The Boys Crisis | Asmongold Reacts
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In the first 10 minutes the speaker said a million things about men but literally when he mentions single moms the audience erupts in applause, I think that speaks a lot towards mens problems.
everything up to that point was talking about men depression and suicide rates.. there was nothing to applause at up to that point in video tbh. later on they applause the more positive topics about men.
@@codyroach1268 Maybe, but in general it's still true that no one cares about average men. People only care about women and about exceptional men.
i noticed that. silence up to that point.
@@codyroach1268 it was total silence dude. no form of agreement or support whatsoever.
Best thing you can do as a man is transition MTF. The game is broken and no buffs or nerds are coming . Your class can't even get out of goldshire now. By becoming a women you purge your sins.
"A child that is rejected by its village will burn it down to feel warmth" - old African proverb
Pretty true, could care less if everything burns. Not gonna be the cause of it though.
i don't want peace. I want problems.
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Gul dan
This is why I sympathize with incels
The legal system is incredibly biased towards women, to the point that it's an actual joke.
My mother cheated on my dad when i was 8, he found out, she falsely accused him of domestic abuse and got full custody of me (she got full custody ONLY to spite him, she didn't care about me she just didn't want my dad to have me.)
This caused me to grow up without my dad, in an abusive household with a revolving door of "step-dads" that i couldn't leave.
My dad got into a serious depression over this and eventually stopped eating altogether and he died as a result. He was a good man, he didn't deserve any of this. Even 25 years later i'm bitter about this.
The only person who cared about this was my grandmother, everyone else in the family either didn't care or took my mothers side because she told everyone he was abusive without any proof.
Toxic femininity is very real.
Somehow this is not the first nor second time i've read this kind of comment. It's such a hard problem to tackle. Your mother problably had serious problems in her upbringing which were never resolved and that ended up poisoning the well for everyone around her. It's almost the same as wars, never ending cycles of hatred being perpetuated by their descendants.
@@memb. could we stop presume that women have always some "reason" or "issue" and that some aren't piece of shit?
@@xrosso6515 I wasn't trying to do that. And i agree with you and should have said at the end that fixing all that shit starts with taking responsability for their faults. my bad
@@memb. It was definitely not her upbringing as my grandparents were good people, strict but fair.
Any time anything needed to happen (like doctor's visits, dentist, school appointments etc.) they were the ones to take me.
@@memb. I don't care what upbringing she had. Let's suppose she had a bad childhood. So what? Boohoo, so sad, she is one of tens, if not hundreds of millions on the planet with that, yet not all of those people turned out to be pieces of garbage adults. Almost as if you have agency in your fate, and it's not all predetermined. I don't care about what problems she had, it's never a justification or excuse to cause misery for others and she, and people like her, absolutely should face consequences for their actions.
"Being a man in modern society makes you an enemy of almost every activist group out there."
Truer words
As a longterm female viewer, I was extremely caught off guard when the audience clapped for single mums. What is with the mum favouritism? I've seen some great dads lose their kids to shit mums because of the mother preference in court. My uncle committed suicide because he lost his kids to an absolute nutcase of a lady. Those two children now have nothing to do with their mother. We need to support families and I think that comes with really listening to men.
Because we have believe that the mom is more important because she carried the baby and we men basically did nothing. But to have a child it's both the dad and mom that do the job of giving the child a proper birth and growth. I nature if the mother that has a baby can't survive alone or can't feed there child alone of course this does of apply to all animals like birds or such since they have eggs.
It's femenism. If a man says something aligned with femenism, it must be properly rewarded. It's conditioning. Same thing happened to Jordan Peterson, when he had a talk and said woman are not cars. Everyone applauded.
LOL you must know my ex wife. I had to go through hell and she had to do some OBVIOUS EVIL for me to gain custody of my kids.
We need more people like you in this World
@@SSingh-nr8qz I've always wondered why people end up with extremely toxic people. Did the person change, were you just lonely so you ignored the behaviour or were you too deep in love perhaps? Wouldn't you know who you are marrying/having kids with after a few years of living together?
Postponing gratification only works if the person gets the reward at the end. If you show the person postponing gratification there is no reward at the end of it all, they fall into a deep depression. Guys are experiencing this first hand, the guys who went and studied for a job are being told they're average not good enough to beloved or to have a family and they're checking out. They do not want to live their whole life as a utility for someone else.
Bingo.
Very true. I work my ass off all the time it took me 16 years of absolutely working beyond expectations for me to finally be noticed. The same women colleagues who did the same moved up in 6 months to a year. No need to say that women are bad or anything I dont think that at all. But they are viewed as a better option vs the man who pretty much did extra for free. Even tho I never broke in my resolve its disheartening to think that others like me will break and not push as hard as they can and they won't succeed and may possibly give up on life. Its very sad.
why is this not the top comment
The best thing that men can do today is to not care about anyone else but themselves to improve their life. Get a family if you can, one that is worth it, and valuable friends, but at the end of the day no one is going to care about you or worry about your situation. Some might say that's being cruel, but that's just my own experience, and I didn't have it nearly as hard as a lot of other guys. Society and even a lot of parents simply do not care about raising their boys with love, understanding and the guidance they need.
when they study hard 5 years long only to loose the job to a female quota hire that has literally 0 gratification and than he sees that the other guys simply need ot do her job as well ot keep the shitshow running.
The way they clapped when he mentioned single moms. A presentation about the issues of boys and men, and yet the single mom part got the most applause. The conditioning is real man 🤔
I also noticed that. I’m sure if you speak with people from there after presentation, they still gonna blame men, and protect women at all costs. It’s just the way it is.
yall should chill and focus on yourselves...@@alexzzunderstudio
I feel stuff like that is based on society in general and that the stuff about single moms is more familiar or known to a lot of people. I feel like the talking of single dads isn’t spread much in society and that it is very different between single moms and single dads.
That's exactly what it is: conditioning.
One of my favorite commercials in the last couple years was a toilet paper commercial praising single moms...on Father's day.
@@biggamer7245 it is simpler than that, it is our biological lizard brain that does the "women and children first" thinking, and it does make sense in a wild place, now things changed with the modern and we need to find a middle ground
Women ignoring misandry reminds me of the people who say "you cant be racist towards whites"
It's VERY MUCH like that. Same with Feminists and Trans.
it's definitely a parallel narrative
Most people don't even know what misandry is, which says a lot.
Of course it exists and the reason most of the time is extreme misogyny and transphobia , like terrorism exists and the reason is colonialism and imperialism.
It's action and reaction , you can't expect people to stand and take it forever , the sad thing is that most of the time innocent people end up on the receiving end on those cases since the real oppressors are cunning and powerful so they can't be touched.
With my background and culture being from Haiti, I feel bad for how straight white men are being treated. Modern day white men have nothing to do with what happened to other groups of people in the past, but they get treated like they commit atrocities today. People always want someone to blame something on...
The clap at his comment about single moms proves that the audience wasn’t actually listening to what he was saying.
The fact he felt the need to throw that pandering statement in there in order to get his main point across is sad.
The fact that he felt the need to include that sentence is very telling. Thinly veiled "please don't attack me" sign directed at feminists.
Men are suffering... women most affected... Thats all I ever hear.
@@produceman13 that was hillary clinton right?
And he was saying some huge things. Quite saddening tbh.
It's actually nuts how often I've heard the phrase "toxic masculinity" but never "toxic femininity."
Rules for thee and not for me. That's what it is. It's tribalism at its worst where you blame another group for something but refuse to look inward to your own tribe to see if you are doing that same thing. Misandry is something women still believe is not real.
A more common term for toxic femininity is "Karen." I am pretty sure you've heard it.
@@foebok Karen is more reserved for a specific type of toxic femininity. Same as Nice Girls.
Part of a spectrum, not the overall.
@@SakuraAvalon i thought it was more of a boomer mentality where they feel entitled
@@foebok You need to watch more police body camera videos. Karens are tame compared to the variety if insanely different types of toxic women you will see on a weekly basis. You have husband beaters, Boss Girls, Daddy's Girls (the ones that call daddy to bail them out even though they ran over some people, punched a cop, and was black out drunk at the time), and my personal fav is mom's that use their kids as human shields.
Single Dads have it tougher than single Moms because they have less social support, they are less likely to receive child support, and there are less resources available for Dads.
Outcomes for single dads are almost identical to two-parent households. This is not a "one parent" issue. It's a "mothers don't know how to raise boys" issue.
And before anyone chimes in with their anecdotes about how their own single mom raised five amazing boys and forth, yeah, we know. Outliers exist. Stats are stats.
facts
Although, Single dad's have a much easier time on the dating market than a single mom with kids. For some women, being a single dad might even be a plus.
Single dad's statistically have far better outcomes things single moms without an ounce of the assistance single moms get.
@@courtneyharris1006 Have a resource for that claim?
It is shameful to think that many women think this man is spreading hate simply for acknowledging that being a victim of circumstance is not solely reserved for women.
Source?
@@pseudosanct5253it's the incel handbook.
@@stighelmer1265anything I don't like = incel 😂
I won't say that's not true, but focus on "many", meaning there's a minority that does. Value those woman above the other group that doesn't. That's how you make the bad half change into the proper thinking.
@@pseudosanct5253 you can pretty easily find women with extremist views on pretty much any forum or group dedicated to women because naturally they aren't quick to shut it down, even if other women recognize it being a problem they get shunned.
Im a single dad, with custody of my daughter and i can honestly say its NOT as hard as a narrative women have driven. Its definitely harder for a man raising the children because we dont have the backing from the judicial system like they do. My ex owes over 30,000 and they wont do anything, flip the script and my ass would be in jail. The hardest part about it is when you dont have the other parent being finanacially responsible.
You can't say that it's not as hard as women make it out to be, because there are plenty of women out there who are in more dire circumstances than you. I'm also sure that a bunch of single fathers would say it's extremely tough because again, their circumstance is different.
@@jessbellis9510 whoosh, his point went right past you
@@jessbellis9510 I think it's kinda funny that there are ppl who invalidate the OPs opinion abt this subject but validate the opinions of single mothers it's interesting. Now if op was a women and had said the same thing abt fathers I am sure everyone would be agreeing but since the OP is a father and talking abt single mothers it's wrong. Interesting to see how far ppl agree with a opinion they are biased towards.
@@sanchaykubal1212 It's perfect example really.
The talk about rough-housing can be seen in dogs as well. You can tell a dog was separated from the rest of the puppies too early because they don't know how to play bite and gently grab. As a puppy if they bit too hard or got too rough the other puppy would stop and not want to play anymore. So the dog learns to be gentler. The result of early separation is a dog that gets in trouble because when play fighting they end up biting down and starting a real fight and causing injury.
Early separation from the parent (usually mom) for puppies contributes to this. There's videos you can watch online where puppies after 8 weeks start to get tougher discipline from mom, where if one puppy plays rough and might hurt another mom steps in and barks and snaps at the puppy. That's how the puppy learns to play nice. Not sure how this applies to human households, it might in some manner, but extrapolating animal to animal relationships to humans is not always accurate enough to make good conclusions (i.e. ideas about "alpha wolves" being totally incorrect to how actual wolf pack social structures work in the wild have convinced some people to behave like "alphas" when it's not even a real phenomenon).
@@seabasswallyworld the term "alpha" describes a set of behaviors and place in a social hierarchy, just because it can't be applied to wolves, doesn't make the term invalid.
@@LordHerek It does in the context it's been used most often.
@@LordHerek The term alpha is actually invalid overall to a wide range of animals including humans. Its outdated misinformation.
@@seabasswallyworld Alpha wolf is deemed invalid among wild wolves because wild wolves gather in family units where conflict is minimal because offspring are not challenging their parents. It does present in captive wolves who are no longer grouped in family units. Since humans frequently do not organize in family units, it does apply to some social organization in humans (particularly in male-only spaces; prison, military combat units, gangs).
Notice how every time someone talks about men's issues they always have to pay lip service to women's issues in order to be taken seriously. Like what the fuck are we doing? The constant downplaying of men's issues in general is how we got here in the first place.
It's madness. And a good indicator for the general mental state of the Western world these days.
Neither women nor men care about men's issues until it affects them personally.
It’s almost like we have compromise to co-exist…
@@timproc9355placing the other on a pedestal is not a compromise
It's either that or someone will try to steal the spotlight and change the discussion to be about women's issues.
I work as a teacher for 16-18yo, and pretty much every kid i have ever seen with problems comes from a home where the dad is not much involved or absent for one reason or another. This exact subject came up during a family dinner and i pointed out my experience and explained why dads are important. My sister (who is very much a far left feminist type) got angry at me because "A women can fill this role just as well as any man". She was perfectly happy to agree that women had an important role of their own and that dads had huge problems filling that role if the mother was absent, but when it came to the dad's role he was not really needed according to her. Sadly i see this kind of thinking more and more out there, and i find it insane that a lot of people actually think that men and women dont compliment each other. That it is not beneficial and even important to have both genders thrive and partake.
> "A women can fill this role just as well as any man".
That is still an unknown. We don't have sufficient data to say one way or the other, though what there is leads toward gender being rather unimportant.
What is known is that _one parent_ can't fill two roles. That is, two moms - or two dads or two any other gender (probably) works just as well as traditional mom and dad, but one mom does not.
Which honestly should be obvious. One person having to do two jobs is not going to be as effective as two people doing two jobs. And that can absolutely be extended - and perhaps should be extended in the modern era of two-income households where both parents are working and we're back to nobody raising the child. Taken to its fullest extreme we get back to the very, very old African proverb: "It takes a village to raise a child."
If we really want to address this problem its not going to be done by banning divorce again (which is the usual end game for these speeches - the guy in the video didn't go that route thankfully - a pleasant surprise). Banning divorce won't really fix anything - kids raised in a house where mom and dad are constantly threatening to murder each other don't usually end up being all that well-adjusted either.
The more likely outcome of banning divorce is that women will just get even less interested in getting married (whether or not they choose to have kids) because they won't want to risk being stuck in a horrible situation. Banning divorce "worked" when women had no other choice in life but to be subservient to an income source, but that is no longer the case and even in the red pill circles there isn't all that many calls to have women out of the workforce again (probably because they couldn't afford a non-working wife on their income even if some woman was willing to put up with their shit).
No, the solution is to increase household sizes. Whether that's in the form of promoting multi-generational households in some manner (maybe less taxes on suites if you rent to your family? Who knows) or promoting multi-partner relationships (though given that much of the men's rights push is constantly coopted by religious nutters, that might be a hard sell).
Or at the very least, maybe stop throwing so many men (especially black men) in jail for stupid reasons like minor possession charges. You can't be a good dad behind bars no matter who you are.
to add another wrinkle consider the phrase "it takes a village to raise a child" is based on our evolutionary history. the nuclear family is a recent invention that has insidiously supplanted the traditional extended family in most western countries. i say the extended family is traditional because it is the way our species evolved to raise our young, with all manner of aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, and family acquaintances contributing to the make up of a human tribe and thus partaking in care-taking duties for the young i.e. a bigger support system. the nuclear family strips that away and replaces it with something more profitable (to businesses) but far less self-sustaining (for the family).
@@altrag Actually, what evidence we have shows that the point is completely bullshit. We have tons of statistically data on the results of single parent households. Single fathers have kids who are FAR better off than those of single mothers.
As a conspiracy theorist, I honestly think this is a result of world govs pushing for population control by reducing interest in heterosexual relationships globally.
Homosexual couples are good for population control because they have to go through a different process to get a child and that process is a lot easier to manage.
I imagine in the future we will have gov approved and certified baby factories that have a strict selection process for parents.
In other words, get ready for cyberpunk clown dystopia.
I'm so sorry to hear that your sister is under the hold of that pervasive ideology! It is absolutely untrue!
I can't even imagine trying to raise well-rounded and healthy kids without a husband... I would love to be a wife and mother, but that's becoming increasingly difficult in this day and age--at least with finding someone compatible and not checked out from dating.
I feel so sorry for the kids that grow up without a mom and a dad both. It really is such a setback in life. Both roles are vital.☹️💕
Funny how a man gets called an incel instantly for speaking up about mens problems.
Only if the only problem they talk about and dwell on is access to women. Men have alot of other things they could talk about, like how to be likable, kind, empathetic, loving an productive.
@carmeld45 not even close. People get called names whenever they threaten the ego of the agenda-touting dogmatist.
@@carmeld45 ahahahha wait, so men have to talk about how to be likable, kind, empathetic, loving an productive. And women talk about "you're beautiful the way you are, slay queen". Are you fucking kidding me?
@@carmeld45 In other words how to be easier target to exploit as well as in addition one that will be willing to go past inadequacies and bad choices that women make.
I remember being raised by my mother, alone. She spent twenty years trying to convince me my father was evil, and when I spent just a week with him after all this time I realized that she simply hated him. Hated me because I reminded her of him, I'm very alike to him, and he's a genuine, and great man. It is only with time away from her I realize just how terrible and chronic the sustained cruelty she showed me was. I thought she was just doing her best until I escaped. But it turns out blackmailing your son and screaming at him constantly because he doesn't care about life isn't a good solution. She wondered why I stayed in, played video games all day, didn't shower (Basically lived like asmon without the money tbh). I was a wreck in my high school days because of one simple factor: There was no winning. If I did well I was punished harshly. Beaten, yelled at, kicked out a few times because I didn't do good enough. If I did bad, things would be broken, I'd have the things I valued in the house taken away and she wondered why I stopped caring. I remember the time she grounded me until my grades improved (Sitting at about 80% at the time, easy pass), so I tanked them. I refused to do anything at school, I over a period of 3 months went from 80 to 30 on bad behavior, lack of attendance and absolute refusal to work. Just to make a point I almost gave up my future because I didn't think I had a future. I was so fucked up at that time, I had not only considered suicide, but I thought I'd be dead by the age of 25.
Now I'm 27, living with my father as he ages, ready and happy to take care of him when he can no longer work. Six years in, I love my father, I love myself and I have not spoken to my mother again. I've only seen from afar as she is alienated by the entire family, her own mother is dead and she had no one to lean on or turn to in this time. She has not been called by me, visited, nothing. I have no intentions on ever speaking to that abusive woman ever again, and I will watch in a schadenfreudic satisfaction as her life unravels, and it is no fault of anyone but her own. Six years of radio silence from both of her children has not taught her a thing or made her think she's the problem. She thinks instead my father brainwashed me, when in reality I just had space to reflect when I wasn't being constantly threatened or beaten by her. I remember the nightmares of waking up one day back in that house, this last six years being a cruel dream. But I've stopped having those nightmares. I only have good dreams now.
Fellas. There IS light on the other side. If you can possibly escape the abuse you suffer, you will be better for it. Remember that you have a future. You have a tomorrow. Pick yourself back up, dust yourself off and remember...you don't have to be successful today or tomorrow. You can live day by day, but the tomorrows keep coming. You'll be fine one day, so fight for the day you can smile, and know that not everyone in your family will hurt you.
I'm sorry man, I'd bro hug you rn. Don't dwell, swell❤
Powerful story brother
Man that is a powerful story, thanks for sharing, even if it helps 1 person it was worth the discomfort of revisiting that part of your life.
@@s3p4kner it'd all fine now. I'm pretty much over being hurt about it because...I just have my own life to live now. I don't have to just survive, and that's brought me more joy than anything money can buy
I don't care what anyone says but people need fathers, I'm not discounting all of the good moms out there, but men and even women just need that other dynamic in their life. It really is becoming a crisis that's being made political unfortunately. Especially seeing as how the people in this video clapped when he brought up single moms... like that's not something to be proud of. Those who do it and do it well are heroes, but we shouldn't be striving for single parent childhoods.
For those who do not know (or are too young to know), it was a bit of both Warren Farrell and Erin Pizzy (former OG feminist) who laid the groundwork into the crisis that men were undergoing under the new age of feminism. They were speaking outwardly about the problem before even Jordan Peterson came unto the scene. Famously, one of the conferences Warren Farrell had addressing the high rate of suicide among men, were brigaded and shutdown (via fire alarm pulling) by radical feminists where the occupants of the talk were hurled insults when some of them just attended to find out what drove their male friends to suicide.
i didnt know this before and would of never known this if i didnt read your comment today thank you so much.
The movement needs to address this toxic subset openly; I don't feel welcome in feminist spaces as a man (even if them and I are in agreement, at least on paper) and when I've attempted to add men's issues to the conversation, it is received with eye-rolling and diminutive remarks, even when I use a feminist lens to discuss them.
@@sirnonapplicable Most (not all) feminists only pay lip service to the idea of helping men, even in cases where men are blatantly being discriminated against. Most feminists are simply female supremacists.
@@sirnonapplicable I've never had that experience in feminist spaces. All of the feminist CZcamsrs I follow openly acknowledge that sexism/patriarchy bites men in the butt too. For example, Laina K talks about Men's issues every Monday and has for some time.
How kind of those radical people to show the others why their male friends decided to not live anymore in turbo mode.
I think Asmon hit the nail on the head. Increased social isolation has hugely negative effects of young men and boys. And like he said, how many of you actually know your neighbours nowadays. 20, 30, 40 years ago everyone basically knew your entire local community, so if boys didn't have a father, he would often at least have a father figure. But now community isn't a thing. So no wonder there's loads more antisocial weird boys and men out there.
I do have to say I agree, I don’t know my neighbors names I’ve talked to them a hand full of times just like a quick like hey how’s it going, but outside that don’t really talk and just live in peace which is fine, but to another point being isolated I do blame Covid and the lock downs for that because it really pushed the self isolation so that is a factor on a problem that existed but was made worse because of it
I used to know my neighbors in my childhood. Still miss Rico and his wife
It's not like young men are self-isolating without reason, i know it's hard for women and privileged men to understand this vast majority of men don't have financial support or opportunities to live wild from 15 to their 30's, this existence is a luxury not the norm.
There's also for some of us, there were no neighbourhood kids for us growing up. Half of my life I spent with the only person in my age bracket was my own sister, no neighbouring kids to hang out with. Even when that no longer was the case, it was only one extra kid and then another who was far younger than the three of us. So... kinda just doesn't feel like something to bother with even as an adult, though perhaps my own anxiety and experience being autistic affected that too...
Those first applauses were so inappropriate and definitely highlighted one of the issues society is facing. He talks for several minutes about really heavy stuff regarding boys and young men in complete silence and then he mentions single motherhood once and the crowd erupts in applause... like wtf.
Misandry is just the norm in our society now, and that was a clear illustration of it.
He's speaking to elites and academics. Who despite all their education, are usually some of the most close minded people you will ever meet in your life. These people were taught under the pursuit of feminism which means they will always value the female over the male, doesn't matter how horrific a story a male has it must somehow be his fault, as to go against how they were educated is sacrilege.
first of all, "western society" not just society. And second of all, why are you surprised? Western culture is literally gender swoped afghanistan culture
@@dergunter1237 I think for child custody, the kid often goes with the father in divorce since he's the bread winner. Or if the kid goes with the mother, then the mother mostly takes care of the expenses. But afaik, there's no real kid goes with the dad, mom pays for child support and dad gets most of the wealth. Which means that it's possible there's some ways it's worse being a guy in USA than a woman in Afghan. If nothing else, western media will bend over backwards to show the women in a sympathetic light. No media anywhere gives a **** about men anywhere, except to show how it's all men's fault.
@dergunter1237 western society is not gender swapped afgan society.
Afgan society is patriarchal geocentrism. They look down on women but they still value and protect them. They patronise women like an extreme verision of an overbearing parent.
Western society looks down on men but does not value or support men.
This results in some ways better and some ways worse for the looked down on.
the boys crisis. women most affected.
The fact that they clapped for single mom's leads me to believe almost the entire audience missed the whole fucking point of the talk. Welcome to the modern generation. Audience was probably 2/3 modern feminists and divorced women.
So that would be the exact type of audience this message was catered to / directed at, wouldn't it? Perhaps he reached some hearts and minds there!
@holysecret2 No chance he's a man, women don't listen to men these days. Men have completely conceded ALL social ground, any man taking a stage these days is a fool wasting his time. Women fix this or it doesn't get fixed, period.
Or to put that another way our culture has no father, mothers not doing to do shit, our culture is completely fucked and we'll be LUCKY as a civilisation if the Arab and Chinese worlds can stabilise, we probably just rot and are eaten alive.
Interesting fact is this Arc conference was put together by Jordan Peterson and filled up with speakers of his choice, the audience is likely to be mostly people already sympathetic to JP and people like him. All the more astounding they reacted most strongly to the one comment affirming women.
@@TheAcad3mic One of Jordan Peterson's essential points that influenced my outlook on life and the world was that despite all major developments, all vast societal and worldwide issues, the ultimate responsibility and potential lie within the individual. No matter what wrongs other people are doing, or what rights they should be doing, you should always be your own person and improve your own life as well as the lives of those whom you can positively influence.
If theoretically everyone followed that philosophy, we as a species might achieve an approximation of paradise.
Now, that's almost certainly not going to happen, but that should not stop you from trying to be the best you can be. You can derive this mindset both religiously (do unto others as you would have done unto you), or philosophically (for example Kant's categorical imperative).
It is a universal truth that no matter the failings of others, you always have the responsibility to improve yourself and present (and incorporate, or manifest) your best self in the world.
@@holysecret2 a man, talking about male issues? The only thing they remembered was "single moms". The rest, didnt even listen to.
Society: Talk about the crisis in boys. The first applause is for single moms.
And thats why this society will not exist in the next 20 years as men and boys are checking out.
the audience seemed like they didnt like that, except from the part about single mothers working hard.
"all this stuff about boys"
*Yawn
"girl power!"
*Seal clap
Well, the part about single mothers was one of the few positive stories he talked about. I wouldn't read too much into that, honestly. For all you know, the audience may have listened emotionally and heavy-heartedly about the male suffering, and jumped at the opportunity to applaud a positive stat or fact he mentioned.
@@holysecret2You know that's pure copium. You seem smart and analytical, but you know full fucking well what you say here is the highest cope.
@@TheAcad3mic My conclusion might or might not be cope, but it is factual that the single mom part was the first positive thing he said. So whether or not it is correct, it is a 'fair' conslusion to draw. Whenever things are unclear, I like to err on the side of harmony. Because I would hope the other side to do that as well if I'm the one who is in question, you know?
@@JanitorScruffy what do you mean? they claped when he say alot of young man kill themself
14,000 hours of gaming before they are 21
Asmongold “that’s not that much”
😂😂😂
Did some math: it’s about 6.5 hours a day everyday from 14 - 21. Mind you, according to him this an average
You can basically become a pro violinist in that time, for example. Or in any other fields actually. That's a huge amount of time.
@@FunFestTV-tx6cqexactly, you can change your entire life with 10,000 hours. For good and for bad (example playing a ton of video games with no real benefit outside of entertainment)
Not judging, I’m very guilty
@@FunFestTV-tx6cqThat's good example but the way he used the statistic was dumb especially considering those hours were probably accumulated while also attending school and you can't grind out a degree at your own pace normally unless you find a special online course or something.
What are you talking I start playing games since 7.
That may not be good for health
So many things in this video prove the point. When one chatter said that men are the enemy to alot of activist movements, everyone called him an incel (proving the point). Single moms got the most applause in this video about fatherless households being the problem. Men's issues are so incredibly stigmatised that you're either called an incel or pussy for bringing it up (and not just by women, but other men too).
But I personally have hope that those fatherless men that make it through to the other side will be great Dads. I personally feel a yearning to provide my future children with the experience that I personally missed out on. I just hope we can break the cycle eventually.
I think everyone here forgets the fact that single moms are 10x more likely than single dads. I don't just mean in the courts where a dad wants custody and they deny it. No. I'm talking where the dad just yeets out of there because he doesn't want a kid. Women rarely leave their own kid, likely because they can't even do that due to pregnancy re-wiring their brains essentially.
I don't think single dads are worse than single moms. I just know that there are more single moms than single dads if we go on the idea that in this scenario the dads generally leave the mom due to not being ready for kids/family.
you're right lol.. tbh I think men are more likely to shut you down for having feelings or being vulnerable too (not that women dont do it too) . Maybe it comes from being hurt in the past so they feel the need to shut you down? like in a way your feelings are making them relive feelings in their past so they just tell you to suck it up idk.
i find it unlikely (but not impossible) that boys raised without a dad will become good fathers themselves without being shown how by their own.
I grew up without a dad pretty much my whole life, im not a father so i cant say ill be a good one but if i was i would want to be everything my father wasnt for me. that can be a good driving point for men who want to be fathers but its hard to understand what goes through the mind of alot of these guys. I think therapy can help but not without the willingness to actually do better. @@jamespadgett8660
Because that is a legit incel take. No one worth listening to hates you for being a man. Get off of twitter, and you'll see how much of an incel take it truly is to think you're hated for being a man 🤦♂
"Children of single mothers can turn out fine."
Continues to list out awful people.
The dating scene atm (especially on apps) is literally like how wotlk gs requirements were and destroyed social dynamics. "Link achiev or gearscore" to get your foot in the door for raids is the same as women asking what your income is and how tall you are. If you don't meet their bare minimum, most of the time you just get ignored. Even though hypothetically you could of had great chemistry together. Sad times we're in.
Dog idk what youre talking about lmao, I moved to a new city and was at 240 matches 2 weeks in, i think its just a you problem
@@iHaz2Krayonz and then you woke up all sweaty
@@iHaz2Krayonz Survivorship bias. I am happy for you, really. But for every 1 of you succeeding, there are dozens that fail.
@@iHaz2Krayonz i visited my parents for half a year in another city, and i matched even less than possible. Seems like an only you solution. Clap clap go ahead, you probably are a chad and don't even know it, as usual. Ignorant of reality because chadding is the only thing you know and you think everyone has the same experience mostly. Wrong
@@iHaz2Krayonz None of that happened, did it?
It's weird to be a guy nowadays. You kinda feel silently oppressed just by existing. It's like you feel that girls just think you're worth less. It's also kinda scary to just be a guy, like if I'm alone with a kid at a bus stop I get nervous as fuck that people will think I'm a pedo. If I walk behind a girl on the sidewalk, I'd rather stop and wait to not have them assume I'm a creep. It's so fucking weird... Life has been cold and lonely last few years. I don't want to be ashamed of my gender but I am.
It doesn’t help that some people automatically wish death upon you for being male
i get this ALL the time. I would rather wait just not to have to share a staircase with a random woman because I want nothing to do with their BS.
That is not healthy brother, you seem very brainwashed. I hope you can break the conditioning and get out of your own head soon!
@@jethrovaningen He's not brainwashed. A woman can just scream help while pointing at an innocent man and a bunch of white knights will instantly flock to surround the guy. The "believe all woman" bs is so entrenched in society that it's just a defense mechanism for men to be cautious around women.
Really sorry to see you feel this way. I mean, personally I am happy when someone is kind enough to think about how maybe I could feel uncomfortable at some point - when walking too close f.e., which can feel intimidating in some situations. So in that sense I think it's really kind that you are considerate of this. But I'm sad to see that it would not be so much out of courtesy /empathy, but maybe feel pressured into it out of anxiety for social reprecussions. It shouldn't be that way, but not sure how that can be changed. Honestly, there is a responsibility for the girls/ women in this case too. If someone stands too close, I can point it out to them in a normal way, and ask to please have a bit more distance because I feel uncomfortable, I don't accuse anyone of anything. Only when a person is persistent after that, I would get a bit louder. In case of a sidewalk, I can also pause to let the person pass instead, so they are in front of me, because obviously they can't read my mind to know if I'm uncomfortable. Not sure if it's just women or people in general, that attack or accuse other people more quickly now, without actually trying to have a normal interaction first. But don't be ashamed of your gender. There is no personality called 'men', as well as there is no personality called 'women', rather think of each individual.
His suggestion toward the end will never work. There was a (old time) feminist scholar which posited that if women take more traditionally masculine roles(i.e. primary earner, career focused, etc.), then they have to learn to be attracted to men in more traditionally feminine roles (i.e. staying home with children, or doing homemaking stuff). But in reality, women don't seem to respond to that well, and hypergamy results in them abandoning what they view as a 'worthless', 'unmotivated', or 'under ambitious' partner for someone more their peer in success, or better.
Simply put: Mr. Mom ain't sexy.
I do believe there are a good few men who would be fine with being the one staying at home and keeping the place in order. Can't remember exact cases, but I think I also heard some actual couples where this does ring true, so there is hope there... it's just that an overwhelming majority (From what is observable given I have never dated anyone ever) don't seem to be open to the idea of a man taking up the roles that they chose to abandon
Go 6 figures into debt.
Or
14,000 hours of gaming.
Hmmm... hard choice!
But who will serve up intellectually stimulating conversation with my coffee if not for liberal arts majors
The difference is that debt can get you a high paying job and great women. Video games are just entertainment.
This is by no means an endorsement of college
I think this is a joke but if not this is a weird way to cope
14000 horor I alread have I'm 17 in smash bros alone I have 1000 hours
@@DadsCigaretteRunthey're not great if the requirement was a mountain of debt and high salary. That's a gold digging who're
I remembered a lady friend wishing she was born as a man bc she didn't want to deal with her problems. I told her she would just be changing one set of problems for another, and she wanted to argue about it. Everyone has issues, it doesn't matter what gender or whatever someone is, and arguing about who has it worse does nothing to solve anyones problems. I wish ppl would realize that and just help each other instead of jocky for position and degrade others for being born something they had no control over.
People are way too suspicious of everyone and independent-driven to rely on or "help" others lol
@Cerealcasual I'm sorry for whatever you have experienced in life for that to be your initial reaction. "No man is an island." When someone comes to understand this phrase, they can truly start to become more and have more. For me, I realized doing everything myself, only for myself, is the road to despair.
@@JB0007 not saying that's me lol. Just saying that's how "help" is viewed in the West.
I went through this too, I thought if I was born a boy I wouldn't have been sexually abused by people as I have been. I hated myself.
But I found it not productive at all. I built myself up as a woman and learned to love being a woman without resenting being one, or having false envy of men.
Each gender has their own issues, I just need to focus on mine.
who doesn't want to have the fear of getting r*ped all the time lol
I had a great father, but I still struggled a lot in my life with a lot of the problems outlined here. But I would never have solved my problems without my dad, and I have nothing but respect and admiration for him for putting up with me and raising me right. He wasn't perfect, but nothing in life is.
I only hope I can be as good of a father in my own way as he was for me.
I grew up with a father that beated me whenever I had poor grades. Eventually it led to emotional abuse in my teenage years where he would drive me to school telling me how useless I am and how the world would be better if I killed myself. I played video games to escape and around 20 I dropped out of community college fell into deep depression and tried killing myself twice. When my mom found out she was heartbroken while my dad told me he was just trying to make me have thick skin. I’m 28 yrs old now and I still find it hard to even sit in a car with my dad. I usually just sit in the back seat and have my mother or brother sit in front. I can’t stress how important a father figure is in a child’s life. Everything I experienced growing up is the guideline not to do if I ever decide to have kids.
Are you asian per chance? 🤔@@Astelch
As a 42 year old that has seen more opportunities and more attention in the last 5 years than ever in my life. I can confirm, we are a late game build.
37 and I can start to see this change in the last 1-2 years. I've had more people come to me for advice and info, and even comments of "you'd be a great dad".
That's mostly because the boomers are finally all dying off.
Then again...what the fk is the point of starting your life at late 30's or 40's?
Game's almost over at that point. You got dude's out here dropping in their 30's of stress related heart attacks. And that's if the drugs and alcohol don't get them first.
At this point, might as well just enjoy the decline.
100% i hit 30 and my pace has been improving and improving.
I’ve come to realize this and I’m only 27 I’m still in the mid game 😂
A point I've always argued is that we're socially 'required' to have our fun early and be settled later in life. So even though we get our fun in our later 30s and 40s, we can't have that fun, because we're married and have kids and a family. Unless you're a lucky dude early in life, you don't ever get to have the play
As someone who has attempted suicide a lot, there is a fundamental misunderstanding in regard to mental health.
For myself and my friends who have moved on, the #1 problem is ENTIRELY economical. There is no decent job for someone fresh out of high school, and the role models we have all tell us how easy it is, because they bought a house at 19 years old.
It doesn’t matter what choices or mistakes we make, as long as we have the resources to learn from them. There are NO adequate resources for single parents, or college students trying to pay for their own tuition.
DING DING DING
There are literally millions of open trades jobs which one can begin an apprenticeship in highschool.
@@chesterlestrange7725 As an electrician, this is demonstrably false. Most states have overly competitive non-union companies that underbid to get jobs, and hire staff that match. Even union companies start out apprentices at 50% of a JW wage, which now is often less than fast food or retail pays as a starting wage. Graduates can’t often afford to be an apprentice, and some companies still don’t reimburse your education.
Can you make more, more quickly as a tradesman than as a retail employee trying to fight into upper management? Yes, probably, but “the trades” aren’t fixing the fundamental issue. Companies will hire you for a big job and lay you off a month later the second you’re not needed.
Can never talk about mens/boys problems without mentioning how it affects women. Its all about the woman in the end…
The easiest justification for any side that seeks advantage over the other is to vilify and dehumanize the "other". Unfortunately, when your entire argument makes that its foundation you simply can't backpedal without undermining your entire movement.
I mean I feel u bro but the ending message of the video was if one gender fails both do. I think part of the problem is constant conflict between genders, theres nothing wrong with him talking about both men and women after all he was talking about how parenting effects men and well... usually a mother and father raise a child
This entire comment field is continuing the issue tho. This issue started to begin with, by trying to blame issues on one specific gender, instead of take responsibility for what is happening. Blaming anyone for something because of their gender, when gender roles are as fluid as they are now, just encourages the issues causing it to begin with to continue.
And yes I am talking from both sides here. Neither "side" is winning as long as people keep "blaming" the other "side".
@@LilyMrrggltonyou're delusional.
@@SmartCreeper The message wasnt for you, and its clear when thats all you are able to respond with. Especially so when my comment was neutral, not with any "side". I didnt specify a side as "picking a side" in issues like this just breeds toxicity, doesnt solve anything.
Seen several others pointing out the same back when I commented. You dont stop issues involving 2 sides, by ignoring one side. That just moves the issue, resulting in this happening again, and again, back and forth.
Im not delusional, its historically proven.
If education is an answer then having all scholarships be exclusively for women needs to end.
indeed. One of my favorite way of pointing out that feminism has become a female supremacist movement is to say that even though already more women go to university, still we have female-only scholarships. And feminism is quiet about that.
Yeah that's crazy. What, 60% of all college attendees are women, I'm pretty sure they outnumber men drastically in graduates, yet they still receive the vast majority of support.
@@lightworker2956 feminism is about the benefit of women. That's the entire point of feminism. Any and every advantage they'll take.
I've felt a lot of social issues from the second I stepped out of school. Being semi-grown up at the time, I was turning insane from living at home, so I was desperately looking for an appartment.
Where I'm from there's this 'queue' system where one day in queue equals one point. Required points for the shittiest overpriced miniature appartment? 1800. Just about 5 years just to bid on one.
So, turning partially insane and doing my absolute utmost not to treat my parents badly (when I'm the actual garbage in question), I kept working and checking every apartment site in the city daily.
Result? It didn't take 5 years. When 5 years was over and I managed to get the top bid on a terrible 25 square single room apartment, my priority was lowered by a war immigrant.
So, I didn't get that apartment, it's fine, that person has nowhere to stay whatsoever so it's fine. 5½ years had gone by, I won another bid - this time for an actually great apartment of 60 squares.
I lost the bid again, this time because a woman in a feminist group had left her boyfriend. Was the guy terrible? Nope, it was a positive separation. How did they kick me out of queue? Party member in the feminist party, of course she has dibs and queue skipping rights from being in cahoots with the city planner.
6 years had now gone by from quitting school, and I was gnashing my teeth, picked up smoking, and taking late night walks to not become violent. I hit another apartment bid, 70 prime top quality square meters in the city centre. Rent was horrendous, over half of my monthly sallary just for a roof but anything goes just to get the peace of my own temple. I got kicked out of queue again. A family of four queue skipped because "You're just a single person, we prioritize families here", leaving me out of it again.
7 years. Still nothing. 8 years, 9 years. 10 Fucking years was what it took for me to have my current home - it's a good place of 69 square meters, close to work, close to the shops. By year 8 I was on the edge to commit something violent, or just straight up end myself as I felt like a sardine in a can. Where's the housing problem coming from? Oh, I didn't mention - I'm from Sweden. The so-called "humanitarian super power" that picks up every slightly wronged person in the world, while resolutely treating its own citizens as 3rd rate people. Been looking for a green card for a couple of years now to escape this nightmare country, but I guess I won't have a chance to get out before ww3.
Sweden voted for that crap. Best you can do now is escape that socialist dystopia. Come to the US where there are still freedoms (for now). Never ever vote socialist for the rest of your life.
I may not be able to do anything for you but you aren't unseen by me. I've read your story. I resonate with your pain. You're strong for getting through ten years of being swept to the side. But you shouldn't have had to be that strong. Your family, country and friends should have been there for you. You deserve better, but even being dealt that awful hand you made it through. It may not mean anything from across the world, but I am proud of you for living. For choosing to hold to being a good man. Not giving in to lashing out at the world that you felt abandoned by. Hold your head high and stand straight. I wish you the best.
@@LostTimeHero Well, thanks for the positive energy. Out of curiosity I went to check on the apartment sites just now, and it's gotten worse - for a minimalist apartment of 20 squares you need at least 2500 points minimum today. That's about 7 years, and you'll still lose due to others having more points then that. The only way to jump out of this crooked system is to have contacts or ridiculous enough wealth to simply buy land and build a home yourself.
Sorry to hear that. Yeah, it's just female supremacism, or alternatively anti-male discrimination, depending on how you want to look at it.
@@Thugblader92 not sure if this applies to your country too but in Australia if you can find a country town with a job available they will bend over backwards to get you there. The housing is meh but it's 1/10th the price
My mother ran out on me and my brother when I was 12 too hear the crowd clap was insane! And it truly pisses me off they think woman aren’t capable of leaving and breaking families just like a man can
Men have pretty much checked out of dating atm...
For every action there's a reaction
High risk, low reward. Most women are not a wise investment today, simple as.
Their loss tbh.
The part about the lack of communication and not having to deal with parents over the phone was powerful stuff.
Yet, all you hear about is how "Oppressed" women are.
Men dying in war, women most affected
Thats because men problems are not discussed and many men will not talk about it. Men are expected to behave a certain way and talking about emotional things does not seem to fit in that picture.
Well yeah, imagine governments telling you how to act with your body. Men don't worry about that. Really think about that. Oppression is also done when a group of people with power over use that power to take advantage of you.
@@rosalacroix6447 Or, when men do talk they focus on completely useless things just like the guy above your reply said. Yes, wars are fucked but I'm 100% that's nowhere near the top of the causes of depression. Many men also depict expressing yourself as a weakness, that's a huge issue too. Being strong is not about not feeling or not sharing but rather trying to overcome whatever it is no matter how hard it is, and expressing is one vital way of solving many scenarios, and there's nothing more human than talking, thus nothing more manly.
@@pseudosanct5253 Baby boys are circumcised without consent, while laws protect females from circumcision. While moms are making choices about their boy's bodies, they want those boys to grow up and support a woman's right to have body autonomy. All people deserve body autonomy, but the message currently prioritizes women.
Rich Parents = Level Boost
xp boost
The issues can still be the same tho. Rich parents can also mean distant or narcissistic parents, or parents that are working 12-14+ hours a day or going on work trips leaving their kids alone a lot. Family issues doesn't stop just because you have rich parents. In fact, I think rich people growing up in terrible house holds may be the ones whose problems are undermined the most. Coming from a person that has never even been close to middle class their entire lives, but had the privilege to get state funded assistance to a private school full of rich kids. It taught me a lot and realized family issues were basically the same shit.
As a male, I’d rather stay in and play video games all day away from society because I can just enjoy doing something without being blamed for others problems. I just want nothing to do with the gender blame game. I now don’t enjoy engaging in flirting or flattering women. I’d rather stay single the rest of my life then to cater to a gender that treats me as the cause of their problems which sucks because I always wanted a family. Whatever tho I got WoW SoD to be my new gf lol.
Nah, you still get to be blamed for others issues even if you stay inside playing games. There is no win here 😢
Not all women are going to blame you for their problems. There's plenty out there who won't. Just gotta look
"I’d rather stay single the rest of my life then to cater to a gender that treats me as the cause of their problems"
That's a toxic and sexist mentality to have as well though. You're blaming an entire gender, which is what you're criticising women for apparently doing.
@@jessbellis9510 This 👆
@@jessbellis9510the op is not very smart
Did they just clapped to the deaths of men.
Yep.
The thing is man "scale", we study hard, we go gym, we try to socialize( although maybe we arent that good in socializing)... we basically do everything thats in our power to have that "BIS late game build" so we have some chance of getting cute and smart girl. On the other side girls can do all this but dont have to. So i think its the pressure that is put on man to do all those things and thats killing us slowly.
The dating scene atm (especially on apps) is literally like how wotlk gs requirements was. "Link achiev" to get your foot in the door for raids is the same as women asking what your income is and how tall you are. If you don't meet their bare minimum, most of the time you just get ignored. Even though hypothetically you could of had great chemistry together. Sad times we're in.
foreal bro
@@summerrunner1755where yall finding these shallow women?
@@LittleSparklingStarsDo me a favor. I'm assuming you're a girl? Make a fake profile on any app as an average looking guy. You will get zero matches. Now, make one as an 8/10 guy and try to make small talk with at least 10 decent looking females. Don't even bother with the really good looking ones. Good luck.
You don't have to do all that either though. The clear issue there is that you're centering your life, happiness and success around "getting a cute and smart girl". Girls who centre their lives around getting a man are seen as shallow or gold-diggers and shamed for it, and so women are more likely to look for success and happiness through other avenues.
You know, whenever i see sth like this i remember my great gradpa CRIED(the only time i seen him do it) out of joy that my younger siblings were girls. I was hurt as a kid but when i got older(like 10) i asked him about it and he told me he was ecstatic that they were girls beacuse girls dont get drafted and wouldnt have to suffer trough what he has survived, i learned that he had 6 brothers and only he and one brother survived the war and his brother killed himself by peeling his own skin with a knife(apparently he was tortured by having some sort of insects put under the skin by the germans). the stories hes told me defenitely discouraged me from joining military.
Conscription is so vile a concept to me. Glad it was abolished here in Australia - it was BEYOND unpopular after so much of our population was wiped out fighting the Commonwealth's war.
@@jessbellis9510 well, its necessary sometimes. Imagine there was no1 to face germans in 2ww
@@Thalarantheywe wouldn't be dealing with this commie shit because we backed the wrong leftist faction. Thts what would happen
One of the saddest things of the younger generations now is how uncomfortable/anxious they are to talk to someone on the phone. I've had multiple people tell me they only use their phone to text.
Yeah. I have stil feel anxious when talking with someone on the phone. And its kinda weird since I treated my anxiety of talking with people in person.
i don't answer texts you either call me or don't my managers are older so they have zero problems the newer ones don't call which is fine i get more days off this way
Yeah, family is basically the only exception to do that.
simple answer for that, if you text you got proof of the text so you cant be false accused of shit.
Notice how the speaker has to modify his language to be deemed appropriate. Can't be discussing mens issues without paving the ground and painting the walls without more than a cursory mention of womens issues. Degrading.
It feels odd to hear the word “boys” for once. I’m so used to the words “men” or “guy” and I’m a guy.
After watching this I think that it was a good presentation. I am someone where my parents had not divorced but my dad was so busy working when I was growing up. He worked 16 hrs a day and I didn’t even know who my dad was until I was 10-11 yrs old…
On the other hand it's interesting how both young or adult women are usually referred to as "girls" as well
@holysecret2 it's used to demean them for the most part
14k hours of gaming by 21 is rookie numbers lol
You're right, there's a pro cs player m0nesy who has 18k hours on CSGO alone AND he's only 18 years old
yea but he made a career out of it so idk if he is a good example@@chonkyboi._.
I thought the same thing lol
In my case I have been playing video games since I was 5, if we consider that 14k hours is about 10% of 16 years, then that means people that start gaming when they are 5, on average, spend about 2 and a half hours gaming per day. Which is a good chunk of time, but its very likely that time would be spent with other forms of entertainment if not spent gaming. It really is not as big of a deal as he makes it out to be.
i tell this to my friend who said that women's rights and lgbt rights were "more important". i responded with a simple "there is the problem, you ignore one and when you decide to ignore it it get progressively worse, so dont ask why that guy went into a school with a weapon, dont ask why that guy jumped a bridge, when you never really bothered to listen in the first place"
@jessbellis9510 has a point, the silent majority is offing themselves and the problematic minority takes it out on others. i would like to add that to your statement that it doesn't do anything but hurt others, especially to those closest. but theyre both problems that remain ignored to this day. what i have said still stands as it is crucial to understand how this is to be solved and possibly eradicated to the betterment of OUR future
Offing yourself and massacring others are massively different. One is about ending your own pain, the other is about inflicting it onto others.
@@jessbellis9510yet both came from the same place of mind
@@jessbellis9510 Some people hate living, others hate the hell others have made for them.
That's the range of tragedy you can expect- the types of people society creates by treating people like this unfairly.
To bounce off Asmon's argument about men not knowing how to act, i believe there is a lack of compassion for boys growing up when making mistakes in social interactions. Being awkward and clumsy is part of learning, but men are not afford the benefit of the doubt and there are real and sometimes irrational consequences to thoses mistakes. Especially towards the opposite gender, so better be taking no chances and shutting down than being labeld a creep, or anything really.
men will always for most part logic there way out if that means taking no chances thats what it will be
@@Guardsmen4That's too accurate
Reminds me of a kid in elementary getting arrested by a cop for s harassment, like man the kid was like 7.
My dad was a self sacrificing provider who I loved but he ended up killing himself but even before that I knew there was something wrong with what he was doing, he made himself a background character even in his own life.
L dad abandoning his children. True beta energy.
Sorry to hear that man
@@just_a_turtle_chad Typical generic Gen z npc response.
Lol you know that's how you get killed saying something like that?@@just_a_turtle_chad
@@BennyB00per oh don't worry, this neet doesn't leave his parents house.He's safe
I can relate to this somewhat. My mother was spiteful, lazy, crazy and rarely sober. My father worked 5-6 days a week, 10-12 hours a day. He never had the time to be with my sister and I. He funded the family and I got to do things like play soccer and baseball but he was never there, he couldn't be. He had to work to fund my baseball or my sister's gymnastics. I think in the 5 years I played baseball he got to go to around 7-8 games. He was working or sleeping when he got home because he was so exhausted. I would go to work with him sometimes just so I could see him a bit more. Only once my mother cheated on my dad with a.. very specific person just to cut him deeper. Not some "boyfriend" she had but a very specific person. With the courts the way they are she won almost everything she wanted when they got a divorce and everything he had built was gone. Then the whole back and forth between the parents hating each other.. That gets old fast and doesn't help when you're young. Only once the child support he had to pay went away and I could move in with him at 18 did I get to see him a decent amount. Now I've learned about all the cool stuff my dad when he was younger.. I wish I knew those when I was younger, they definitely would have guided me through my younger years better. I'm 38 and I still hate my mom for all of that. I had to ghost her for 2 years after an argument and when she came back into the picture (not by my decision) she acted like nothing happened. She just went on being her narcissistic self. So I guess I've kind of been parentless, at least mentally, for around 30ish years. My dad made enough money to make things comfortable for us monetarily. Meh, I'll just put one foot in-front of the other and keep moving. Adopting viewpoints combining people like George Carlin, Bill Burr and Optimistic Nihilism has put me mostly at peace. Nothing matters, just sit back, enjoy the show and laugh. If the world starts burning I'll grab the hotdogs.
Nihilism is not the answer. The human spirit is indomitable, I believe in you! XD
Thanks for believing in me! I've heard a phrase that argues against that indomitable part though : "You die twice; Once when they bury you in the grave. And the second is the last time when someone mentions your name." - Macklemore
I'm not going to cause any societal changes in the world, I'm not going to figure out how to combine quantum mechanics and general relativity. I wont be in any history books and neither will my children.. because I'm not going to have any. In around 100-150 years my name wont be spoken again. I have the 5th most common last name in the USA. I've met someone with my exact same name and nearly the same age. I didn't do anything significant for the human race or my country. So why does it matter? Like I said, I'm going to sit on my beach chair with my drink then watch and laugh as the world advances forward or burns to the ground. It doesn't matter which happens. None of it really matters to me anymore. I'm 1 out of roughly 8,000,000,000 people on this planet. Just another dead end in roughly a 3.7 billion year old string of DNA (first signs of life we've found). There's a really good video titled "Optimistic Nihilism" here on CZcams I highly recommend if you want to know more about my viewpoint on life. I've decided my purpose is to sit on a branch like a bee and watch the hivemind do whatever it does. Kind of the way you would watch a bird or a lizard and wonder what it's thinking and doing and why does it do what it does? It's very interesting when you take that step back and look at the world as a whole.
I too was raised by a narcissist mother, although she no longer has any place in my life nor the life of my wife and kids.
Even though you don't think you will make a lasting difference you can set an example every day in every interaction you have. Kindness goes a long way, especially in face to face interactions, and even if you won't leave a centuries long legacy by small acts of kindness you certainly can make the world better, even if only infinitesimally.
It's just sad that it has become a taboo to say that child should have two parents (mom and dad). And I don't say single parents can't be good parents. I was pretty much raised by my mom and I'm very thankful for that. But it doesn't exclude the fact that I probably would be more intact human being if I've had a dad there all the time.
Well, from a woman's perspective "woulda, shoulda, coulda". With the choices we have in life staying together might not be the right option and often women get the shorter end of the stick in marriage (single women happier than married women on average for ex). We stay in a relationship, pump out a kid, and then our most important educational and career driven years are gone and now with a kid we often get most of the burden to care for.
Would've been nice if there was two parents, but life isn't so fortunate. At least women aren't forced to stay nowadays. We have options.
Actually, study shows that married people in general (yes, women too) are happier than those who aren't married. And this is from a longest study ever conducted on humans.
Also when you say "often women get the shorter end of the stick in marriage", I think that is just an opinion and it's not based on anything but personal views.
I agree that women often "are left off with the burden" of children, but that is more like an attitude and "want" issue more than an actual burden. Those are also consequences/results of decision making. So it is a "I don't actually know what I want" -issue more than anything else.
The problem is that people make big decisions without understanding what are the responsibilities of those decisions. Then, because we're living in highly individualistic world, they end up blaming everything else but themselves, and for some reason that is even "acceptable" in some ways.
If you die because of obesity, it is not a society's fault. If you are miserable because you choose a wrong guy, that is not a society's fault. You didn't know what you wanted and you choose wrong, and the one who is responsible for all that is you. And that is the most sad part of it all. You are the only one responsible of your own decisions.@@TheAnimaAnimal
@@Neveri93 Ofc we are. We are all the ones making decisions for our future. What options we have, however, we can't necessarily control.
There are things in our environment we cannot control. Like the man on the podium said. We need to set us up to be able to make better decisions and make greater more compassionate people.
Just saying "we are all responsible for our decisions" doesn't change anything. We need tools and changes to increase the betterment of those decisions.
It's not about blame, it's about change.
@Neveri93 if you try to invalidate other people's experiences and come up with fake statistics, don't expect other people to care about your problems, because clearly you don't care about yours and only want to blame someone for them.
@artorhen personal experience mean nothing. Statistics mean everything. Sit down.
The audience in video itself shows the problem of society and that we need to care about mens problems more. He talks about mens issues and how much increase in "self delete" it is even for young boys, and much other problems.
But when he mention that single mums work hard, everyone is clapping... it was just so unsettling to me.
If they clapped for male suicide that would be suspect
The irony of the message that "power has to be redefined as more human being and less human doing" is that that, as Dr. Farrell pointed out earlier, and even Asmongold pointed out, men's value is defined as overwhelming based on their socially recognized successes (or lack thereof). To even qualify as an individual worthy of consideration to begin with, one needs to pass the threshold of "success", and that success is defined not by the individual, but by the society that individual inhabits. Success, be it in the form of wealth, fame, or force of personality, is what qualifies a man as a human "being" at all. It's not really a matter of fault, but the reality we exist in needs to be acknowledged, and the limits of self-definition is a part of that state of affairs. Women, as part of society, hold a part in the definition of what men should value. Arguably, they have even more of a part, because it is women who define "success" in men, who establish that threshold. But this is all pointless navel gazing in a youtube comments section anyway.
That part of the talk was a bit weird to me. Being isn't a solution. Sure you want to be comfortable being, but that doesn't really seem to be the whole picture.
I took it to mean that the goal is for men's value deriving from their "existence", or "being", rather than from their activity, or "doing". But that may be a misread on my part. @@ChaoticNeutralMatt
Ultimately useless sadly. All life’s value is on what it can provide/do, or at-least be perceived to do. He didn’t want to rock the boat and offer a real solution. Real solutions come, unfortunately later rather than sooner.
im 27, i stopped having friends at 19. I had a girlfriend between 21 and 24, the last year that i got a hug.
I have a full time job earning a good amount of money, i go to the gym, play the guitar but i can't just make friends. I just can't. I can self teach my self all these stuff and become professional at except for making friends.
The only one friend i made was trough facebook the last month, a girl from a distant city and she thinks i don't have any social skill issue because i listen, i communicate and i don't get mad for stupid reasons so much so she is surprised how ""well behave"" i am, socially speaking.
But even this saturday like i did for the most part of my 20s, im eating alone in a fast food parking lot thinking that if i dont have any friend irl when i will be 30 i will just off my self.
Your story is scary similar to my own. When I was 27 I tried to get a new start in a new city and grew so depressed because I had no friends. It had been so long since I had made new friends I no longer had those skills. After months I put myself out there and went to a local social group I found online. I felt so uncomfortable at first but eventually my social skills improved. Just remember it's not about making tons of friends its about finding a few people you are happy to be around and like you for you.
I read this, and that definitely sucks man. I can relate, I'm at 36 and single, the only ppl I interact with that aren't online are the fam and co-workers. Loneliness sucks, but don't give into it man. Keep on keeping on and find something that gives you purpose. Play guitar? Give someone lessons and pass on your knowledge. That's just a simple thing I thought of to start, but I'm not anyone that can give advice. I just didn't want to pass up a post that seemed pretty dire without saying something. Live long and prosper my dude.
I tried to off myself a few years ago after staying in a toxic relationship for over a decade, living for someone else and no friends. Didn’t go as planned, and here we are, starting anew but not really. A few friends on the low, here and there, but the loneliness remains. As someone around 35, all i can say is, it’s not a matter of social skills. It’s about starting to reflect your own self, what makes you tick, and invest/heal yourself. In due time, you will find a few people that can help you along the way.
Nothing wrong with you trust me. I've had many friends in the past and it's the World that's changing all around, not just us. I had a coworker who thought I was gay because I was a gentleman and nice to her. Yet there's nothing gay about me lmao. Just craziness all around. Don't be so hard on yourself.
I know someone like you who does all the right social things and finds it difficult to maintain friendships but hasn’t given up. Try, try and try again I suppose.
All of these movies and shows featuring "girl bosses" just surround these one dimensional "strong women" by incompetent men. Of course they look better by comparison. Why is it they can't find a way of uplifting women without putting men down? It's getting really old. I could care less about men being portrayed as buffoons in certain forms of media but when it starts bleeding over into how men are actually treated in society it's becoming a problem.
Indeed. Nowadays all men in movies are either jerks or idiots.
Are men treated like that though?
Last time I checked men hold all the power in the world. Be it in form of capital or political (mostly the same thing).
@@t-rekt8527which men? The 1%? You are using an apex fallacy.
Through our all history most men and women have struggled together, this past decade has all about been shitting on men.
You want to attribute the power of the top 1% to all men but the guy that wakes up at 4am to work his garbage job isn't doing that to oppress women, he's doing to support them.
@@t-rekt8527Last I checked, I wasn't the son of a major CEO, banker, or politician.
Maybe you don't understand this, but _most_ men aren't wealthy world leaders. Where do people get the idea that just because some washed-up geriatric with money happens to be a world leader and a man that somehow _all_ men are world leaders?
We aren't and never have been, because that would require a much more even distribution of wealth and power than any large society in the past or present has ever experienced. There is no _we_: there are the few who are at the top, the many at the bottom, and an ever decreasing amount in the middle as more are pushed to the bottom.
_We_ don't control the world: the guys (and gals) in fancy suits flying on private jets to secret islands to engage in crimes against children do. Last I checked, I didn't get to write my own bank balance or fire a nuke at a small country of my choosing simply for being a man, so quit insinuating that we "run/control the world".
@@t-rekt8527 "men hold all the power in the world. Be it in form of capital or political" And that's the issue people blinded by feminist propaganda keep raising. They only ever see the top 1% of men. They NEVER see the literal MILLIONS of homeless men, the men who die by su!cide, the garbage collectors and sewage workers, etc. It's a permanent roll 1 on perception for them. Now just think about how many thousands of homeless, drug addicts, garbage collectors and sewage workers there are for every fortune 500 CEO feminists keep pointing to and saying "men have all the power".
There's a funny joke some time ago. The richest man in the world (back then), Bill Gates, had to work his ass off from a garage to get to where he is today. The richest WOMAN in the world... just had to marry Bill Gates.
“As a girl” - Asmongold 2023
Just roll with it
don't forget that when 2 guys get along really well, it starts getting called a Bromance which just makes things weird
The brother from another mother
if you care then you aren't men yet... keep trying, get good
@@Guyjharrison Not true.
I gotta admit, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of a bromance. But I don't even feel comfortable hugging my mom, so yeah.
It only makes things weird to guys that are insecure about their sexuality.
I was 8 when my parents divorced, my mother cheated on him. Overheard that from them fighting that morning, made the decision to go with my father because I was scared he might feel alone. Took three years of litigation for my father to win so I stayed with him. And he only won because I was about to get 12 so I was in the right to decide. Ofc I grew up deprived of a mother so I don't struggle with productiveness but with emotions.
My sister and I both have Masters Degrees and both married men without even a bachelor's degree, and they still made more money than we did. It's the types of careers we chose, and I ended up being a stay at home mom after my husband and I both got out of the USArmy. Having three boys, I have encouraged them to begin with a community college to minimize their initial educational debt and to look for careers that are needed and will always be needed. My Masters in School Counseling was difficult to obtain jobs in because there were fewer jobs available than people who were licensed. I don't want them to make that same mistake. I am quite concerned for my young men's futures.
thank you for sharing
@buckmeister9860 that's what they are all planning on doing.. Some family members have tried to pressure them to go to a university, but since they know the costs of those colleges versus trade school training and return on investments, they have all made decisions to go for trade careers.
As someone raised by a single father, I felt nothing but disdain for that "few people work harder than single moms" comment/applause. I find it so indicative of the problem with society that people are so socialised into the "single moms good, men bad" that just saying "single moms work hard" automatically earns applause. No shit single mom's work hard. So do all other single parents. Why is it always "single moms"?
I lived primarily with my father and I feel like the main reason I grew up following his lead more was mainly due to the fact that his boundaries indicated he trusted me more then the ones my mother imposed. She just seemed like she was trying to control me and dad seemed more like he was teaching me. (I love my mother and I appreciate the time I spent and spend with her I just feel like between the two my father had the better method over all)
It feels like people always blame dads when something bad happens, they've even developed a term for it: "Fatherless Behavior". Sometimes I can't help but wonder what Herculean leeps men have to do to be considered "good" fathers. Fathers need to be able to provide for their family right? That's what's expected of them. However in order to properly provide for their family they have to work hard which takes time which means that they have less time and energy to spend with their family. If you work too much you're considered a bad dad (and husband), if you don't work enough to provide for your family you're considered a bad dad (and husband). I guess what I'm trying to say is... What are the REAL standards? People make it out to be like not having a dad is the cause of all problems but then if even if there IS a dad in the picture then the goal post changes from not having a dad to: needing a *particular* type of dad to be successful in life.
The problem with having the discussion that you want to have is modern feminism. To even have an honest conversation about it you instantly get labeled a misogynist or worse. The goalposts move on purpose, in order to ensure that the money stays in feminism.
the fatherless behavior term is an ironic generalization of a set of qualities kids will have growing up without a father figure in their life. Usually connotated with being weird in some way. A generalization is a stereotype, not a rule.
One o7 for all fellas keeping the average gaming time up.
The main issue is every time somebody discusses men's issues it's 'why don't they be more like women'
Men don't need to be more sensitive and talk about their feelings, they need direction and things to do. They need a family to care for and provide for. Our society is trying to push everything away from that.
yep the idea of vocation trades being more normal and part of the high school system would 100% fix many problems regarding that. instead everyone in the US was pushed into going to college. Anyone with decent enough IQ and grades can get into college, granted the debt you'll get into but you probably won't find what you want to do and the degrees that act more like trades are a bit harder than just getting in college, i.e, STEM, comp sci/engineering
Man can talk about their feelings and be sensitive and still have direction too.
you can still talk about your feelings and still have direction, that's literally part of the problem. No emotional gain means you will never have direction.
Repressing my feelings has caused nothing but problems. I thought i needed to do that to have true direction and be strong - but you can control what you don't understand or can't even see. Discussing issues is a great help to many men, and different people need different things in their life - so I'd still encourage men to be aware of what they've been told are incorrect emotions for men, other than just anger. Purpose and emotions are not gendered - that's the point of encouraging women into the workforce and encouraging men to be more open, we all need both.
Not talking about your problems will only, ironically, bring you more problems.
For a guy that lives in his moms basement/attic and played video games his whole life, As has remarkable understanding of human behavior.
A lot of it is just projecting and generic armchair talking points from media/entertainment consumption. Some stuff he says are insane dumb given he has no experience what he is talking about other than a single reference point in his whole life which is an anecdote.
He's a smart guy, which helps. He's cynical, and unfortunately the cynical take is often true. But sometimes he just has a really dumb take and refuses to back down. For example, he once said that video games being always-online wasn't a problem, because he has good internet -- while ignoring that internet isn't as good in rural areas and in certain non-Western countries.
@@WieldMyWord I just recently started watching his videos but I have seen a lot of them now. Of course he isn’t right about everything but he does have a great ability to cut right to the core of issues immediately.
@@edvaedan9161 Not really. He rarely has arguments that hold up to fact based scrutiny and often are post-hoc rationalizations. He also does a lot of grandstanding which I guess comes with being a streamer.
He's a smarter than average guy for sure, but also extremely sheltered and gets very uncomfortable/mad, when he has to expand on/defend his arguments.
Which is one of the reasons I stopped watching him and only watch his WoW/Gaming videos now. Things he has a lot more nuanced and fleshed out opinions about (for the most part anyways).
@@t-rekt8527 Not really. L take.
I love how humans cracked the code of successful family dynamics millenia ago, but for the last 60 years we think we know better despite the glaringly obvious problems our hubris is causing. How long must this charade go on?
I think it is natural to start losing parts of your wisdom or knowledge as you grow and reorient yourself. There have been a lot of things wrong with the status quo as well, like woman's rights. In an attempt to correct something, you can oversteer and go wrong in the other direction. The solution isn't to not do anything and stay exactly the same as you did the past 1000 years out of fear of change, but to keep adjusting till you find the proper way forward. Like if you had your appartment dirty for a while, then you feel the need to fix it, and go overboard. You throw a lot of things away, tidy things up perfectly, get to a state that you can't possibly keep up, and then settle on a balance of order and disorder that you feel like you can maintain.
@@jamespost8967 I haven't heard of that expression, what do you mean by that?
Define "successful". There has been a _lot_ of very miserable people throughout history. There's also no shortage of terrible people throughout history. Anti-social behavior didn't start 60 years ago.
We _never_ cracked the "code" of successful family dynamics. People of both sexes have always cheated on their partners, children have always been born out of wedlock (or in wedlock to not-the-husband), kids have always been little shits.
Some things have changed though that perhaps makes it feel worse now: For starters and most obviously, you are living now. The grass is always greener on the other side. You can look back at what history books tell you the past was like and pretend that they're the whole truth. The people who lived through those times didn't have that luxury.
Second, we have a system that allows pretty much every single person on the planet to air even the slightest of grievances publicly for the entire world to read. That has two effects: It allows writers to spend their time wallowing in their misery, and it allows readers to cherrypick as many stories as they want to "prove" the world has gone to hell in whatever type of handbasket they like.
Third, life is simply harder now. Yes we have all sorts of luxuries that our ancestors couldn't have even dreamed like cell phones and flat screen TVs, but we also live in a time when real wages are getting down around the lowest they've ever been. Certainly not the absolutely lowest, but they're not healthy. The slight bump they got during covid isn't nearly enough to compensate for 40 years of stagnation. Your grandmother (probably) didn't have to work, and if she chose to work anyway it was almost certainly an easy job that she picked up after your parent was raised and she wouldn't have minded quitting if the need arose again. You (again, probably) don't have that option - you and your partner are almost certainly going to both be working kid or no kid, just to afford living.
Fourth, romance is also harder now. We've kind of run into the paradox of choice - our ability to communicate and travel long distances means we have thousands or even millions of potential dating options where our ancestors would be in the dozens to maybe hundreds in larger cities. That gives us the illusion that "the one" is out there waiting for us so even the slightest flaw in our current partner is a potential excuse to throw them back and try again.
But none of those things are fixed by the "code" you believe we've cracked. They're all functions of the world beyond the control of a single family. Banning divorce isn't going to make single-income households more viable. Banning gay marriage isn't going to reduce the pool of available options the partner of your dreams decides they'd rather go swimming in than be with you. And nothing's going to change the fact that history just never really worked the way you think it did.
All available studies indicate that children are better off behaviorally, emotionally, mentally, financially (in the long term), and have a generally higher standard of living when raised in a stable 2-parent environment compared to those without. An attentive parent whom can help their child navigate the complexities of the world, or help with homework, for example, are a boon to the development of their kids(s).@@altrag
Lol that's funny
As a single dad in Florida, I finalized my divorce in July ‘23 and I’m glad Florida changed the rule to make long story short. Florida prioritizes 50/50 over anything
Is Florida the only one that does that?
@@abysswatcher9172Nevada does. Source: got my son 50/50
@@abysswatcher9172 I don’t think so. I heard other states donut too but I didn’t do the research since Florida only mattered since I’m here lol
I do think Asmon is right (at around 4:27) that women do have that value of being able to carry children, and that's more valuable in a sense than just providing the "seed" so to speak because a woman can only carry one or two children at a time, and any more than that at a time is substantially more dangerous and rare, where guys can theoretically impregnate so many women quickly. If you want around 10 babies to be born quickly, you only need one man for that and 10 women, making the women more "valuable" towards that goal. It sucks. Tech will balance this out really soon, but in the meanwhile this sucks for men.
However, being a woman who is unwell, I still reap these benefits. This is an innate, biological bias that people hold towards women, which means that women don't even need to be able to reproduce for most people to still want to protect us. It's incredibly unfair. It's not something that can just be fixed, because it's so biologically ingrained in people, so all I'd ask is that people become more aware of this bias and try to extend understanding and empathy towards your fellow man, even if it doesn't come as naturally. Men deserve to be valued as much as women do. We are all people, and we all deserve love and education and a better life.
the problem with the 1 man to 10 wemon is your either protecting the man until he impregnates 10 wemon or putting a pump on him don't think the man is putting himself in danger before 10 wemon are pregnant as pregnancy isn't guarantee either. the 1 to 10 is a fallacy to demean men as is has no realm in logic.
A man sleeps with 10 wemon 1 each night, pregnancy is not a guarantee so some he might have to resleep with on top if not getting himself killed before impregnating them. the 1 to 10 thing also only really applies to when we lived in caves only a moron would apply that logic with 8 billion people on the planet.
Asmon is dead wrong. Thanks to contraceptions and abortions the burden or risk of child bearing is minimal for women now. They are having their cake and eating it too.
your words will fall on deaf ears.
as a man I have already accepted that I have no worth to other people.
I don't think I am worthless, or maybe I do and I am lying to myself, but at least I have things to do that I enjoy that do not rely on other people's praise.
The difference is that women don't want that value, while men are the ones that need achievements and rewards for everything.
@@artorhen Can't speak for other women, but as Asmongold says about being a man - that he'd rather be a man than a woman - I feel the same way about being a woman.
I am glad that I am a woman, and would rather be a woman than a man. The pros vastly outweigh the cons for me, and the cons of being a man vastly outweigh the pros.
Obviously different people are going to feel differently, but I think for most people, they'd rather stick with the devil they know than the devil they don't know.
There is a MASSIVE difference between being aggressive and assertive. They come from very different places. You can see it in debates. An aggressive debater will push to hide vulnerability of areas they lack knowledge, so they hide it with speed and getting to a win as fast as possible. An assertive person can win the argument while still being calm and patient. You can attack their points all you want but they are CONFIDENT to the point of not needing to be emotional and can assert their position AND convince you they are right all day, every day. Those are what make excellent leaders Assertive confident empathic men. Not raging assholes
Confidence giving the impression of a position of strength, sure. That's accurate
I have seen Jordan Peterson for example embody both in different scenarios. In his Channel 4 debate he was very assertive and made a hugely positive and convincing impact. Whereas I have seen him become plenty aggressive and insecure in some religious and political debates, where he wasn't willing to listen to his opponents and even interrupted them, leaving a negative impact.
Well said.
Yeah, those types are very rare
To me, the difference is simple: an assertive action is any action that advances your position, while an aggressive action is any action that degrades another's position.
Yes, this means that many actions will technically be both, and it is not to say that aggressive actions are unavoidable - in a sports competition, I would _hope_ you're degrading the other team's position.
The worst actions are solely aggressive: to degrade others with no expectation of advancement. This is the true toxic masculinity without question.
with all the stats saying:
"gay marriage has way less divorce rate compared lesbian marriage." and
"single dad has better behaved children compared to single mom."
my conclusion can be misogynistic.
My wife gets really nervous when i start rough housing with my 2yo daughter, especially when my (almost) 5yo son joins in. Explained how it builds bonds and teaches both, but esp my son self restraint especially with girls. Teaches coordination and working with another person physically the same way dancing does. Nor she triesc to make a point to rough house with us so it's a whole family fun time and it has really helped her anxiety and made her feel like a better mom.
He couldn't have did this talk 10 years ago without getting booed, heckled, threatened and/or the fire alarm pulled 10 times. Incredible.
Also, go see how a popular channel called "Knowing Better" deliberately took Warren Farrel out of context. Bane666au covered it years ago, assuming he still has a channel.
1/3 of 14k hours to get a bachelors, yeah that's great but how much fucking money does it cost?
Not to mention that the 1/3 comes after high school when men are expected to move out and work for your money
nothing in many eu countries, paid by taxes. tuition free, and they pay you to get an education.
not much but around 300 euros per month.
I'm depressed as shit and lonely as shit, I just want someone to hug
I'll hug you bro
@@hyst6081 thanks bro
Strangely just find comfort that know that you're not suffering alone. I and many others are feeling your pain as well. There's an odd comfort in that.
Stay positive bro. You will get someone in your life. Try to take small positive actions to make you feel better about yourself. Walking in nature and exercise every day certainly helped for me
after 30-40 it gets lot easier. you are simply used to it and actually find peaceful. I felt same way as you did in 20s and now i am just numb to it and like a peace i have. Believe me with women life is lot stressful and interrupts your peace,well with modern women. Had 2 girlfriends so far and damn drama was real and felt like they cant live without it. No wonder they love to watch drama serials 😅.Just find something to get you occupy with . Maybe get a dog .
Im so proud of you as a content creator, this is lit bringing a light into all of your viewers and sharing actual good information great work dude
Fear not, this conversation will be hijacked by women to be about them in no time.
I think the staggering amount of pain and isolation men can go through is so staggering its straight up incomprehensible to people. I dont think theres stigma, its simply a gap in understanding to the point they dont even see the frame of the issue. It almost gets spiritual for why you would even need to care about other men. Because a man wont give you the same validation as a child, woman or even pet, theres almost like this metaphysical respect that transcends pleasure or love chemicals when you know you did right by another man.
So i think theres like a level of intellect even required to even think why ethically i should care about how a man feels or what he thinks.
An illustration: a child raised by a father is going to be more emotionally intelligent, because they will learn to be emotionally sensitive. This is because men are good at hiding their queues, so you literally need a more sensitive read on their emotions, even to the point where you learn to reason why they are hiding them.
Or the child could be more emotionally repressed and not know how to deal with their emotions in a healthy way because they were never shown that it was okay to be emotional. It's not a mother vs father case, it's a parenting style case.
I've really suffered with this a lot lately. I'm 26 and i can't seem to find any value in myself. When i was 23 i had upward momentum but then both me and my dad got sick, he died and i lost most of my physical earnings and was too far out to finish college . Ever since then i just feel like a failure or unable to do anything worth anything. I can make okay money doing various jobs but it doesn't feel like enough. I can't find self pride anymore.
I don’t know man. Maybe find things that bring you joy, and try to make a career out of those things. At least that’s what I’ve clung to.
No fault divorce was pure evil.
80% filed by women. Allowing a child with a chest to make decisions never ends well.
@@maxmensch8910 Not true marriages. Not if vows are taken seriously. Then, children perform 1000% better in every way. With their mother, and their father.
@@austinjohnston7009 You shouldn't need a paper contract to keep parents together in the first place.
I had a pretty relevant experience recently. I am a guy btw. I went to a long time friend and her bf's now apartment warming party. It was a pretty small get together with only 8 people attending. There was a girl there who refused to talk to any men at the party. I went over to her, said hi and introduced myself and she said politely "sorry, I only socialize with other women." I'm sorry but wtf. As if I'm not a human as well. Now she might have her own issues, but we are only 8 people in a small apartment and she wouldn't even be cordial/professional. I asked my friend about it later and she just replied "yea she's like that."
I mean she had the right to set those boundaries and she made them clear from the outset. Could be any number of reasons but it wasn't hidden or anything. It's problematic in a small gathering, but no one is going to die over it. Probably?
Tad confused by the not cordial comment.
@@ChaoticNeutralMattjust because you have the right/are allowed to do something doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be told you’re a nut job for doing it.
Who knows what is behind that, perhaps she is traumatized herself, or someone close to her is and warned her not to engage with men. It may not be right or healthy, but I think the cordial thing to do is to be understanding of her wishes, not condemn her for them. You can try again some time, maybe make a good impression on her, and show her that men can be just as positive and nice as women 👍
Its not about you. Dont take it personally. Jesus. "As if i am not human". You dont even know her, why do you even care and get so defensive?
Context: The host had us play games together, they required interactions from her. If I asked her for a card or something, she would just be silent and ignore me and others. In the middle of a game. With only 8 people there. I get it, I have traumas too, bad ones, but if I have set that boundary, I would not put myself in that position. Maybe come to the mutual friend's apartment at another time.
The issue with missing social interactions is exactly the reason why I only live in shared houses. I enjoy being alone sometimes, but because of this I tend to become a shut-in if I live alone.
Great too hum checking this out. I think Zach is a good guy. There's a great in there too. His work shows it. 🙌
I love that Asmon just explains every topic through gaming
Animals have better bonding rituals than humans😅
I dont leave many comments, but you made a really good point about kids calling another kids house and the parent answering. I'm pushing 40, and there are STILL parents of my friends whose names I dont know, because they were always Mr./Mrs whatever. I take on co-op students every 4 months for engineering and the lack of having even just a conversation is staggering. I dont always agree with you, but on this its a good take, the world isnt a screen in your room with the lights off. Though I agree with downtime, getting kids/young adults in a position to just talk, with confidence is a huge plus. Theres still contractors that do the crippling handshake to show how manly they are, and its sad to say that people a quarter there age cant handle that.
As a single father, I would say that it is harder on an emotional level than being a single mother. There is tons of support and various social systems set up to help single mothers that DO NOT EXIST for single fathers. Beyond even that, most of the times single fathers are unable to find emotional support even within their own social circles, everyone defaults to solve the problem with minimal effort. It fucking sucks
I think it tells you the state of society when a man tries to talk about the issues boys and and men face and the first applause he receives is after he makes a statement about how hard it is to be a single mom.
I'm quite content to let this society burn to the ground at this point. And I know I'm not the only one.
My strat is to do the bare minimum to get by and make sure my basic needs are met. Outside of that, I just try to enjoy whatever simple pleasures I can get outta life...but I feel no connection to this society and certainly no obligation to protect it...fix it...maintain it...whatever. I simply don't care.
Men shouldn't do anything to preserve a society that hates them and treats them as being disposable. That's just stupid.
when he was talking about people online telling you how to live right and are more F'ed up irl then the people they are trying to 'help' Ruby Franke came to mind lol
Single parent households are not necessarily a huge problem. The problem is that, all too often, a 'single parent household' means a NO parent household. I've seen plenty of single mothers who had custody of their children because that's just the default way things work. The father was completely gone and the mom was more like a roommate. Those kids went out wherever they wanted, as late as they wanted, and their mom didn't give a flying f***.
Yep. My single mother tried to act like a friend instead of a parent. Now in my late 20s and early 30s I'm seeing and understanding the consequences of this. No guidance, no discipline, no motivation, no purpose.
I grew up without knowing my dad but my only mission before I leave this earth is to have and raise a family and when it’s my time to go i hope I leave them with everything they need. Don’t give up kings 👑
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I dont want to live to an age when I cant take care of myself because I know no one else will.
Take comfort in knowing that you are at least aware of this problem. You are ahead of millions on men that aren't.
Haven’t watched the whole thing but I can just say from experience that if you lose your dad before maybe puberty, you just lose all sense of direction. As a tween my dad and I died in a car wreck. Before when he was alive I was constantly learning new things, having goals set and some direction and somebody pushing me into new things. Those are all crucial skills to learn and if you’re a kid who had that stability from a father then have it removed, it’s a fuckin devastating blow. Took me 7 years to even get my drivers license and develop some semblance of peace and progress
But just know I had a lot of shit thrown at me till this point, I know it sucks boys, it’s gonna feel like it’s not worth it, until you find the light again and it is, and you will.
TLDR (for the 2 people reading): no dad bad, no dad make sad, push through, be glad.
I mean, it can also work in reverse. My father was so horrible he disowned me after I tried to attempt suicide in front of him and my step mother, because my step mother told me to off myself. I mean, father figures don't always work for everyone.
And even before that I tend to just hide in my room and isolate myself because I was afraid of how he'd treat me if I was even around him for a second.
I lost my pops at 2 😭
@@ShaySuveran hope you are feeling better now, that sounds like a horrible experience.
@@ShaySuveran that’s not at all what I’m saying though. Obviously there’s shitty dads out there. There’s dads who aren’t around for their kids at all or use them.
I’m not denying those people exist, I’m saying losing somebody who’s biological and societal purpose is to give you guidance and help with the big issues in life sucks a lot, it was worse than dying.
@@ShaySuveran but I am sorry that happened to you, shitty dads aren’t better than dead ones.
The comparison of males being valuable in the “late game” and females being valued in the “early game” is quite accurate when we’re looking at it from a game perspective.
It’s unfortunate, because some people never asked to be born in this kind of “game” to begin with. We never asked to be born with “that type of build” in this world to begin with. Unaliving oneself could be seen as justified in such a case, if you were born as someone you never asked, or born in a world you never asked for, or even both.
That is not to say I ENCOURAGE the act. I just mean to say that I empathize with them. Some people were just born in a world that they cannot conform to. Simply because of the way they were born, or because the entire world itself refuses to conform to yourself. It truly is tragic.
The non gamer world had a saying that describes this: "Men age like wine, women age like milk."
It drives people to think born as a man means you have to hard restart the game
One of the main issues is, society at large no longer believes good men can exist. As a result the role men need to play (for their and others sake) is taken off the table. That is, the patriarch. The loving leader of the household, who not only holds respect, but responsibility.