CZ Shadow 2 - Complete Review - The most popular Production handgun at USPSA production nationals
Vložit
- čas přidán 17. 11. 2017
- The CZ Shadow 2 has a very specific purpose to which it is very well suited - seeking alphas in IPSC and USPSA competition. Plenty of shooting footage of the Shadow 2 in it's natural environment - shredding alphas.
The design of the gun makes shooting 9mm an absolute pleasure - those seeking a soft shooting range gun will not be dsiappointed. Pride in ownership will certainly be high - but I would encourage those looking for a high end range toy with an amazing single action trigger to consider a Tactical Sports - it has a better trigger out of the box, and a longer sight radius, and is approximately the same weight - and it's higher capacity. The Shadow 2 is really made for production division.
Affiliate Links Here:
My favorite red dots (optics planet):
Holosun 507k shrsl.com/2bgws
Holosun 507C shrsl.com/2bgx2
Holosun 407CO shrsl.com/2bgyy
Holosun 407C shrsl.com/2bh19
Trijicon SRO shrsl.com/2bgxd
Romeo 3 Max shrsl.com/2bh1k
Romeo 3 XL shrsl.com/2bh1n
My favorite weapon mounted lights:
TLR1HL - shrsl.com/2bgz4
TLR7A - shrsl.com/2bgzb
You can buy your own LOK Bogies grips for the Shadow 2 here:
amzn.to/2GR5sQz
Get a 10% Discount on Harry's Holsters using discount code: TheHumbleMarksman
bit.ly/2Mvjw7X
Buy Logo Gear Here!
bit.ly/2MhVw8W - Zábava
That is definitely the best review of the Shadow 2. Being Aussie I was stoked that you mentioned Australia .
Cheers man! Thanks for watching. There were guys here who bought Aussie Shadows for a while for the extra barrel. Then I heard that Stock 2's weren't legal for down under but Stock 3's were and someone told me why.
Just bought my first deuce in urban grey. I have been wanting this gun for a while now. I'm absolutely in love with it. Thank you for all of the great info. Subscribed!!!
I've always said 'it's the shooter not the pistol'.. but when my son and his Shadow 2 beat me and my G19 at the club shoot I had to reconsider. Thank you CZ for the retired military discount for the 'level up' and son #1 was two places behind at the last shoot .. Lovin this S2.
They are amazing pistols - glad you enjoy yours!
Very informative! Definitely one of the best reviews on the Shadow 2 and some humorous comments as a bonus. Your comment, "the Shadow 2 delivers more than the price tag would indicate..." is very well said/received. I own both a Black/Blue and just recently added an Urban Gray to my CZ collection. I'm not much more than a casual weekend competitor these days but, I've owned 1911's that cost 2-3x the Shadow 2's price that only shot half as good and half as reliable until I performed the usual adjustments and fixes. By comparison, the Shadow 2 has been flawless: dead nuts on it straight out of the box and 100% reliable with every factory load I've fed it.
it really is a top shelf value offering. A ton of features that in the 1911 world are costly upgrades included with the relatively low asking price. I am not competing in production at present but each time i go to the safe i handle them and am reminded how great they are
I've tried just about every polymer pistol out there (especially for carry), and I've gone back to all metal guns now. the Shadow 2 is a perfect example of why.
The CZ P10 series is excellent... So are the CZ P07 and P09. All of their polymer frame guns are phenomenal
Excellent review since I am purchasing one for USPSA at my local club. Again, thank you so much for this no BS factual review
Greg Olson, Bloomington Minnesota
May it serve you well - they're great guns.
I have owned my Shadow 2 for over a year now. With a chronograph and experimentation I have found the 124grn. Projectile my weapon loves and with over 1000 rounds thru the pipe it is breaking in nicely and all holes on the target are touching unless I fail And pull a shot. At first I wasn’t to impressed but as it wears in, I get more adjusted to it and Learn my tiring eyes to the optic sights I find myself picking this gun over my 20+ year old high end 1911 that all my buddies envied for years.
Excellent review, thanks for taking the time to make this
Nice video sir. For any watching and think this guns not for you because you’re not a competitive shooter don’t let that stop you from a purchase. I don’t shoot comp either but this is the most pleasant, accurate gun I’ve ever shot or owned. I usually rotate shooting different guns every week but since this purchase I can’t get enough of it. Of 20 some hand guns this is the best shooting pistol I own. Period ! Mikey
Awesome video. You have dialed it in. I was thinking about the Witness, but now I will buy the Deuce. Thanks for all the input. It is appreciated.
they are awesome pistols - you won't be disappointed.
Awesome video, thx for input and sharing. Next I would be very happy to see that you bring in your friend who has fired his Shadow 2 over 20.000 rounds and strip it down to check for wear and tear, talk about how it held up against various kind of ammo, heat, speed and what kind of maintenance tips can he share with us CZ fans. Liked and subscribed.
Per my buddy:
czcams.com/channels/dQE_tyzBSZSk5wkWjSkZJg.html
Slide to frame fit loosened up some over his match gun but accuracy is still strong. Slide stop broke, TRS broke, recommends a 10k interval of changing - same as the regular shadows. Basically a slide stop and springs every 10k and it should be good to go for a while.
Great review. Cleared up many thoughts I had of the ''Deuce'', thanks!
They are great guns to be certain. Only thing I'm not in love with is the weight - a bit heavy. not enough to make a change.
Great review!
Very nice review! I really like the explanation, presentation, and the shooting video!
Thanks Hwansik. I appreciate the kind words and look forward to your '18 season. Merry Christmas.
Thanks! Merry Christmas!!
Great video. I shot an SP01 Accu for a couple of years then bought an Accu 2. The SP01 is a great gun, but the two is an improvement. Also, I had several minor issues with my SP01, but the Accu 2 has been perfect. It also doesn’t seem to require as much preventative maintenance. I shoot about 500 RDS a week and seemed to go through extractors and slide stops on the SP01. I finally started using a new extractor and slide stop for matches and ran my older ones to failure in practice. I’ve never had either part fail on my Accu 2. In fact I’m between jobs right now and money’s tight and I haven’t been doing any PMs on the gun, and it’s running great. I’m very surprised.
BTW, I also shot GA State and it was really cool to see your head cam footage. It’s like going back in time.
awesome man. I'm a big fan of the shadow 2 - I think they did near everything right with it. I think they could have done the extended pin and lightened spring from the factory - but other than that it's pretty squared away.
Great review! It's a beautiful pistol 😎👍
thanks! They've been great so far.
@thehumblemarksman This is the first of your videos I've watched and I loved it! I bought my son a Shadow 2 to shoot USPSA, he is 16. After shooting his I ordered my own!
They are awesome guns to be sure. The rest of the manufacturers had to respond since dropping it
Holy shit. What a lucky kid. Remind him of his nice privileges from time to time or he will take it all for granted .
Very good review. This gun is a perfect example of form + function = sexiness.
It’s an awesome shooter
Some fantastic shooting, and speedy leg work. I think you're ready to take on the big guys. Get your Passport ready.
you're too kind - I'm probably a few years off being able to hang with the big boys - but that's the goal anyway!
Hey man - Per our last conversation, I decided to get this gun lol it feels amazing in my hand and i cant wait to use it in competition.
the SHadow 2 is an amazing pistol. Practice with it some - you can probably run it faster than you're used to.
I am as far from a Comp. Shooter as you can be......I shoot a lot at my club but strictly for fun.....but I must admit you amaze me.......you do some brilliant videos and I enjoy your easy style......as new to CZ I like to see how they can be run by a man that knows how
+russ elder you are kind for saying so. Don’t write off competition entirely - try steel challenge, its drag racing with pistols!
my club is actually setting up a new pistol range for steel......maybe me and my buddies can give it a try
you'll love it. The friendships take on a wonderful weird dynamic. you want your buddies to do well - and then you want to devastate them. So everyone becomes a better shooter and lots of fun is had.
it does sound like fun
I saw an accu shadow 2 on CZ custom shop that I would love to own . Great review , just subscribed also watched video on bull shadow , wow
I need to watch the bull shadow video. My old AccuShadow was really accurate. My Shadow 2 seems to be keeping up with it so far - but whatever is left I'm sure that the CZC guys will get out of it.
Great reviews keep em coming
Thanks! I hope this summer to get back into some reviews. Sun rising at 7:30 and setting at 6PM aren't doing me any favors.
Great video, very honest assessment. I just picked up the OR Shadow 2 to keep my non-OR S2 company :)
Those are interesting - did they shave enough weight to make them legal for USPSA Carry Optics? (sub 45 oz with 140mm magazine)
@TheHumbleMarksman; No, it still running almost 2.8 oz too high. I took off the rear sight plate and that dropped it to 44.6 oz. That’s with a pinned 10 round mag (I’m in Canada).
Damn it marksmen guy....I thought I was done with my CZ shadow tac 2 from CZ customs. Than you put this up and it has me shopping to a deuce.... I’m all in !!!!
They're really great guns - the Tac 2 is a great gun. I wouldn't be in a big rush but I think you'll like it.
Nice review!
Thanks! Hope it was helpful.
This is still the best video on the shadow 2
Awesome review .. I shoot IPSC production here in Australia with my black cz shadow 2 I love the pistol so much I ordered a backup one ..
looks like cz is one up on tanfoglio now ..
I totally agree. All Tanfo had on CZ was frames and finish. Now they still get the finish but CZ took frames away from them in my opinion.
Nice review and info as EAA has some good stuff too for knock offs....Good stuff...
I've got a buddy loaning me a Stock 2 to play with during the off season.
NEW SUBSCRIBER
GREAT REVIEW
very thorough
Tons of knowledge
Just ordered the urban grey for 950$
Great overview!
Thanks! I hope going prone saturday didn't crush your pride.
TheHumbleMarksman - oh, there was plenty to crush my pride. Going prone was not bad. FTE was. Uggghhhh.
Nice vid and great info
+1776 or Bust cheers ‘76. Thanks for watching!
Excellent!!
thanks!
Excellent review and very informative. Thank you for taking the time to do prepare this. Let me suggest that you review the area of classical physics that deals with momentum exchange, specifically the role that mass plays and then rethink your narrative on recoil and why the heavier mass helps getting back on target.
There's a lot going into what the sensation of recoil is and ammo is no small factor in that. The muzzle climb is mostly correlated to bore axis and less the weight of the frame - but sight recovery - getting the gun to settle down form recoil - is absolutely affected by the huge dust cover. Sights recovering to the same point is more a factor of ergos and technique than it is the mass of the gun - a lopsided grip will make the gun recover off center the point of aim. As far as energy going into your body in the form of recoil? seems like a rigid steel frame would impart more energy into your arms than something like polymer that would lose some of the energy due to the frame flexing and rebounding. I didn't notice a tremendous difference between training for 300-500 rounds with a plastic gun vs. a steel gun. One thing the heavy gun absolutely does is work as a crutch for guys who cannot drive the gun out of recoil with a squared away grip/stance - the dust cover makes it flop out of recoil - and more often than not that's what people are talking about.
Cool to see the old Cherokee bays
I love cz’s because of how small the slides are
Excellent review. I actually learned a lot about the 2 as a performer. Thanks!
glad to help!
That range looks just like Ga. Firing Line where I go...great people there
It is GA Firingline
32 Round Promag Canik TP9SF mags fit my CZ Shadow 2, and actually feed well. They are only about $20
Cool! I bet that would make this gun feel very heavy though... 19 round mags are my favorites for my Shadow 2!
Sweet!
+Dirt Road Gun Show 👍 thanks for watching!
I think Ill stick with my accu shadow, maybe when I get into Carry optics model!!
Great Video.
The only thing better than Shadow 2 is 2 Shadow 2"s 😎😎😎
Thank you for this. I am a complete beginner (started a month ago). Up next is a couple of tests and then the final IPSC test. Until the completion of the IPSC test I am not allowed to buy a handgun as I need this document in the application process to the police, but I have been looking at the CZ Shadow 2 for some time now.
How long have you been doing sportshooting? Great range videos, and it kept me entertained as I was listening to your review.
At the time I recorded this about 4 years- though I didn’t jump in with both feet quite
The second 25 yard group with my new Shadow 2 was One Inch from the bench. Not bad.
They are awesome
I just recently finally got the SP-01 Shadow and I love it. I don't shoot a lot of competition mostly defensive work or training. So to think I need to run out right away and upgrade to the Shadow 2 is kind of depressing lol. I think I'll just stick to the original Shadow for now and if I really jump into the competition scene I'll get the deuce. The deuce is very noticeably heavier
+Elliott Butts the SP01 platform is brilliant, if it fits your hand its better for what you are doing. For pinning your ears back and racing I definitely favor the 2 but the difference is t huge. A lot of guys I shoot with didn’t think the difference was severe enough to switch . Obviously I didn’t fall in that camp
How does the trigger compare to the Shadow 1?
I've recently had the chance to shoot a Shadow 2 and I fell in love, but that price tag is like 400 bucks more than a Shadow 1.
Sadly I don't know anyone who owns a Shadow 1 to try and compare for myself, so I'm afraid if I just buy a Shadow 1 that I might feel disappointed with it after shooting the 2.
Also as a fairly new sports-shooter and generally still being a bad shot I'm somewhat worried that If I get myself a race-gun for my first pistol instead of some kind of work-horse like a glock or cz 75b, that I might never properly learn to shoot a normal gun, with a mushier, heavier trigger pull and more felt recoil etc.
Right now I have problems with shot anticipation with 9 mm pistols - those issues weren't there with the Shadow 2 (similar to shooting 38 special out of a heavy, long barrel revolver in single action). Any opinions on that? Better to start out with a cheaper service pistol and work my way up to a sports pistol?
I see you shot the GA State Championships with me this past November... those stages were brutal
I had a decent match - I tanked the standards stage with 2 mikes and that cost me dearly in my placement in A class. I finished like 6th A and would have finished something like 2nd or 3rd if those had gone better. The stages were great but I ended up shooting my last stage literally in the dark on saturday by the flood light of the shed. The "half day format" wasn't staffed appropriately to hit it. You an ATL native?
TheHumbleMarksman nope, Texan, but mu oldest is from Atlanta... The match was not staffed correctly at all. My Tanfoglio Limited Custom Pro from Henning went down and started to pick up bad. The trigger, for some reason started to mess up and made me shoot cautiously. Sending it back to Henning...
Great review! Have you changed out any of the internal springs to improve trigger pull yet? Sorry if you’ve already covered this.
Yes - I dropped in an extended firing pin from CZC with a reduced power FP spring and a reduced mainspring with 11# Recoil springs. The gun does shoot flatter with the lighter recoil spring. It dropped pull weight from 9/3.25 to 7.25/3. I'm actually going to do competition hammers on them as well. It's not because I think it's going to be a demonstrable improvement - just a level of confidence in my gear. At that point I'll be about as built up as the gun can relatively inexpensively be. The springs and pin - yes absolutely not a compelling reason not to. The comp hammer - it's an individual value call - I ultimately did to have complete confidence in my guns and no "shoulda woulda coulda" gear related stuff.
TheHumbleMarksman sounds like good improvements. Who did you get the springs from? Thanks. (I subbed.)
OMG, great review! We love our Shadow 2. Question, can you start in USPSA in SA mode in limited div? It's hard for us to pull the DA plus without a decocker, could be a little nerve racking to drop the hammer.
+CollierGunGirls in limited - yes you can start in SA. While the S2 is probably one of if not the best production guns, in limited it is outclassed by the tac sport for SA starts - as the safeties with the S2 aren’t really appropriate for SA - I would want a bigger ambi safety to guard against weak hand transitions and accidentally activating the safety. If you’ve got one and want to run limited you are on the hook for a magwell and potentially some safeties. As far as manually decocking - it is intimidating at first but it really isn’t hard to do. Maybe pull a projectile and dump the powder but leave the primer in and practice it with a primed case. If the primer pops it will make a loud noise but will not move the slide. Shooting 9MM is great but it’s tough to crack into the top in of limited doing it. If the goal is to have fun then I have no doubt you will succeed but limited is a playground for 40 S&W
Thank you sir. That is a lot to take in. We're not worried about what class or how we place just yet. Need to get used to shooting 9mm in matches first. Finding the right gun is a big part of that. Thanks for getting back to us! We hope to start shooting big bore in matches next year.
+CollierGunGirls bring whatever you have and shoot limited until you figure it out. Just grab an extended base pad/follower kit so you have the max rounds you can have - 140mm base plates. I would suspect that a lighter pistol would be welcome initially- many women prefer lighter guns (lighter meaning 30-36 oz) though Maria Guschina rocks a shadow 2 in production division and she was about 98.5% at world shoot 2017
CollierGunGirls I agree with the OP, bring what you have and shoot what you got... I started with production is USPSA and SSP in IDPA, those divisions will help you get through the reloading basics real quick, and also stage planning and mindset of having limited rounds (10).
Thank you!
Happy Thanksgiving friend.
+Glocked 17 happy thanksgiving! Hope it was a relaxing one
TheHumbleMarksman Thank you.
need a shadow 2
They're really nice guns.
Thank's for this excellent and very complete review. I tried the deuce only once a few months ago, but was immediately hooked. This pistol is in a class of it's own in my opinion. I'm going to order mine probably next week or so to get back into IPSC. On that matter what holster are you using ? I have to commend your draw and re holstering technique from what i've seen at the indoor range in your footage. It shows not only a good holster choice but a lot of serious practice as well. I've been a pistol instructor for ten years out of a thirty year career in law enforcement and i must say drawing and re holstering was often a problem with many of the officers i trained over the years. Not enough practice obviously, but in their defense here in my province officers only get to shoot once a year for their annual qualification very few are lucky enough to have one or two practices a year. Our government does not take police officer's firearms training nearly seriously enough. But that's another story for another day. Be well and god bless.
Thanks for watching! The holsters I have used have been a couple - I used the Ghost Thunder holster - which I don't recommend - and I used the Red Hill Tactical dual layer - which is pretty good. I'd probably recommend getting a BladeTech OWB then heading over to Henry Holsters and buying a Turbo Drop and Turbo Prop. If you're lazy you can get a similar setup from the Ben Stoeger Pro Shop ready to go on his "Boss" hanger.
Wow! Thank's for the speedy reply, i just browsed both web sites, man things have evolved since i competed in the 90s. I'll have to check if they ship here in Canada though. Have a great date man.
Mi favorita asta hoy
My first pistol
heck of a first pistol.
Hey what holster rig are you using with the shadow 2 now? I just ordered one. Thanks!
My Shadow 2 holster is a red hill tactical dual layer custom one - I would honestly suggest maybe just using a CompTac. They're a little cheaper and you don't have to wait as long. amzn.to/2pGzEGI The red hill's sight channel isn't great and I keep shearing my front fiber on it so I end up replacing my fiber pipe about once every 3 weeks or so.
I just took a Deuce at my local gun shop! Traded in my Q5 match
LOL. Interesting - not going after that Win with Walther money?
Q5 has a ton of muzzle flip, they should drop the match at the end - Shadow 2 definitely more suitable for competition.
great review.. i got my black s2 around march and mine came with the torx for the mag release. I'm hearing from some that the newest batch of s2's are hit and miss on getting the extended safety which for the guns intended purpose i don't really know why you would want it anyway. i did put a cgw spring kit and extended firing pin in mine i was thinking of adding the full kit, hammer etc but as you stated once you start shooting it at speed I'm not sure the trigger upgrades will be noticed. that cost could be applied to projectiles, powder and primers.
Yeah that's where I'm at with it. I practiced enough to hit with DA pretty rapidly - I haven't found anything the trigger is holding me back from hitting. I may expiriment with one gun with light springs and the other stock and see if my drills notice any appreciable time - fast hoser stuff. I'm sure there's an added mental benefit to having it and maybe that's the entire reason of having it. Well I'm jealous of your fancy test target and proper torx wrench.
i wasn't special enough to get a test target. i wouldn't mine a little shorter reset in sa if i was being really picky. if i leave it the way it is i can use it as an excuse to poor performance :)
What grips you using on yours and where can you get them from
LOK Palmswell Bogies
@@TheHumbleMarksman Thanks I just ordered a pair for my shadow 2 accu
Very Nice Review, I Agree #CZLIFE Indeed! Carry On
+Big Johnson Guns and Gear cheers BJGG! What happened to the Texas logo?
TheHumbleMarksman what do you mean, it’s showing on my end? Carry On
Just picked this up from Kentucky Gun Co last night for $976 shipped!
And in black too... jealous, saving money with the better finish gun!
TheHumbleMarksman Yep, woohoo!!
Ambidextrious
Only thing they missed were the grips... Luckily LOK has them in ample supply!
yeah there are tons of good options floating around. LOK are excellent.
Put the extended safety on and use it as a thumb rest.......
I had both the Shadow II and Stock II. I went from the SP-01 to the Tanfo, then tried to the Shadow II. Went back to the Tanfo. The ergonomics on the Tanfo worked better for me. Once you spend $250 ish on the Tanfo the triggers are a push.....
The tanfo backstrap is better sculpted in my opinoin. The shadow frontstrat is better sculpted. They're not wildly different guns but the Shadow 2 is easier to get up and running - unless tanfo initial build quality / QC has markedly improved in the past couple years
Did you drop the gun or is the rubbed off paint at the front just from holstering it? And do you have any experience shooting cast lead bullets in the gun?
Great review, by far the best pistol review I have seen on youtube so far. Impressive shooting also!
I dropped it several times - but the paint is rubbing off from the holster- not from being dropped.
Hm.. I dont like that at all. Im thinking about getting one, but im not sure what to think of that polymere coat.
I think the black one uses the same coat though, just in black, right?
Peter August I have never seen a black one fail like the grays. I have seen this on other urban gray guns as well
damned... the urban grey looks so good though :(
Do try a Tactical Sport, I have one in 40 it’s excellent!
Check out my recent review of the Tactical Sport Orange
As a lefty shooting 1911s for years I find that using my trigger finger is the best way to drop a mag. I think most rightys need to try an ambi mag release and use their trigger fingers to drop the mag. No shifting the grip and super fast.
yeah I think lefties raised on 1911s have it about right.
Looking at these guns (CZ 75 tactical) for comps. Is one required to start from DA or is engaging the safety considered adequate?
In production division in USPSA you start hammer down. In limited division you may be single action- do not buy a new 9mm for limited - just use what you have. In IDPA you can start cocked and locked in ESP- hammer down in SSP
@@TheHumbleMarksman why do you say do not buy a new 9mm for limited? if the shadow is a better gun? do you mean buy a higher caliber for more points?
R bere I mean if you think the Shadow 2 shoots nice the TSO or TS is even easier to shoot. But yeah - 40 out of a tac sport isn’t wildly different than 9 in a shadow 2 and you get a lot more points
So, shadow 2 or cz 75 ts orange?
Great video I'm a new shooter can't decide on witch gun I should get first shadow 2 or a p07 for my first gun?
Shadow 2 for home defense/competition/plinking - P07 is a better "do all" gun if you're potentially going to carry it.
It’s almost not fair it’s so nice.
they are great guns
TheHumbleMarksman Amazing someone that actually replies PS yes sir they are
would u get the grey version again? have u shot the TSO?
i dont shoot matches, but i have a accushadow as my EDC. i dont care about overkill.
i want the best most accuarate gun possible. i alreayd listed it on armslsit and texasguntrader. hopefully itll sale soon so i can go buy a S2 soon.
have you ever seen a S2 below 1060 shipped? kygunco had the 91254 for 976, but i missed it in jan.
For carry I think I would keep the Accu. The S2 is a better shooting gun- but it’s not night and day. It’s fatter and heavier and longer. I would give the nod to the Accu for Carry, but S2 for USPSA. I personally would compromise on that little bit of performance for a gun that’s easier to live with.
I would buy a black one if I could find a good deal on one. That KYGUNCO deal for less than 1K was the best deal I have heard of.
I just aquired my Shadow 2 (all black, black aluminum grips) on Gun Broker for $1069.99. Not being a competiton shooter, I wanted to dress up my "Duce" with the beautiful blue S2 grip panels. Impossible to find. Every site I searched on was out of stock! Until I came across a set on eBay. $136 shipped from the Czech Republic. A steep price to pay for CZ Perfection. In for a dime, in for a dollar.
yeah... it happens. I think I've got probably $200 into each of mine in performance parts and grips.
You do know that Duece wants to race, right...😎
Do you know the stock recoil spring weight on the S2? And Main Spring?
This is speculation. I have a DA trigger pull weight of 7.5# with a 13# spring and that's down from 9# so I would assume the hammer spring is probably 15# or 16# from the factory. With respect to the OEM recoil spring weight - I honestly don't know I would guess 13# or 14# from the factory - the slide isn't super difficult to rack.
Your video is helping me a lot... by the way what kind of cleats do u wear? lol
Nike Sharks, or Alpha Sharks I think? They're football cleats that aren't molded plastic but rubber. Whatever kind of cleats are fine - just be sure they're rubber so you can walk on wood / concrete surfaces if you have to. They were $40 from Dicks about a year ago - so whatever kind that is.
if you want fresh tearing aggressive, try a Limcat :-)
Limited division beckons!
Greatings from Croatia, would you be so kind to give me your opinion. Which of the folowing Guns would you buy: cz75b, cz75bd or cz75b convertible. I don't understand the concept of a different trigger in the omega one, is it better or worse than the ones in the cz75b and cz75bd, and why is the convertible cheaper than the other two.
Thanks!
I like the frames better on the Omega pistols unless you have a line on a 75B New. The grip tang and trigger guard relief are better. The trigger in the omega - in it's basic form - is a bit better than the typical 75Bs. If you use an aftermarket hammer and dress up the trigger on a 75B - it'll be a little nicer than a dressed up Omega - but not a ton. I wouldn't get the BD because I hate the shape of the BD style decockers.
Thanks for your answer, so if I understod you well the cz75b frame if new is comperable with the 75b omega convertible frame, and a tuned cz75b triger will be better than a tuned omega convertible triger. And one last question, because of our gun market in Croatia and the poor choice in our gun stores we can mostly not hold a gun before buying it (most Guns have to be ordered first) the two models that i liked here is a cz75b, bd or omega convertible and the Springfield Armory XDM 4.5 9 mm, the only difference here is there is no Springfield Armory logo on it, because its derectly sold here and not over Springfield Armory, If you could have only one which would you buy. I know these are two totaly different gun types but I would be thankfull for any advice. I had a cz75b shadow, great gun but the design was not so great for me, the thick front part od the gun doesen't look to me as good as the thinner shape od the standard cz75b. And if I would have a shadow again it would be probebly the shadow 2 but the weight difference between a cz75b and shadow 2 is to me a lot.
Greatings from Split, Croatia.
@@materccano1445 I shot CZ's for a long time - after I learned how to shoot double action and hold a gun still while pulling the trigger - it doesn't matter what platform I use. Initially the light SA and good ergos helped me with the accuracy stuff. Now, I'm shooting a glock 34 and I can do all the same things I could do with my shadow 2 after the initial adoption. That said - whichever one you like better is the answer. It's something you got to want to pick up and practice with - you have to like the idea of it or you'll eventually end up with both. With practice the advantages of one will evaporate and they're roughly the same. Me personally - I'd save the money (assuming the XD is cheaper) and go that route. Another one worth considering - I don't know availability in Croatia but the Grand Power X Calibur is a great one.
I received my Shadow 2 (black/blue) about 2.5 weeks ago and I absolutely love it. Although within the first 500 rounds I have had 2 FTE's where it fires a round, partially extracts the empty and the next round in the mag jams underneath the empty causing the slide to be out of battery. Removing the mag will either 1.) cause the empty to freely fall through the mag well or 2.) the slide will close chambering the empty case. I was heartbroken however this happened exclusively with Winchester white box 115gr. I recently changed the ammo to 147gr freedom rn and after about 400 rounds there have been no hang ups.
Try a reduced power recoil spring or take the recoil buffer off and then try. That might fix it for you.
@@TheHumbleMarksman I knew you would be the one to ask! I have been asking more experienced CZ/S2 owners as this is my first one. I will give that a try, Thank you! 🙏
Thinking on this - I'd start with losing the recoil buffer - it's compressing the spring a bit by being there making it try to close the slide harder when it's fully open - but you could get away with a 11# recoil spring just as well if you're not shooting self defense ammo - no problem.
@@TheHumbleMarksman I really appreciate the advice man! At first I thought it was the extractor spring being weak that caused the extractor claw to slip over the round when the empty case was pulled 3/4 out. I broke down the gun and everything looks ok there. Tested the tension by pulling the barrel and putting a round up against the breech face and under the claw. Even while shaking the round was held tightly in place. I will be primarily running the 147gr rn from now on so hopefully the #11 will work. I do notice that racking the slide especially when the hammer is down gets really tough around the point where the empty gets stuck so removing that buffer seems logical.
@@TheHumbleMarksman Just thought I would update this post, I took your advice and swapped in an 11.5lb recoil spring by czc. Also I went with an extended firing pin, rami reduced fp spring and 13# main. These changes made a huge difference in the DA and also improved the SA while allowing faster follow up shots thanks to the recoil spring. I haven't had a single issue in 1,500 rounds since upgrading springs ect. and switching to 147gr. freedom. Shot my first 2 matches and believe I have made B class. Totally addicted now and looking forward to more shadow 2 production vids when you snap out of that carry optics phase lol jk. But please do more S2 production!
Which came first shadow or the stock? Because they look pretty similar
Honestly not sure - the tanfo is a clone of the 75 that they refined - the stock 2 certainly predates the Shadow 2
Great review, other toob
reviewers please take note...
What holster are you running? Is it BOSS hanger compatible?
+echang86 the gray one is a Red Hill tactical on a boss hanger, the black on is a Ghost The Thunder holster and is straight garbage
What basepads are on your old mags? I’m 95% sure the mec-gar 19rd mags won’t fit the box. Have you ran into this issue? I know it’s not entirely critical for local matches though.
Springer precision base pads. They will fit in the box to it’s +1/16 tolerance but not the nominal dimensions of the box. I would look at Henning or CZC pads
What grips do you switch too?
LOK palmswell bogies. You can see my CZ trigger reach video for a better look
Best fucking "Deuce" review on the tube!!
+Pops Quest you’re too kind. @bald&curious was talking smack about the farmageddon pistol course! Did you guys really let his Slovenian plastic hang with your Czech steel?
He had some good runs for sure! I have run the pistol part is 15 flat, not sure he could do that or not, Think I ran the 4 gun the fastest, lots of CZ representing on the farm! It was all about fun though, lots of new guys running there and being supportive was the focus, BC had fun running the timer!
+Pops Quest 10-4. 15 flat sounds pretty spicy based on the 30 second runs I saw. Sounds like the stoeger class is paying off!
@@TheHumbleMarksman do you mean Rex pistol by slovenian plastic? Im from slovenia, just asking?
Jan Golub grand power X-calibur
I don't even like guns, I'm just here for the chops.
What is the holster that you have on at the indoor range?
I cannot remember which one I had - but it probably was a Red Hill Tactical shell on a Boss hanger.
I'm seeing conflicting things about Shadow 2's making weight for IDPA Carry Optics. What do you know about it?
In USPSA they can get the weight down to 44.xx oz with a 140mm mag so I am sure it’s no big deal for IDPA- BUT you have to Swiss cheese the slide to get it there- and I am not sure the weight relieving cuts are legal. I would recommend an XFive if you want a heavy gun for CO. I promise the shadow 2 at the price it is to get it into CO doesn’t provide 2x the performance. I could get it for USPSA guys who shoot production with S2s and they want to use all the same stuff.
@@TheHumbleMarksman Thanks again for the help!
Do this this could make a decent carry gun? Size doesn't matter to me and weight isn't a huge problem? It's very competition oriented as you've stated but I everything minus the weight and size should be a plus.
For pure shooting 9MM - it’s pretty strong. The thickened slide / frame and all that weight- fully loaded with 18 Russ of 9mm you are talking 50+ oz. For me- I would rather have a 75 based shadow without the rail. I haven’t tried- but I am not excited at the prospect of carrying one despite my obvious love for it. I carried a 1911 for about a year because I was stubborn and ultimately the muzzle was a bit too long and the prospect of the S2 reminds me too much of that. I am sure it can be done by someone who wants to carry the sidearm they are most effective with- but my effectiveness with a P01 or 75B isn’t a lot different for a wide swath of shooting challenges. Or maybe a P09...
I have been carrying a 75B pretty happily for a while- I often think about snagging a Shadowline 75 or the Shadow Tac II - it’s the short dust cover shadow that comes with heinie straight 8’s. The shadow line 75 has the high power cuts like a 75B and the tac 2 has the SP01 slide.
please do note that Shadow 2 and all "Shadow line guns" do NOT have any kind of drop safety
Id love to get one but i heard that this guns are prone to frame cracks issues
the very early MFG ones were - they changed the machining of the frames so it's not an issue anymore.
Just ordered a Shadow 2. Just bought some Acme coated 147 Gr bullets to reload. Hope that works out. And your opinion Sir?
+Terry Walker Acme makes a great product! I have no doubt the 147s will serve well. I did a test comparing the same powder loaded to the same power factor with a 124 and a 147. Out of an SP01 shadow neither me or my buddy could tell a difference. From that point forward we used 124s. The 124s group a little tighter and are cheaper. Plus you get more projectiles per case- so order slightly less frequently. I stopped using Acme because their 124 profile had stupid short OAL in my old Shadows. You will love it, I am certain just be sure to do the plunk rest with your shadow 2 barrel to develop a good OAL
Acme has a new profile 124 that will allow you to load to longer OAL. In my Shadow 2, I can load longer vs the SNS. As for the 124 vs 147, I prefer the 124 because it shoots flatter and recoil speed is slightly faster. Not by much but when you shoot in volumes the price difference makes it hard to ignore.
dan l acme had a brilliant 124 profile that was my absolute favorite. Then they changed their mold and used the same photos and web links on their site to sell it. I didn’t realize it until I loaded up about 1k rounds that were too long for my gun. Acme makes great bullets but I won’t order from them again for that reason.
What if I want want to eventually mod the gun and go into limited or open? Should I go with a different model of CZ?
I would look at a tactical sports model if that’s what you want to do. The Tac sport is the same frame as a Czechmate. Really I would say save up and get a Czechmate and don’t screw around. The Czechmate can be a sight tracking Tac sport with minor scoring
@@TheHumbleMarksman Thanks!
Local GM = Andreas? Yeah, he runs a Shadow 2 also. I need to make the drive up to RBGC.
There are 3 GMs on S2s in N. GA- Tyler and Rob as well.
Aww man... cutting the beard must have been hard. Good cause though. Thanks for the vid. 😊
+Abaddon 12 I let each kid clip down about half my face so it was fun for them. Then I rediscovered shaving is for the birds. Eww.
Its always hilarious for me to see the differences about how people see guns. Most americans I hear think of the shadow 2 as a expensive pistol. Here in Germany you are only allowed to own a certain amount of pistols and most people are bullseye shooters, when I bought my CZ for 1100€ or 1250 USD everyone told me that I will have to get a more expensive and better pistol soon anyways. Most people that shoot multi distance here run guns upwards 3000€ or 3500USD
Difference being that from what I am told pistol ownership - especially IPSC- is a game of the elite basically in Europe. In the US we can own service guns and they are comparatively easy to come by. $5-600 USD is a standard price for a service gun so a gun retailing at $1100 is a premium. A 75B is about $540 right now.
Shadow 2 or ts2?
well Mr mustache you should see me compete with bolt action rifle on call of duty..I be no scoping
Loved the review, but your statement on the weight having no impact on muzzle flip/recoil was contradictory to what you said moments before.
The muzzle climb is different from recoil - how hard the gun is hitting you in hand. It doesn't really hit you in hand any harder or softer than an SP-01 - there is a slight reduction in muzzle climb due to the extra relief in the grip tang and trigger guard, the sights do recover from recoil faster due to the extra weight of the thickened frame up front.
Does that make sense?
For a shooter with average or small size hands, do you think Lok grips would make the grip more agreeable?
LOK makes thin grips that are a similar profile to the aluminums but way more aggressive. I've used the bogie thins - but they are hands down the most aggressive (read: Painful after 300 rounds) . You could hit it with an emery board and take the sharpness out or look at the checkered versions
TheHumbleMarksman that sounds like a plan. Great video and I learned a lot! I am toying with competing and it looks like the Shadow 2 is the right tool for the job.
So since I made this video nearly 2 years ago - the landscape has changed a bunch. Carry Optics is coming on strong. I sold my shadow 2's to compete in CO. I'd point you toward Carry Optics if you are interested in competing.
TheHumbleMarksman have you done a video on that yet?
I picked up a cheap Glock 17 MOS to try the division with - when I found out I liked the division I got a Glock 34 gen 5 MOS FS to actually compete with - so if you look on my channel pretty much all the glock related content is around getting acclimated to the platform. There's not a " best" platform to go with for CO - the Glock 17/34, Walther Q5 or Q5SF, Sig X Five, or an old Smith & WEsson M&P CORE are all good choices. The P10F OR will eventually be a good choice but you still can't get stuff like co-witness irons. I have a video on "Why I quit shooting CZs" that the algorithim brought me a lot of hate with despite not being a "Glocks are better than CZ" video - simply explaining the switch.
Are spring changes allowed in production competition shooting?
USPSA - yes IPSC - no
TheHumbleMarksman thanks, in Italy I think we only have IPSC, so I guess I’ll change only the grips. Also great review, one of the best I found, and definitely better than most of the big channels.
I would love to get into competition shooting... Where can I find information?
USPSA.org or IDPA.com are the two major pistol games. What you see on my channel is mostly USPSA. There are a lot of videos here on the channel with comeptition tips
If one is not into this level of shooting.. where edc is the norm... then the SIG 226 is the first choice.
for a competition context - I disagree - i don't see spending basically the same money on a gun that doesn't handle recoil or have controls as conveniently placed. The shadow 2 is a race car. I don't know too many who actually EDC a 226 - those are big chunky guns in their own right.