American Horror Story: NYC is (mostly) misunderstood
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Intro 00:00-10:56
Something’s Coming 10:56-20:38
Thank You For Your Service 20:38-23:30
Smoke Signals 23:30-24:40
Black Out 24:40-26:13
Bad Fortune 26:13-28:08
The Body 28:08-30:53
The Sentinel 30:53-33:02
Fire Island 33:02-36:02
Requiem 1981/1987 (Parts 1&2) 36:02-44:09
5 minutes in and its nothing but anti-white rhetoric. Why are you like this?
me wanting a show to include more POC actors to represent the VERY diverse nature of the LGBT community during the AIDS crisis (which disproportionately affected black and indigenous communities) is not anti white
@@cainvarnerwhat’s crazy is that Murphy is one of the guys who made Pose.
Lol. Why, cuz he thinks some people of color should have been included in the cast? Y'all really show your asses at every opportunity huh?
Lol, why cuz he thought some more people of color should have been included in the cast? Y'all really show your asses at every opportunity huh?
It’s almost like New York is an inCREDIBLY diverse city that should be reflected in media representation
"Half of the gay men on this board could've been an email."
i think you misheard me because i don’t remember saying that😭😭
@@cainvarner Hahahah that's just where my brain went lol
sounds fitting..Im here for cain to explain 🤓 💜
I was a small kid during the AIDS crisis, and my parents were antique dealers/auctioneers. 99% of our family and friends are queer. I remember my parents taking care of people. I remember being very small, I’m talking 3 years old, and a friend telling me goodbye. He was so thin and emaciated, and I couldn’t make it better. We lost a lot of amazing people, that could only have made the world better through their existence. It’s hard to watch almost everyone you love, die.
This season, I get what it is trying to do. I always feel a level of shock knowing how few people anymore, KNOW what AIDS of the 80’s looked like. The dismissal of the suffering bothers me quite a bit, so I’ll take anything that recognizes it. That said, EVERYTHING you’ve said about Murphy and NYC, is absolutely correct. NYC is lacking POC and trans people. One of our closest friends was trans. Her boyfriend tested positive, and she found his body. That night she ended her life. I wish they would have covered how often that happened.
Also, I’ve known a lot of leather daddies (due to who my parents sold their business to and were friends with), and that villain makes me feel odd, especially since the guys in their leather gear would wave at my sister and I while they were heading in. I guess it’s just odd thinking of a leather daddy as a villain, since it contrasts with my childhood memories lol.
that is quite the life experience you just laid down. i’m so sorry you had to live through that. with AHS it’s never going to be perfect but i felt like the ending at least took the crisis seriously which is something AHS almost never does. It could’ve been so much worse though like AHS Cult or In Asylum when they touched on the holocaust.
Leather daddies ❤ love them
Also, you remember being 3?! I barely remember where I am half the time.
It’s crazy to think how having aids was literally a banishment from society. And how that cover of time magazine with the man and his son who was dying of aids was what got peoples hearts involved. Ugh Nancy Regan 🤡
There is a great docu about the fight to be recognized by aids patients in the 80s I think it’s called how to survive a plague, I bet you would appreciate it as it’s from that time (and I think nyc!) you mention.
I just wanna say homie isn't into BDSM, he's into torture. Not the same. BDSM is all about consent, he does not care if the men consent.
i can’t say that on this platform
@@cainvarner that's fair, I forget they don't censor the comments so we can say the things but you can't.
@@briannaobrien4419until you get auto deleted bc CZcams does that so much. Sometimes I get auto removed bc I say d i e like wow I just d i e d of laughter and I get a pop up that says “you might have posted a comment that goes against our community rules” or something. Or when I jokingly called someone a dummy (their screen name was crash test doll something or other) and I got a “hate speech” pop up alert 😂
this fossil of a website is silencing us
As someone who watched and loved pose. This just feels like a less emotional not as diversified horror pose. Pose was able to talk about these exact same problems, like the aids crisis, which they were able to talk about over the entire runtime of the show, where they actually told the story of hope and how people can live long happy lives if they have the treatment needed they told stories of tragedy while telling that story of hope and I know American horror story isn’t a happy ending show but if you like this season pose is 100 times better💕🖤
And if you have never watched pose, I want to elaborate, but I mean on diversity (it’s also set in like 1980s) they talked about stories of black trans women and they also talked about the fetishization of trans women about how trans people so often are kept a secret and they were also able to bring up the relationship between queer people and the police during this point and they were also able to show the flaws of these people in such an amazing way
So if you think about the leather daddy entity, the only people who ever saw it were the people infected (yes Barbra and the lesbian trio were infected as well). The leather daddy was at the bar the night of the fire because he was spreading, the disease wasn’t yet known and a lot of people who were there were already infected and could have transmitted it at any point if in contact with other injured person, or those who donated blood to the others afterwards. Then in the ending montage he was there following Geno, spreading with him, and surrounding him because that’s what the virus did.
And it was a shared hallucination as a side effect of becoming sicker.
I was far too young to experience the AIDs crisis myself (97 baby), but my grandmother was an active civil rights protestor and ally of LGBT people at the time. She worked in media and news which was absolutely filled with gay men at the time. She has spoken to me about how she witnessed all her friends and colleagues dropping like flies. She said me that there was a long period of time of at least 1-3 years where it was more rare to get through a week without hearing about how someone she knew died. She would go into work on a Monday and the water cooler discussions would be about who passed away over the weekend.
Again, while I didn't live through it myself, the ending really got me. It just reminded me of everything that she had said. I could understand if people who did experience it firsthand find that ending (or the entire season) to be either traumatic or tasteless, I personally feel like the only way to really make these sorts of events sink in with newer generations is by showing a gruesome and real side of it.
Bless your grandmother for her social work. ❤❤
this season was missing some factors without a doubt (people of color, casting the wrong actors as the wrong characters, leaving out other members of the lgbtq+ community, etc.) but the ending BOY THAT ENDING had me crying and sitting in silence for at most 10 minutes and for that it’s in my top 5...this season gave us some good cinematography tho and they totally poured more effort into some characters than others and it showed terribly I will say Joe mantello (Gino) was a wonderful addition his acting was some of the best we’d seen in awhile! The who done it or who’s behind it all made me forget that’s why I was watching in the first place bc it got so good and I was so caught up in it. Good on you for catching a lot of the symbolism this season bc that’s what really separates it from being a hit or a miss. THANK YOU CAIN✨
it’s almost in my top 3. if it had been more inclusive and a bit longer it would be pretty damn perfect for a season of AHS
@@cainvarnerEXACTLY!!
I never realized how there’s not much diversity within the characters 😭 even though the majority of people fighting for gay rights in NYC WERE Pocs.
the season has background characters that are POC but literally none of them are dark skinned and none of them are important 😭😭😭
It’s crazy that Ryan Murphy helped make Pose which was made up of such a diverse cast BUT he did not deliver that here in AHS nyc even though both of them are in the same place, same time, and same virus being spread.
@robbie9628 i have not watched pose but i don’t think it would be a stretch to say he purposefully didn’t diversify this season because he didn’t want to “copy” Pose. Although he’s copied his own work before so idk 😭
I loved the finale. Those last two episodes hit me like a truck, especially the montage. I just had to sit there in silence for a few minutes once it ended. Whenever AHS lets its characters have genuinely emotional moments I remember why I like the show. Stuff like NYC's ending, Madison crying in the shower after the frat party, Liz Taylor reuiniting with her son, Anna's miscarriage in the hospital, Violet's suicide, and Elsa performing for the last time with her freakshow at the end of that season all really hit me.
The fact that Ryan Murphy was lucky enough to get Ms Broadway Icon Patti LuPone just to give her 4 scenes in a 10 episode season is perhaps one of the greatest sins he has ever committed
I saw some people argue that the lesbians being forgotten about was intentional because it represents how they are so often left out of the conversation. Okay, let's say that's true... what does that achieve exactly? You’re not saying anything meaningful about the thing by just fully doing the thing! That's not a critique of anything; you’re just creating more media with the exact same problem.
Anyway, aside from that and the lack of poc perspective, I do really like this season. Great retrospective and just in time for the season 12 finale.
EXACTLY
Wow that is a good attempt at an excuse as to why there aren’t any gay women in the show. Ridiculous but a good attempt at least. A whole “we meant to do that, we are saying something by saying NOTHING” thing.
I was very pleasantly surprised by NYC. The ending was excellent, and since AHS tends to botch the finale, I have to give this season props.
Yeah NYC was written quite well and I enjoy it.
I just prefer Delicate 10x better. I feel the writing in that season is also great, the characters hit more, the mystery is better and the cinematography, outfits and score all just hit way better. I love the style of Delicate and there is much more gore. The story and the plot twists are sooo good
@@Yousifdiyab I like delicate too, and I know it’s out of their control, but the big gap between parts 1 & 2 of the season is messing with my viewing experience
Even though it’s not the “”best”” season to exist it’s definitely one of the most consistent I think
So, here is my opinion on the season. It is my second favorite season of the series. I like how it incorporates the neo-noir crime/serial killer genre of films from the 1980s and 1990s. Films like Manhunter, The Exorcist 3, The Silence of the Lambs, Copycat, Seven, and Cruising (this season's main inspiration). I also like how gritty this season. It's a contrast to the pop 80s tone of 1984. This 1980s is unapologetically cruel. I also think this is my favorite ending to any season of this show. It shows the unfairness that HIV/AIDS victims go through. There are some things to criticize the show about, but all in all, I enjoy this season.
If this season had the og cast everyone would say (this was the best season)
The cinematography and the story is very interesting and look so much like asylum
A very underrated season
But I can understand why some people don’t like it
Very different from the others because this talk about a real horror story
Like for some storyline on asylum
100% agree
mother fed us this week🙏🏼🙏🏼
I was about to protest that Gino was the only good character, but then you made that caveat. Thank you for dissuading my fears 😂
I was disappointed because Two reasons. Ryan Murphy canceled pose to make a white version of it's was Nyc. To me I was disappointed in the fact that they're were no Poc and he didn't use any black actors and actress even from pose for this script. And I just didn't really like how he used HIV/ AIDS story as a horror element. I think it's more of a tragedy and shouldn't be used as a horror but more of a unfortunate story
i’m gonna slightly disagree with the fact that he used it only for horror. this is 100% presented as a tragedy in the end. the final 3-4 episodes really point the finger at the government and society for ignoring the gay community. the season is still far from perfect. the lack of diversity is so unfortunate and tone deaf, but they definitely don’t shy away from the fact that the AIDS crisis as a whole was a tragedy.
@@cainvarner actually you know what your right I love your videos btw
When it was announced that NYC was going to be about the AIDS crisis I remember I didn't even bother to watch the season for 2 main reasons:
1. Death Valley was just awful and I was basically done with the show after that
2. I saw "Dahmer" and thought that he was just in his torture porn era, so I didn't want to see him tackle real life events and issues (I know Pose exists but that's just a different genre). But after this video I might give it a try.
i’d give give it a shot but it’s definitely not for everyone! the ending is very very gut wrenching imo but some people didn’t. like it
Dahmer is so gross. Not bc of the story or gore but, it’s so gross. Exploitation esp knowing the family of many victims asked Murphy NOT to do the show. And I only saw the first two episodes I couldn’t watch anymore and I love horror but there was something just icky about it, you can tell a true crime story and it be done well but this was just a cash grab that was as gross and weird as possible for clicks.
I really did not enjoy this season but despite that, the finale montage had me sobbing uncontrollably. Even just watching that section of your video made me cry a little
the intro of this vid was pure cinema babes im so excited for the rest of it 😁😁
i remember watching this season for the first time and being pleasantly surprised after the dumpster fire that was double feature (i only dislike one season more than that and it's apocalypse), it felt closer to the what made me like ahs. nyc definitely is not one of my favorite seasons by any means, but in comparison to double feature & delicate, oh this was a breath of fresh air. there's a few MAJOR things that could've been done better, but it was still enjoyable and regained my interest in continuing to watch the series after flops like apocalypse & double feature.
(also the timing of this video is crazy i was just discussing this season yesterday with a friend😭)
i understand why people dislike the season but i rank it in my top 5 or 6
okay maybe i need to rewatch this season because i kept falling asleep
Continually falling asleep is the most honest reaction to AHS I have ever heard.
I loved this season. Especially the ending. The song at the end really stayed with me and had a sad but moving message.
confession I haven’t watched a single ep of ahs yet (planning to) but I LOVE these vids sm
He’s so good at summarizing with style and sass - I haven’t watched many of these seasons (season 1,2,3 and esp 5 are my favorites. Stopped watching after 6.) so it’s nice to know what happened without having to actually watch it bc … it’s … meh so often
I mostly agree with everything, but I love what Isaac Powell is doing in AHS. He brings a sensibility, a fragility to his characters that makes me attached to them, and is my favourite among the recent additions to the cast.
Plus he's hot lol
This is one of my favorite seasons ever and one that I feel people didn't give enough of a chance.
Radioactivity....by Kraftwerk. Classic. And as a reference to an energy/poison that you can't see.
You vouching for more people of color got me feeling all types of happy. I appreciate that. 👏🏽❤❤❤
Ryan Murphy was prob like "I already gave POC and trans ppl a story with Pose, now it's time for us whites to have a story"
Another banger video Cain
this is the first season I’m coming into a video of yours without having some sort of reference for the season so this is gonna be interesting
Once again thank you for your service 😭 i couldn't finish this season after the scene with the deer bc AHS (and most Ryan Murphy shows) have some weird internalized homophobia issues or smth - and I REALLLLY wasn't strong enough when it was airing to hear them talking abt killing these diseased deer for the good of everyone else right next to a plot line that was obviously going to be about AIDS
also I had just revisited Falsettos and the quality drop to AHS regarding AIDS storylines was actually insane 😭 😭
And at first i was disappointed bc im a HUGE fan of Russel Tovey (Patrick) from his performance in Being Human UK, and i was full vibing with Gino tbh
but tbh I'll probably keep putting it off and save myself the genuine frustration
they handled aids very well in the last few episodes in my opinion. like it’s not a AHS Cult situation which felt like a parody of the election. NYC actually takes itself seriously for the most part. It could’ve been way better but it’s ryan murphy it’s never going to be the best. i just thought the last 5 episodes really hit
@@cainvarner Thank you for saying this!!!! This is probably gonna be what changes my mind and convinces me to watch it
I admit i was also recovering from Death Valley and american horror stories season 1 and couldn't bring myself to trust the quality with smth so personally sensitive
I really appreciate all the effort you put into these videos and the effort in your replies too!!! Ive caught myself rewatching episodes just to better understand yours and other comments opinions and this series has really given me an opportunity to revisit AHS and find new things to appreciate :')
just be aware there are still some goofy side plots and random other issues lol
yeah half thw characters are serial killers torturers and perverts it goven half the killing was done by gay men to gay men it had a very strong "they had it coming" vibe sometimes it feels like a conservative wrote it.
Sarah Paulson has played a lesbian (and is a lesbian) twice but she isn’t here
holy shit you’re right it has only been twice- it felt like she always plays the lesbian but she mainly has played hetero roles 😭
She’s gay irl? I had no idea. That Tracks bc she’s gorgeous and I almost always seem to think gay women are hot (except Ana de armas and Ava green … yet … lol)
Great recap, I'm so happy to have found your channel! Now to binge the back catalogue:3
that intro is incredible
it’s getting harder and harder each time to make them haha i’m glad you like it!
i completely forgot that this season existed
Theo and Patrick’s death had me crying irl 🥺
i love your recaps. thank you for dropping so much AHS content!
I really appreciate your insights on this one. I had a friend who contracted HIV in the mid-2010s, but medicine has come such a long way that the impact on the immune system is nearly non-existent.
If you are interested in exploring other creative expressions about this topic, I highly recommend Angels in America if you haven't checked it out. I've only read the play, but I believe RM adapted it as a mini-series some years ago. And for the musical lover, Falsettos is an incredibly moving show with a (legit) recording.
Just starting this, absolutely love your recaps so far. You should use white string if you don’t have markers 😊 it’d add a bit to the vibe too
I hate to say this, but I really didn't like this season. It wasn't the subject matter, I'm glad that it recieved attention (even though this season neglected other important factors).
I think it was a mix of the story and characters. They should have cut down the cast and let the show breathe some more. Andd that frankly, it's American Horror Story. It's so far removed in a lot of ways from what epitomizes AHS, it was jarring.
yeah this cast a is a big problem. if it was 6-8 main characters and an episode or two longer it be a lot better
@@cainvarner I think they were just trying to do too much, and I had such a hard time even remembering how some characters were involved with others.
The perfect video for my 2 hour bus ride home.
Cain delivering quality content as always 💕
Im with you on liking the ending montage of this one, I was happy to see a finale to an AHS season that felt like there was an actual intention and vision carried out until the end and I can respect that greatly. After watching Double Feature and then American Horror Stories I had lost faith that they were trying to write a show through to the ending at all. And I also agree there were a lot of issues with this season's representation as a whole though. The fact that they lampshade the lesbian issues by having the lesbian characters talk about how underrepresented they are, and then continue to underrepresent them in the show baffles me.
love ur videos! keep it up!!! ur doing so good
Was looking forward to this one!
this was probably the only season i’ve never tried watching, i never finished double feature but i at least started it
Do you have an Amazon wishlist so we can just send you markers and poster boards?
omg 😭😭😭 that’s so sweet yall don’t have to do that i only have 1 more season to do of AHS
@@cainvarner yeah, but you're going to keep making videos... At some point you'll need more stuff!
I’m just now watching this season and haven’t finished it yet, but I really like it so far. That era of NYC and gay men is so fascinating to me.
New subscriber here 🙋🏼♀️
I cried hard at the finale. My main complaint for this season though, was that it was too rushed, there were so many interesting characters and subplots and I wanted to know more.
Love your reactions babes
I think that AHS has never been very diverse in representation.. Like there were definitely interesting people and SOME variety, but not a lot..
SO SO EXCITED
the shirt is giving
I'm currently halfway through this season, and it isn't as bad as I was lead to believe. My only problem is it feels more like a true crime drama than horror.
Just 14 min in, but wow that ADR really was jarringly bad! For a second I thought you had gotten someone else to do a voiceover, because that audio was not even close to the show audio.
I don't usually notice stuff like that, so how can they miss it?
Just think… someone got paid big bucks to do the audio and it turned out that bad
I honestly loved this season because it felt like it was going back to the roots of ASH with exaggerated “real life horrors” - I loved the montage scene in particular, was so moving and emotional to me. Truly seemed like a horrific time to be alive for the gay community and they captured that really well.
I have such a soft spot for simple things like that but i understand why people hated it
I just finished watching this season. There’s so much I could say about it. As a gay man I obviously love the queer aspects. But in the fire island episode Sam says “no fatties or fems” and wow did that feel like a statement and not a depiction of a deplorable judgmental jerk. The lack of representation in this season is mind boggling. Forget the bears, trans people, drag queens, people of color, and other branches of the LGBT+ community.
Making the mai tai killer a gay man was not a great choice. The buff rubber man did make for an okay metaphor for aids, except when he inexplicably burned down the gay club. If one of the killers was a hetero homophobe then that would have made more sense for the fire. I mean hate crimes like that we’re not unheard of in those times.
Even though I think there was too much sex, it was a great visual to see how aids spreads so wildly. I liked the ending montage but it did feel lazy. Honestly through in my opinion this season seemed like a lazy excuse to get mostly white older men to make out with younger fit mostly white guys.
As a trans girl, i felt really let down by this season. I was hoping to see someone like me :(
People get shouted down about this, and I’m not at all trying to be rude, but…there weren’t very many actual trans women during this period of time. The rewriting of history by certain people has made them think otherwise, but reality, from many people of varying perspectives I’ve spoken to, was very different.
@@notshylo Maybe not *open* trans women, but we definitely existed at that time. I wish there was, like, one trans lady as a character. There aren't many of us on TV, and I want that to change.
@notshylo funny, I remember when I was growing up how my grandfather would say we shouldn't bother considering gay people because there aren't that many of them and that the media was forcing it on people to have them believe otherwise. Of course he wasn't meeting lots of gay people, so he must have been correct. I guess not much really changes huh.
@notshylo Funny, I remember when I was growing up closeted, my grandfather would talk about how we shouldn't have to bother considering gay people cuz there aren't that many and how the media was forcing it on people to make us believe otherwise. I mean he wasn't meeting lots of (out) gay people, so he must have been correct right? Guess not much really changes huh.
I think that would’ve felt like Ryan Murphy was pulling too much inspiration from his other series Pose, which centers all around trans characters, during the 1980s-90s, during the AIDS crisis in NYC.
This is so interesting! I really didn’t know this season existed. I’m not an American horror story fan I just enjoy your recaps so I’m learning a lot about the fandom and seasons through it. It seems like this season was trying to do a lot to varying degrees of success. A story doesn’t have to tell every perspective but there’s a different between that and complete erasure of marginalized groups which is an act of violence. I can’t think of a piece of specifically white gay or cis gay shows that doesn’t perpetuate misogyny, transphobia, and racism. Just because gay men aren’t attracted to women doesn’t mean there still can’t be loving and deep human connections between communities. (If anyone has any suggestions for media like this I’d love them) I have that in real life with my other queer and gay friends and would love to see representation that matches how lovely queer community is and that doesn’t use anyone femme presenting as butt of a joke or little worth nothing. Even if those spaces are hard to find in real life tv and other forms of media are literally there to help us imagine a see a better future and world.
Anyhow I’m excited to see your video on Delicate. I enjoyed the book a lot but couldn’t stand the show I only got through an episode or two. If you have time I recommend the book!
I loved NYC. The finale really fucked up my head. It was my first time crying while watching AHS
I probably had the thought while watching, but in retrospect, I know 1,000% why I don't like this season is because of how damn WHITE it is, which itself is ahistorical to NYC - and just plain insulting. So kudos to you for fronting that criticism.
But structurally, making the big bad villian ONLY an obvious metaphor for AIDs instead of sticking to the established ethos of AHS of having a classic or innovative reason for the supernatural entity to exist is my main criticism. Once I realized that, it just became how to tear apart the metaphor, cuz the characters were awful or uninteresting and/or mishandled.
And I feel for y'all that liked the last ep, but I was so tuned out it just didn't hit. So yeah, Pose does this topic and cinematography better in everyway. AHS creators need to listen to fan ideas for seasons cuz there's truly some amazing, haunting ones out there.
ugh I knew I wasn't crazy... the song in the last like 10 minutes or whatever really captured the scene for me... had to sit in silence for a bit. I converted the lyrics and it really does coincide with the AIDS, and the fact that gay men could get it at any point. this season really just spoke to me on a different level in a way. maybe because I'm a gay man LMAOO but like for real, although it had its lacks, this season was super good. The symbolism of AIDS with the "Big Daddy" and the Jeffery Dahmer story knock-off like.... not my favorite but def top 5 for me
its so misunderstood but i grew up in nyc .. and around gay men and saw in real time my aunt lose her friends due to the lack of care from the heath industry and the govt
I actually really really enjoyed AHS NYC it was a great season, usually AHS fizzles out later in the season but every episode had me captivated
Hell yeaaaah new video🎉🎉🎉
Oh it’s like the addiction demon honestly Theo’s death is really sad.
This is like the cis white male, more graphic version of pose tbh, I mean it’s a decent season, but y’all know I’m right
there were so many white men in this season that I legit thought it was criticism
miss denis o’hare is being miscast for years and he’s maybe the most talented (next to kathy bates and miss jessica) actor they have in this series. and you would not know this based on this show??
I liked AHS nyc actually. I was one of the defenders of this season when the episodes were airing. I just feel after ep 7 it all was just about the aids epidemic and for a horror show that usually deals with monsters, ghosts, vampires, witches etc this didn’t feel like AHS and is why I’d put this lower on my list. There’s a lot of pros about this season definitely but I am way happier with the latest season Delicate. Absolutely in love with it. My fav szn in a long time and if the finale ends up being great enough then Delicate could likely either in my top 3 or my fav season of AHS ever.
i have the opposite opinion of delicate lol
I hear nothing but negative things about delicate. And I swear I saw a still and Kim k was in it?? Eeehhhh. That makes me raise an eyebrow. I just wish they’d bring back Jessica Lange.
She. Was. The. Best.
@@HeatherHolt Kim is actually a really good actress. At first the reviews were half negative half positive but more leaning to positive. Now, it’s mostly just negative due to the finale. I love the finale but it’s not for everyone. That doesn’t change my opinion. I say, watch the season and don’t let my opinion or anybody else’s effect yours. I agree Jessica Lange was great but those days with her in AHS are over.
This was a great season and focused on a specific subset of a community. This was to play off of the 80’s and gives you another perspective. All of your people of color, and their perspective was in Pose. This season was the other side of the coin. I personally loved this season with the let down of 1984 and a few other seasons.
but why does it need to be segregated? why can’t we just tell an accurate story and give people the opportunity to learn about what it was actually like? black and indigenous communities were disproportionately affected and not often times were not treated as much as white people were. AND it’s still an issue today. Completely ignoring that feels wrong to me.
I definitely get where you’re coming from but the 80’s were a different time. The 80’s were a very socially segregated time still. I believe this was a mostly accurate portrayal of that time. Looking at the times I know black people were very conservative when it came to sex and sexuality, and I believe that they already had a lot to deal with inside the black community. I think the presence of people of color in this subset in the 80’s was very scarce. Now if we were talking about 2010’s to present day then we would really see inclusivity in the subsets without inhibitions.
I binged most of your Ahs recaps so now I have to go back and comment on them lmao.
I feel like this season fell short for me because it wanted to be a supernatural horror show AND Pose for White gay men (they even copied the partner expiring via bdsm storyline). The lack of POC, trans, and lesbian characters in the MELTING POT AND BIRTHPLACE OF BALLROOM CULTURE was flagrantly disrespectful and that scene where they acknowledged it showed that Ryan don't give af (he also made Dahmer despite the victims' families and Black queers' protests). While Pose focused on Black trans women, they also had scenes showing how every member of the LGBT community fought against the Aids crisis.
I didn't connect with many characters outside of Gino because I felt like they were terrible people lmao but the actors ate DOWN!!! EVERY scene was filled with actors aiming for an Emmy imo. I loved loved LOVED the ending as it was done with so much love and care and I think it perfectly nailed what they wanted the season to represent despite some wackiness.
I loved what Big Daddy represented but I feel that his methods goes back to my first statement because why is the personification of Aids throwing molotovs, hacking heads and graping?! If he was more Angel of Death coded and took them via adult fun time? That would've ATE!!!
Lastly what tf is up with Frankengay? How and why did they decide to become a protector of the girlies???
I really enjoyed this season and I’d dare say it was the best one ever. The thing is, there are many nuances and details in each scene, things that might just fly over your head if you don’t know their meanings or if you don’t make the right connections. For instance, the deers are a representation of gay people. In the beginning of the HIV crisis, when it was called GRID, there were talks of actually isolating gay people on an island and letting them to rot. Plus, the juxtaposition of Theo and that guy in the bathouse with the scenes of the deers being shot while Calling You was playing didn’t make much sense at first, but then when we see Patrick’s death we understand that that was the calling of the death angel.
apart from some weird shit with AIDS-man I mostly really enjoyed this one. It was a nice surprise actually liking one of the later seasons lol.
great vid, as always !
this season is about the horrors of the AIDS epidemic why would they get rid of “the weird AIDS” shit
@@cainvarner I mean things like aids putting fire to a building as you mentioned
“Ryan Murphy just constantly lets everybody down”
That’s literally all you needed to say. He should have been kicked upstairs a decade ago and left creative choices to someone else.
This season ending made me depressed and motivated me to quit smoking😭
NYC as a place scares me so much. Idk why, it's just... so many people
Anxiety go BRRR
As an autistic persin with sensory issues i think I would simply die
@@luthientinuviel3883plz don’t die ❤ imagine China, there are so many people cramped together and they’re so used to it they prefer it. My calculus professor is from China and she said the whole stuck in a crowd sensation is something they actually appreciate. I’d lose my mind I’m too claustrophobic.
I’m here I’m late I’m here I’m late
I’m ready tho…(fixes hair, fixes bodice, fixes skirt, applies lip gloss)
Ok babes. LETS FKN GOOOOO ❤❤
Clocked in🙌🏾🙂↕️
NYC is my least favorite season. I really appreciate it tackles a very real horror of AIDS and homophobia, which are such important topics to talk about, but that is just not enough to make something good. This season was just a chore to get through, and decent performances from some actors were the only thing that made it bearable.
interesting take. i personally love NYC. Only issues for me are the lack of representation and some of the early episodes feel really fast paced
@@cainvarner I totally forgot about the cinematic montage in the last episode tho. I thought it was touching and quite beautiful.
I tried to get into this season and I just couldn't. The first few episodes just couldn't hold my interest enough to hook me.
The only positive about AHS:NYC is that it makes Double Features less awful by comparaison
well no
I stopped watching ahs at hotel but let me tell u I have watched every one of your videos to know what happened
This show doesn’t feel like AHS but in a good way? They tried something a lot more serious and grounded and while it’s not my favorite I enjoyed it, I like how it touched on issues that real people faced but yeah no POC really
this season was such a let down. at this point delicate gave us more than NYC… and thats saying something
i respectfully disagree, Delicate was a mess. NYC did such a good job in tackling its issues. In Delicate, i’m not even really sure what it’s trying to say
@@cainvarner I agree!! NYC is better than delicate to me. Shìt if we exclude that terrible last episode of red tide I’d even say that shit is better 🤣. As far as story telling. It’s so much then so much of nothing happening in delicate. Is the dead raccoon she coddles like a baby still in the bassinet?! Like wtf
Nyc is definitely better LMAO
Yeah this is the only season I did not watch. The purpose of its existence was lost on me
I liked this season, it was ok and not my fave by any means, but for me it felt really disconnected from AHS. It felt like part of a completely different show that was revised to add to AHS. It felt like there was a lot of missed potential and rushed. The last few episodes were devastating. I’m not usually the type to cry at movies or shows, but I was a teary mess for the last few episodes. At least the actors did their jobs and had me emotionally invested
I 100% agree with this. It was a fine season with a solid story and an emotional ending but felt totally disconnected from AHS. Delicate on the other hand is chefs kiss!! (Imo)
When the season was first coming out, it was disappointing to learn how they were trying to side step the writer’s/actor’s strike, but it’s turned out great. After a few underwhelming or out of place seasons, this one seems like regular AHS again
Interesting. Delicate is the first of the 2020’s seasons i have not liked as much(minus Death Valley).
I’m with you about Death Valley lol. I don’t think this current season is amazing or anything, but it’s interesting enough and I like that they’ve kind of gone back to the beginning in terms of supernatural plot lines, like witches and magic and all of that. They get points off for using a newer book for their major plot lines and characters, though. I’m sure it’s not exactly like the book, but it’s mostly the same I’ve heard
10:44 on the subject of dahmer as a show. I love Evan peters and I’m all for true crime shows, even the goriest of horror, but there was something so off putting about that show I didn’t even finish the first ep. I usually have a 3ep rule of no judgement but I just couldn’t. I dont know if that’s a sign that the show did what it set out to do or if it was utterly disrespectful and went too far, either way it turned me away.
I'm so early omg
I never understood what happened to Barbara
she died of AIDS
Gino was the lead. Patrick/ears became interesting. Hannah wasn't believable but Whitely was effective. Photographer wasn't as effective as his finale wanted him to be. Zach Quinto got too much of a finale...maybe if those two were merged. Some things were glossed over and rushed. Some things were treated with more weight than deserved. The early dismissal of Whitely revealed HIV was the real horror/villain. Nice. Ex wife? No. Poor women, Lesbians, people of color, trans in NYC (which would have made it all more interesting).
I think having a big twist being 'freaky gay sex gone wrong' is particularly tasteless when that was a major excuse cops used to not look into killings targeting gay men
they were portraying that. it would’ve been historically inaccurate if they’d made the cops more sympathetic in my opinion
@@cainvarner oh I meant that actually being one of the killings in the body episode. I haven't seen the season so I don't really know how it's portrayed! But if they covered that in the season elsewhere that's good
Edit bc I have more thoughts: I definitely think its distasteful to present a common reason cops used to further demonise and dismiss gay people as a reality in a tv show about this topic. Its giving demonising the kink/bdsm scene as a whole when that was a really important and significant part of gay history (I think making the representation of aids a leather daddy also gives this a bit) and it all makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. But like I say I haven't seen the season itself but my point was absolutely not that cops should have gotten a more sympathetic edit because that was not my intention at all
@ 9:50 whitley is based off of jefferey dahmer, the Last Call Killer, and h.h. holmes. sooo not so much the idea that queer characters are evil. just Mr.Whitely being based off of serial attacks on young queer poc. js.
i’m still tired of them using that trope. dahmer came out the same year as this why do we need two harmful depictions of gay people in one year
It's still way too much. If you actually look at Ryan Murphys discography, especially like Cain said with that abominable Dahmer show coming out at the same time, Ryan Murphy has a really twisted obsession with serial killers and it shows in shows like this. AHS has already had MULTIPLE gay serial killers. I mean in the very first season, the background we get for the rubber man is that the costume was the result of a gay couple getting freaky and while obviously that doesn't make them responsible for it, the need to tie in a big part of that antagonist back to a gay couple and gay fetish wear is a really interesting choice when again you look at the trend that followed it. Hell, in Freak Show (which is my favorite season so thats how you know im being critical bc i love it), the first thing Dandy does when he decides he's going to become a serial killer is go to a gay bar and pick up a poor sex worker just to murder him. And let's not forget how Dell was a pos that season only for them to give him a toxic gay storyline. Like Cain said in the video this show is made for queer people and there's lots of good in it but especially in later seasons there is a very scary trend of obsessive focus on serial killers and gay serial killers and its ignorant to pretend Ryan Murphy does not regularly feed into some destructive narratives about gay men in particular. Like why do we need ANOTHER gay serial killer in a story. People act like it's this super common thing but the handful of gay serial killers in history are nothing compared to the plethora of straight serial killers and yet people don't wanna focus on that lmao
he honestly has some sick twisted murder fantasy i think
I never even finished this season or the newest ones cuz they don’t hit the same and are boring imo
I hate this season but I have a reason why I hate this season and it’s literally just a me issue as to why I hate it
So in the uk we had a mini series air called it’s a sin which is also about the aids epidemic in the uk which sort of lifted up and educated people on the epidemic
Then this came out next year and it felts like it was doing the total opposite and sometimes painted the gays as the bad guys which I didn’t like
I know these shows are in no way connected but in my brain one does it better
I don’t get how you went to the store to buy a black poster board but couldn’t get a silver sharpie, tsk tsk.
what’s your point? i was in a rush because i only had a limited time to grab what i did at the store and i wasn’t thinking about what color marker i needed. it’s just a marker…
That was a sexy ass intro😎♥️
I… do not trust Ryan Murphy to handle the AIDS epidemic especially in a horror context. I haven’t seen a season of AHS in years and I’m not gonna watch this one
it’s surprisingly done well by the end. there are some issues with the horror elements but i think they did a good job when all was said and done.
I honestly didn’t feel the lack of diversity because AIDS was said to mostly affect gay White men during this time… if they would have had a bunch of gay Black men running around being murdered by Big Daddy I would have been disappointed. Diversity is important but wasn’t necessary to tell this story. Best season hands down.
saying the AIDS epidemic effect white gay men more than black and indigenous men is wrong because white gay men took priority in hospitals and homeless shelters and STILL to this day do. the LGBT community would also be absolutely nowhere without black trans women so completely ignoring them in a season that HEAVILY focuses on LGBT communities is…a choice for sure.