Meet the #1 Big-Rig Impact Wrench It's only 3/4" & Everyone Else Should Want 1 Too
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I used czcams.com/users/postUgkx4ynqaujg7rZKFapA8s29kTpRszJGa3-K this for the first time today to replace the front wheel bearing on my rwd 98 dodge dakota. This had absolutely no issue removing or reinstalling the lug nuts and it took off the axle nut without any struggle. Sounds like it's got some muscle to it. Time will tell
Yep, That 'Aussie' guy has always liked those 2.5Ahs over the 4s. He now uses the 4s mostly in his radio.
And 50k subs already!?! Congrats dude.
Haha, just yanking your Kiwi chain. Cheers!
@@TorqueTestChannel You Canadians sure like to kid around.
😅
Was hoping for a response 😁
@@TorqueTestChanneldo recommend going with 5.0 one over the 2.5 and 4.0
The D-handle is more of a life decision than just buying a tool.
At that price you ain't kidding
Not everyone can handle the 17.5 inch D.
Blood in, blood OUT!
@@cameronthomas5470 How good do you handle it?
Right
I drive a BigRig and was going to buy the $1300 Milwaukee 1” until I seen this video. That’s sure going to save me some money thanks for all the videos you post. It’s made a difference in some of the tools I had planned on purchasing.
We own both and would take the Makita for all the reasons mentioned. That said we live in an arid environment, if you often see a 1" air gun struggle with what you need then you gotta have the BIG D
Just get a 1/2 impact most milwaukee/dewalt/Makita handle the lug nuts with ease.
I've changed tires on semi/trailers for 6 years and bought my milwaukee 1/2 strictly for winters alone.
Not wanting to pull out a 1 inch impact with the temperature lol.
@Sniperofgods my milwaukee 1/2 inch is useless at undoing truck lug nuts, so I bought the xgt and it's still not as good as an air 3/4 but very close.
Imagine walking around all day with a 17" D, thing would be getting in your way all the time.
Appreciate the shoutout!! 🙂 Glad to have loaned the battery to y’all. Keep up the good work and looking forward to your upcoming videos. Congratulations on surpassing the 50K Sub milestone 🎉🎊🙂✌️❤️
This is good to know as a carpenter also. I have thrown quite a few big bolts 1/2”X12” lags in with the 40v makita drill with the 4.0 amp batteries. This is for floating shelves. The 40v which is reminiscent of the makita 18vxph07 just cooks the xph07 and the batteries last 2-3 times as long.
The issue that Milwaukee has always had since they went to the higher output batteries is their triggers. The triggers they use can’t handle the power of the larger cells. After about a year the trigger stops working. This isn’t that bad of you own 9 cordless drills and impacts like I do. But when it’s one of your only tools on site it’s a big problem. And it doesn’t just deal with the Milwaukee drills but their circs, sawzalls, etc…
Makita may not have the most ground breaking tools but in my opinion they don’t have the problems that dewalt and decker and milwaukeetti industries have. Also, there’s way more carpentry tools in makita lineup than in either of the other big name brands.
Except for a cordless table saw which makita has absolutely no interest in. I used to be sponsored by makita until I moved from the states to Canada
I'm glad I've held off buying a 3/4" gun so far. I think I'm going to buy the Makita.
My friend has the high torque 1/2" and I was surprised at how powerfull it is.
I don't work on trucks that often and if I need I have a Snap-on 3/4" ratchet with 70" handle and a big piece of pipe.
*Algorithm food, your channel deserves it!*
I love watching these videos even though they mean nothing to me. I’m already invest in Milwaukee batteries and have a Milwaukee 1/2 impact and don’t need another impact for my day to day use. I still love seeing new technologies come out
Thank you captain obvious. The XGT isnt about needing, its about wanting one.
@@pflaffik ... For most people.
Yup, everybody wins.
The next thing you need is a custom DC power supply so you can test the tools with unlimited power.
We'll do that
@@TorqueTestChannel I wanna see that setup I want it for my Milwaukee miter saw occasionally
@@WyattH they make miter saws you can plug into the wall already
Talk about best case scenario lol
So.....A big battery 😂
This actually made flexvolt make more sense. Higher voltage means less amps required. So you don't need the 21700s as much with an 80V tool
K Milwaukee.. Time for an update on that ole 3/4"..
BTW; The one I sent y'all is still going strong (as it can).. Using the 6ah batts.
I'm sure for 99% of all semi lugs the Makita is fine but you have to acknowledge that we buy tools thinking of whether or not it'll handle the other 1% that are rusty and seized. Because you don't want to get stuck without enough power to deal with those on a snowy day.
Plus the D-Handle makes you feel like Schwarzenegger wielding a mini-gun. :P
Cannot deny that line of thinking. Carry on sir!
Till you have to carry one or the other all day for work... :^|
Tools and Stuff is the Makita go to channel!!! Excellent video as always!
Yes, he has way more idea WTH he's talking about than us on anything Makita related
I suspect Makita has limited the current flow in the 4 amp/hour battery due to the possibility of over heating or run away current flow with the 21700 batteries.
Or the tool just doesn't need it
I would have to say, I need to see that 3000ft/ib Ingersoll Rand monster beating everything around, but I guess that would need few years to be done at this channel, great vid as always, keep going bro!
You exactly nailed the nail on the head on your explanation about wattage at the end because 40 volt dries less current the 21 cells aren't needed and comparison to the 18. Get an 18 volt it does make a difference and probably even yeah with the 24 volt
@@1pcfred the overall power output as shown by the graphs show a 18V and 40V tool running approximately the same power output. Therefore the current is clearly being limited by the 40V motor design or other ways. Again like I think you alluded to so the tool doesn't get too hot and burn up. With the 40v setup they obviously aren't taxing the cells current like 18v is doing. So 21 cells or 18 cells isn't gonna make much difference at 40v arrangement.
still waiting on the IR w7152
Sure would like to see the little guy Makita XWT14 tested.
Reason why I bought this Makita. Just to sit in my truck just in case of tire emergency. My Dewalt 1/2 inch takes cares the other business on the truck
Was going to mention Tools & Stuff and then you did, haha. He has been testing a lot of the 40v makita tools for the past year or so already.
How about testing one of the Dual Power (Corded / Cordless) Tools like the 36v Metabo HPT Impact Driver
My dad and I run an big rig road repair service; in fairness these times are fast. Very fast , but we use an old IR 3/4 D handle air gun we call the "tire gun" and we run 180 PSI out of a 280 gallon tank to it with an weighted socket and it'll buzz rusted bolts off in about 2-5 seconds and clean ones in under 1 or so, at least in my opinion also new it was much much cheaper then the D handle you're using. I think my dad paid roughly $700-900 for ours and we've abused the heck out of it.
I would like to see you guys run tests on the air 1" or 3/4" D handles you can buy but run as much PSI you're comfortable with to it.
Electric is sweet , but compared to the air , the price gap ' the power gap and "time-to-use" gap, (waiting 30 seconds for a air compressor to fill compared to waiting 30-90 minutes for a battery to charge)
Even If our air D handle doesn't make over 1200 LBS it's still $600-800 cheaper then the Electric D handle.
1200 still isn't nothing to sneeze at, at least not in my opinion.
@@ShainAndrews fair enough, our set up , is
$1800 compressor ( comes with all the air regulators and such pre equipped)
Tool $600-800
Hose $100
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Running electric would be
$1600 (tool)
Batteries $250 (newest, highest out put battery available) (prices very greatly)
You also have to keep in mind as you use the electric tool the power out-put falls off.
Air tool power doesn't drop off as long as you give your compressor time to keep up and even if it drops off from lack of air you're compressor can get you back into the game quick enough.
When you're battery runs out , you're waiting an while.
@@blecgaming9069 It's all about application. Air is still king for stationary work. Metal tools getting constant oil and an unlimited amount of air.
Mobile...well...you've gotta have a pretty nice VMAC to keep up with a 1" tire gun but it's totally doable. If you're working away from a truck, electric is the way.
Awesome content again TTC! As a Millwright in the Trades, I love my Impact Wrenches and recently jumped over to Team Teal with the release of the 40V line. I've been using their GWT04 for smaller jobs. I'm waiting on the release of the larger 1/2" GWT07, but that 3/4" GWT01 is a good looking tool with great specs, so it will have to go into my arsenal very soon. You need Teal color shirts dang it..... lol
Those dyno numbers weren’t what I was expecting at all. Strangely enough down here in Australia the kit comes with 4ah batteries, something I was pretty pleased about when I bought it. Ah well better grab a 2.5ah to go with the 40V right angle impact I’m hoping Makita release soon.
Been enjoying your channel. Im in the market for one of these. We have 4 trailer road trains here so plenty of opportunity for flats. At the moment when we buy a kit Makita gives a bonus grinder skin so happy about that. Keep up the great fun on the channel...cheers
Any way you can test how much power you loose with reducers? 3/4 to 1/2, and 1/2 to 3/8.
Great testing as usual guys! I can confirm that the only real noticeable difference in power when using XGT batteries comes from using the 5AH packs but they're just so huge and maybe not so impressive compared to an 18v tool with a larger amp battery. The 4ah will only give you more run time boo 👎 . Thanks for showing this!
I just want to see the D-Handle run with a 1.5ah battery because it's so dumb to even do so
That would have a solid 60 IPM.
Thanks guy's. Love the idea of an electric impact however I have a problem with it. As a logger I have to carry a spare tire, air jack, plug kit and bead setter. I would say in my personal opinion (which means jack Sh^t) that a 3/4 Air gun with a 50' long 3/8 or half inch hose real plumbed in to 2 quick connects on both on board air tanks is much more valuable than just having an electric impact. Not only can you air up your own tires or fill the bead setter to set a tire that's falling off the bead but you can use your air Jack and air gun. It would seem to be a more valuable system for around the same price as an electric impact.
Wow these guys bought themselves a semi truck for the channel. My gosh what will they buy next
a tooling factory to make quality tools.
Dewalt 20v use 21700 cells as well.
Masteringmayhem......my arch nemesis
I don't have need of the largest torque producing tools like allot do here , at the same time i will stick with Makita for the simple reason of build quality and longevity of their tools and overall balance built into each one and will be buying the new 18 volt 1/2" impact with vibration reduction built into them , as sisal great video 👍
Wow. Love the work to keep us paid!
i'm glad i didn't burn money on the 4ah batteries and just kept the 2.5ah that came with my makita kit.
Any chance you'll test the Makita XGT 1/2" Mid Torque (TW007G) against the Milwaukee Gen 2 Mid Torque?
Fastening:Breakaway of TW007G
(760 Nm: 1,100 Nm)
And *if* you do, I'd love to see the outputs at full battery, half, and 1 bar left. I'm hearing Milwaukee hits hard when battery is above 50% but drops off big time after that.
Amazing channel, love all that you do.
Y’all are doing gods work
Have you tried the new (BL4040F) 4 amp HO battery with any of the XGT stuff?
Thanks for the video
Great test! I am quite curious about the 1/4 drivers now, too.
I believe he has tested some of the 1/4" drivers, and broken the adapters... Unless I'm thinking of a different channel 🤷
I revised my Makita impact wrench lineup at my store because of your tests. Definitely happy with stocking the 18V Low and Mid torques, and just the "40V" high torque. From your tests I think for ½" drive the mid torque should suffice for most people who are already on an 18V platform. 18V High torque is now relegated to "special order" territory =P
PS: If I lived in the States or you in Canada I'd definitely be sending you tools I stock for testing.
how much does an old xwt08(?) their big 18v even cost? is the cost in the space it takes on the shelf maybe? an old design and maybe just cause ima tool nerd but they're 100usd new?
@@byloyuripka9624 The old 1/2" High torque 18V? In Canada they cost me slightly more then the new 18V mid torque, somewhere a little under $300 CDN. I don't think it's worth it for me to stock it when the mid torque is a much better value, and a smaller easier to use tool to boot. But if someone really wants it, I'll order them in the old 18V high torque
The 18v mid impressed but didnt really beat the mid waukee, didnt want to spend money on an old battery platform so i bought both the 40vMax mid and the 3/4", and threw in the 40vMax compact as well.
I believe those higher 4 &5 aH batteries will definitely be needed when you're using their 80v demolition hammers and 80v miter saws and other larger,more power hungry XGT tools. I think an impact wrench doesn't need that much amp draw from 40v but some other tools might appreciate the extra large can of beans
Its the other way around, 40v will need 50 amps for 2000 watts, with 80v you need only 25 amps to output 2000 watts.
Thanks! 👍👍
Its next next next next next next on my tools to get list. Oh and that huge Sunex socket set, you know the one, with wheels the box is so big.
This was a nice comparison. thx
We need this test with the heavy IR sockets and the 2AH battery. I would love to see 1100
Hey Makita Corporate, can you please reply to these guys with the tech? That sort of transparency benefits us all!
Very well Great content! Keep-‘me coming my man🧨⭐️⭐️⭐️
I use my Milwaukee 2863 to change my semi tires. 90% of the time there is no problem unless they was over tightened. The only problem was finding a 33mm 1/2inch socket.
With the memes too? 🤣 Had me rollin'
We don't have any problems storing our 1" torque wrench (an IR-280). It hangs from the shop ceiling. That way it's always handy (with a short boat hook to pull it down) and always stored away when it's not needed.
I think he was talking more about storing it in a semi or service truck.
He specifically mentions road side application multiple times
Dewalt really need to up their game with a flagship impact wrench, they've already got the battery platform!
My trusty old dcf899 is looking a little sad compared to the competition now 😂
High great video. I just purchased this tool. I’m new to tools with so many modes as this tool has. The instructions are , as usual , vague. The power level button is simple but the application modes are confusing me. I’m curious what mode you guys set the tool at when testing. Thanks
I know this channel is designed for large impacts and big power numbers, but I think it would be pretty cool if you could do some of these tests with 1/4” hex impact drivers showing inch pounds. I use a M12 surge 1/4 hex impact at work all day everyday. I know it’s not the strongest out there but it’s way quieter and has less vibration.
We do impact drivers. See the flex episode we tried out the surge
@@TorqueTestChannel I’ve seen a lot of your newer videos now I’m starting from the beginning. I’m on episode 10. I’ll get there eventually 😁
I have an IR 2145QiMAX 3/4" air impact that I could send to you for testing if you would be interested.
Love your vids guys! Glad to see you hit 50K subs… It’ll be 6x’s that soon…
So I can confirm the the 1/2 inch lxt high torque will remove the lugs off a hino roll back. Which is a 33mm lug nut. Didn't get to use it when we took the tires off our peterbilt road tractor due to only one battery pack being charged. So no spare
As of 04/21/23 my xwt08 took the lug nuts off a mack semi tractor. Through a 33 mm for 1 inch Anvil with a reduce to 3/4 then another reducer to 1/2 inch
I drive a service truck and i use the ingersoll rand 285b one inch air gun. It is 23 lbs but i only pay $500 for that gun. I like the Makita idea if the tool would last. That is my only concern about the electric gun. I would never pay $1300 for any kind of impact gun. I bought a bead breaker for $1300 but that is a different story! That tool is a must have fir farm tire work. Great video and you have sure peaked my interest! That Makita sure looks good and i think i would like the speed of setup if i am in a hurry. When a trucker is down because of a flat or busted tire, the three quarter gun would be fast! An example of the speed i deal with goes like this. If i come up on a trucker that has an outside drive tire busted, i give myself 10 minutes to dismount and mount a new or used tire. The way i look at is the faster i get that guy rolling, the less money he or his company loses for having the trouble. I have recieved some large tips $50-$100 just because i could get him back on the road faster than he can stop to use the restroom!
I really dig that "D handle"
Interesting, thanks TTC and MM 😎🤔😎🤔😎
I know it’s not a great tool but I’ve got a porter cable 1/2 that used to sell at advance auto and tractor supply that you guys could test if you wanted? Also love the content! 3 days watching and 90% of videos watched!
One of the best channels!!!!
I work on semis including tires consistently would this work well or should I get the 1 inch?
Makita 18 volt high torque 1/2" drive can remove tractor trailer lugs all day long, and has that over 500 foot pound torque to tighten them too.
Could you guys test the Makita XWT14?
really cool a cordless that small can do semi lug nuts
I hope you do a review video of the Metabo HPT WR18DBDL2, because I want to own it but see very few reviews about it on youtube, thank you!
Next episode try the 1" air impact from harbour freight
Good video thank you.
7:35 He's not Aussie mate, he's a Bloody Kiwi! 😂
😂 i knew it was waiting for someone to point that out
@@99unclebob he pointed it out himself 😂
@@99unclebob he pointed it out himself 😂
I have worked with various Li-ion batteries and have found that the large cell types have higher internal resistance. They will last longer but not hit as hard. The only way to get more punch out of equivalent voltage is to find lower resistance cells, Li-po tends to fit the bill. I'm curious if you where to rig up one of these tools with a Li-po how the numbers will change, using equivalent rated cells. Additionally if they are using less cells to reach the same Ah rating the parallel paths for current flow are reduced, reducing the overall output the battery can do at once before reaching thermal limitations.
incorrect
Could you pretty please test both pneumatic and cordless continuous vs burst trigger pulls?
Do you have a 3/4 air gun test if not I know I’d be interested in seeing one between a couple of the top brands AIRCAT, IR etc
Mastering mayhem is a great channel. Super nice gyy
Looking forward to seeing the New 40V TW005G and TW007G. Makita dropped them off for us to try at work and the TW005G is so small but there hasn't been a suspension arm or crank pulley it hasn't got off in seconds. Super impressive kit for the size. Also tools and stuff is from New Zealand.
We told him we were going to call him Aussie, just to poke him with a stick :P
@@TorqueTestChannel haha living life on the edge!
@@jaredbrierley2782 Those Canadians think they're funny.
@@TorqueTestChannelthank God for that better then being a gay red yankie doodle..talk like kermit the frog breath through ya nose!
I recently bought the rigid high tourqe octane impact after watching your video now I see this 😒.....🙄 Love the channel an videos
One thing I'm curious about tho that I suppose you guys might know is: how many big rig nuts aren't hidden behind those center hubs that make the extended anvils necessary? If those are super common, and losses from an extension severe enough, then this tool may not work for a driver to spare themselves even one roadside spare tire install call.
It's true that if I was an over-the-roader myself I would probably buy this (and a Husky 20t bottleneck, which is only ~$50), and pride myself on being able to swap my own spare in in a jiffy.
That is, if my trailer even has one...
Kinda want to see makita do an 80v d handle….
Holy !@#$, I finially found a review of battery impacts sutiable for an O/O to carry if they have the skills to swap out a tire. Thank you for this review. PLEASE update every 6 months to a year due to new stuff comming out all the time. I've been keeping an eye on this stuff due to my carrier keeps spares on the trailer. Being able to change one out on the road can save many hours compare to roadside or shop service.
As far as performace between 2 and 4 and other various amp hour batteeries with same voltage, there should be little performace difference unless they are overdrawing way too much current from the smaller pack and that will be an safty issue.
I appreciate the hell out of you guys. I'm an independent trucker, and I'm doing most of my own work. I'm spending $500 to do brakes when I'm perfectly capable, but have no tools good enough to break the lugs loose. I'm somehow disappointed with my clearance harbor freight impact. Trying to find the best mix of power/cost/space/weight/versatility is a lot easier with the information you provide. Thanks a lot!
How long is the work time you're getting under load with the 4.0amph battery?
Able to do a review of the seesii 3/4 gun? Kinda interested in seeing Wht it’ll do
When will you test 3/4 HILTI ?
Are there any videos of yall testing 3/4" air impacts. I'm a diesel tech and use 3/4" and 1" impact alot. I like electric but they don't handle up to the abuse of all the oil and grease. One of the hardest hitting 3/4 impacts seems to be the earthquake but getting tired of having to warranty it every 3 months. Aircat makes good one not sure I want to spend the $1200 off the strapon tuck. No one seems to compare/review any of the bigger air impacts. Bought a ingersol 2145QiMAX but it has no balls was a waste of money
You'll have to test it with the 5.0ah then, maybe it could hit 1,000 on the 10 second test in reverse.
That was why we tested this 4ah battery "It's gotta make more power right?". Not sure making EVEN MORE amps available to this tool is really going to churn more butter at the end of the day.
@@TorqueTestChannel the short clip you showed of the other channel with all the batteries implied that the 4.0ah is set up different than the 2.5 and the 5.0. I'm not very informed on battery cell technology so maybe it won't make a difference. Love the channel!
@@parkerdalo3248 That same clip also mentioned that Ah is only a measurement of capacity, not power output. It's the different cells that provide more current at once that companies traditionally put in larger packs with higher Ah. Kinda made some extra decision making when purchasing a battery other then "this one will last longer". It's nice to know that you don't have to worry about that with XGT, if you just need power but not endurance then you don't need to splurge and live with a heavier battery pack
@@parkerdalo3248 That guy from that other channel... whomever he may be... says that the 2, 2.5, and 5 use 18650's but the 5 uses 20 of them whereas the other 2 only use 10. The 4 uses 10 21700s. I have found in most tests the 5Ah puts out more "Grunt" than the others, but it depends on the tool. Makita have made the mitre saw put out the exact same RPM no matter which battery you use, yet on the 40v circ saws the 5Ah is noticeably better.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL the AH ratings always kind of throw me off. I have 1.5, 5, and 9AH packs for my milwaukee impact, I figured if they're putting out the same voltage into the same tool, they should have the same amperage and torque. Math is math. The speed difference between them all is ridiculous, and obvoiusly math is not math!
I suppose it's just the smaller capacity packs having a larger voltage dip as soon as you hammer on it?
Idea test the M18 or M12 surge I'm really curious to see what they do on the Dyno. Thanks I'm sure you've thought about it and had other posts on it.
We test it here, it doesn't dyno: czcams.com/video/HTGrYkF3khw/video.html
Is that 5ah available for purchase yet?
ha ha excellent channel. SUBBED. Now this is going to settle some arguement in the workshop!
Hey thanks!
Do rigid compact plz with 2 ah 4 ah and that sweet 3 ah Bluetooth battery u all have live the channel keep it up also do the battle of subcompact with the rigid love the rigid sub compact I use it everyday
The Ridgid SC has absolutely no business generating the power it does for its size.
have you tested torque sticks
I think this test shows that the 2.5 ah battery is able to put enough juice out to get the full potential out of the tool. It is strange that it is doing better than the 4 ah though..
I own a Japanese TD002 and was looking at the 2.5ah 40V battery, but I bought the 4.0AH because I found it for $150 on Overstock. It was only $10 more than the $140 2.5ah, i thought it was the better value although it is QUITE heavy on my impact driver.
I found the 4's invaluable for my xgt leaf blower..lol
How much of a killer is cold heat and time to a lithium battery.
All this is presented much more than expected
I haven’t had a Makita product in a while. Since my drill flashlight kit had a charger failure years ago.
Maybe it’s time to give them another shot at my business. Although not 3/4”, lol. No “heavy duty” work for me at this point.
Still Impressive!
Their 1/2" high torque is worth skipping. Their mid torque has all sorts of beans on tap though
Ill take a big red and a teal blue to go please.🙂
Wish the USA brands would adopt the German tool companies universal battery system.
That means less money for them…. So no they will never do that.
That would absolutely make no sense for companies like Milwaukee, who pioneered the 18v Lithium Ion Battery Technology. Their competitors have had to run two batteries simultaneously, to keep up with one Milwaukee battery. They’ve obviously put more R&D $’s into their battery platforms and want to reap the benefits, not share it.
@@martylucas8557 They absolutely did NOT pioneer battery technology. What you get in a Milwaukee is nothing compared to a legit purpose built lithium battery
@@DarkLinkAD They did pioneer putting lithium ion batteries into cordless tools. That’s why they won a lawsuit against SnapOn.
@@SergioPena20 Anyone can pay a judge, anyone can file a patent. They didnt invent jack.
I put rechargable batteries in my TV remote. It came with NiCa batts. Im some sorta pioneer..
It was mazing, but very strange experience
When I find a lug nut my impact won’t lossen. My go to tool is a torque multiplier. Then my Dewalt 899 finishes the job.
My torque multiplier is a piece of pipe tightly fitted on my Snap-on 3/4" ratchet or if it's too tight I swap the head over to the breaker head.
I don't know why though because the ratchet has warranty.... Meh the breaker head came in the deal.
And if the 899 can't do it, well, there's always thermite.