Bosch's New PROFACTOR Beats Up On a Whole Lotta High Torques: GDS18V-740N
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The Profactor is now on Amazon again! amzn.to/2TCVj4N 4ah starter kit: amzn.to/2TxEtnH This past week Bosch introduced the new GDS18V-740N cordless High Torque from their Profactor Bi Turbo line, so we test it against the Milwaukee, Flex and Makita with some very interesting and perhaps industry changing results thanks much in part to Bosch's battery requirements on their Profactor series
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What do you guys think about adding a how load it is?
Just ordered the bolt expectations and wheel hub assembly shirts despite the hub assembly not providing a torque spec for the ball joint, tie rod end, axle nut and strut bolts. No biggie I’ll just give it the beans until the threads start to stretch.
That was a great test. Good information. Have you seen the Bosch Profactor Hitman SDS? There is also SDS shank adapters for sockets available on eBay but they are around $15 a pop. It would be interesting to see the Hitman on the Dyno. Hey Bosch...
Upvote this comment to keep the 8ah battery result on the rank list (you have to buy a battery separate either way)
To be fair they've straight up said "Use big boi batts!", so I think they should be listed as it's designed to be :)
If you're going to rate the tool vs its 'as advertised' then you at least have to run it with the specified setup.
I wish they had a midsized 6ah 21700 cell pack to use here. I think that's the most likely pack size most people in industry would use attempting to balance weight/size with power output. It would be interesting to hear from everyone what size pack people would use day to day.
Keep the 8ah battery... clearly states that’s what you need for it’s top power
@@venturebro24 like the 5,5Ah they have in Europe? 😁
So glad to see Bosch tested! They have been quietly making great tools for a long time and finally getting some recognition.
Agreed
This and "Project Farm" are my two best CZcams channels. They are my go to channels when deciding what to buy.
Yeah I agree.
That plus AvE
Keep your little Richard in a bad habit.
@@tuffluveagle1516 You are correct, AvE content is very good.
@@tuffluveagle1516 - You're right. I forgot about AvE.
My favorite brand of tools! I'm glad it stood up and even exceeded its claims.
List the 8ah because that's the manufacturer recommendation for what should be used, and it is known that if you chose not to use what is recommended then you are making the decision to sacrifice performance. That is not something caused by the tool, but is purely 'human error'.
Bosch has quietly been putting out some good tools and I really liked the intro lol
Most power tool brands are designed by 🇩🇪 :)
@@1FaSS01 No.
Bosch is just trying to stay relevant
@@lukegoldsberry9686
They are very much relevant.
Their tool line goes from cheap amateurs all the way to pro.
@@Shatterfury1871 Well, their "cheap amateur" GDX 18V 180 Li (the damn gen 1.5) is the worst of the worst... useless even for removing the low torque wheel nuts on a small four cylinder car...
"this could have an impact on your brand"
I see what you did there
Nice effort from Bosch, usually with increased competition the consumer benefits 👍🏽
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There may not be a kit version, but you can get a free 8AH battery and rapid charger if you buy it at Lowes. Should be good through August 4.
I’ve said it before, this channel is gonna be the cause for tool manufacturers to step up their game.,,,
Rate with the 8 amp hour. Also Lowe's has a promo, if you buy the bare tool, you get the charger and 8 amp your battery free.
When I did millwright work we had a decent sized Hilti hammer drill and an antique Bosch hammer drill. When you really needed the power to drill thru rebar and really tuff concrete we would go with the Bosch. We didn't need it a lot but was glad to have it in our arsenal. It would really beat the crap out of your hands and arms. It didn't have a stopper for when you hit something that would stop the Hilti, it would just twist your arms to hell and back.
Bosch has been taking their time devoloping all new tools more powerful than ever and now just have to wait for them to be released. They have a new 18v drill that puts out 150 NM ( 1,327 in. lbs.) I'm anxious to get my hands on as well.
Agreed. I like how Bosch takes their time to develop their tools but always come with good ideas and plenty of torque for years to come. I saw an add for this GSR18V-150C drill and noted it has the first ever angle detection for any drill on the market. That's super clever!
@@MrLuisinho90 The smaller brother, the 18V-85C also has a kickback stop, which is needed 😅
@@MannoMax With this much power you definitely need some protection. Without that, just a tiny mistake and you are offline for a while.
Nice to see bosch tools getting some love
As a Bosch 18V platform user, I'm glad about this High Torque impact wrench.
As I've learned through the years, Bosch may not be a Manufacturer to update its lineup every 2 or 3 years and some customers may consequently feel a bit forgotten, but when they do, they usually bring their goods to the table and rarely overrate their specs unlike some others.
And their durability is unquestionable
The interior build quality is an issue for me but otherwise their the only competition to Makita and metabo as far as I can tell. everyone else is fighting over the max number, sam's features ergonomics or quality
The thing with the 8 and 12Ah batteries is that they have not only 5 cells in series but also 2 (3 for the 12Ah) packs in parallel, therefore being able to push more current out. I'd only list the results with the 8Ah battery because that's what the device is designed for. The recommendation applies to all biturbo brushless devices, I already got the new angle grinder and some more tools are on the list ;)
I bought 2 8Ah ProCore (as they are called here in Europe) as a set with the GAL 18V 160 C rapid charger and bluetooth module.
Really nice combo. :)
I bought this set mainly because of the high power draw on my GAS 18V-10L shopvac and GWS 18V-15 C angle grinder.
I'd love to have a couple of 12Ah, but the added weight and US$ 278+ pricetag (DKr 1785+) dampens my enthusiasm...
thanks for the review and comparisons. you make great analysis and contents. keep up the great work !
Lowes had a crazy Bosch sale last 2 months (May - June) where they sold the bare tool, but included 1 battery + charger for free. This 740N impact was one of the tools included in the sale. Even though I didn't need this impact, as I already have the Milwaukee 2767, I couldn't pass up the deal. I got this Bosch impact for $246 with free profactor core 8ah battery + charger. I've been using it for a month and really like it. I didn't realize just how good it was compared to the Milwaukee, which I still hold as the gold standard of 1/2" cordless impact wrenches.
I regret not getting into that deal a few months ago when I was shopping at Lowe's, but at least I got the cordless Brushless sander with the 4Ah starter kit for $129.
I have no real use for a high torque impact but it was a sweet deal for sure.
Wow, I'd love that deal here in Europe. The 8 Ah battery is $130 and the charger $80. That means you effectively paid $36 for the impact!
0:28, i love the way you carefully read the instructions. Great video👍👍👍👍.
Really says a lot about you guys that you don't accept tool gifts or free tools, or sponsors. That tells me that the reviews are 100% factual. You've gained a sub, and a follower for as long as you're on CZcams
100% agree on Flex. I feel like I'm using Thor's Hammer when I want 21700 cells on my impact driver with the 8.0 🤣
That Bosch is a beast! Take that, Big Red!
Bosch looks really good but it didn't exactly spank the Milwaukee either. When they use the same batteries, milwaukee actually beat it. I was hoping Bosch would be beat it outright just for variety sake.
@Philly, ha! Sure, take that “Big Red”, remembering that the Milwaukee Impact Wrench is around 3 years old, the Bosch is brand new and the Milwaukee is not being tested with similar size batteries. It’s kind of like the older fighter who’s 50 and 0, being beat by the younger, up and coming boxer...it was just a matter of time.
It’ll be interesting to see how the refreshed Milwaukee Impact Wrench will do. You can anticipate a real beast coming soon!
@@martylucas8557 Hope so! Gotta keep these companies on their toes and innovating.
I doubt Milwaukee is sweating over a small difference like that, especially with a tool that has been out a few years. DeWalt needs to step it up.
@@Dale37 DeWalt's XR impact driver is just sad and old...
You did the dark mode graph!! Thank you so much! You’re now my favorite CZcams channel
I’ve been waiting for this! That thing looks legit!
To top it off you can go to Lowes right now and get the Bosch impact with a free 8ah battery and a hellion charger. I got mine and I've been really happy with it.
how much did you pay for it? I just checked @ lowes.com and the tool only is $249, while the 8.0Ah Profactor CORE battery + charger adds another $219
@@MrLuisinho90 i just paid the price of the tool. I think 239.99. You get the $219 battery and charger free.
@@tarutaruomen that's a great deal!
i bought 2.bosch guns 10 years ago, they have earned there keep doing field service in the Pilbara wa still working great the big one does. detroit 60 series head bolts, colleagues couldn't believe it at the time!! it kinda needs to die now so i can justify buying the new high torque!! (-:
btw did you guys look at the aeg high torque the make some big promises!!
You are a very thoughtful reviewer! thank you for that !
I had an old Bosch 12v drill back in the day that was sitting in the garage for 10 years unused. I decided to use it again one day so I charged up the battery, put it in the drill, and damn if that drill didn't still have the beans. And the battery lasted quite awhile. I was very impressed!
My old, ten year old small Milwaukee M12 still brushed hammer drill driver came with two of the initial 1.5 Ah batteries, and it still works perfectly at ten years this January 2023... It is a matter of the manufacturers using good quality cells, and having designed a good charger circuitry. On the contrary, a friend's DeWalt "20V Max" drill has started losing power all too soon, pointing to lower quality cells or a charger that does not take good care of the batteries...
Love the channel. Just ordered this model from Lowes. Free charger and battery promotion with tool purch going on just in time for the holidays. 🤗
I bought one of these a few weeks ago from Lowe’s as using it I will put it right next to my m18 and I love Bosch 18v and and FYI the battery starter kit will be free with select tools from Lowe’s like sawzall,skill saw and angle grinder as well as multi tool which worked out well as I bought 8.0ah for sawzall too cut out my old tub last year great review I am glad Bosch is doing well with 18v tools now
The thing that gets me is that you have to buy another more expensive expensive battery to get those high number and I think that should reflect in the price category
The tool's only sold by itself, so you'd be buying a battery anyways in this case. I'm seeing GBA18V80's for $100, not exactly a premium price point for a cordless tool battery
I know they aren't as popular in the US, but I would like to see how the Metabo SSW 18 LTX 400 BL as well as the high torque SSW 18 LTX 600. They do come in different kit sizes, but with metabo I believe the 18v lihd 5.5ah are the highest output (and one of the kits includes these). It seems like based on general feedback they may actually advertise attainable torque ratings instead of magical ratings and it would be really interesting to see how they measure up.
I was trying to get one of these for weeks they were sold out as soon as they came in stock everwhere. Finally got 1 about 2 weeks ago and im glad i did.
Finally, a real test with real numbers.
Not another ‘I like this brand because that’s what I own and I like it’ video.
Thank you.
I appreciate you including air tools in the same testing protocol as the cordless, as many of us are trying to decide when to make the switch
Bosch is killing it with the new tools
No ers ahs or u nos,,,love it! Have to watch your vids a couple of times to get everything you cover!
At the end of the day, if you buy Bosch, even if the specs aren’t at #1, the dependable and decades long pristine track record is a heavy weight contender for the serious professional.
One of the pros of this brand people don’t think about as often is that it has a color scheme that keeps it from being stolen more often than not.
You can spot a Dewalt, Makita, Milwaukee, and especially a Ridgid tool across the entire job site.
The dark blue and black Bosch is much more incognito and less prone to being jacked.
And of course, Bosch makes the best demolition breakers and hammer drills on the market, no questions.
Remember the first time I brought the Bosch Bulldog hammer drill to remove tile in a kitchen while my firemen scoffed and touted the superior quality of some knock off Chicago Electric garbage….I had removed every piece of tile without a single broken piece and had them stacked neatly before he was half done with his side. Epic tools.
This needs to be retested with a 12ah.
Yay for t-shirts!!! Just bought 2 :)
More air hammer dyno damnit. Love this stuff, keep it up guys
The one the manufactor recommends should be listed that´s only fair. I really want to see it with the tallest battery pack!
If the manufacturer specified a battery then that’s what it should use regarding the fairness it should be noted that it was with a bigger battery but both scores should stay for information purposes...
Maybe other tools can be retested later with the bigger battery if they become available or with an adapter and then put into another chart.
Keep up the great work guys
Been waiting for this one.
As much as a love and payed Milwaukee tools the Bosch should be ranked with the 8ah also have you guys seen the matco 20v high torque? That would be a cool video and the snap on high torque just to see how some tool truck companies compare in the cordless game
Yes! Thank you for considering the viewer's suggestions
Just picked this up on clearance (skin only) for $150aud. Absolute steal 🤤
Subscribed due to your independant disclaimer. I hope you hold true to your word, its a breath of fresh air!
Keep in mind Bosch is a conglomerate making anything from fridges to vacuums to those nice tools.
They move a bit slower in upgrading their inventory but you can never go wrong with Bosch!
Team Blue for me all tbw way, gotta keep the money in 🇪🇺!
At Lowes right now get free 8ah battery and charger with purchase of this impact wrench at $249, seems like a good deal!
My vote goes for the 8ah rated battery. If Bosch intended the tool to be used with said battery then that’s the guideline to go by. Albeit, still a respectable result from the lesser 4ah.
Fantastic video! Love the new dark mode btw 🙏
It's a bit weird in the US with Bosch, I have heard them in talks actively discouraging use of older model batteries. Here in Europe it's the opposite, they proudly encourage using older batteries on Bi-Turbo tools as the mantra from Bosch batteries is back compatibility.
in the other direction I use a 2011 SDS drill with the 2170's, no issues.
The Bi-Turbo tools will automatically de-rate current draw from older spec batteries.
I have a 216mm Mitre saw which draws 1600w I use the older 2nd gen 7Ah 2170's which are limited to 1800w so no issue, I have used a 2011 2Ah 18650 which is limited to 800w on the Bi-Turbo it works fine unless you drive it hard into heavy timber which results in it just stopping with no drama or struggles.
I have seen a Bosch sales guy (online) using a 2009 18650 on the 305mm Mitre saw which draws up to 2kw obviously he was very gentle with it.
The 150NM 18v GSR drill also works fine on older batteries.
It's probably because Europeans love backwards compatibility and Americans focus primarily on power. Europeans would be disappointed if they couldn't use their old batteries and Americans would be disappointed if they didn't get the advertised power.
Both statements are correct: all Bosch 18V machines work on all Bosch (Blue) 18V batteries. At the same time, ProFactor / BiTurbo machines need 5.5 Ah or greater Core / ProCore 21700 batteries for optimal performance.
Nice to see them up there, where they belong. PS: Bosch also offers pretty good warranty for their battery packs, which not everyone does.
Do you have any interest in testing my well used Milwaukee 2763-20 high torque to see how they hold up over time? I bought it around the beginning of 2015 and used it daily until mid 2018 where it's still used regularly but not daily.
12:30 I really think you guys should revamp the torque/dollar column. There's a huge difference between using a $100 battery and a $150 battery on the same tool. Just using the base price of the tool doesn't factor in the differing results using different batteries.
Base price of the tool has been the only way historically we can compare tools across everything. Tools sold in kits, tools sold not in kits, including multiple batteries in kits, or paying for a charger with each tool ranked, and vs air. It's only been an issue on this one with battery requirement differences vs the other tools we've tested.
@@TorqueTestChannel
I understand. But this is not the first time you've tested the same tool with different batteries.
I suggest pricing out the tool, basic battery, and charger. These are the three items every cordless tool requires for operation.
We've tested 7 Milwaukee tools, including a charger in the price for every one of them is something no user would do themselves and we won't be doing here in head to heads.
@@TorqueTestChannel
Okay, good point, and sorry. My power tool collection consists of one 25 yr old corded skilsaw (unknown make) and one 3/8 drive VSR drill (18 v Ridgid), so I hadn't considered that many (most?) people buy several tools with same batteries. So, only one charger needed, not one purchased with each tool.
@@TorqueTestChannel I disagree. I absolutely consider the price of the battery and charger when buying a tool I don't already own the battery/charger for. But just my opinion - you guys are doing awesome work, and I love the straight-forward tests.
I wasn’t a fan of Bosch hand tools until they stepped up their game with Bi-Turbo technology. They have been releasing some serious punch outta their tools after waiting for all the tool manufacturers been releasing new tools. They must’ve studied the gap and added that gap in these tools. They surely have picked their game up and we are slowly adding new biturbo tools to our kits! Great review mate! 👍👍👍
Good to see someone finally give Milwaukee a run for their money. My tool box is slowly turning all red. I could use another color but nothing competes anymore lol
Even the bosch needs 3 extra AH to compete and its a wash . If you already have m18 series your not gonna jump to Bosch.
I always keep 2 brands at home and when looking for a new tool I choose whichever of those brings the best for my money.
@@GamingwithIinfected actually, the 5.5 Ah battery is just as powerful.
As a hat collector, I hope your able to add hats to your store soon.
I got a 12 amp hour Bosch battery and the last generation Bosch impact that's brushed, if you want test that out and see what over a decade of improvement makes, comment back.
Sure! Could you email us? TorqueTestChannel@gmail.com
@@TorqueTestChannel check your inbox :)
This video convinced me to pick up a Bosch 1/2 impact upgrade from my AutoZone 1/2 impact.
Shirt ordered!! WOOOHOOOO!!!
Great video
it would be cool to see an additional spread sheet of just the cordless high torques.
Picked one of these up for less than $200 with lowes free 8ah battery and charger promo. Win win🎉
Great stuff! Please put a link to your ever changing comparison table with footnotes in the video notes section.
Is the M18 3/4" the same driver as the 1/2"?
That was really interesting, I agree the marketing about the battery is a little deceiving but still impressive numbers with the "wrong" battery
Catch me wearing my “wheel hub assembly” shirt in diesel class on Monday 👍🏼
When I upgraded my kit to Bosch from olde Panasonic 5 years ago, they were said to be pretty decent, but Milwaukee has creamed all over everything lately. But they do have an excessive number of variants. I counted 7 different radios in 1 shop recently. A bit on the ridiculous side.
I'd still love to see how the Ridgid high torque compares to these front runners
I would love you guys to test the effectiveness and accuracy of torque sticks!
Good idea, but with so many different ratings and brands, they might have to limit it to one or two of the most commonly needed ratings, perhaps 80ftlb and 120ftlb models. Granted, 70 and 90 are probably more commonly used than 120, but since 80 is clearly the most common and 70/90 are so close, doesn’t seem like a good plan to test 70/90 so 100 or 120 seems like a better plan to gauge accuracy across a range of ratings.
U definitely need to check out the Bosch GDX 18V-200 C and compare it with the other 18V's from Milwaukee, Ryobi etc. Good Video
Please do the 12mah!!! You guys rock
All my tools are bosch, and not one has let me down. I've got the 18v bi turbo sds plus, which is the most powerful one you can buy, and I searched, makita, milwaukee, hilti, etc , couldn't find the same size more powerful than the bosch, brilliant tool.
Question for you have y’all done a test with the porter cable 1/2 inch drive 20volt. If so I’m looking to add one to my cable set and primary will be taking wheels off and on
Can you test the torque limiting extensions? I am trying to figure out if they are actually a waste of time and money on Chinesium tools.
The 8ah battery belongs on the graph. I'm a big believer in best battery for output
I say keep the 8ah, I want to see who makes the hardest hitting impact wrench's. If you need a bigger battery to get the extra power, then that's what you need. Use the best battery from each brand with the best tool that they offer.
Thank you! I have literally been screaming that they need to test the 20v Max batteries from DeWalt with 21700 cells and the high output architecture batteries from Milwaukee. He’s handing us inaccurate results because what he is coming up with isn’t the limit of the tools, it’s the limit of the decade old battery technology they’re still using. DeWalt and Milwaukee Fuel tools are designed to optimize that extra amperage draw on 21700 cell batteries, using an old 18650 5.0ah pack is just neutering the tools, leveling the playing field, and making it impossible to tell who actually makes it best.
Just curious so I can relate but, how do you gentleman hold your tool for the shake rating. Firm but no death grip or?
I bought the ridgid high torque since i already had ridgid tools but i think the top 3 cordless heavy weights are Bosch profactor, ingersoll rand and milwaukee
From my own experience, while I find there is significant power increase when I switch from the Milwaukee 5 to 8 on the High Torque, I find there is marginal if any difference between the Milwaukee 8 and 12. Would be interesting to see if the same holds true for Bosch. Good vid. Thanks!!!
The weird thing is if you check out the m18 video that tests the torque differences between the batteries there isn't too much of a difference for the milwaukee. But for every other brand the larger batteries have a huge jump in power.
@@willc5979 Yeah, I think Milwaukee really needs to come out with a new High Torque that takes better advantage of their newer more powerful batteries. On their Gen 3 Mid Torque, that 8.O really shines! But once again, it’s like it hits the wall with the 8 with little if any improvement when I go to 12. Course, I’m just going by “perception”, so it could be all in my head ; )
I love the dark mode graph! Please do this more often in the future
There on sale at Lowes at the moment, 6/4 buy the impact for $249 get a 8ah battery and charger free!
Only $250?
Wow. Quite surprised to see the Bosch bringing it to Milwaukee like this. Bosch & Milwaukee are both favorites of mine, with significant representation from each in my home shop, though I usually lean more to Bosch for corded tools and Milwaukee for cordless. Always glad to see good competition--consumers end up being the winners in that situation. Looks like a guy wouldn't go wrong with either of those two.
Very good 👍
In Germany the Tool is only selled with 8 or 12 amp Hour Batterie. Great Video
I love this channel. If you ever get time would love to see a little more on less powerful tools. Maybe more hammer drills, and impact drivers. Would be awesome to see if battery size and/or fakes batteries make a power difference on impact drivers. Since they maybe require less power than an impact wrench, i wonder if lower ah would make a difference. Anyway, great channel, can't wait to see it continue to grow, and get up there with project farm!!
RIGHT! For a good number of us, we don't really have to have a monster impact wrench, but need a compact impact driver that is mostly used in carpentry to put screws, and from time to time double at automotive repair or maintenance, on our plain family sedan, not a big truck!
I would love to see you test the freak / freak 2 with the 4 and 8 amp
Damn that 8.0ah battery KILLED it!
The dark mode graphs are amazing at night! Haha
Hay I love ur videos u the only one that test the impacts tge right way I was just wanting to no if u could get the bouer 1/2 impact 20v with the 5 ah battery at harbor freight to test that would be a good one to test
Apparently the GDS in the part number stands for Gawd damn, son!
GDS actually stands for Gewerblicher Drehschlag Schrauber 😉
@@mytoolbox871 Which in turn means commercial impact wrench
@@L393nd1 Ja das stimmt!
Interested in the Matco cordless. A co-worker has one and it is a beast! Interested in how it stacks up under some real tests though. Be warned, it kicks like a mule, not a Hitachi
Just use a high output battery as default for Milwaukee. I get the "package it comes in", but then that's not really all that fair for ones that don't have a kit and you automatically choose the best battery for it. BUT... Even with that being said, with the basic battery, she ain't no slouch ;)
Like you say though the Milwaukee has long stood the test of time, I love how it's overkill for most tasks, which is obviously why they haven't seen the need to bring out another gen just yet.
True tho. Cordless impacts above like 400Nm are completely nonsensical for most applications, and especially for home use. In the rare case the tourqe doesn't cut it, just use a big lever
Please test the ridgid R86211
Great to see someone unseat the champ. True it’s not apples to apples, but I think you have to use the 8.0 number because that is what the manufacturer recommends. That being said, I would love to see the same test with the Milwaukee 8.0 high output. Just to get a more accurate comparison.
Eventually I see a Bosch that performs on your channel. I started to get worried that Bosch fell off the wagon.
When Bosch upgrade the freak 2 like they upgraded their impact wrenches it'll be a gamer changer given what we saw with Man Caver Tools' gen 3 impact diver with the 1/2" anvil.
I first bought it in the 2.0Ah kit, couldn't take half the lug nuts off a car so i slapped a 6.0Ah battery and it was definitely stronger but still felt like it took its time. Luck so have it my combo drill finally kicked the bucket and Lowes had the kit with the combo drill, newer/"upgraded" freak AND two 4.0Ah Core batteries so i returned it and got the kit on Clearance for $120 i think. I was shocked both audibly and how strong the battery made it (hurt my ears). To be sure, as both have the same torque spec of 1800 in/lbs i slapped a 2.0Ah battery and sure enough it was far under performing the "1800 in/lbs" and the 6.0Ah battery felt like what the tool is rated for. I feel the Core batteries definitely put it over the "stock" numbers.