321
      @richardpaulholdengarde7321 Před rokem +1

      Sorry, never finished,but I was operating a SAA 747/300, and we lined up on Runway 19R at Johannesburg International Airport, and a Emirates Airbus A 340 was ahead, and taking Off. It also had not done correct Take Off data, and took forever to get airborne to and also took out the approach Lights of 03L, and had to dump fuel and return.
      I also later operated A 340's and was certainly not impressed, because I had problems, that not ever Airbus Factory in France Could sort it out.
      I eventually Left SAA, and returned to operating 747/300's by all over the World, which was the safest Aircraft ever Built.
      Also I noticed, that when operating A340, how Pilots loosing their Skills, and these computerized Aircraft, are know, creating more accidents in today's World per Hours flown worldwide

    • @richardpaulholdengarde7321
      @richardpaulholdengarde7321 Před rokem

      Sorry, never finished,but I was operating a SAA 747/300, and we lined up on Runway 19R at Johannesburg International Airport, and a Emirates Airbus A 340 was ahead, and taking Off. It also had not done correct Take Off data, and took forever to get airborne to and also took out the approach Lights of 03L, and had to dump fuel and return.
      I also later operated A 340's and was certainly not impressed, because I had problems, that not ever Airbus Factory in France Could sort it out.
      I eventually Left SAA, and returned to operating 747/300's by all over the World, which was the safest Aircraft ever Built.
      Also I noticed, that when operating A340, how Pilots loosing their Skills, and these computerized Aircraft, are know, creating more accidents in today's World per Hours flown worldwide

  • @juliemanarin4127
    @juliemanarin4127 Před rokem +1

    They got lucky...more damage could have occurred.

    • @c8Lorraine1
      @c8Lorraine1 Před rokem +1

      And Emirates knows.
      The reason why they fired the crew.
      They returned to Dubai as passengers

  • @JustMyOpinion1010
    @JustMyOpinion1010 Před rokem +1

    Interesting story but the narration leave room for improvement

  • @STREAM2UJA
    @STREAM2UJA Před rokem

    BEAVIS: "emirates confirm ops normal" ........
    BUTTHEAD: " uhhhh....negative 407" lol

  • @c8Lorraine1
    @c8Lorraine1 Před rokem

    Pilots were forced to resign when they arrived back in Dubai

  • @tomperkins5657
    @tomperkins5657 Před rokem

    Anyone else see a darker screen video or maybe my computer.

  • @andysfaleshi2884
    @andysfaleshi2884 Před rokem

    blunder down under

  • @okcantbelieveit294
    @okcantbelieveit294 Před rokem

    What crock!!!

  • @Jamboliner
    @Jamboliner Před rokem +2

    This is not acceptable.

  • @smithy280663
    @smithy280663 Před rokem +2

    the accents are nearly as bad as the errors made by the flight crew

  • @shahidahmed7885
    @shahidahmed7885 Před rokem +2

    Not enough thrust mean, two things wrong. Mechanical failure or wrong calculation of the data enter in FMG.

  • @Berghiker
    @Berghiker Před rokem

    @5:40 not 100 000 kilos, rather 1000 kilos.

    • @johnyoung1128
      @johnyoung1128 Před rokem

      Yes 100,000 k. Or 100 tonnes. With long range transport aircraft of this nature maximum fuel load can exceed the empty weight of the aircraft itself. A 1 tonne discrepancy would not have the performance effect seen with this incident.

    • @Berghiker
      @Berghiker Před rokem

      @@johnyoung1128 Sorry, you are right. My bad.

    • @johnyoung1128
      @johnyoung1128 Před rokem +1

      @@Berghiker You don’t have to apologise, two errors were mentioned of which only one was corrected, one of 1000 kg that was corrected and the one that caused the problem of 100,000 kg that wasn’t.

  • @howmathematicianscreatemat9226

    Emirates has the best pilots in the world. Are you sure it was them ?

  • @GeneralSeptem
    @GeneralSeptem Před rokem

    To be fair, the A340 has *really bad* takeoff performance.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Před 11 měsíci

      The -200/-300 do, this was a -500 with much more powerful engines

  • @simonhulme8036
    @simonhulme8036 Před 6 měsíci

    Nope, can't do it. Can't listen to this guys voice any longer. 6 minutes and I'm done. Thought this would be as good as green dot aviation. How wrong was I....

  • @JeaneGenie
    @JeaneGenie Před 10 měsíci +1

    Sounds like 2 incompetent pilots. First not picking up on the input error. Then it must have been glaringly obvious during the take-off roll the aircraft was sluggish, so the captain should have selected toga much earlier.

  • @180mph9
    @180mph9 Před rokem +1

    What was she doing out of the galley?

    • @THEDISAFFECTED
      @THEDISAFFECTED Před rokem +1

      Making mistakes, panicking as soon as their effect became apparent, then, finding the subsequent process step wouldn't work, rather than troubleshoot, just kept pulling her sidestick further back, causing a whole new problem once the captain corrected her first.
      Double standards are unfair to the other flight crew and all the souls on board and at risk, but be thankful that they allow employers to suppress wages.

  • @kevinmueller5284
    @kevinmueller5284 Před rokem +2

    That is a case of being “penny wise and pound foolish”. In an attempt to save a few pennies on engine maintenance by limiting thrust they caused, how much and damage to the airport and the tail of the airplane? A small fortune I am sure.
    My advice, if this airline cannot afford to pay its bills to the point that it has to cut corners like this then perhaps they should sell their aircraft, buy a fleet of garbage trucks, and start hauling trash instead of people. Get into the business for which you are best suited!

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Před rokem

      All airlines do this, one aircraft on one day one one flight might not seem much, now multiply this by how many flights a day it does multiply by a year then multiply the amount of aircraft you have.....it's a massive saving.

  • @antlaupapanastasiou
    @antlaupapanastasiou Před rokem

    Doing a breakdown on gender disasters is absolutely iconic. I am so pleased to find out that you're trans as well! I've always gravitated to your breakdown series because of your insights and depth of research but this is just the icing on the cake. Happy pride from Sydney 💜

  • @HoundDogMech
    @HoundDogMech Před rokem +1

    100 tons is NOT a minor Mistake on the FO's part it is a 27.5% difference. I don't know her Flight Experience and her Famerility with either the EFB software the planes NORMAL TO WEIGHT.or even the abnormal V Speeds calculated because of a 100 ton mistake. Even the Captain should have suspected something was amiss. A non fully loaded Airbus on a 14 hour flight would have such low V speeds.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Před rokem +1

      These pilots also flew the much lighter A330 so could get used to all sorts of numbers

    • @c8Lorraine1
      @c8Lorraine1 Před rokem +1

      Crew was dismissed.
      Returned to Dubai as passengers.

  • @-EC002-
    @-EC002- Před rokem +4

    I need to know that those two "pilots" never set foot on a flight deck ever again!

    • @tchevrier
      @tchevrier Před rokem +4

      why?

    • @-EC002-
      @-EC002- Před rokem +2

      @@tchevrier Did you not watch the video? They were almost responsible for the deaths of around 250 people. That's not something you should ever get a second chance at.

    • @tchevrier
      @tchevrier Před rokem +4

      @@-EC002- lol. That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that it was a learning experience. You can almost guarantee they won't make that mistake again.

    • @krozareq
      @krozareq Před rokem +2

      Not likely with the same airline. But who knows. Seeing 74 in the flex temp should've raised a red flag then and there from any experienced crew member. On TO roll, seeing the N1 derate target on the EICAS screen should've also made the PM question the TO. These are numbers they would've seen on every predeparture and takeoff and knew they were loaded heavy with fuel and payload.

    • @c8Lorraine1
      @c8Lorraine1 Před rokem +1

      Emirates fired the crew.
      They didn’t fly home, they returned as passengers
      Maybe they can fly freight for another airline.
      Not harsh when Emirates considers itself a premier airline.

  • @lewiskelly14
    @lewiskelly14 Před rokem +1

    You repeat yourself a lot