Dean Park Station Video 94 - October 2016 Update 2

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  • @grayman999
    @grayman999 Před 7 lety +3

    David the wall looked good but when you took it away I think it was a cleaner more prototypical look , your running my favourite era and the layout is a credit to your craftsmanship and patience it's wonderful to watch it operate I always look forward to your updates thanks for sharing .

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety +1

      Hi, yeah I do like the walls, but also understand the cases in real life where there are none....I will model both and see which looks best. Cheers. Dave

  • @MMRails
    @MMRails Před 7 lety +1

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, your layout and track plan are very impressive. Just love it. -Mark

  • @russellbenton2987
    @russellbenton2987 Před 7 lety

    Love your trains operating at speed!

  • @PureWhitePictures
    @PureWhitePictures Před 7 lety

    Nearly caught up and watched all your videos, layout looks amazing, love the detail and effort that you maintain throughout the whole of the layout.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety +1

      cheers. Thanks for watching them....you've clearly got stamina lol. Dave

  • @giulius7176
    @giulius7176 Před 7 lety

    I think it looks much better WITH the parapet wall added...just the first section next to the bridge then maybe a railing for safety but still able too see your trains. Love visiting your layout and looking forward to the next one!

  • @iamjames8722
    @iamjames8722 Před 7 lety

    Hi Dave thanks for the update, always enjoy seeing your progress. I would suggest a simple wire fence along the top of the retaining wall. Simple concrete posts and wire strings. You could rust the wire and have weeds over it and some broken lengths. Might add some variation to brake up the scene. Cheers, James

  • @simonjohn8904
    @simonjohn8904 Před 7 lety

    Great video update Dave.
    As for the bridge walls, my vote goes to having the parapet walls for the 3 sections after the bridge so that you have that extra height until you start to bring the walls further out. It did look better in the video when you placed them on the layout. I think this would have been more prototypical even before the health and safety police arrived in force.
    There is a high wall made from brick like this in Rochester and they have the extra height of brick work fitted to the walls as the line comes off Rochester Bridge.
    Brilliant mock up of the bridge with the grey board by the way. That brick work effect does look good so I think you should carry on using that process. Enjoyed the running session too. Well done.

  • @robmasterman
    @robmasterman Před 7 lety

    It just gets better and better Dave, my own personal preference in terms if the Wall options is to use just the stone cappings, as it gives a better overall view of passing trains. The incline section gives some incredible additional operational options as well....Stunning work as always...Regards...Bob

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      Hi Bob, I see what you're saying about the walls. The parapet walling will only ever cover the first 3 sections of walling, so it wont obstruct the view of the HST thundering past too much ;-) I will model both and make a decision. Thanks for getting in touch, always a pleasure to read your thoughts. Dave

  • @RailwayModellerBen
    @RailwayModellerBen Před 7 lety

    Another great update Dave :-D

  • @johnlyall1008
    @johnlyall1008 Před 7 lety +1

    Dave, the first few panels (you have suggested three) are close enough to the running lines (in 1:1 scale) that some form of "ballast retention" will be required. If you look at the retention walls in Dean Park station they all have a small parapet and that coupled with the ballast retention issue would suggest the small parapet (normally 4ft in full scale) would look the part.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      I see what you're saying. I think the parapet walls will be included. Dave

  • @davegower6919
    @davegower6919 Před 7 lety

    Thanks Dave a great way of starting a Sunday morning. I think going with the parapet walls would be better. Certainly for some of it coming away from the bridge and then go for a fence type barrier as you go down the incline. Keep up the excellent work.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      Hi....yes I think the parapets then as the embankment part kicks in the retaining wall will just have capping and not parapet wall. Dave

  • @ScottishNSRailFan
    @ScottishNSRailFan Před 7 lety

    Great job once again

  • @samwhmas7820
    @samwhmas7820 Před 7 lety +1

    In my opinion it looks 100% better with the parerpit wall in place

  • @canalsidingsmodelrailway3411

    Great update Dave. I think the walls are required and that they would be there for safety reasons. Imagine night time track maintenance without them! I have not seen any prototype examples without the walls so, unless someone can find a protoyype without them. they must stay.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      ok, I see your point. Its a good one! thanks.

  • @ScottDowneywoundedbear

    I would go with one of the walls. Great progress on the layout.
    Scott

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      what do you mean one? you mean have a parapet wall on just the first section of retaining wall?

    • @ScottDowneywoundedbear
      @ScottDowneywoundedbear Před 7 lety

      One parapet next to the bridge.

  • @ASM-AmateurScaleModelling

    Dave, another option for getting mortar is to use ready made filler.... paint it brick red, once dry, dip a finger in the filler and smear it all over the brick, not lots just a thin coat. As it is almost dry gently wipe it off. It will leave the filler in the groves and also gives the brick a sort of powdered look. Looks very effective as it removes any sort of shine.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      mmm, good idea also. I'm learning that there is clearly more than one way to skin the cat! lol.

  • @andybyrne50
    @andybyrne50 Před 7 lety

    Hi Dave,parapet wall would be my preference. The layout looks good as always,I enjoyed your hornby debut.
    Andy

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      Hi Andy, I agree about the walling. Thanks for the feedback on my article. It was good to see the layout in print. Dave

  • @peterjonhuddleston
    @peterjonhuddleston Před 7 lety

    Daves have you considered using polystyrene to create your embankments / slopes, it is easily cut and shaped with a hot wire, then once glued in place it is easily covered with plaster/filler material to create rock effect also grassed etc. Great presentation as always.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      Hi, yeah, its just the little balls construction that has put me off so far. I have bits and pieces of it lying around....not ruled it out. I suppose what ever you use it can be messy! Cheers. Dave

  • @sparky107107
    @sparky107107 Před 7 lety

    looks much better with that piece removed, but also would need to be about 2 to 3 mm higher then, just to hold back ballast and such , and see the track, painting the mortar into the bricks I a great detail to add, I did that on my round house, not a over whelming effect but can sure tell it is done, 100% better look, nice update, and fun little running session, thanks for sharing

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      hi, I see your point about the ballast. I think I will go for 3 parapets and then drop the wall down and just have capping with the grassy verge/embankment section. Cheers.Dave

  • @trainsontuesday
    @trainsontuesday Před 7 lety +1

    Put the parapet walls on Dave. You probably don't need them at at the bottom of the embankment but it looks in complete where level ground meet vertical wall without them. I really noticed the limitation you've had to work with having the roof trusses along the front of the layout. I wonder if painting them matt black would help visually? Just a thought. David.

  • @MichaelHenfrey
    @MichaelHenfrey Před 7 lety

    Nice progress Dave, I can't really help with the decision about those walls as I am rubbish at decision making :P I am sure whichever you go for will look great though.
    Cheers, Michael

  • @davidclark3473
    @davidclark3473 Před 7 lety +1

    Parapet walls for sure! "Health & Safety" issue - can't have permanent way workers potentially falling off onto the line below!

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety +1

      got ya! I agree. They will be included. ;-) Cheers. Dave

  • @kirbyparkwest4392
    @kirbyparkwest4392 Před 7 lety +2

    Great video Dave, like the 47 when it comes out from under the steel road bridge, great realistic shot. As for the wall, I think parapit on the first few walls. Going off topic, have you re-wheeled your Lima mk3 Scotrail coaches. Cheers James.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety +1

      Hi thanks for the comment. Parapet walls are now being made to be fitted! ;-) I've not re-wheeled the Mk3's no. They run well on their original metal wheels. The Hornby MK3 wheels must have a bigger flange as when they go over diamond crossing then it momentarily shorts out (talking about the occasional milli second) as the flange or wheel width must bridge the insulated plastic part on the diamond. Its a peco design fault more than anything! I've fixed it with a sliver of plasticard.

    • @kirbyparkwest4392
      @kirbyparkwest4392 Před 7 lety +2

      Thanks for that Dave. I know some of the old Lima metal wheels can be like cookie cutters and Peter's Spares offer a replacement wheelset. Think maybe it only effects running on code 75 track. Cheers

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      Kirby Park West Hi, I would image they would cause issues with the finer profile of the 75 track. Dave

  • @cedarcam
    @cedarcam Před 7 lety

    I think a stepped down parapet wall would work well. So when it gets to the grass bank area it s at ground level Great filming at the end with the low level shots Very realistic

  • @susbsq1784
    @susbsq1784 Před 7 lety

    The parapet wall for two sections as you showed looks much better. Would love to see a diagram of your layout alongside so that we can see where the work you're doing is happening relative to everything else.

  • @jamese200
    @jamese200 Před 7 lety +1

    Just a thought but if you were only going to do a small section of the wall you could have the wall as if it continued but over time parts wore away and parts fell down. Would look quite cool i think. James.

  • @TTT-pc5zt
    @TTT-pc5zt Před 7 lety

    Personally I think it looks nicer without the parapet walls before the bridge but I also think in terms of realism the parapet walls would have to be there so I will go with that. Liking forward to seeing how it turns out.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      hi, edging towards that conclusion myself. Thanks. Dave

  • @GBPuploads
    @GBPuploads Před 7 lety

    Sorry that was a bit abrupt! No wall after bridge. Layout is looking good with plenty of running variety.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      hi...thanks for your opinion. Getting a mix of responses. I will model both in brick and decide then. Dave

  • @kingswoodjunction897
    @kingswoodjunction897 Před 7 lety

    First I've heard of this Powerbase thing! Could be useful on my branch line but I won't know until it's finished!

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety +1

      Yeah I have heard good things about it....fitting magnets to the underside of your locos is the downside, but if needed its under my inclines for the future.

  • @AndyHudson-ModelRailwayBuilds

    Think you need a wall of some sort Dave, either a brick wall or a security fence of some sort, but looks great, the inclines are working well Andy

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety +1

      cheers Andy, yes I agree....the parapet wall will extend along the first 3 walls and then the wall will drop down. cheers. Dave

  • @skippyab4203
    @skippyab4203 Před 7 lety

    I'd use the walls, it looks more complete
    Great video, as we have come to expect, keep up the good work.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety +1

      hi, thanks for the feedback. glad you are still enjoying my videos. Dave

  • @ericsainte290
    @ericsainte290 Před 7 lety

    Definitely would advise to go with the parapet wall. That would be not only more realistic, but also better esthetically.

  • @daviemaclean61
    @daviemaclean61 Před 7 lety

    The ultimate choice is yours, but, if the brick work is to be of the same style as the station area I think the parapet would be in keeping with that. However, where the height of the wall drops a nice (if that's the correct word!) bit of overgrown urban embankment.The majority of the line through the area l live in is on an embankment and unkempt is putting it kindly! Not neat and tidy but interesting to model. All the lower, ie climbable/accessible, sections are topped with a variety of railings in a variety of states of repair. Whatever you decide I'm sure it will be well modelled and look good. Another great update

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      Hi Davie. Think I will be going with parapet walls for the first 3 of the walls, as shown in the video, then dropping the height of the wall and putting in a small grassy slope, with no parapets. Then I may add railings etc. with bushes, weeds etc, overgrown. Hope that makes sense? Cheers. Dave

    • @daviemaclean61
      @daviemaclean61 Před 7 lety

      DaveClass47 Perfect!

  • @kenr86
    @kenr86 Před 7 lety

    I'm casting my mind back to similar places I saw in the Sydney suburban rail network; I would go with a parapet wall, but maybe 2/3's as high as what you demoed; maybe 2 or 3 scale feet above "track base" level. That gives ample opportunity for you to model all the trash and guff that would collect between the track and the inside of the wall. Just my opinion though; I have no concept of what might have been standard practice in the UK.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      Hi, thanks for that comment. Will keep thinking it over. Dave

  • @WDG13031
    @WDG13031 Před 7 lety

    Would love to see a nice diagramatic representation of your layout!

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      hi....I have one for the station side....will look to cover that in future updates.

  • @crazynitwit1209
    @crazynitwit1209 Před 7 lety

    the parapet walls look good and it would probably be more prototypical

  • @RobWool
    @RobWool Před 7 lety

    I really liked the parapets, but when you took them away I was pleasantly surprised how much better it looked. Not to add to the difficult decision you have to make, but would it be proper to slope the parapet from its current hight to about a fourth of its hight at the end of one section? Just a thought. I really like what you have done with the brick work as well.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      hi...I am looking at all possibilities lol. Thanks for your input though, much appreciated.

  • @thomasbrigham6321
    @thomasbrigham6321 Před 7 lety +1

    In my opinion I would not use the brick because it dose not match well with the stone walls in the station

  • @WesternCenturion
    @WesternCenturion Před 7 lety

    That's a bit of a dilemma Dave, either way the bridge and retaining walls look fabulous but what do you settle with, mmmm, bit early to be putting my mind under such duress, but for me, I think parapet along the buttress and railings along the retaining walls till they drop down. Just feels like that in built up areas they would have had parapets and then railings where as in the country side there would have been no need for them, just your usual wooden fencing.
    Plus with the railings leading to the parapet you'll still have a good view of the track and wheels for those cool video points.
    Right, that's me exhausted already, time for another coffee, happy Sunday Dave.
    Mark.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      Hi mark. Think I understand....so you're saying go with the parapet walls on the 3 sections of wall, then as it drops down have a fence? Thanks for your 'post'....no pun intended! lol. Dave

    • @WesternCenturion
      @WesternCenturion Před 7 lety

      DaveClass47 Lol, pun perfectly implemented Dave. I've had my coffee now and lunchtime beer , so I should make more sense.
      I was thinking parapet on the first wall from the bridge and iron fencing on the other two walls, maybe the fencing inset track side of the coping stone tops, or would they have been imbedded into the coping stones?? Perfect roast food for thought on a Sunday :0)
      I have Novembers addition of Hornby Magazine, now I wonder what delights I'll see when I open it :0)

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      Western Centurion Hi, I see what you're saying now. lol
      I've heard there's a nice Scottish based layout in Novembers edition!?! ;-0

  • @Cliffjumper24
    @Cliffjumper24 Před 7 lety

    Parapet walls have two advantages...
    1: Keep track crews safe from falling
    2: Stops ballast falling off.
    Personally, I think a parapet wall is better.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      hi Cliff, cheers, you're views are valued as always.RE our chat....I do not have a microphone. I did have a webcam/microphone but it no longer works with windows 10....I therefore wonder how we can get around this? Any Suggestions welcome? we'll get this chat eventually lol. Dave

    • @Cliffjumper24
      @Cliffjumper24 Před 7 lety

      DaveClass47
      1: You talk, I type?
      2: We speak on the phone while I screenshare on the hangout (screensharing is important)
      3: You buy a cheap microphone?
      Any of the above will do.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety +1

      i'll look into option 3 ;-0

  • @trainmanbob
    @trainmanbob Před 7 lety

    Parapet walls for me Dave...looks far more realistic. You could of course consider option...metal fencing. That might give you the best of both worlds. Great vid as always. Cheers, Bob

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      Hi Bob...tried metal fencing....looks a bit too ornate for me. I think you're right about the walls being there though....I am 60/40 in favour of that option, then as the height drops and the embankment comes in there will be no parapet walls, until the wall rises again to the next bridge. If that makes sense?! Dave

  • @r-witty6562
    @r-witty6562 Před 7 lety

    Hi Dave, in answer to your question, I think it looks better with the parapet wall. I think this has a more prototypical feel as you watch the trains pass over the tunnel entrance, since you probably wouldn't have the top of the wall be at track level. There might be real life instances of this occurring, but I think out of safety interests, most real-life situations would have a parapet. I also like the look of your brickwork, I think that will look pretty smart when the retaining wall is complete.
    By the way, I saw a great example of an Intercity Swallow livery class 43 twin pack on EBay recently. It was in mint condition. I wanted it but I'm a bit skint right now so let it go. If I see another one would you like me to let you know, and if so where should I send the link?
    Cheers, Richard

  • @howarth004
    @howarth004 Před 7 lety

    Think as you showed the wall would be OK ...what are the power base plates ?....Dave

    • @vwgolfer1873
      @vwgolfer1873 Před 7 lety

      It improves the pickup for the engines going up grades. DCC Concepts make them

    • @howarth004
      @howarth004 Před 7 lety

      Thanks for that ...worth trying ..dave

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      hi. the power base plates are a DCC Concepts product. The small magnet would be fitted to the underside of the loco and would give the train more traction, to avoid wheel spin. Search for it on youtube. The plates are made from extremely thin metal plates.

    • @howarth004
      @howarth004 Před 7 lety

      A good idea ...dave

  • @dwwojcik
    @dwwojcik Před 7 lety

    I prefer the retaining wall without the parapet, simply because it hides the wheels and track from a realistic viewing angle. It would be cooler if they were visible. Realistically there should be something there though, a fence of some kind perhaps?

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      hi, I agree, its all about getting something that looks right. The wheels will still be visible for 90% of that section....even with the 3 parapet walls in place.

  • @nigelweir3852
    @nigelweir3852 Před 7 lety

    Your mock up is it to scale and when the train goes up to 88miles an hour will it go back to the future

  • @Cheadleridgelanetmd
    @Cheadleridgelanetmd Před 7 lety +7

    Definitely go with the parapet walls far more realistic no way would br not have a wall!

  • @garylong7599
    @garylong7599 Před 7 lety

    Dave i would suggest the parapet walls would look more prototypical you would need to provide some barrier to protect any track workers it would not make sense to provide a railing when the brickwork could be extended to create the parapet

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      Hi, I hear what you're saying. lol I agree. I think I will go with the parapets. Thanks for your perspective on it. Cheers. Dave

  • @mjsdecember1990
    @mjsdecember1990 Před 7 lety +1

    Have you thought of a small fence

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety +1

      yes....all options are still in my head lol.

  • @Castlebridge-00
    @Castlebridge-00 Před 7 lety

    Standee? Hi Dave, I wanted to say, do you stand up when doing a running session. I thought of "stander upper", then CZcams suggested Standee, so I thought , why not. Standing or sitting, it is still a magnificent layout. Barry. Devon.

  • @aidenrichards2128
    @aidenrichards2128 Před 7 lety

    Layout looks great, ever thought doing a drivers view video

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety +1

      I want a 'cam truck'....so I can do a track level tour of the layout. I am saving up for one....its like £100!! lol Dave

    • @aidenrichards2128
      @aidenrichards2128 Před 7 lety +1

      DaveClass47 fair enough, can't wait to see it

  • @FarlandHowe
    @FarlandHowe Před 7 lety

    Personally, I like the less obstructed view.

  • @MrVinnyh
    @MrVinnyh Před 7 lety

    I prefer with the parapet walls Dave, how about stepping them down in height as you move away from the bridge.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      Hi Vince, thanks for your opinion. I cant really step them down, I wanted to, but they are still too close to the upper section to give it the right look.....I will have a look again to see. Cheers. Dave

  • @jenniferwhite6089
    @jenniferwhite6089 Před 7 lety

    its does look awesome watch video or have you did any thing with the wall and did you show how you did it

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      what wall? the new brick one? kind of covered that in my last 2-3 updates. but I will be doing a "painting brickwork how to video" at some stage soon. Cheers. Dave

  • @csxrensville5105
    @csxrensville5105 Před 7 lety

    Wall, it looks more complete.

  • @neilharbott8394
    @neilharbott8394 Před 7 lety

    Health and safety probably requires some form of protection from falling - though I wonder if you're really stuck with brick? Maybe a post and wire, or even a wooden fence may work? Or maybe railings - you could have something ornate between brick posts.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      Hi....I thought about fencing, but when I put it up it looked a bit out of place. Will look at it again before deciding. Cheers. Dave

    • @neilharbott8394
      @neilharbott8394 Před 7 lety

      i.ytimg.com/vi/GHN9oNL51ho/maxresdefault.jpg
      How about something like that - or is it too modern?

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      Neil Harbott Hi, I was thinking about that type of railing at points along the embankment. Thanks for the link. Dave

  • @jackcrookes2002
    @jackcrookes2002 Před 7 lety

    I think the parapet walls look better. I think it gives more.. character and it looks more realistic. :)

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      I am coming to that conclusion also. thanks. Dave

  • @JAMESDEMU-RailwayModeller

    all looking good (as always). I'd put the parapet top on your walls mate, looks much more realistic.

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety +1

      yup, going towards that option. Dave

  • @Castlebridge-00
    @Castlebridge-00 Před 7 lety

    With parapet looks more comfortable, but depending on the height you are when doing a running session you may get a better view without the parapet. Are you a standee or sitter?Barry. Devon.

  • @ThePhosphater
    @ThePhosphater Před 7 lety

    I prefer it with the Wall David

  • @eddiemunden7980
    @eddiemunden7980 Před 7 lety

    Parapet walls I think!

  • @samstrainchannel611
    @samstrainchannel611 Před 6 lety

    are you austrailan

  • @GBPuploads
    @GBPuploads Před 7 lety

    No wall

  • @davidbeckett3313
    @davidbeckett3313 Před 7 lety

    The A P T sounds awful , like the machine we use for sucking up water at work , nice layout though

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety

      Hi, thanks. The sounds were apparently taken from real recording of the loco.

  • @ehem4282
    @ehem4282 Před 7 lety

    really good as per always, what are the likes disabled?

    • @DeanPark
      @DeanPark  Před 7 lety +1

      Hi, thanks. No disabled, but just hidden...as I had a group of trolls who were disliking en mass. so I took them away.

  • @grahamhearn19
    @grahamhearn19 Před 7 lety

    I'd definitely keep the parapet. looks better and more realistic

  • @robertsjunction4753
    @robertsjunction4753 Před 7 lety

    keep the wall it looks better with it