Rob Reacts to... Australia's Most Notorious Outlaw - Ned Kelly
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- čas přidán 11. 02. 2022
- The Notorious masked outlaw Ned Kelly finally gets a look at from myself! Let me decide if he was a good guy or a bad guy!
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Did you know the world's first feature film is about the Kelly gang? There's some footage on CZcams of it, you should check that out.
yep. The first full length motion film in human history. Two more were made years later years one of which included one starring Mick Jagger of 'Rolling Stones' music fame.
I've had debates with others about Ned's behaviour. My feeling is that as a young kid he had no choice and he would have been bitter and that does affect young minds. He was trying to live a good life, but what does one do when you have been harassed to the enth degree by corrupt police who had it in for him and the family for decades . Look, I think what he did was wrong, but on the other hand he had to confront the coruption especially in those extremely harsh times.
Leanda B The Royal Commission into Victoria police of 1881 found that the police were NOT corrupt. Where are you getting this garbage from?
Leanda B I should also mention that the first mention of Ned Kelly being brought to the attention of police was when he was 5 years old, when the police gazette, named him as a suspected horse thief.
@@samsabastian5560 Have you not noticed no one shares your views squealer
@@cattmcgregor5078 Let me assure you, there are plenty of people who share my views. Two of them have written books and have PhD's on the subject of Kelly, and have studied the family for more than 20 years in one instance. So what if the dumb clucks don't know the facts, that doesn't take away the fact that what I am saying is 100% truthful.
@@cattmcgregor5078 Yes we do
My great grandmother would tell my grandmother tales of Ned's sister, Kate who would ride through their property, on her way to warn the gang of what the police were up to.
Christopher Nicola, Except it was Margaret that rode to resupply her brothers, not Kate. You are talking rubbish.
@@samsabastian5560 relax max, I'm just going from what my grandmother told me 50 yrs ago.. haha
@@samsabastian5560 How would you know? Were you there? There will always be witnesses to things that dont get their names in the papers or recorded in books.You have read a few books and think yourself an expert. Calm your farm.
@@iankearns774 You are wrong. My research has been extensive, and mostly I refer to documentary evidence found online. How would I know? Because almost every time a rider was intercepted by police heading from the Kelly home into the Wombat it was Margaret and not Kate.
@@samsabastian5560 you sir an ignorant & arrogant dipshit troll. How dare you intrude on this family's collective memories & try to discredit them. Are you a part of this family? Were you there? How dare you
A few years ago, the history channel did a documentary about the Kelly gang. They found the living descendants from the Kelly family, and the descendants of one of the police officers killed at stringy bark creek. There were two investigatiors telling the story, one from the POV of the Kelly gang, and his great, great (etc...) nephew, and one from the POV of the police, and his great, great, great grandaughters. Ending in the two families sitting down and talking about it.
At the end of the day, Kelly was a murderer. There's no two ways about it. Sure, there was police corruption, but how could he be sure the officers he killed were corrupt? 2 of the 3 at that camp had no blemishes on their records.
However, being an Aussie, it's a great story, and nothing beats a great story.
Dave The Royal Commission into Victoria police of 1881 found that the police were NOT corrupt. Where are you getting this garbage from?
@@samsabastian5560 if there was zero corruption in the 1880's then why did Kelly get so much public support? I'll take statistics over what could have been a kangaroo court. Do you know what the government set as the terms of the royal commission (What could be investigated, and what couldn't be)?
@@davecheffie5706 it's not hard to find out. The whole report is available on the internet if you want to read it.
@@davecheffie5706 There was some corruption in the detective branch in Melbourne, but none was found in NE Victoria.
Kelly did not have much support. Population 14,500 in NE Victoria, and support was about 250 relatives, extended families and criminal associates. Many of the courts were run by JP's from the area. The RC commissioners were almost all anti-police, and they went after the police, and found nothing. No corruption, and they stated that the police acted properly regarding the Kelly's criminality.
Yep, cause government never murders. Government hands down wins on body count!
Boy, I am mortified to see Ned's story depicted as a cartoon, it's as bad as watching one of the movies that was made.
We have had some great TV programs over the years and the real depiction of life on the run. Perhaps readers should look for copies of the extensive document of over 50 pages that he wrote, the Jerilderie letter, that tells his side of the story. But regardless, what he and Gang did at Stringybark Creek was inexcusible.
There are many books written on him and many other Australian bushrangers and there is one theme evident in all of them. The same theme of oppression is the reason behind Australia's revolutionary action at the Eureka Stockade.
Of the film depictions starting with the synonymous 1970 film staring Mick Jagger as Ned... it took liberties and was highly contentious over his casting, filming in New South Wales rather than Victoria and an unsympathetic opinion of the Kelly Family. Following up was the ludicrous satire "Reckless Kelly" set in modern day(-ish) written, directed and starring Yahoo Serious, infamous for his film "Young Einstein" in 1988.
In 2003 came the film Ned Kelly, staring Heath Ledger, Orlando Bllom, Geoffrey Rush and Naomi Watts, it was based upon the Robert Drewe penned biographical story "Our Sunshine". Abe Forsythe also directed a film the same year as an extremely low budget "mockbuster", with fake beards and tin bucket helmets.
In 2019 came The True History of the Kelly Gang, based on Peter Carey's bio-historical novel of the same name, staring George McKay (an Englishman) as Kelly, and Russell Crowe as Harry Power.
On the small screen was the 1980 miniseries "The Last Outlaw" in four parts, noted for it's historical accuracy, or the then best known knowledge.
Frank B The Royal Commission into Victoria Police in 1881 found that there was NO oppression. So where are you getting this fictitious rubbish from?
@@shaundgb7367 Except, the Royal Commission found that Kelly was NOT harassed by the police. Where are you getting this nonsense from?
@@shaundgb7367 The reality is there is only one truth. Much has been written in the last 40 years by Kelly fans that laud a very serious criminal. Much of it made up nonsense.
For example, look at the comments on this site that claim the police were corrupt. Yet the evidence shows very clearly that was not the position.
It begs the question, where did these people, mainly children I believe, get this fiction from? Does it come from schools or books. Probably both, and it is fiction.
Sad really to see our children being directed towards lauding a man who was a very serious murdering criminal.
@@samsabastian5560 Great Australian investigtive historians such as Professor Manning Clark and Professor Geoffrey Blainey would be good reliable sources for a start. You cannot be serious that a Royal Commission appointed by a scurrilous Government would come up with any other finding.
We know how Irish "criminals" were treated in their own nation and how miniscule charges were made of them. Why would you suggest that attitude changed after transportation. The treatment of miners at gold town like Ballarat and the forcing of licensing onto those who could not afford it speaks volumes of the cruelty dished out by their overlords.
I won a competition in the early 70s and I won a complete replica of the ned kelly suit . It was made out of cardboard but looked exactly the same as the original. I scared a lot of the neighbours with it.
Lot to unpack in that short video. Interesting but also so much wrong, for starters we didn't have dollars back then, that didn't come in until 1966. Also the family was Irish Catholic who the Colonial overlords considered sub-human. There was a really strong sentiment of the convict stain which was thought to be hereditary. His family were hounded by the corrupt & unjust constabulary because of this. He was a superb native born currency lad bushman & horseman. Because of the prevailing anti-establisment attitudes of the common man against the bunyip squatacracy he had a lot of supporters & sympathizers. I am one. Interestingly strong rumours still persist that Steve Hart or Joe Byrne survived the Glenrowan fire & moved to Qld. Also Mrs Kelly (Ellen) lived until the 1920's
Robert Clothier Then can you explain why the Royal Commission into Victoria police found there was NO harassment of Ned Kelly or his family? Where are you getting this made up nonsence from?
@@samsabastian5560 notice you have been very very busy refuting others stories. Are you a trap sympathiser? Or worse? Guessing you would have been an informer back in the day or even are now. Perhaps even a Walloper presently. Hmmm? Your knowledge of history must be pretty damn good to be so confident. So what's your story, history, background & sources to be so sure.
@@sunnydaze8 If as you allege the police were corrupt, how come in the entire Royal commission report the word 'corrupt' or its derivatives is not mentioned once?
How come the anti-police commissioners made the following finding relating to the suggestion of harassment?
“ It may also be mentioned that the charge of persecution of the family by the members of the police force has been frequently urged in extenuation of the crimes of the outlaws; but, after careful examination, your Commissioners have arrived at the conclusion that the police, in their dealings with the Kelly’s and their relations, were simply desirous of discharging their duty conscientiously; and that no evidence has been adduced to support the allegation that either the outlaws or their friends were subjected to persecution or unnecessary annoyance at the hands of the police.”
Fitzpatrick was dismissed from the police force without being given a reason. He later asked the police commissioner why he was sacked. He was told it was insubordination. He was never charged with any improper behaviour or given a chance to answer the allegations. It was a disgrace what was done to that man.
Only 3 police were dismissed from the force, those being the 3 who were at Sherritt's house when he was murdered. No other police were forced out, or resigned, as you claim.
I also have the RC report along with their recommendations. PLUS I also have the document showing the government rejected almost all of their recommendations relating to police being retired, demoted etc. Both Supt's Hare & Nicolson were in fact promoted to be police magistrates.
Now I have given you MY evidence, now present yours. Show us who was forced out. You claim I am wrong, so let's see your evidence.
@@robertclothier3597 I am on no side other than the side of truth. What I have related on this page has been researched mostly by professional historians and also by me.
That research has been extensive and there is an enormous amount of information on Trove which has a great deal of government documents, court records, historical papers, editorials etc. I am very confident that I can support what I have said with documentary evidence. Not one person who has refuted my claims has come forward with a scrap of evidence to support their claims. They have been reading fictitious nonsense written by Kelly fans, and it is all wrong. The facts speak for themselves.
Robert Clothier I asked you to present your evidence that the Kelly's were harassed by corrupt police. Why haven't you given us an answer?
I did a report for school about Ned Kelly and the injustice done to his family by the corrupt police broke my heart. If I remember correctly what really caused Ned to go gunning for the police was when one of them grabbed his sister Kate. Very sad story.
Tia Elina You have been reading a load of fictitious nonsense. The Royal Commission into Victoria police of 1881 found that the police were NOT corrupt.
Constable Fitzpatrick NEVER touched Kate Kelly. Where are you getting this rubbish from?
@@samsabastian5560 If the Royal Commission into Victorian Police found no corruption why did they reform the force and feel the need to sack and demote many of the policemen involved. Why did McIntyre's testimony at NK's Committal Hearing in Beechworth change for the trial in Melbourne? Why did the force sack Fitzpatrick for being a drunkard and a serial perjurer who couldn't be trusted. In 1894 Fitzpatrick was sentenced to 12 months in gaol for passing dud cheques at the Saracen's Head Hotel.
@@mrgoono9264 WRONG again, Mr Goono. The RC found NO corruption of police in NE Victoria. In the entire report, the word corrupt is never used in any question, answer or recommendation. You are repeating myths. The only police that were dismissed were the 3 that were in Sherritt's home. One had already resigned.
You claim that many were sacked and demoted. The only demotion, if you could call it that, was Det Ward, who was moved back one place behind the man behind him.
No other senior police were demoted. Supts Hare and Nicolson were reinstated and promoted to become Police Magistrates.
If you claim otherwise, let's see your evidence.
Fitzpatrick was not sacked for being a drunkard and a serial perjurer. He was dismissed without being given a reason. He later asked the police commissioner why he was sacked, and he was told it was for insubordination. He was never charged with any offence and was not given a chance to defend himself. How he was treated was a disgrace.
Read his evidence given in the RC. nedkelly.info/Royal-Commission.pdf
Also I suggest you read this as his story is investigated by a professional historian. nedkelly.info/fitzpatrick.pdf
Fitzpatrick may have been gaoled in 1894. Many issues there that are not clear.
For someone who claims to be clued up on Kelly issues, your knowledge is sadly lacking.
@@mrgoono9264 The testimony that McIntyre gave at Beechworth and Melbourne were the same. It was Kelly fans who made up that nonsense to discredit a fine, honest man who served his community well. I will add that when Supt Sadleir was interviewed about 30 years later, he got his facts all mixed up. He was about 80yrs old then, I believe. That is where the Kelly fans grabbed the fiction that McIntyre changed his evidence. It did not happen.
@@samsabastian5560 I was 12 yrs old when I did that report back in 1978 and got all my information from the school library’s encyclopaedics.
Isn’t it ironic that an American is the narrator of This video but not a Australian?
@@shaundgb7367 That too plus very unconvincing.
It is people that recommend it that need to look in mirror... ha ha
I've done the Ned Kelly Tour. Actually been in the hotel where he may have been. I have a small statue in the lounge. 😁 I think his armour is in he State Library of Vicoria.
Ned Kelly is the one Australian that most Australians can quote "Such is life".
One of at least two. Don't forget "Well may you say God Save the Queen...". Mind you, there's also "unrepresentative swill"
@@locohombreau "Life wasn't meant to be easy", if you are a little older.
Or "Any boss who sacks someone for not turning up to work today is a bum."
Heckler: "If you were the Archangel Gabriel, I wouldn't vote for you“
Menzies: "If I were the Archangel Gabriel, you wouldn't be in my constituency"
macman I hope you realise that Ned Kelly never uttered those words.
@@samsabastian5560 Indeed the initial newspaper reports suggested Ned was silent on his way to the gallows. One newspaper reported NK's final words were "Such is Life" in an attempt to sensationalise. Governor Castieau reported that NK uttered these words when he told him when he was to be executed.
Was Ned just defending himself? The police would never have attested to that.They harassed him from day 1 just as they do today.. They had no constraints, no matter what the Crown said because they were so far from England.He was turned into a criminal. Don't forget he had to fend for the family from aged twelve. His whole life was hard. It often doesn't matter what happens to people if they at least get some loving support. His support was from a gang. BUT WE LOVE HIM. In any case, my family has the name Kelly amongst them Are we? Dunno.
truthsout Then how come that the Royal Commission found that the police acted properly regarding the Kelly's criminality? You are following fictitious rubbish.
@@samsabastian5560 YOU are following fictitious rubbish. Many changes were made following Ned Kelly's demise and the police's behaviour was brought to light. There were some good people in the judiciary, then, fairminded, which none of our politicians are except Craig Kelly today, and maybe half the Police.Kelly was a fairly good person to start with, but his mother being jailed for 3 yrs with a baby at the breast and after the Kellys said they would do the time instead of her and were refused, it completely brought him undone which was the intent.
@@783342 So what is fictitious about my comment? You are claiming that police behaviour was brought to light. So please inform us what you are referring to?
Ellen Kelly bashed Fitzpatrick with a fire shovel, knocking him unconscious. She was charged with being an accessory to attempted murder, and a jury of 12 men convicted her.
Had she not been such a hot headed dimwit, she would not have been charged.
Bear in mind that had Dan gone with Fitzpatrick, he would have been released as he was not the guilty party on that occasion.
Why did Ned Kelly burst into the room and fire 3 shots at Fitzpatrick? He was the initiator, not Fitzpatrick.
Victoria became a self governing colony with its own parliament in 1855. The police answered to the Victorian Government, not the British Government, so the distance from England had nothing at all to do with the case.
@@783342 Still waiting for you to come up with the goods, truthsout. Where are you?
The video doesn't mention the whole reason the Fitzpatrick drama kicked off was because the creep grabbed Ned and Dan's sister Kate, who was only 14 at the time, provoking Dan to start throwing hands.
How exactly Fitzpatrick got shot is anyone's guess: Fitzpatrick said Ned shot him unprovoked, Ned said no one shot him and he probably did it to himself, Kate said Ned shot him after he grabbed her, Jim Kelly & their cousin Tom Lloyd said Fitzpatrick hit his hand on the door lock and only claimed it was a bullet wound, Brickey Willson said Ned shot him in self defense after Fitzpatrick drew his gun first, and 3 other cops said Ned admitted to shooting him after capture.
JazzytCat Fitzpatrick had nothing to do with kicking off the drama, as you claim. He never touched Kate. She made up that rubbish 10 months after the event.
After Kelly was captured, he admitted to shooting Fitzpatrick, and he also confirmed that Fitzpatrick never went near Kate.
So where are you getting this fictitious rubbish from?
You claim that Williamson confirmed that Ned shot him in self defence. You just made that up, didn't you?
When Williamson was interviewed in gaol by the Chief Commission of Police, Captain Standish, he confirmed Fitzpatrick's version. Read it yourself.
nedkelly.info/Royal-Commission.pdf Question 3.
You are talking a load of fictional garbage. Where are you getting this rubbish from?
@@samsabastian5560 You live in the wrong time squealer we do not victim shame no days although I couldn't expect a pig to get that. She was a child and just like an arrogant pig he thought he could touch her. There was an investigation into the cops when I was a kid half the force lost their jobs for giving out licences in exchange for sex. They haven't changed still corrupt. We see it all the time cops water boarding mentally ill people for example they are a law unto themselves. I see a cop I walk on other side of road head down no eye contact they are evll
@@cattmcgregor5078 What a charming character you are. What sort of parent would you be to children with that attitude?
@@samsabastian5560 lol you are a cop. Cops always say shit like that. It comes from their arrogant idea that they are some how better than the average person. So really you saying that to me means next to nothing as you mean nothing. And really you think reading a couple of comments gives you enough information about me to judge my parenting abilitys there is that cop arrogance again. You need to get a life and move on. I am in isolation. What's your excuse squealer
@@cattmcgregor5078 I actually had a military career.
He’s in the grey area. Neither good nor bad
TheLyds01 Kelly was bad through and through as the facts show. Far too much fiction written that hides his true nature and his extensive criminality.
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Mick Jagger played Kelly in one of the movies!! It was an absolute shocker 😂 The best one I've seen, aside from the romantic interest which never happened, is Heath Ledger's. By the way it's not JerALDery, it's Jerilderee and his accomplices surname was Byrne. As an Englishman, you will know how to pronounce it. The American mistakes are driving me nuts. I think the biggest mistake the Kelly Gang made was shooting the police. It may not have been necessary. There is a whole history of the power of the squatters which has been left out. I don't think Ned killed anyone at Glen Rowan either but I might be mistaken.
Elizabeth Ned Kelly shot a hostage in the eye at Glenrowan. He was playing with a stolen pistol when it discharged, hitting George Metcalf in the right eye. Kelly refused him medical attention and he died 2 months later.
The squatters had been removed from the area before Ned Kelly developed his criminal empire. The government enacted The Lands Act in 1860, but it had some difficulties. By 1870 the settlers had won. The squatters were gone. Your comment regarding squatters is without any facts.
@@samsabastian5560 Thanks. Always happy to learn
@Ursus54 You're right of course. It's a typo and I'm about to fix it. Thanks 🙂
@@samsabastian5560 Agreed, NK should've been charged with the manslaughter of Metcalf.
Squattocracy survived into the 20th century but they ended up calling squatters other names like pastoralists. My father was twice run off my grandfather's property because my grandmother didn't want a working man of Irish Catholic heritage near the homestead and certainly didn't want him dating her daughter. Under the 1862 Duffy Land Act squatters retained the most fertile land while the scraps went to poor selectors. Not only did the selectors get the less fertile land but they also could only work their selection, and were forbidden from getting external employment. On top of that they had to pay the government far more money than the squatters paid. The initial squatter's runs in North East Victoria were anywhere from 20,000 to 100,000 acres and was leasehold. The Duffy Act allowed the best part of leases to be turned into freehold.
NK's grandfather was a squatter while his mother was a selector under the Duffy Act.
@@mrgoono9264 I wouldn't exactly say that Ellen Kelly's 88 acres was on poor ground, would you?
"The Story of the Kelly Gang" was the worlds first full length movie and was produced in 1906.
Here is a link to some of the remaining footage from it.
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Well, Rob, whoever gave you that left out most of Ned's life,. for which our empathetic sides kicked in and most of us revered him for his stances against corrupt police..The last straw for him was when they jailed his breastfeeding Mum(though Ned offered to do her time instead) and for something I'm not sure she did. From then on it was no holds barred.
truthsaout Ellen Kelly was properly convicted before a jury of 12 men. They found her guilty. William Williamson who was there confirmed what Fitzpatrick stated was true, and Ned Kelly himself admitted that he had been there and that he did shoot Fitzpatrick. He also confirmed that his sister, Kate, was not approached by Fitzpatrick.
Your comments continue to follow myths, lies and fiction, as usual.
There’s a walking tour around the town of Glenrowan where Kelly’s Last Stand took place which is really interesting. You can also go to the Old Melbourne Gaol in the CBD and see where he was hanged and the cell he was kept in. A lot of Aussies are conflicted by him which I think you fell the same way. He was a hero of the poor against the tyranny of the police but he did seem to go too far sometimes.
Leanne Dye You claim that Ned Kelly was a hero of the poor. That is made up nonsense. Ned Kelly ROBBED the poor quite extensively, taking their work horses, effectively sending them bankrupt, and was considered by most who lived in the Greta region to be avoided at all times, as were the entire criminal, Kelly family. If you think he was a hero of the poor, you have been misled big time. You also claim tyranny of the police, when the Royal Commission held in 1881 found that the police acted properly in dealing with the Kelly's. Where are you getting your information from, as what you are stating is fictitious nonsense?
there is also a death mask of ned kelly done after he was cut down from the rope and is on display at melbourne gaol
Mathew Brady was a really interesting Tasmanian bushranger- known as Gentleman Brady. Worth a look if you're interested in Bushranger history.
When he was young, Ned courageously saved a young child from drowning in a river.
A fact that is often overlooked.
Neil Gill It was a creek and there were many others assisting.
@@samsabastian5560 But Kelly was awarded a sash by the townfolk / community, was he not?.
Are you related to the Victorian Governor of that time?
@@flamingfrancis No, it was supposedly donated by the family of Richard Shelton. There is no documentary evidence of it happening, and in the 1970's, a very old Shelton family member stated she had never heard of it from the family history. It probably happened, but we have no real evidence.
Neil Gill Another fact that is overlooked is that Ned Kelly murdered 3 police officers in cold blood, and he shot two other police trying to kill them too.
Kelly was directly responsible for the deaths of 10 innocent people.
Richard Shelton’s grandson was Ian “Bluey” Shelton, who was a feared centre-half-back for Essendon in the VFL in the early sixties. He had a farming accident where steel entered his eye, which put him out for the 1964 season. He returned in 1965, played in the premiership team, and retired. He only died in the last year or so.
He was neither a robin hood or a criminal, he was a good man driven to the brink by a corrupt police force.
HowlingCurve Tech & Gaming The Royal Commission found that the police were not corrupt. So where are you getting this fictitious garbage from?
@@sunnydaze8 If you claim Fitzpatrick was dismissed for the sins you claim, show us your evidence. The second RC related to how the police force could be reworked.
@@sunnydaze8 So why aren't you showing us the evidence, Mumma LJ? You say you have copies of both reports, and you have made claims that are fictitious rot. So kindly prove what you claim. The reality is, there is not a shred of evidence in those reports that support your comments, is there? There is, however, plenty of evidence that supports my comments.
@@sunnydaze8 czcams.com/video/RXg551VQFbc/video.html
Another fact that is overlooked is that when Constable Fitzpatrick showed up at the Kelly's residence he was drunk and attempted to arrest Dan Kelly without a warrant despite direct instruction that no officer should attend the home alone.
Fitzpatrick then demanded Kate Kelly (the younger sister who was 14) make him a meal and sexually assaulted her. Dan Kelly wrestled him to the ground and Fitzpatrick's gun went off and a bullet hit him in the wrist. Ned wasn't even there but Fitzpatrick had to create a cover story for the whole incident
This was ultimately instigated the events that followed as the Kelly's felt they had been targeted constantly by a police force they felt was corrupt simply because of their family history and because they were poor
Lachlan Myers. Your comment is WRONG. Fitzpatrick was not drunk, as you claim. He stopped at the Winton hotel and had one brandy and lemonade.
There was NO instruction that police were not to attend the Kelly home alone. Made up nonsense.
Fitzpatrick did not approach Kate Kelly at all. She made up that rubbish 10 months later to discredit the police officer.
Ned Kelly WAS there and after his capture at Glenrowan he admitted to being there and shooting Fitzpatrick.
Kelly also confirmed that the officer did not touch his sister.
The Royal Commission into Victoria police in 1881 found that the police in NE Victoria treated the Kelly's properly and that they were NOT harassed.
Not one matter you referred to is correct. You have stated fictional rubbish throughout your comment.,
@@samsabastian5560 Hahahaha. Oh thats right, forgot you were in the Kelly house so know 'the facts'. You'll go to hell and back won't you to protect the police. Ned would never defend Fitzpatrick. Another hard core IRISH name , another Irishman working with the police. As I have said to you before you are not of the Irish ( or even English) ancestry and have no comprehension of the mindset of both backgrounds. Especially at that time and even now. After 700 years of shocking genocidal oppression of the Irish by the English,its in the DNA. Hence, Ned Kelly would not have defended an Irishman seen as a 'traitor' for any reason. It's likely Fitzpatrick felt up a young dirt poor Irish colleen a little as who'd believe her? In authority that is. Is this what you do?? Wander around the internet with your Kelly obsession?? Hahahaha. I better watch it, I'm getting an obbsession with you. You're such fun.
I think his family was hounded by the police from day one. I think it was a clear over-step by the courts when they threw his mother in jail, with hard labour, for 3 years. Unless you are a saint, you are going to retaliate. Maybe not a saint, but neither was here a villain. A sad tale of a young man and a family who could not escape the persecution by the law and the courts and their circumstance. Remember back then, it was not easy to just move away and start again, when you had a whole family to consider, as Ned was the bread winner.
56music The Royal Commission into Victoria police of 1881 found that the police were NOT corrupt, nor were the Kelly's hounded. Where are you getting this rubbish from?
56music The RC found that the police did not hound the Kelly's as you claim. It was a jury of 12 men who found Ellen Kelly guilty. The Kelly's were never persecuted as you claim. They were heavily involved in criminal activity and police rightly paid attention to them. Had they lived normal decent honest lives, the police would never have gone near them.
It WAS easy to move, and the Kelly's continually moved further away from police, so they could carry on their criminal activity without police being near them.
@@samsabastian5560 Where are you getting this propaganda crap from squealer.
@@cattmcgregor5078 The Kelly's were heavily involved in criminal activities. Ellen Kelly was leading her boys into criminal enterprises. Ned Kelly boasted that he had stolen 280 horses.
But, I suppose, you would think it was improper for the police to be paying attention to a man who robbed so often from the poor settlers? What do you object to in my writings above?
@@samsabastian5560 Sam I think Scarto has a new screen name!!
The first Mandalorian!
Just watched your vid about Ned. Thanks Robo. You get a Fums up mate.
The State Library on Swanson St, Melbourne has Ned Kelly's original armour. Free to look at. Beautiful building as well. And yes, Melbourne gaol is where he was hanged and there is a death mask too ( quite a few of these macabre things in fact) Glenrowan is doable for a day trip from Melbs. And there a a couple of really lovely wineries up that way too. I can highly recommend Morrison's of Glenrowan. Stunning views of Kelly country, run by a lovely retired( supposedly!) couple.
Tri Arb You will be interested to know what the Victoria State Library have pulled down their Kelly myths and are having them rewritten by a professional historian. No need to tell you who got that organised.
I’ve watched a vid on CZcams called The True Story Of Ned Kelly by Bluerangestudios. Real pictures of Ned, his home etc. it’s longish but worth a watch, even just the beginning to get an idea of the truth. Somethings in this vid on here are true. From what I watched in Real Story Of Ned, the man talking did a lot of digging to find the truth, did he? it’s a bit different in parts. My sister lived a few country towns away from where the real Kelly’s now live - many people don’t go near them, they are a very tight bunch.
Bernadette Landers The Bluerange Studio video is fiction from top to bottom. Not a fact anywhere in that rubbish.
The word you were looking for was "accountability" lol
I saw the real armour in State library of Victoria recently! And I went to the gaol where he was kept and hanged. Very interesting and a bit dark.
It should be noted that the video spouts out a good number of towns and locations, but doesn't give context... Glenrowan is 236km (146 miles) from Melbourne, 643km (400 miles) from Sydney. It's not like the UK where there's another town within 5 miles....
In this period it was still predominantly class/caste based, Protestants at the top, English then Scots, Catholics below them, implying Irish, both sides then deriding the Chinese - who were looking for gold and were predominantly males.
The Colony of Victoria became a colony in 1851, responsible government in 1855, and gold was discovered in 1851.... prosperity was abound until the banks collapsed in 1893.
Piers Jackson Your comment regarding ethnicities is a load of garbage. Two of the early premiers in Victoria were Irish. 82% of the police were Irish.
Your comment is made up nonsense.
@@samsabastian5560 I didn't state anything about Police or their make-up, I simply implied that those with "power" were Protestant, importantly those with wealth and land... the impoverished were more likely to be Irish, and Catholic.
Until the 1950's the demographics of Australia were mostly Anglo-Celtic, officially the indigenous people weren't counted until 1967.
@@PiersDJackson Yet when a school was needed for their children, the entire community banded together regardless of their ethnic origin or religion to build what was needed.
The same occurred for churches. There were many community based projects where all the residents, regardless of ethnicity or religion, helped build what was needed.
Reference for this information. Dr. Doug Morrissey PhD who is an expert on Kelly matters.
Ned didn't seem to care about peoples race when he attacked Chinese hawker Ah Fook
@@PiersDJackson Then what about James Whitty? A man who came to Victoria from Ireland penniless, who worked hard and built a sound and prosperous business on the land.
Just for the record, he was Catholic. Two of the premiers of Victoria in the early years were Irish, and both were Catholic. You're off with the fairies, Piers.
Ned had issues with the corrupt authorities, not the people.
Moz Pogson Corrupt authorities? Kindly refer us to the evidence that the authorities were corrupt? The authorities were not corrupt as you claim, as the evidence clearly shows.
Not the people, you claim? The facts are that the people loathed Ned Kelly and his thieving, as many a poor settler was targeted by Kelly and the Greta Mob, stealing their work horses in the dead of night, effectively sending them bankrupt. Your knowledge of this vicious criminal is very poor indeed.
also the police imprisoned his mother and infant sibling, poisoned the water of the farm his 3 sisters under the age of 15 who were left to fend for themselves
Beckarena Thompson RUBBISH COMMENT. The police did NOT imprison Ellen Kelly. She was found guilty by a jury of 12 men from the area, and the judge sentenced her to 3 years in gaol. She bashed a police officer over the head with a fire shovel, knocking him unconscious. She was charged with being an accessory to the attempted murder of Constable Alexander Fitzpatrick. Your comment that police poisoned the water at the farm is made up garbage. It never happened. Ellen's children had extensive family in the area to assist in looking after her daughters. Had she not attacked a police officer so viciously, she would not have gone to gaol. Her own actions caused her problems, nothing else.
You are repeating fiction made up by Kelly fans to degrade the police. Try reading something factual in future instead of the nonsense and fake news you have been reading.
You have been conned big time.
Mmmm the corruption - with a massive chip on his shoulder he could have been a lot worse. When I was 11 my family did a tour of
Olde Melbourne Gaol & I remember standing up at the very top beside the hanging area where the trapdoor could be almost stood on and the noose for show swung about. It felt almost dissociative up there - seperate - it’s own little world. It felt sad and lonely as well. A very strong memory either way.
SAM I The Royal Commission into Victoria police of 1881 found that the police were NOT corrupt. Where are you getting this garbage from?
Mick Jagger once played Ned Kelly in a 1970 Australian Movie .. can you believe that ? now that’s sweet tripping ! It was terrible , but don’t blame us as it was made by a Englishman called Tony Richardson.
I was very lucky to work at National Archives of Australia and I saw the original pencil drawing of Ned Kelly been shot the old pencil drawing were so detailed they showed six people police offices standing around his body posing a couple of them were holding guns/ riffles in a room and they even drawn in the blood around Neds body.
D Dorey Can you please write in English next time. What you have written is not English.
@@samsabastian5560 fuck off do you understand that you spelling bee wanker
Rob the old Melbourne gaol where he was hanged has all of his items there, you can even go into his cell...... very eerie, the gaol is located in the city (Melbourne)
Went there as a child. Freaked me out. Full if ghosts.
Ben Hall and Harry Power (along with two others) were in a bushranger gang together, they stole a carriage full of gold headed for a Bank in Melbourne
I've been a Ned Kelly historian and tour guide in Beechworth for 15 years. This video is extremely inaccurate. We know more about Ned than Queen Victoria so I often wonder why so many documentaries get the facts wrong.
Because it’s American. Americans change history to suit themselves. It’s as if they can’t understand anything that’s different to what they know and so they Americanise it, hence using dollars instead of pounds as Americans won’t understand pounds.
I watched an old American mini series about the Holocaust this week and it was nauseating how American they made it. Not just the accents, lots of little details just made American.
Btw, I’ve come to this conclusion based on many documentaries and history videos, not just a couple. It’s a pattern. As a general rule, I avoid history by Americans now. I made an exception for the mini series thinking it would be better as it was made in 1978 but it wasn’t, so back to my rule.
0:42 Ned's final stand was in the bush next to the inn. This looks nothing like Glenrowan. None of the police at Glenrowan were wearing police uniforms.
1:00 Correct Rob, the helmet looks totally different.
1:19 There is no proof of Ned's birth. I'd be inclined to agree with December 1854 but there is no record to confirm this.
3:40 Ned gave his age as eleven and a half on his father's death entry. I've seen no record suggesting that Ned was involved in crime before his apprenticeship to Power.
4:04 A barn and a windmill? Is this Holland? The Kellys lived in a wood and bark shanty.
5:20 I've never heard of any highway robberies being done with knives. Power said that Ned was no more than a brash young lad who hid in the bush holding the horses for the escape while Power did all the work.
5:26 Ned was held in the Kyneton lockup when suspected as being Power's apprentice and released without charge.
5:45 Old Jimmy Quinn, Ned's grandfather, had passed by this stage. Ned's uncle Jimmy Quinn jnr., a former cellmate of Power's, had control of the station while Power was hiding there. Jimmy Quinn jnr. and Jack Lloyd shared the reward money (pounds not dollars).
6:19 Senior Constable Hall was a rotund man. They have missed Ned's first gaol stint when he did 4 months for sending an offensive package to a lady (offensive language on his gaol record) and assault. Ned was in the Beechworth Gaol when Wright stole the horse.
7:54 Ned fought "Wild" Wright in 20 rounds of London Prize Ring Rules behind he Imperial Hotel in Beechworth. This isn't boxing. Boxing is Marquess of Queensberry Rules and has timed rounds and gloves. A boxing ring? Wild Wright wasn't knocked out, he gave up.
8:32 "Miss Kelly" was "Mrs. Kelly".
8:44 They all got hard labour. Women were never crushing rocks during hard labour, they were working in the prison kitchen or laundry or making mail bags. Ellen Kelly had her infant daughter Alice in gaol with her.
8:56 $120 reward? It was £500 each after they killed police, £1,000 after they robbed Euroa, then £2,000 after they robbed Jerilderie.
9:10 "Joe Beern"? Joe Byrne's surname is pronounced burn. Dan Kelly and Steve Hart were only teenagers when the gang formed. These depictions look nothing like them.
9:25 The police who were hunting the Kellys were in plain clothes. Two policemen were at camp when the Kellys bailed them up. Lonigan fought back and was shot dead. McIntyre was taken hostage. When Kennedy and Scanlon came back to camp they were asked to surrender but fought back. Scanlon was killed and McIntyre escaped. Ned chased Kennedy through the bush and put him out of his misery as he lay bleeding to death. Ned should have been convicted of Kennedy's murder as he admitted it and putting someone out of their misery was not legal in any part of the British Empire. Dan Kelly was wounded in the shoulder.
11:44 How do you mispronounce "Jerilderie" like that?
15:22 At this stage the Byrnes lived in Byrne Gully, Sebastapol, in the Woolshed Valley. Aaron Sherritt had a selection at Sheepstation Creek, closer to Beechworth. Not really neighbours. Sherritt claimed he never got paid for helping the police but had a bar tab set up by Detective Ward at the Hibernian. Sherritt sent the police on a goose chase before helping the gang escape New South Wales after the Jerilderie robbery. He was caught with a police party by Joe's mum, Maggie, who then withheld his cut of the robbery money and cancelled his marriage to her daughter Kate. Sherritt then stole Kate Byrne's horse and tried to gift it to Kate Kelly. He told Maggie Byrne he'd kill her son, stole from her daughter and nearly got Ned and Dan's sisters gaoled for Receiving a Stolen horse.
15:38 While Ned and Steve were at Glenrowan ripping up the railway tracks, Joe and Dan went to Aaron's new hut to murder him. They took his German neighbour hostage who persuaded Aaron to open the back door. He was standing next to his pregnant 16 y/o wife when his best mate Joe Byrne gunned him down. Dan was covering the front door. The police who were meant to guard Aaron were hiding under his bed when Joe and Dan sent the widow Sherritt and her mother into the bedroom to flush them out. Joe and Dan jumped on their horses and rode to Glenrowan. The gang's plan to derail a train of police at Glenrowan went wrong because the police were too cowardly to emerge from Sherritts hut until the following day. The police in Melbourne didn't learn about Sherritt's murder until a full day after it happened and the police special train was not at Glenrowan until after midnight. At midnight Ned called off the plan, because he didn't want to derail a civilian train, and started to let hostages go. A schoolteacher flagged down the police special and the Glenrowan Siege started at the Inn.
16:40 They planned to take hostages of the police to swap for family and friends in gaol. They had an army behind them who would join them as they marched on Benalla to take the banks and barracks before taking the banks in Beechworth.
18:04 This is the weight of Ned's armour. Joe, Dan and Steve had lighter armour.
18:08 Annie Jones' Inn was single storey.
18:10 Again, none of the police had uniforms on. The gang were outside for the initial fight.
18:28 The gang all planned to escape. Ned didn't escape until his best mate Joe was shot dead beside him. Steve and Dan were meant to escape with him. Ned's cousin Tom Lloyd guarded an unconscious Ned Kelly for much of the night and when he came to and heard that the boys hadn't escaped he took on the police by himself. He was captured with at least 28 wounds. In the First World War the biggest compliment for an Australian soldier was "He's as game as Ned Kelly".
18:52 The police shot at some hostages. Annie Jones lost both her children.
20:30 After a Committal hearing in Beechworth Ned was sent to Melbourne to answer for the murder of Constable Lonigan. Ned was hanged for the murder of Lonigan who was probably shot by Joe Byrne. He was not charged with any other offences.
20:53 He might have been 26.
21:04 18 months of investigation.
Watch the 1980 miniseries "The Last Outlaw". It's as close to the truth as they get. Don't believe any movie on Ned Kelly that has Mick Jagger, Heath Ledger or Russell Crowe in it. czcams.com/video/VqEq82Qxkd0/video.html
I'm Joe Byrne in this documentary by Tony Robinson: czcams.com/video/0pPaIFYiWbg/video.html (We get it wrong too. All the gang are wearing replica NK suits and the director wanted the police to wear uniforms)
@@moniquem783 I'm actually surprised by some of the details they got right. There are plenty of worse documentaries on NK.
@@mrgoono9264 wow! You definitely know your stuff! Are you a NK historian as a job or just for fun?
I still have a huge amount to study about Australian history. I hated history at school, it was just boring dates, and have only gotten into it in the last few years. Really since my Oma died and I felt I could start finding out more about WW2 without betraying her or Opa, as they never spoke of it. I’ve become really interested in historical cooking and have started collecting old cookbooks, particularly British homefront/rationing cookbooks. I would love to learn more about rationing in Australia and find some cookbooks but I haven’t been able to find much so far. I did find a book about Colac during the war which was really interesting. No ration details or recipes but still wonderful.
I can see that the war and cooking is just a starting point for me. I’m getting more and more interested in all topics. Except American history 😂😂
@@moniquem783 I do NK and gold rush history for a living but have an interest in all history.
There aren't many recipes in the old newspapers. Wombat stew was served around here in the 1800s. There wouldn't be any tougher meat than wombat. The mini-series I linked to shows some of the food eaten back in NK's day.
Mick Jagger played Ned Kelly in the 1970 movie of the same name. ( police accountability) might be the term you're looking for.
And bloody awful at acting he was too!
Oh I just posted both points 🤣
Apparently a lot of police in those days were villains, and it was alleged Ned was blamed for crimes he did not commit. I think a lot of Aussies revere Ned as a type of hero per se for the down-trodden people of his day . 👍
Steven Heywood How many times do I have to repeat myself on this site? The Royal Commission into Vic Police found that the police were not corrupt, and that they dealt with the Kelly's properly, as they should have. Ned Kelly got away with most of the criminal acts he committed on poor settlers. He bragged about stealing 280 horses, but was only ever charged with one count of horse stealing. There were no downtrodden people in NE Victoria. Where are you getting that piece of fiction from? The down trodden were the victims of Kelly's extensive horse stealing business that sent many a poor settler bankrupt.
@@samsabastian5560 go away...you need help.
@@osocool1too How about you and most of the people commenting on this page learn the truth, because at the moment you and others are making fictional statements that are not true, as the facts show.
@@osocool1too It's you that needs help, to get your mind out of the fiction, myth, lies gutter.
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My great grandfather was the partner of the lawyer who defended Ned Kelly at his final trial. What isn't often mentioned is that Ned was convicetd of murdering Constable Lonigan despite the autopsy confirming that he had in fact died from a single gunshot wound from his own weapon. Kelly had fired at him as he was drawing his weapon, but Kelly missed. The other two police were killed in a subsequent gunfight with many shots being exchanged. The surviving policeman dsidn't have a weapon on him and wasn't fired upon even when he ran away.
Aaron Skerrit was shot by Joe Byrne prior to the siege at Glen Rowan, not by Kelly. No Police died at the siege. Two of the hostages held by the gang were shot by Police and the other three members of the gang died in the siege.
Prior to the siege the Victorian government had enacted a special act of parliament declaring that any of the four members of the gang could be shot on site. They were effectively in a situation where if they gave themselves up they would be executed and if they didn't anyone could kill them anyway.
MH20 Private Videos RUBBISH. Dr. Reynolds at Ned Kelly's trial who did the autopsy on Lonigan found 4 wounds, all fired by Ned Kelly from one shot. Your comment is made up fiction.
The evidence given at Kelly's trial confirmed that Lonigan was NOT drawing his weapon. That comment is made up fiction. As Sgt Kennedy and Constable Scanlan rode into camp, Kelly and his gang opened fire on them without giving them a chance to surrender or defend themselves. Scanlan was murdered without a weapon in hand as he had fallen from his horse.
The Felons Apprehensions Act did NOT permit the outlaws to be shot on site. Another garbage comment from you.
Your statement that McIntyre was not fired at as he escaped at Stringybark Creek is rubbish. All four gang members fired at him.
You have no idea what you are talking about, as your comments follow fictitious rubbish. Try reading some facts here. nedkelly.info
@@samsabastian5560 only you squealer you are WRONG face it. These people know more than you squealer
@@cattmcgregor5078 All you can do is abuse. That is typical of a Kelly nut case. With the fiction that you write, you are a very ignorant person, and an abuser like your mate Ned Kelly, the vicious murderer.
@@cattmcgregor5078 Scarto Is that your new screen name?
@@cattmcgregor5078 What I repeated was directly from evidence given in court by the eyewitness, and he was believed as his evidence was supported by Dr. Samuel Reynolds, who carried out the autopsies on all 3 police that Kelly viciously murdered. I am stating facts, that you deny are even there. You live in a world of delusion.
It was only Sherrit that got shot, and it was only Byrne, Kelly that came to the house they held the cops captive and then they left without burning the house down, or shooting the police.
Love Ned! Poor bloke had a rough trot. I have a little statue of him in my lounge 😁
L K Ned Kelly lived the high life. Maybe you should educate yourself better and consider all his numerous victims, and there were plenty.
@@samsabastian5560 how do you know what I know about him? 🤔😃
@@LisavonAustralis Because you claimed that he had a rough trot? He lived the high life by stealing from poor settlers.
You are right 👍🏻My claim of "a rough trot" is the sum total of my knowledge and sole basis for my opinion 🤔😉
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When you go to Melbourne visit the Melbourne Gaol where he was hanged. They have a plater cast of his face and replicas of his armour that you can try on. Also lots of other interesting convicts
That plaster cast is what it traditionally called a Death Mask and was made soon after he was pronounced dead.
Come on Rob, the word is accountability 😂
Also fun fact, Mick Jagger played Ned Kelly in a movie of his life in the 70's.
I prefer Yahoo Serieous's Reckless Kelly ! :)
My mind went blank!
@@shaundgb7367 And he is missing the Iron in Vegemite......does wonders for the Haemoglobin count plus adds Thiamin (Vitamin B1) Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) Niacin (Vitamin B3)
Who can understand the casting of Mick Jagger to play Ned Kelly. The body types are chalk and cheese.
I am really amazed that the "BIG' statue of Ned Kelly is just south of Maryborough in Queensland. I know there is a "Ned Kelly Motel there but Maryborough is known as the birthplace of Mary Poppins, somewhat different to the likes of Ned. Ned plied his trade in Northern Victoria and Southern NSW from what I remember of my history lessons. the words of one song I remember were "Don't go to Glen Rowan Ned, they'll catch you if you do, but he heeded not the words of the "Little Kangaroo" (that may have been his sister).
Anyone who was either incarcerated or escaped from Pentridge suffered badly. The inmates there were not just criminals but people with disabilities (eg downs syndrome) as well. They were tortured and experimented on. A practice that continued until it was finally shut down. It's now quite a lovely housing estate. To have someone with that kind of history as a mentor... Who would respect the authorities?
If I remember correctly. In the beginning Ned was arrested for assaulting a policeman, but, he was protecting his mother because she was being assaulted by the policeman.
Yvonne Johnson RUBBISH comment. That never happened. If you claim it did happen, let's see your evidence. What you are stating is fictitious nonsense.
@@samsabastian5560 I'm sorry if that's not correct, but that's what we were taught at school.
@@yvonnejohnson3232 Would you mind telling me what school, as that school needs to be informed that they are teaching children fiction.
@@samsabastian5560 It was a long time ago. and I can't remember the name of the school.
Actually Yvonne, it was Ellen Kelly that bashed Constable Fitzpatrick. He was standing quietly alongside Dan Kelly waiting for him to finish a meal when Ned Kelly burst into the room and fired 3 shots at him, the second shot hitting him in his wrist. At the same time, Ellen Kelly, Ned's mother, bashed the officer over the head with a fire shovel, knocking him senseless.
It seems that your teachers got the story ALL wrong.
They didn’t mention the best bit. Just as he was to be hanged his last quote was “Such is Life”. Famous and you will see bumper stickers, TShirts and the like with the phrase.
I’m interested in our Bushrangers. A branch of Mums family knew Ben Hall.
JG Sheehan Ned Kelly never said those words on the gallows. You have been conned, sport.
@@shaundgb7367 But Ben is pretty dumb, isn't he?
We took my daughter down to Melbourne when she was 4. They really change up the story depending who you are with.
Just fyi, the kids family didn't give him the sash, it was given by the local government for bravery
Adam Not true.
@@samsabastian5560 If you are going to discredit every post that is made here you might, at very least, provide the proper documented evidence to the contrary.
@@flamingfrancis There is no documentary evidence to support this occurring. Even one of the Shelton family, in 1973 in her 90's, said she had never heard of it.
It probably did happen.
One thing that tends to be left out of the story is Ned Kelly was a big, very strongly built bloke especially for the time.
Hart Poole Ned Kelly was 5 foot 10 inches. Or 177 cm.
You and Charlie will have to go to ole Melbourne jail and see where Ned was hung and his outfit …also can go to pentridge too but it’s now mostly just houses but they have left part of the jail so you can see it …and the Library is pretty cool place definitely an Insta moment and the museum is and awesome day out
It’s all history no matter if he was bad or good the history of it makes it exciting to learn about
There's a lot of missing information in this video. So many of the modern day interpretations of the story HEAVILY follow the British side of things and neglect a ton of the facts that made Ned Kelly someone the public sympathised with. The biggest problem with learning about Kelly is Kelly historians have to comb through both the sides that favour the Kellys that write him as a legend and the side that favours the crown. With most of the easy to access stuff being from British accounts rather than that of neutral ground that's been preserved since. Ian Jones has been seen as the definitive Kelly historian to those getting interested in the topic and was very instrumental in the documentary bluerangestudio made back in 2001, which is now uploaded to CZcams for free. The topic is divisive as it was when it happened, but it'll help give you a greater image of the story and why it's carried on in the hearts of the Australian people.
Douglas The people of North East Victoria loathed the Kelly's. They avoided them wherever and when ever possible. The locals knew the Kelly's were stealing their livestock, but could not prove it. Your claim that he had a large group of sympathisers is fiction. There were 14,500 people living in NE Victoria, and about 250 were Kelly supporters. Most were family, extended family and criminal associates.
Ian Jones is a discredited author who made up copious amounts of fictitious rubbish relating to Ned Kelly. One example is his claim that Ned Kelly intended to proclaim a republic in NE Victoria. It was nonsense and not one fact to support that fiction exists. Professional historians reject his book outright as being garbage.
Blue Range Studio on YT is a load of fictitious nonsense, with not a fact to be seen anywhere.
There is only one truth, and Ian Jones did not write much that was truthful at all.
I think the whole story has been romanticised quite a bit. Here in Australia, we hate people who see themselves as better than everyone else, so I can understand why people would hate the corrupt police for protecting the rich elites, and the Kelly Gang was sticking it to the police, so naturally that would've gained them sympathisers.
Even so, it was still wrong. We like to see Ned Kelly as a kind of folk hero. There was even a folk-tale for a while that Ned's final words before being hanged were "Such is life." That has since been debunked, and we now know his final words were "Ah well, I suppose." Which I'd argue is even more Australian. Anyway, I guess every country has tales of outlaws who were folk heroes.
Bonnie and Clyde, Dick Turpin, Robin Hood, Zorro, we all love those kinds of stories.
JokeCubed The Royal Commission into Victoria police of 1881 found that the police were NOT corrupt, nor were the Kelly's hounded.
Ned Kelly never said Such is Life on the gallows. Fiction through and through.
The first feature movie made any where in the world, long before Hollywood. Was made in Australia " the Kelly gang"
"As game as Ned Kelly" is a well known saying in Australia. He was flawed, intelligent, loyal and brave. He could have escaped but returned to the hotel. He was a product of the times.
Veritas Ned Kelly had the intelligence of a sheep. Where was he going to escape to? He was so intelligent, he could not even get out of his armour without someone helping to get it off. Intelligent be damned. He was loyal alright. Giving up his mate Harry Power and arranging the murder of his friend Aaron Sherritt. You have no idea of the vindictive vicious thug he was.
@@samsabastian5560 I did say was flawed. He could have gone anywhere it was Kelly country. Have you ever read his letters. He was intelligent. You seem to forget how vicious and bigoted the police were. As I said he was a product of the times.
@@veritas4517 Your comment follows the fiction written by pro Kelly authors that paint a very distorted picture of Kelly. His letters were not written by him. The Royal Commission stated clearly that the police acted with integrity regarding their dealings with the Kelly's. Your understanding of this vicious, murdering thug is abysmal.
Ned Kelly chose to be a criminal. He had many opportunities to turn his life around and chose to become a criminal.
@@samsabastian5560 He dictated the letters.
@@samsabastian5560 The letter was dictated to Joe Byrne and copies were made which still exist. Peter Carey the renown author said of the letter. "It is an extraordinary document, the passionate voice of a man who is writing to explain his life, save his life, his reputation … And all the time there is this original voice - uneducated but intelligent, funny and then angry, and with a line of Irish invective that would have made Paul Keating envious. His language came in a great, furious rush that could not but remind you of far more literary Irish writers."
For two years I was posted at Benalla, the town just 25 miles south west of Glenrowan the hamlet where Kelly lived and was the centre of most of the action. Locals advised me NEVER to criticise the Kelly's because even a hundred years later, the large Kelly clan and their offshoots and general popular feeling was largely on the Kelly side. [popular feeling from north of Melbourne to beyond Albury (& similar areas) on the New South Wales border.] Given that the slain corpse of Joe Bryne was tied to a chair and left in the Benalla main street {Bridge Street) abutting The Commercial Hotel for all to see, is evidence of the Police versus Kelly clan feeling. Needless to say, I took that advice VERY VERY SERIOUSLY!
letsseeif What a load of garbage. There are plenty of relatives of the police that Kelly murdered still in the area, and the vast majority of decent, intelligent people know that Ned Kelly was just a low life murdering criminal. I have been to Glenrowan numerous times, and your comment is a load of codswallop.
I think most people acknowledge Ned was not a saint. But primarily his actions highlighted the corruption of the police, and he stood up for the disenfranchised. Also, with the cards stacked against him, I doubt Ned (or his brothers) had any real chance of a "normal" life.
Loki Livewire The Royal Commission into Victoria police of 1881 found that the police were NOT corrupt. Where are you getting this garbage from?
Many people in the era in which Ned grew up experienced hard times. Colonial Australia was not a picnic for anyone. However, the majority of the population did not steal from their neighbours, murder people and terrorise the state.
@@robynmurray7421 That's true, Robyn. Most of the poor settlers took up the land and worked hard to make a living for themselves. In drought and bushfires the government authorities deferred rental payments until things improved. The government should be congratulated for their concern.
Loki Livewire You have claimed the police were corrupt, so let's see your evidence to support what you have said. You could not, as there is not a scrap of evidence anywhere that shows the police as being corrupt. Why do you make such fictitious statements?
Loki Livewire Still waiting to see your evidence that the police were corrupt. Why haven't you shown us all? I will tell you why, it's because the RC found that the police were NOT corrupt.
They didn't have dollars back then Australia used pounds up until 1966
My family and I travelled through Glenrowan just two weeks ago .
He's a hero in my eye's. Police here are still corrupt.
MrE Blade The Royal Commission into Victoria police of 1881 found that the police were NOT corrupt. Where are you getting this garbage from?
If you knew all the facts, no sane person would ever consider Ned Kelly a hero.
@@samsabastian5560 Who said I was of sound mind???
@@mreblade7859 You would have to be insane to ever think that Ned Kelly was some sort of hero. He robbed from the poor.
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Ned Kelly was the Robbin Hood version for Australia in a way. Oh also you can see Neds head from a cast in Old Melbourne Jail. I remember going there as a kid with my mum.
Robin Hood stole from the rich to give to the poor. Who did Ned Kelly give his money to?
Danger Mouse. Your comment is fictional. Ned Kelly never gave anything to the poor, and that included his mother and sisters. In fact, he stole from the poor and there is ample evidence to show he did just that.
You should go to Glenrowan when your here
He absolutely was a criminal, and a murderer. That said, I can completely understand how he ended up getting to that point. These days there may have been hope for him if someone intervened early enough and got him help. In those days he really only had one path to go down.
Yea exactly as I said. It wasn't the best start to life was it
@@RobReacts1 Ned Kelly was charged with Armed Robbery with Harry Power at Kyneton, as a youth. Sgt Babbington organised a job for him in NSW and gave him money to get home and to go to the job. Kelly promised to pay the money back. He rejected the job and turned to a life as a criminal. He never paid the money back. I should also mention that the charge of armed robbery was not proceeded with as Ned Kelly gave up Harry Power. Power himself confirmed that he believed it was Ned who gave him up.
I should have also mentioned that Ned Kelly's mother, Ellen, encouraged her son to go with Harry Power, an escaped convict that was staying at her home, to learn how to become an armed robber. Lovely mother was Ellen Kelly.
@@samsabastian5560 I read that as Harry Potter and was like ‘That’s a new bit’ 😂
@@JoelWende Actually, Power's real name was Henry Johnson.
Don’t know if you’ve seen the tv series called Wild Boys, it shows events that happened in the mid 1800s to 1890s, gives a very real recount of what life was like at the time in country Victoria. Though there are bits that are very fiction, but bits like other outlaws, for example Captain Moonshine who was real and roughly around at the time of Ned Kelly, there’s also others like Ben Hall, I think, yeah we have a very colourful past.
Have members of the hall family that live down the road, there pretty hard core.
victorian police have had a mixed past .they went on strike in the early 20th century and have a history
of shoot first and dont ask questions.still have a ?? mark.
11:30 Nothing's changed then.
Police accountability is the phrase you wanted.
Kelly was not supposed to go to Melbourne for his trial but rather Beechworth but due to the locals agreeing with his motives, he went to Melbourne as they didn’t agree there so he could get hanged
Vincent Weatherly WRONG. The trial was shifted because The Greta Mob would have interfered and threatened members of the jury.
Kelly had little support. Of 14,500 people who lived in NE Victoria, his supporters numbered about 250 at best, most being extended family or criminal associates.
@@samsabastian5560 tell that to the people at Beechworth prison who did a tour and explains Ned Kelly's life
@@vincentweatherly9991 Let me assure you that Kelly fans are in Beechworth, and at the Beechworth prison. They push fiction, myths and lies. HOWEVER, the 7 councils that control The Ned Kelly Touring Route have recently let a contract to a Sydney company to remove all the myths from their website and promotional material. That should be completed by June. It will be interesting to see what happens when all the myths and lies are gone that they promote now. They will be required to relate the truth and not the garbage they are presenting to the public right now. No need to tell you who made that happen is there?
@@vincentweatherly9991 Show this to the people of Beechworth. czcams.com/video/RXg551VQFbc/video.html
@@vincentweatherly9991 I will do that tour shortly and if they are telling lies, I will take that up with the CEO of the Council. As you know, I have already had all the councils organised to remove all the myths from their website and promotional material.
FYI - This video leaves out a lot of details of the story that are sympathetic to Ned Kelly.
sean lynch I think you mean it leaves out the myths, lies and fiction relating to Ned Kelly.
@@samsabastian5560 no, i meant the facts, truths and testaments.
@@seanlynch1185 Can you details some of them please?
@@samsabastian5560 off the top of my head, sexual assault on his sister by a police, the police locking up his mother for three years as bait for no crime, the draconian sentence intentionally given to him as a 14 year old, the anti-irish racism, the fact he was 6 foot 3 or 4 and strikingly handsome and considered a political threat because most Irish selectors were under-fed, beaten down, the fact his crimes often were motivated by social causes, such as burning all of the debtor notices in the banks etc etc etc
@@samsabastian5560 silence?
This has so many inaccuracies, honestly the movie does 100x better then this and that is pretty wrong too
You have to watch the actor Yahoo Serious version of Ned Kelly. Then again watch all his movies
Even today people get marked by the Police, even if you are just related to someone who committed a crime you can be harassed. It has happened to people I know and that has shaped their lives. My opinion is Ned Kelly was just unfortunate to be born into an Irish family. Not because there is anything wrong with being Irish but because how the British have treated them. I am descended from the brother of Father Mogue Kearns who was hung in Edenderry in 1798. I have heard his story all my life and how he fought the British to many he was a hero and to others a rebel. It depends on which side of the fence you are standing on as to what your opinion would be.The same with Ned Kelly.
Ian Kearns The situation in Victoria was vastly different to that in Ireland. The situation there was diabolical. I think you mean English, not British.
There were not that many Irish in Victoria, but those that came and took up land and worked hard mostly succeeded. They were honest, decent people who worked hard and were very much a part of the overall community. The Kelly's were criminals and that is what drew attention by the police. It was entirely reasonable for the police to pay attention to Ned Kelly, who boasted that he had stolen at least 280 horses. Had they been decent citizens, the police would have never gone near them.
@@samsabastian5560 You read a few books, Stfu you fucking nonce. You aren't an expert on this.
@@iankearns774 WRONG. I have done extensive research and I can produce compelling evidence for everything I have stated.
I do not claim to be an expert, but I am reasonably conversant with the truth and not the lies, myths and fiction on the Kelly outbreak. Far too many on this site have made fictitious comments that they have somehow dragged up from some spurious source that is complete fiction.
So sad to see so many people being deceived.
@@samsabastian5560 In 1798 the United Irishmen rebelled against Great Britain or the British. As I said I have heard the story all my life, its my family history. The Kellys were criminals because the Father was transported for stealing 2 pigs. No doubt so he could sell them and feed his family. I have also told you before about a book in my families possession about living in the Castlemaine area from the 1850's and how poorly the Irish were treated. You told me I was wrong, the book was written by hand. You have read academic books from the 20th century and think you know it all. You dont.I am not debating you as I know the facts as written by the people who lived that life.
@@iankearns774 82% of the police in Victoria were Irish. Ned Kelly always claimed he was Australian. He never mentioned he was Irish at all.
The police paid attention to him because of his criminal escapades, not because he was Irish. Your comment is made up fiction.
Red Kelly stole two pigs and took them straight back to another market in a nearby town and sold them for cash. Nothing to do with feeding his family.
The word you are looking for is "Accountability". Western democracies are on a 'knife-edge' of accountabilty. This is why parliamentary ministry have to resign when someone uses public money (taxes) incorrectly. Dictatorships have no accountability, only from inside there rhelm. Which system is better?
MY STEP-GRUMPY IS RELATED TO THE KELLY GANG
Someone said below that as a child Ned Kelly saved another child from drowning. He was awarded a belt for bravery. He was wearing it when he was shot and it's in a museum which I THINK is in Glen Rowan but this might not be correct.
@@samsabastian5560 Thanks. Wasn't sure where it was
@@elizabeth10392 Its actually a green sash. Many pics of it if you google.
@@samsabastian5560 Thanks. I have pictures of it. I have a really beautiful old hard cover book on Ned Kelly. It has a picture of the Jerilderee letter and early pictures of him. It probably says where that sash is but I forgot 😂
The Prod - Mick divide is unknown, now (my Irish descended son has married an English descended lass - expands the DNA pool, anyway but in Australia ? everyone's here now, the whole world's DNA was available but young McKenzie went across the Irish Sea ?) but so formative in the history of Australia. In the late 19th Century, it was the Troubles from day to day. Rob, you miss this because you comment on cartoons. Australian history deserves more serious attention. No worries, though. We are all Australians now, my son and daughter in law a better Australians than me. Ned was my father's idol, dad, an old bushie "game as Ned Kelly". Ned's immortalised in the Seeker's iconic 'I am Australian' verse 4 "...I'm Ned Kelly on the run" Good on you, Rob. Maybe you'll immigrate with your family.
The “man behind the mask”
Pretty much every man in the world for the last 2 years
Wiser now than back then.
So will you have time to visit Glenrowan??
erm...maybe or maybe not. I have no idea :D
@@RobReacts1 There is not much there to see.
Such is Life.
Tim Roberts. I take it you know that Ned Kelly never uttered those words on the gallows?
Oh, for heaven's sake. The story of Ned Kelly, the Australian myth, narrated by an AMERICAN?
Calm down 🤣
My great grandmothers dad was neds uncle or rather his mother's brother. My great grandmother and grandmother were Quinn's. My grandfather ironically hated Ned and saw him as a criminal not a hero.
Scott Martin Your grandfather obviously knew the facts. He was right. Sadly, Kelly fans have written a load of garbage that so many now believe is true. Kelly was a vicious criminal through and through.
There was an extreme lack of police accountability.
They couldn't have radicalised him more effectively, if they tried.
Frances Powell Your comment is not true. The police in NE Victoria were strongly supervised and many were disciplined.
@@samsabastian5560 I thought you said no disciplinary action was taken how can you expect people to trust what you say when just like a piggy you change your story squealer. I know you never expect anyone to read all your comments. But I am in iso nothing better to do than call out a squealer. Ever heard the saying snitches get stitches. Squealer
@@cattmcgregor5078 What I said was that the RC found no corruption. That is vastly different from a police officer being charged with a breach of regulations, as often happened.
Are you that thick, you don't know the difference?
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Such as life 😊👍
I might be wrong but wasn't it Kelly's brother that had his or similar armour on that was shot. Just what I've heard.
The cops said, yeah we got him to claim their bullshit bounty on him.
And he still roamed free. Maybe not but it's the version I've heard and want to believe.
Bit like Elvis, some heard he ate a peanut butter burger with too much grease and pickles and peanut butter topped with meat and peanut butter and some jelly and some peanut butter but he might be still, naaaah, he's gone.
Sigh. Always a hard one. Personally, he was wrong, but he wasn't alone. The whole British system that suppressed the Irish, the whole colonial corrupt government (look up Eureka Stockade or the Rum Rebellion for some examples). The whole duality that allowed some people to be considered "sub-human" (even after the colonial governments specifically outlawed the murder of Aborigines, all that happened was they made sure there were no survivors from that point on) created an environment where is was really difficult for anyone to win. There was widespread corruption, injustice, greed, the lot.
If he had won, would he now be a freedom fighter hero? Probably.
Brett Bridger You claim the British system suppressed the Irish. In Victoria two of the early premiers were Irish. 82% of the police were Irish.
The Royal Commission into Victoria police of 1881 found that the police were NOT corrupt. Where are you getting this garbage from? In the entire RC report, the word 'corrupt' is never mentioned, and that includes all the recommendations. So if you are claiming there was corruption, where was it?
@@samsabastian5560 Wow, where to start? Britain conquered Ireland in, what, late 1600's? Then proceeded to dismantle the Irish leadership and even banned office holding based on religion. Even though protestants made up 25% of the Irish population, virtually the whole of the Irish parliament was protestant. Some 600 Irish political prisoners were transported to Australia.
The discrimination against the Irish continued, with many a job advert stating "Irish need not apply". They were involved with all of the major rebellions that occurred. This is all covered in a number of scholarly works (see "The Irish in Australia" as an example).
As for corruption, here is a quote from Victoria's anti-corruption committee about the time of Ned Kelly:
"In 1878, three policemen were killed by Edward (‘Ned’) Kelly, and his associates.
The whole Kelly cause célèbre still arouses public debate, but there is consensus about the
shortcomings of the police and the methods used to capture the outlaws.
The Royal Commission into the pervasive mismanagement of the hunt (the Longmore
Commission)9 shattered a number of police careers in addition to that of Chief Commissioner
Standish. Widespread corruption was exposed. The activities of two members in particular,
Winch and Larner, included involvement in prostitution, gambling and borrowing from
hotelkeepers, whilst being protected by Standish. Winch escaped criminal charges and retired
on his pension. Special criticism was reserved for the Detective Branch, which was variously
described as ‘inimical to the public
interest’, a ‘nursery of crime’ and a
department whose ‘system of
working (was) so iniquitous that it
may be regarded as little less than
a standing menace to the community."
@@brettbridger362 I have read that comment before and it is a load of garbage. It was written without a shred of evidence to support it.
Let me address each issue.
"shattered a number of police careers in addition to that of Chief Commissioner Standish." NOT TRUE.
The police commissioner had resigned 6 months before the Longmore RC was started. So the suggestion that his career was shattered by the RC was not true.
"shattered a number of police careers." NOT TRUE. Both Supts; Hare & Nicolson who had been stood down on full pay, were reinstated by the government and a short time later promoted to be Police Magistrates. Supt Sadleir was recommended to be placed at the bottom of the superintendents list. The government rejected that recommendation, and his rank and position remained the same. Sgt Steele was recommended to be broken to the ranks. The government rejected that, and he remained at his rank and position as OC Wangaratta police. Det Ward was moved back one position behind the man behind him. The 3 police who were guarding Aaron Sherritt were dismissed.
That is the total of the so called garbage that 'a number of police careers were shattered'. It is NOT TRUE. No other police were demoted or dismissed. The comment is made up fiction.
The comment in that IBAC report written in 2007, claiming that "Widespread corruption was exposed" is a load of made up nonsense.
In the entire RC report the word 'corrupt' is not mentioned in any question, answer or recommendation. The comment is made up rubbish. nedkelly.info/Royal-Commission.pdf Read it yourself. Nothing in that report at all about corruption.
Note: I have complained to the Victorian Inspectorate regarding that fictitious nonsense presently on the IBAC report. As there is no evidence of corruption, you can expect that fiction to be removed.
It is acknowledged that some corruption was located in the detective branch in Melbourne, but there was no corruption at all in NE Victoria as the RC established.
I have discussed this with a professional historian who is expert on Kelly matters, and he confirmed to me that what is in that report is made up fiction.
When the matter is addressed and removed, I will let you know.
@@samsabastian5560 Thanks for the update
@@brettbridger362 Sadly there is so much fiction written regarding the Kelly's, and it needs to be corrected and promulgated properly, especially in government documentation
I also add that the 7 councils that control The Ned Kelly Touring Route have let a contract, to have the myths removed from their website and promotional material.
That work should be completed by June 2022. The State Library, Victoria, have also pulled down their Kelly myths and are having it rewritten by a professional historian.
Not too hard to work out who organised that to happen.
I don't think they know where his body is buried. Therefore there's no cemetary you can visit. I think maybe it was burried in the grounds of the prison.
Yvonne Johnson It is well known where he is buried. No grave stone though. I have been there.
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@@yvonnejohnson3232 I have been to the Greta Cemetery, and I have photographs of where he is buried.
@@samsabastian5560 Cool. That wasn't there when we did the Ned Kelly Tour.
Ned Kelly wasn't a Mandalorian... 🤦♂
I can't believe this is the best video of Ned Kelly/Kelly gang you could find. A cheap American cartoon...really!
Watch the movie Ned Kelly with Hearh Ledger for a better portrayal of events.
It's a really good movie.
To be fair this was recommended by an Aussie. On the grand scheme of things it got the basics to give me an idea of his life.
@@RobReacts1 There are no basic facts in this video at all, Rob. Total and complete fiction.
The video was a compressed synopsis, not a comprehensive rundown. It does need to be short enough so we don't fall asleep waiting for Rob to have all the facts in order to share his insights and opinions.
In 1971 or 1970 a Ned Kelly movie that Mick Jagger played Ned Kelly. What I think about Ned Kelly I don't know it's not black and white I have been to the block of land next to the train line the site of the shoot out lol it had cardboard cutouts of where the men and policemen were it was a bit tacky and in the video it's not dollars it's pounds dollars $ came in 1966
Several people have played him including a VFL/AFL tough man from Carlton Bob Chitty in the 1940's also Ned was played by Mick Jagger and of course Heath Ledger. Ned is more a hero than an outlaw and why we Aussies are larrikins and spirit of rebellion comes from. I would like though Ned Kelly to be credited for an invention that is still used today. The humble letterbox
By the way Rob there are better versions of his story than this and many great songs of his story and life
mrpuniverse Murderers, bank robbers, hostage takers, thieves and stand-over-thugs do not quality as heroes.
@@samsabastian5560 But they make great stories for movies books and tv series Al Capone Chopper Reid, Son of Sam the Kray Twins for some examples Ned was a rebel not doing the right thing to protest but with a country that had so many criminals it wasn't a surprise he would act that way. Waltzing Matilda, a national song i about a sheep thief. Our country is formed by such elements and celebrated for it. Not a hero in your eyes or mine but in the eyes of a nation he is and represents many
@@mrpuniverse2 People who downplay the gravity of livestock theft as a crime have probably never lived in rural areas. Stealing a person's cattle, sheep, horses or other livestock is not only stealing the money and time invested in buying or breeding and raising that stock, but also any future income from that stock and its offspring. It is especially cruel if a farmer has nurtured the stock through drought and low prices, only to have it stolen when times are better and prices rise, as often happens. Stock theft is a major problem in rural Australia I would never advocate Waltzing Matilda as a national song for this reason. People who defend the Kelly Family because they do not consider horse theft to be a serious crime do not understand that stealing a person's horse in those days was taking away their means of transport, and possibly their means of earning an income. A horse was often a family's major asset. I'm sure that you would not be so quick to dismiss the theft of your car as larrikinism. Horse stealing was the olden day equivalent of stealing a car.
@@mrpuniverse2 Only the ignorant see Ned Kelly as a hero. Give ALL the people ALL the facts and like the people did in 1880 they would be glad to see the end of him.
Far too much fiction lies and myths have been promoted in the last 40 years that is based on made up rubbish. Time for the truth to re-emerge and for Kelly to be put in a deep hole along with the likes of Ivan Milat, where he belongs.
@@robynmurray7421 That is exactly what Kelly did. He was an opportunist thief, and he would suss out horses he could steal overnight, and then in the dead of night take the animal or animals while his victims were sleeping. He would then move them to a criminal accomplice's property where they could be hidden until he had stolen up to 12 horses, then he would move them across the Murray into NSW. Abandon them near a pound and the pound keeper would take them in, and in time sell them at a low price, giving Ned Kelly a legal bill of sale. Some pound keepers were in on the deal and got a cut, as did the accomplices who hid the animals for Kelly.
If the victim complained too loudly, Kelly would then send his Greta Mob thugs to threaten the victims with more hurt. e.g. stealing more stock, burning haystacks, and even threatening to murder children. Kelly was a nasty piece of work, believe you me.
Just think Victorian police haven't changed since then.
Danger Mouse They were not corrupt as the Royal Commission found.
One of the reasons Police saw people like Ned Kelly as a threat they themselves were part of a large Horse Stealing Racket and didn't want Gangs cutting into their business model.
keith wilson Stupid statement. If you claim that was the position, then present your evidence. You are making up lies, and you should be ashamed of yourself for promoting such rubbish.
Come on keith, where is your evidence?
Making up stories to degrade the police. You should be ashamed of yourself.
@@samsabastian5560 My reply disappeared. Try reading the Jeriliderie Letter Pages 12 and 13 would interest you. It was well known around the area that is one of the reasons why the farmers helped hide the Kellys.
@@keithwilson1554 The Jerilderie letter is a load of lies throughout. No police were ever involved in stealing horses. That nonsense was made up by Ned Kelly to discredit the police.
Ned Kelly also claimed that his stepfather, George King, was heavily involved in horse stealing. There is not a mention anywhere in police records that King was suspected of being a horse thief. Almost certainly that fiction was made up by Ned Kelly to degrade King.
The sympathisers that held stock for Kelly were often extended family members or criminal associates. Greta was well known as a criminal enclave.
That is why criminal elements of the Kelly's Quinn's & Lloyd's and other criminals were denied land in the Greta area. They could claim land well away from Greta, but not Greta, as the government did not want the criminal enclave to grow larger than it already was.
The first Ironman.
I just asked Google. Apparently he is buried at Greta, near Wangaratta.
Yvonne Johnson That is where he is buried. All the locals will point out the place if you visit the cemetery.
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Do you know how corrupt you have to be, to be labelled corrupt in 1880
Joshua Heaysman I suggest you read the Royal Commission itself. Then you might realise just how far off reality your comment is.
all those bounties are meant to be in pounds we didnt use dollars until the 1960,s
Factually, Australia was far more wild and lawless than the American 'wild west'. We are a nation who grew out of of crime, drunks and bums! We just never capitalised on it in movies and tv series because of the great cultural cringe.
Hell yeah I'm hearing ya & agree totally. I live in Central Qld & in this small area alone there are true stories that would make the Hollywood bullshit pale into the insignificance that it was/is
Tri Arb Stupid comment. Victoria never accepted criminals from the UK and neither did SA. There were far more free settlers than there were released criminals in Australia. You are talking garbage.
@@samsabastian5560 I'd agree if you didn't start your comment with "Stupid comment." There's no need to be a rude troll.
@@mrgoono9264 you got that right mate. He has automatically trolled through the comments & derided any pro Kelly comments with his stock standard rubbish! or garbage! What an absolute tosser
@@robertclothier3597 I appreciate I am being somewhat uncouth, but when one reads the rubbish some people write, it is disturbing.
I agree Australia is paradise but to be ripped away from your ancestral home and shipped to the other side of the world was wickedly cruel. They,(most of them) never got to see their families or home ever again. I think the Kelly's were harassed to the point of desperation. My first ancestor to Australia arrived on a stinking convict ship in 1814, he was gaoled for 38 years. He met his wife in prison. She had been sent here for 7years for stealing an apron and some cheese! They never saw their families or ancestral home ever again. They had 16 children though! The surname got changed throughout the years. I would never want to live anywhere else but would love to know the ancestral stories beyond their transportation🇦🇺🌏🪐🍀🌕🙏👣🦘🦋🏡🌴❤️
Sue Addison The Royal Commission found that the police did not harass the Kelly's. Your comment is not true.
Sam Sebastian- of course the 'Royal Commission's would find in favour of police! None of us will ever really know. I'm not one who sees Ned Kelly as a hero but it's well documented by people of the time, that the poor settlers and ex convicts were harshly treated by authorities. Thank you for your input though. I guess we all have different opinions on the matter.🤔🙄😶🌏🪐🍀🌕🙏👣🦘🦋🇦🇺🏡🌴🌺
@@sueaddison9958 Almost ALL the commissioners appointed to the RC were anti-police, and they went after the police. However, they found no corruption and no harassment.
Here is what they said. Taken directly from the RC.
“ It may also be mentioned that the charge of persecution of the family by the members of the police force has been frequently urged in extenuation of the crimes of the outlaws; but, after careful examination, your Commissioners have arrived at the conclusion that the police, in their dealings with the Kelly’s and their relations, were simply desirous of discharging their duty conscientiously; and that no evidence has been adduced to support the allegation that either the outlaws or their friends were subjected to persecution or unnecessary annoyance at the hands of the police.”
The Victoria government looked after poor settlers very well. They took back much of the land the squatters had illegally taken and granted land on excellent terms to poor settlers. At least 80% of those settlers made a go of it on their land. Many did very well and became quite wealthy. When there were fires or droughts, rents were deferred and foreclosures were rare. If you claim the settlers were harshly treated, can you show us some examples thanks?