Every Bad Legendary Pokemon
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0:00 Introduction
0:38 Cinderace
3:11 Genesect
4:22 Kyurem
5:34 Kyurem-Black
6:20 Kyurem-White
7:24 Lugia
8:07 Naganadel
8:46 Necrozma-Dawn Wings
9:27 Spectrier
10:15 Zamazenta - Hry
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I'm surprised Reshiram wasn't included in this video, Freezai
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@@themightykv-5410 I think it's because reshiram was actually pretty good at rhe start of sword and shield
It’s unfortunate, since due to their status as being ‘unviable ubers’, most of these Pokémon see little/no play at all since they’re banned from everywhere else.
You think UUBL is bad?? Try being stuck in OUBL lol
@@XtheGAMEmaster that's just how it ends up being sometimes; there will inevitably be Pokémon that get caught in the limbo of "being outclassed by higher tier Pokémon and drop to lower tiers" and "being too OP for said lower tier"
@@XtheGAMEmaster I was just thinking they should make a tier like that tbh, and stuff that is STILL bad there could be submitted for testing in OU if the people wnt it
That's just the case for most BL mons
Idk why there isn't a OUBL or something rather than just calling them Ubers
Something to note is that Zamazenta-Crowned, despite at one point being considered bad enough to potentially be OU worthy, is actually pretty solid in the current Ubers meta.
Thanks to how its item works, it resists Knock Off and is immune to Trick, which combined with its bulk, makes a reliable switch to Calyrex-S without much drawback, which it can heal later on the face of the vast majority of Necrozma-DM and Yveltal sets. This also makes it one of the only actual answers to offensive Yveltal. It is also a Steel-type that doesn't lose 1v1 to Ferrothorn. The rise of Weavile and the continued presence of other powerful ice types like Darm-G and Calyrex-I also helps it out considerably, especially since unlike gen 7, Magearna is almost entirely unviable in the tier.
It recently rose to B- tier because of all these reasons. Not a superstar due to it not hitting hard enough, but it has a solid place, which cannot be said about a lot of the other Ubers currently (like the ones in this video).
@Mateo Dawson N it's zamzenta hero not crowned
It actually makes me kinda happy to see Zamazenta-C get some usage in ubers, especially as a bal-hackmons player, where zamazenta has been the face of the meta for quite some time, where it primarly uses an anchor shot set to lock in and 1v1 opponents by out walling them with ice scales, and seeing it fulfill its walling dreams in ubers is amazing, and kinda plays to the underdog story.
Zama C is not a switchin to Caly S lol
@@copenwiththestress3732 true, but i'd imagine that at high level play, you could bait a ghost move with your own caly-s and switch into zama-c and then live a hit to put caly-s into range of something. although this doesn't really seem to great unless you've already lost your counter
@@Iceyia unfortunately you are 2hkod even by scarf
252 SpA Choice Specs Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 24 HP / 0 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 255-300 (77 - 90.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 24 HP / 0 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 169-201 (51 - 60.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Seeing Lugia unviable in Ubers honestly kind of hurts.
Gamefreak just refuses to give it a meaningful buff and keeps making pokemon to beat it
@@fractalisomega9517 I mean Multiscale and HDB were two meaningful buffs, but SwSh Ubers meta is so utterly dominated by Ghosts, Darks, and Steels that it just isn't the right place for Lugia atm
Naw PLAYING against lugia hurts it’s basically chansey with wings
@@J242D it would be if it had chansey's typing.
To be fair, everything is playing against him in recent year, and we even got a Lugia alternative.
There's also Deoxys. Totally outclassed by Deoxys-Attack, the extra bulk it got is literally negligible.
Slower than Deoxys-Speed and still a paper compared to Deoxy-Defense.
Still, it was too overpowered for OU.
Some mons are just destined to never be used.
At least in Gen 4 it could anti-lead Deoxys speed and act as Deoxys-Speed at the same time.
This is about Gen 8 specifically. Deoxys is not available in Gen 8. Deoxys-N and Deoxys-D would both be great examples pre-Gen 8 though, because they're really garbage.
So 3 forms are great, the bae mon is shit. Id say it still is in a good spot compared to others :D
Just give him an actually balanced stat spread and he's free!
never used, but never NeverUsed...
That moment when these Pokémon are the definition of being completely unviable and never used. Considering they’re Ubers from stats, they’ll NEVER see use anywhere else
OUBL Pokemon are what i call them
Underubers wen???
They can find use in places like AG but thats about it. I feel like at least a couple of these could function in OU really well but it might take a bit (maybe next Gen or 2) for OU to have enough power creep to let Lugia and the others in OU. Heck Gen 6 and 7 were probably the perfect times for Lugia to have a chance and it was never given it.
Why not just move some of the broken Ubers too AG or has nothing really matched Mega Ray yet.
Except for Uber draft leagues! ^^
It'd be really cool to see the opposite. Lower tier pokemon that have a role in OU/Ubers.
Gen 4 was crazy this way, having tons of whack Pokémon to counter Kyogre lol
Quagsire: It's either OU or NU/PU. No middle ground. For some reason, it's awful in UU or RU, has niches in OU, but often not enough to be OU itself.
(And it was the only Zacian counter for some reason, so it was used often in Uber prior to Zacian's ban).
or even anything goes(talking about butterfree be a B+ pokemon)
I think Gastrodon used to be used in older gen Ubers because it could somewhat handle the menace of Orge due to Storm Drain and Thunder immunity
@@h-crab2082 Wait Butterfree is B+ in AG? Why?
Btw, you’re supposed to pronounce Cinderace’s ability LEE-beh-roh. It’s actually one of the more creative Pokémon names - libero is a role in soccer for a defensive back who doesn’t have an assigned man to defend on, and is therefore free (libero in Italian) to defend anyone who breaches the defensive line, much like Cinderace is free and can switch types at will.
Im italian, and i actually didnt know that this was what cinderaces ability referred to until this comment, i always pronounced It wrongly because i never connected the dots to the italian word Libero lol
it's a game about magic creatures who tf cares about pronunciation fr
Sorry but.
Attack on titan
it’s also a volleyball position
@@sophiawilliams8650 that’s true! That being said, the volleyball position was introduced much later than the soccer one and is named after the soccer one. Plus Cinderace is clearly soccer-themed
The way Dawn Wings Necrozma was designed, it was just doomed to being thoroughly outclassed by Lunala. It's slower, has a vastly inferior movepool, and effectively trades Shadow Shield for Prism Armor, which is utterly worthless on DW Necrozma because it has no x2 weaknesses to cover (unlike Dusk Mane Necrozma) and doesn't make any relevant difference in its x4 weaknesses to Ghost and Dark.
I'vs always wanted to see a split in Ubers. Given how new Pokémon keep appearing, and the power creeping in the franchise, more and more Pokémon will be sent to Ubers, eventually making it the "tier" (I know it's a ban list, but it works as a tier) with the most amount of pokes. So seeing something like Low Ubers, Mid Ubers and High Ubers would make it a much more enjoyable thing.
Or if only two tiers, a Sub-Ubers tier below Uber (SU, if you will)
You are right that Uber's really need's a split as unlike every other teir it member's exist in it solely by virtue of being banned from the tier below them. So while they have added both PU and Zu in the last 9 years. Uber's has only acheived moving from a banlist to an actual tier allowing it to ban pokemon up to AG.
OUBL
I don’t know why I love the “these Pokémon look good but aren’t” videos so much but please find a way to keep them going!! 😅
Theyre all actually very good, at least in AG and Wifi battles. Sadly the tiering being based on a Pokemons popularity and usage really screws them over, since "bad" Pokemon will be reduced to say PU but they actually function very well (sometimes too well) in higher tiers like OU and sometimes even Ubers. If it was based on power scaling, so many Pokemon would be way higher up in the tiers but if its based on usage it can be a bit unfair
That is like the definition of Onix. Looks strong but goodness it sucks
@@mechatengu7368 heyyy it’s good as a defensive wall, kind of, with eviolite and in sand… okay maybe you have a point 😂
@@varuhash50 a good example is Arctozolt. Out of hail, it sucks. In hail? It made hail viable in OU again outside of an Aurora Veil setup thingy.
Also I guess Aurorus and Vanilluxe? Vanilluxe will never be used in singles but in doubles is the fastest Blizzard spammer, and Aurorus does have a nice enough movepool that if not as a suicide lead can generally perform in NU nicely with a specific good player.
Weavile also punches above its weight in Ubers - it generally was in OU.
@@iantaakalla8180 Arctozolt is a tiny bit too slow even in Hail, but the fact it and Arctovish managed to decimate PU and get banned into NU and still dominate is a testament to show how powerful Hail has gotten in recent times. Heck, id even say its on-par with Gen 5 Sandstorm for the lower tiers!
Vanilluxe was once used in singles before the DLCs i think but ever since it got Aurora Veil it was about as good as Alolan Ninetails as a Hail setter. Aurorus isnt nearly as good sadly but it has the special bulk that the other 2 dont have. If only Hail could boost the Defense of Ice types, then Aurorus would easily be the better of the 4 Hail setters (A-Ninetails, Vanilluxe, and Abomasnow).
As for Weavile, i think it was because of Triple Axel that it got so good. If you remember, the best Ice coverage it had before was the measly Ice Punch and weak priority of Ice Shard. Now, physical Ice types can boast THE strongest Ice move any Pokemon can learn.
The only real place that Lugia is allowed and is really good is on randbats, you love to have it but hate to face it.
Btw a cool idea that came to my mind is the opposite of this video, a video explaining the non-Uber pokemon that are good in Ubers :]
He always has started to do that with Weavile. He could make a series.
yeah once I got destroyed by a toxic (move) lugia who kept spamming roost and even reducing power of my dmax moves because of multiscale
Yeah, I hate it in randbats
To be fair, every Uber is fantastic in randbats because you're bound to get a bunch of duds. I play bdsp randoms because it's the most recent one and I always get something like Wormadam or Unown. Uber gets in for free, potentially sets up and it's over.
Its actually very good in AG and Wifi battles too. Not many people in Wifi battles have super competitive teams (except for a few) and AG is for literally anything, and Lugia can even find a way there if done right
My favorite part of Ubers has been using Quagsire. Sure, he’s only a decent wall with some utility, and sure there’s next to no reason to use Quagsire over literally any other Box Legendary Wall, so why do I use him? Because you cannot out Quag the Sire.
I mean, Unaware is an incredible ability, so you could make a legit argument why Quagsire should be used
@@RyanYeehaw less valuable after the zacian ban, but still probably has an arguable niche
@@henriquepacheco7473 oh definitely very niche… but a niche nonetheless :)
One of the best things on my life was Quagsire trolling Xerneas by using Encore after Geomancy, the Quag is a boss
If a Pokemon's water/ground it's probably usable in whatever tiers it's allowed in. Quagsire, Gastrodon and Swampert all have a habit of roaming to tiers above their own.
This is where the whole concept of "opportunity cost" comes from, i.e. what you give up to get something. Everything the D-tiered ubers can do, something else in ubers can do better. Same thing goes with D-tiered pokemon in lower tiers, which are usually the UUBL, RUBL, ect pokemon. Ubers D-tier is like OUBL.
or UUbers. i want that!
Ubers = OUBL until AG soo
@@daine322 pretty much
Seeing Lugia unviable in gen8 ubers feels so weird considering it was an staple of gen7 AG stall (alongside mega gengar)
Honestly its amazing
Roar+multiscale+the best set up sweeper counter in the game geomance groudon necro zygarde any pokemon that clicks a set up move HATES lugia
For people asking, OUBL wouldn't make a difference, because you wouldn't be able to use it in any other tier below anyways.
Ubers is the ban list, lol
@@RyanYeehaw no ag is
@@macewindu5195 Doesn’t AG have like, 3 Pokémon ever? Gen 4 Arceus, Mega-Ray and Zacian
@@macewindu5195 Ubers is OU's banlist, while AG is Ubers's banlist
@@RyanYeehaw yes
I really wish Necrozma-DW wasn't so bad. It's possibly my favorite "major" legendary, and look at it...
Reminds me of when Lando-I dropped ever so briefly to UU at the start of gen 6 due to a combination of shiny new toy syndrome and competing with lando-t due to species clause.
Never has a mon been banned as quickly as Lando-I from UU. It was eventually banned from OU too because it was just entirely too good of a wallbreaker (and was one of the few mons that could eat into Lando-T's usage due to species clause, and we can't allow anything to eat into that).
Play doubles. While Dawn Wings still isn't fantastic, Solgaleo is much better than Necrozma-Dusk due to the abundance of Intimidate, so you're not dealing with the opportunity cost there. Plus, Trick Room is significantly more viable, and Expanding Force is Expanding Force.
@@kokorikopi this is all true, but unfortunately you do have the opportunity cost of not using a better restricted, particularly lunala. Imo calyrex-s really hurt necrozma-dw more than anything else not because it threatens it directly (though it still does, esp. since it runs sash), but because dark types are everywhere to keep it in check.
Psychic stab also hits fuck all in the meta atm, with the only good poison types being amoongus and venusaur, which can both give you sleep problems anyway, and the best fighting type being dark urshifu, the others seeing not a lot of usage. Psychic resists and immunities are absolutely everywhere too, incin, grimm, zacian, indeedee, and every other steel type. This makes even carrying a psychic move on your necrozma (or lunala) not great over other options. Not surprising that other psychic restricteds also usually drop their psychic stab, see both calyrex forms and solgaleo.
regigigas fans: first time?
@@wildvolt i mean, gigas isn't as big to the main story as much as Dusk Mane and Dusk Wing Necroz.
4:22 this fucking replay cracks me up everytime
"uuuuh lemme set up with my Fini against a Kyurem which I know has Freeze-Dry"
Funnily enough zamazenta hero was much better than crowned for most of the tier's history, as it was a niche but potentially rewarding choice bander (similar to a marshadow that trades offense for defensive utility), but recent discoveries and general meta shifts have led to zamazenta c to have a real Ubers niche for the first time, while the extra offensive potential of something like marshadow just became essential
It’d be interesting if every BL tier was covered like this because some UUBL Pokemon are good in OU while others aren’t
I think that having a UUbers tier would be really interesting. Let’s see which normally bad Ubers take over and which OU Pokémon can’t be used in it.
@gnome from pinkerton power creep might make it a good idea to explore again in the future though. At some point there'll probably be a large enough cast for it.
So basically, necrozma dusk mane walls everything
This is a certified Necrozma Dusk Mane moment
A list of Pokémon with the largest tier drops among generations would be really cool!
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
What if there was an “Ubers NU” tier, as absolutely ridiculous and insane as that idea is?
Not enough Pokémon to fill it
@@lordnatu With the weaker selection a lot of OU and UU Pokemon could become viable in that tier. That said it'd be kinda lame to have most of the Pokemon used for UNU come from lower tiers. At that point it's just an angrier version of OU.
Why did you skip UU and RU lol
@@copenwiththestress3732
I guess because the term “never used” was brought up in the video
My mind, it is malleable like clay
My friend created a tier called OUBL with all the Pokémon in this video
Terrifying Babys: All Pokemon banned in Little Cup could be an interesting
Would be interesting for the next theory Thursday to discuss tiers between Ubers and OU or something similar
@gnome from pinkerton I asked this 7 months ago lmfao chill out
that was a very informative video and while I never play UBERs it's very nice to learn about
“Necrozma Dusk is the most common Pokémon in Ubers”
>shows a list where Yveltal clearly has more usage that Necrozma
Not saying Necrozma isn’t incredibly common, just thought that was funny
honestly seeing 90+% usage on a mon is insane to me.
@@webbowser8834 not the only case, GSC snorlax has 98%+ usage. from what i heard, mons dont count towards usage stats if they're not sent out in formats without team preview so it very well could have 100% usage if that's true
@@LukeLol627 Don't forget the big 3 of OU in Tauros, Chansey and Snorlax. Gameboy games were a mess in terms of balance.
@@N12015 Yeah but stuff like glitched hyper beam were so good
Can you make a list of used to be good Pokemons that just got outclassed by a newer mon that isnt too obvious like of course ill use Blacephalon over Chandelure 99% of the time.
Foretress to Ferrothorn.
Machamp to Conkeldurr.
You already did Skarmory to Corviknight so no need.
Zapdos to Thundurus in gen 5.
Butterfree to Vivillon.
Pidgeot to Staraptor
Politoed to Pelipper (think he made this one)
Ninetales to Torkoal
@@BeeEmpress Yeah, butterfree just gets outclassed I guess.
@@J242D Think a better comp would be Dodrio to Staraptor for a closer power level.
@@Rose-ez7yn Zapdos in Gen 5 got taken over by Thunderus, dropping down to UU for the first time ever.
Otherwise, the only thing that brought Zapdos back into relevancy was its utility with defog being buffed.
Flygon to Garchomp
Tapu Bulu to Rillaboom
Dude your content is so great. I can't wait to see you hit 100k
I swear since finding your channel, I'm like a hawk looking for new videos. Especially RanBatts.
Going through the BLs and explaining why the Pokémon aren't good enough to make the tier above but are broken in the tier below. I feel like it's a natural next step from this video, since these mons would pro'ly be in OUBL if it existed.
I'll never forgive GameFreak for making a FIGHTING type move that scales with defense and not giving it to the FIGHTING type box legendary that boosts defense. Like, Body Press would be the perfect move for Zamazenta but why doesn't it get it?
Bc it would be too op (lol)
@@neobell9511 *looks at Zacian*
What if Behemoth Bash was Steel-type Body Press, with the Behemoth move’s gimmick of ignoring the HP boost of Dynamax
Freezai based on the little blurb at 0:24, I would love to see a video on OU or belowpokemon that are really good/have a niche in Ubers!
I’ve personally found success with kyurem white as a ground answer on a regieleki electric terrain team that I got to the mid 1500s with. You are right on its reliance for prediction to once it gets in but on a team like this I find prediction to be pretty easy because most players are going to switch to order to save their ground type.
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Would love to see a video on the bans/unbans specific to monotype
Love the contend bro! I'm always curious why some ubers are banned from OU but really shit in ubers. Thank you for the clarification!
eyy! nice work getting a sponsor Freezai!
Pls make more of these videos, keep up the good work :)
It hurts to see Lugia, a Pokémon so consistently good throughout the generations that it’s nicknamed the Great Wall, is now considered unviable.
Probably the most powercrept generation ever and people say gen 5 was the powercreep generation. Gen 8 said "hold my beer" before spitting in its face
And now we can say that for Gen 9.
@@cheetahofthewind13 gen 9:
Its main issue is that it’s weak to the top Pokemon in the tier. Its stats and ability are still great and being passive doesn’t matter much for defensive teams
@@IceBlueLugia we know he saw the video xD
That the defensive Titan that is Lugia, is dethroned now by Lunala absolutely flored me!
At this point, I think Smogon requires a "Low-Uber" tier; at least as an experiment.
They did it before; it's basically just an OU format but with all the broken stuff that they've tried to ban before all condensed into one meta, making the tier hilariously broken and utterly imbalanced
Or OUBL
I really like the idea of creating a -(insert tier) where pokemon that are in the tier only because they're too strong for the tier below have more opportunity to shine and, in turn, would shine light on otherwise outclassed pokemon. All the pokemon shown in this video make a good example of a -Uber/Uber-light where they're too strong for OU, but not good enough for Ubers. I really think that something like this would allow for new strategies to develop and possibly change up the META in standard play. Pokemon would only be eligible if they were under a certain usage percentage in their respective standard tier in addition to anything below said tier. Hopefully this would allow some BL pokemon to find a home as well.
Also since the addition of AG, Ubers has been treated more and more as an actual tier instead of the OU ban list. Why not label these pokemon as OUBL? It would give more credibility to the tier since AG is now the new ban tier
You could start doing a series talking about what could be done to make weaker Pokemon good. Like what could be done to make Sunflora a good Pokemon, and from there do some theory crafting with things like giving it a new move, ability, evolution, regional variant, or base stats buff. Either that or you could something like Pokemon people think are bad but are actually good.
What's my favorite thing about these videos™?
It's gotta be when he throws up stats to back his points for about 1-2 seconds so when I pause it's just after and skipping back 5 seconds puts me well before it showed up. It's even *better* on mobile.
This pairs perfectly with the b-roll footage. Obviously the background showdown battles are *way* more important than the talking points of the video and should limit how long information is put on screen.
I think genesect now may get usage when pokemon hope is released as tera electric with miraidon could be a powerful wall breaker especially with the electric drive and its access to U turn, flash cannon and flamethrower would be strong
genesect was a threat in gen 5 ubers but got powercrept like crazy same thing with lugia
Cinderace is one of the biggest examples of moveslot syndrome. It wants so many moves to have success with, but only having 4 moves hits it pretty hard in Ubers.
Hmm, wouldn't these be the worst of the best not the worst of the worst? 🤔
Dang Lugia finally got power crept in Gen 8, that sucks. I wonder if a offensive type would work.
You should do a similar video for older gen Ubers!
I love this!! Can you do a video of Pokémon that are in lower tiers but also have sets that are very viable in OU/ Ubers?? I feel like that would be pretty interesting
You can make a video on-
How to break every stall pokemon?
I struggle with them the most.
I think it'd be cool to see a video on non-fully-evolved Pokemon which are almost as good or even better in competitive as their evolutions. For example:
-Chansey, who has overtaken Blissey as the de-facto special wall in OU a couple times
-Clefairy, who actually sees a share of VGC use due to its ability and redirection support moves
-Gligar, a UU staple almost always a tier behind Gliscor
-Kadabra, who is in the exact same tier as Alakazam in Gen 3 lol
-Porygon2, who was in the same tier as Porygon Z in Gen 6
-Dusclops, who has outclassed Dusknoir at times both in singles and VGC
there should honestly be an oubl tier for mons like cinderace and zamazenta that doesn’t have xern and other actually good Ubers
What about calling it UUbers
I subscribed because of Blunder. Lol. I want to see you colab with him soon. We all waiting for that.
I'm national Dex ag I use Lugia for it's sheer bulk, since it can take supereffective stab damage very easily in most cases
I know a fun idea:
If instead of deoxys changing forms, it could change its stat distribution, how would you distribute its stats to make the best possible deoxys there is? Would you make it bulky or offensive? Psychically offensive or specially offensive? How much speed? How much defense or HP? I think it would be very interesting what hypothetical stat spread would be the best.
For example you could make the bulkiest pokemon ever (except for eternatus):
255 hp
1 attack
121 defense
1 special attack
121 special defense
101 speed
This would be a stat total of 600
You would have a really fast extremely bulky pokemon. But would it still be a good pokemon? Do you have the right utility moves? Would this be successful?
You could also make an offensive deoxys:
49 hp
1 attack
47 defense
255 special attack
47 special defense
201 speed
This would obviously be a very threatening pokemon. But priority would be an issue lol. What would be the sweet spot?
What do you think would be the BEST spread possible?
I'd love to see a list of mons from UU and below who still see common play in ubers!
Id like to see a list of pokemon that are low tier or untired that have a solid OU niche, like gastrodon, ditto ect
Most of these "bad ones" are just products of power creep
Especially after generation 5 Ubers have really been pushing the limit at breaking the meta rather than fitting into it
Yveltal, Xerneas, Necrozma, Lunala, Eternatus, Calyrex, Zacian
Also you can say that Zamazenta is bad... but it's amazing for doubles with it's good stats and move selection for support
The issue with zamazenta, even in doubles, is that it comes at the cost of not being able to use an offensive Uber instead for more damage output. This is why support Ubers are not very popular in formats like vgc
The fact that every single one of these pokemon are from gen 5 and above except Lugia tho...💀
@@XtheGAMEmaster In VGC yes, it's not that good due to competition for that slot, but in a Doubles format that allows multiple ubers it's extremely useful at countering teams that rely on spam from Kyogre, Calyrex, and Groudon
@@potatowarrior88
Gen1 and 2 allowed for max stat investment so powerwise Ho-oh, Lugia, and Mewtwo were much more dangerous then
G3 added EVs and cemented the idea of a balanced Uber, great stats and servicable speed for your typical kaiju monster
G4 and 5 doubled down on dragon types and basically flooded the meta, and naturally some were better, but after G6 they all took a huge hit becoming prey for Fairy types with Xerneas being the biggest offender
@@fractalisomega9517 i mean i guess thanks for the ted talk- i...😭 what im so confused why this mans started talking about the history of ubers competitve
A Lisr of all Uber Pokemon who endet up in lower Tiers and why, would be interesting.
Isnt regular Nekrozuma currently pretty low?
That's because regular necrozma isn't a box legendary. And only has a base 600 stat total. Which is only equal to mythics and psudeo legendaries
Base Necrozma is still fairly decent with Prism Armor and a pretty expansive movepool along with Psychic Terrain support from Indeedee, it was banned from RU some time ago because of how offensively versatile it was in the tier
I wanna see this for Gen 7 Ubers since some mons aren't here for dex reasons
Genesect was amazing for me; infact it countered geoxerneas. I used sash + shift gear with max speed, outspeed and OHKO xerneas because of physical download boost
What if smogon made a tier below Ubers but above OU. You could fill it with all the Pokémon that are unviable/not good in Ubers and I think it could be fun to finally see some of these Pokémon actually being used in a tier
I'm kinda surprised the "Species Clause" problem doesn't automatically put stuff like Ice Rider Calyrex in the bottom tier for Ubers. Shadow Rider Calyrex is one of the best Pokemon in Ubers, and running it disqualifies Ice Rider Calyrex from being put on the same team. So, are there enough team compositions that would prefer having Ice Rider over Shadow Rider to put it above the bottom Ubers tier?
I do have to ask, why isn't Cinderace allowed in lower tiers with Blaze?
Smogon generally dislikes complex bans like that because banning an entire mon is much simpler from a rules standpoint then it is to try and ban "specific ability on specific mon" or "specific move on specific mon".
The only time they really did complex bans was back in gen 5, and that was because they didn't want to ban weather entirely.
@@webbowser8834 ok, that makes sense
@@webbowser8834 Tbf we wouldn't want to ban Raboot for PU or ZU.
zamazenta-H somehow made its way into ND UU following the release of SV. it's genuinely so bad that i don't even think that it could even be banned from ND OU at this point (or SV OU once HOME compatibility releases). i never thought it was possible for a boxart legendary to be usable in OU, let alone UU but here we are
I would really like to see what you think of CAP Mons. In which tier they would be and what movesets to use.
4:27 Freeze Dry
FreezeDry
FreezDrai
Freezai
All Zamazenta needs is for it's signature move to use it's defence stat
Weirdly my friends allow a few random " ubers " pokemon in our battles as there not to hard to deal with
8:52 "Obviously overpowered"
I beg to differ. It got tools in gen 8 that makes it stronger, Herb Meteor beam, autotomize removal of pursuit.
But in gen 7? You could drop Dawn wings into OU and that shit might just fall out of usage.
It's UNREASONABLY slow for it's absolutely horrible defensive typing, leaving it with a 4x weakness to pursuit, and has absolutely no coverage to hit dark types, which is obviously a problem given the pursuit weakness. There are better psychic/dark/ghost type attackers in the tier such as Mega Alakazam, Blacephalon, Ash Gren, and even Hoopa-Unbound, (Who isn't even OU by usage btw) who outdo Necro-DW by leaps and bounds. Not to mention all of the absurdly fast wallbreakers going around that it wants to part of, in Ash Greninja, Kartana, Mawile, Blace, ect. You could probably even make an argument that Chandelure is even a better wallbreaker than it, despite having a lower special attack stat. It's actually faster, has coverage like Energy ball to hit tyranitar pretty hard and fire stab for AV magearna (though is obviously outclassed by Blace of the same typing, superior sp.atk stat and speed).
Seeing as how the USUM Council is re-testing Blaziken and Mega Blaziken in light of Blaziken being UUBL in generation 8, Necro-DW has a chance to be tested as well. It just never has been, but it would be FAR from overpowered in the tier if it did.
I have doubts about this claim btw. for starters, sure Necrozma-DW may have pretty poor defensive typing, but unlike Hoopa-Unbound it doesn't have any glaring bulk issues for the opponent to capitalise on so it's nowhere near as exploitable for most faster opponents that can't hit it for weakness, and even then Necrozma-DW isn't frail enough to die to unSTAB Knock Off either thanks to better bulk + Prism Armor, unlike Hoopa running from every U-turn. In fact, you seem to underestimate Necrozma-DW's bulk in general; an uninvested Necrozma-DW will ALWAYS survive a _Shadow Ball from Mega Alakazam_ , to put it into perspective.
Sure, Necrozma-DW's coverage leaves a lot to be desired, but between Earth Power and/or Heat Wave it can still hit most of the bulkier Dark-types it needs to. Heck, Necrozma-DW only needs 4 Atk EVs to 2HKO max HP Tyranitar with Brick Break, even if it's using a Modest nature, so it's practically zero investment outside of a moveslot that you'd rarely click anyway since you'd be spamming Moongeist most of the time.
With all that said, arguably Necrozma-DW's most dangerous trait is its ability to *change its speed tiers* . Most of the competition you've mentioned earlier either rival Necrozma-DW in raw power or/and eclipse it in Speed entirely, but what they cannot do is influence their Speed. Rock Polish Necrozma-DW can rip offense apart, especially if it could access its delete button in Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom, though it's already plenty strong without that. What's that; it's still slow enough to be picked off by Scarfers? Well what about a Trick Room set which it's still slow enough and more than sufficiently powerful for? Now Scarfers get invalidated _and_ it can afford bulk investment for added resilience to priority moves.
Tl;dr: I made the same mistake as you once, but I have long since learned that sometimes just having a high enough base stat allocation and a workable enough movepool can give a Pokémon a deceptive amount of versatility and raw effectiveness despite its seemingly obvious limitations. Like sure, a slow mon with two 4x weaknesses to Dark & Ghost and no OHKO coverage against Darks seems bad on paper, but in practice, not only does it have the bulk to survive pretty much any Dark/Ghost move that isn't STAB, which also means it can 1v1 nearly any Pokémon that aren't those types, but most of the Pokémon that can take it on do not want to switch in. It more or less becomes "use Hydreigon/Mandibuzz/Snorlax/Porygon2 or risk losing a Pokémon or the game outright (since it can setup sweep)", and I don't doubt Necrozma-DW could find a way around each of those mons too.
i dont play pokemon unite or mystery dungeon but could you make a video about items that have been introduced in those games and if they would benefit competitive smogon singles
I think they should make a tier Below Ubers but above OU. In this tier you can use those less OP banned mons as well as the good ones from OU.
zamazenta should have gotten body press and had defense scaling on behemoth bash, like they make a defense themed fighting type and as well as not making its signature move work off defense, they dont give it the fighting type defense based move
I'd love to see a list of the OU or below pokemon that ARE good in Ubers.
Make a video about what will happen if Pokémon are used in lower shooting ranges without their very strong abilities. That is, the ban of ability on a certain Pokémon, for example Cinderace Libero, Torkoal Drought, Tapus Surge, Rillaboom Grassy Surge, Toxapex Regeneration And others
I feel reshiram, while not talked about in the video, is the most hurt by prism armor ignoring abilities or other ways to invalidate it, as NDM would then get torched by reshiram blue flare, but it doesn't and ho-oh also plagues reshiram as well, tis sad to see reshiram be so utterly bad because it should have a lot going for it, but it gets the short end of the stick, a lot
My man is getting sponsored now and everything, jeeez
what really had me going is that turboblaze doesnt ignore prism armor and like why not
Maybe for another video you could go through every tier’s ban list and do the same thing as this vid
Fun Idea: Ubers tournament, but ban all of the top threats. Try and see how people can use some of these pokemon that aren't used in normal Ubers.
Seeing Lugia there just broke my heart. Imagine the same fate happens to Mewtwo (which sadly it will probably be) and Ho-Oh. Dang power creep...
Ho-oh is one of the best Pokemon in Uber’s. But power creep will probably catch up to Mewtwo soonish.
ho-oh is actually really good in ubers tho
depends on how soon the inevitable Gen 1 rerereremake comes around to buff Mewtwo again.
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Lugia was allowed in standard play in gen 5 for a couple days, where it wasnt even that good, because darkrai and skymin were also allowed
So how big does the Ubers tier have to be before we can get UUbers?
"hey dude, I kinda wanna build a bulkier team in Ubers, but it's kinda weak to hazards, I think we should add that one psychic flying type that--"
"Oh Lugia? Yea he's tanky and can defog so it-"
"What? No, Xatu, deals with hazard"
Xatu is C- and Lugia is D tier...
Lugia can be status'd and PP stalled when trying to do hazard control. Xatu cannot. It does the job better than Lugia.
Can you do a video explaining how every team in ubers contain necrozma dusk mane, yveltal, and eternatus as its core?
Honestly I think Naganadel even without Nasty Plot and with an item like choice scarf or specs is one of the best sweepers especially because of Dmax as it can boost its special attack with max ooze (sludge wave) speed with max airstream (air slash) and defense with max steel spike (flash cannon)
And dmax is also an edge it has over eternatus
Dynamax is banned outside of AG.
I’ve always wanted to know what would happen if, much like the ZU tier of Gen 7, what about an Ubers BL tier?
Not allowing Ubers down to OU rank but what about a tier consisting of the Ubers with horrible usage stats? That’s a ton of options to go with. By now allowing the top ranking Ubers into this new metaphorical tier, but still allowing OU to creep in if wanted, it could make for an interesting concept
@gnome from pinkerton personally I still hold a notion for these Ubers to shine.
As the mons in this video alone are proof that Ubers is too volatile for them but simultaneously a couple specific bans (such as banning a certain item on a specific Pokémon) could just as easily remedy the problem of “no checks”
That and let’s face it, Landorus is still sitting on every physical threat like no tomorrow even the Ubers in this video, and Blissey is sitting on anything remotely special like Kyurem, that’s just a fact of life and not a single person can deny that, hence their placement in OU to begin with. I am not claiming stall is the only way to handle the OP Pokémon but it would be a viable tier.
Is it me or does gen 8 ubers look more broken then even gen 6-7 with things like primal Groudon like they have 87 and 75% usage in the tier
Freezai, can you make a video on what type of pokemom can use what type of item? Like what makes a good choice bander vs choice scarfer, or when should you use assault vest or life orb?
Assault vest is really niche and can only mostly be used on a Mon with Regen especially if a said defensive Mon gets recovery by itself anyways (like the 3 that come to mind are glowking,tangrowth,and reuniclus)
I’m surprised you didn’t mention Reshiram or Deoxys-Normal
The former can be a sun nuke and the latter is National Dex in Gen 8.
I think there should be a new sub-uber tier introduced above OU to let these pokemon shine
It would be interesting to see an ou plus tier where these Pokémon too weak for Ubers were also included.
0:43 I genuinely think Cinderace is better in AG than in Ubers, just simply cause of the hazard laden meta, especially the use of Sticky Web, Court chance is simply an incredidle tool, plus it allows Cinderace to survive Groudons Precipice blades and then U-Turn and keep momentum.
It’s the same with something like Regieleki, Regieleki is UU but that’s because of how people use it, I think it’s an incredible pokemon when utilizing it’s great speed which outruns a Scarfed Mega-Ray and then ohko’s it with a choice band Explosion, and The Choice Band Wild Charge is no joke either, conistantly doing more than 80% on most neutral targets. And ohko’s glass cannons.
regieleki has the hardest hitting no drawback move in the game, ive run some calcs against zac-c and rising voltage in terrain is the strongest no drawback move in the game except stuff like explosion
regieleki is really damn op
@@MrZoblox yeah but Rising voltage needs electric terrain, A choice band wild charge, does like 70% to most neutral targets, and explosion kills a lot.
If the enemy has no ground type, you can just spam it.
@@NocturnalPyro yeah, regieleki wins if they have no grounds
and true, rising voltage needs terrain, but the hardest hitting move in the game and the fastest pokemon is kinda op
and stuff like ferrothorn gets 2hkod by rv in terrain, and blissey takes like 70%
its unwallable, but it gets no coverage sadly
@@MrZoblox yeah
zamazenta getting body press and then bodying ou only to be go back to uber purgatory