What'll Kill Me First, the Printer or the Game?
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Printer with proprietary resin, game with proprietary measuring system, the dystopian future of tabletop gaming is NOW. Jokes aside, geat video!
You will own nothing, not even a tape measurer, and you will be happy
At least we're not at the point where we're buying licenses for models and rules and can have them taken away at any time aka video games.
@@paytreonsuhks like myminifactory, cults, or any other STL repository? Sorry, we're there already
I am also learning Kill Team right now and I can't even number the amount of times I've disgustedly asked "WHY??" while trying to sort through the rules. The absolutely inane choices for shapesmeasurements is definitely the "canary in the coal mine" of how obtuse things get.
Printer looks dope. My first reaction to closed systems is always writing them off because I instinctively want that control. I thought about it more, though, and in this space, I don't really want that control. I want a 3d printer to be as simple to use as this old laserjet printer behind me. I don't want to fiddle and tweak and troubleshoot. I want prints to just work as expected. I'm only a "seasonal" hobbier through the dark winter months when outdoor activities are unpleasant, so I'll never be able to justify the price of this set, but if I were, I'd absolutely spring for this unit.
Yeah I *think* GW is on a kick where they have to make every single one of their games different and apply no crossover. Killteam has the 'shapes as measurement' thing, Horus Heresy is closer to 7th edition Wh40k, Old World is basically 8th Edition Warhammer, Age of Sigmar runs on it's own thing, Warhammer 40k 10th edition runs on its own thing. There are baseline systems that run throughout (Weapon skill, Ballistics Skill etc.) but all of them do something funky.
I think this comes about because they want you to have things for each of the games, so you can't take your Kill team and just jump straight into a game of 40k, you've got to learn a completely new ruleset with its own keywords etc. so thus you've got to buy the 40k rulebook etc. The entire reason they aren't supporting Legacy factions in Old World is because they don't want people being able to play both with a single army and its the same reason they pulled all the Horus Heresy stuff from Space Marines and moved it into the 'not legal in tournaments' Legends bin, they don't want you playing Horus Heresy and 40k with the same army at official events.
@@luketfer this context is pretty interesting, thanks for bringing me up to speed. Now instead of being confused and angry, I can just be angry. 😅
I can absolutely relate to the process of trying to learn Killteam rules, it's such a shame it's all so messy and muddled when games like Warcry are an absolute breeze to get started with! Great work Nick, always impressed by the quality of your videos and this is no exception.
I know what you mean, I just wanted something easy to pick up and after flicking through the booklet in the starter set I sold it 😂
If you struggle a little bit with the rules of the Kill Team, maybe you would like to try “Grimdark Future Firefight”? The rules are completely free and you can use the minis, you already have. The rules are super easy and the game is soooo fast and smooth. Greetings
Kill Team is incredibly easy. Y'all are making mountains out of molehills.
Very nice, informative, and entertaining video. I love the 'whimsical' editing and all the visual gags.
By the way, you could give One Page Rules' Grimdark Future Firefight a try, all the rules are easily accesible and it's a pretty fun game (Just make sure to start with the beginner guide from the website rather than the core rules, the former contain the full rules while the latter serves as a reference point). It's a great alternative to Kill Team and very fun in it's own right (Emphasis on alternative, not replacement. They can both coexist imo.)
You know what I'm always looking forward to in a video of yours?
Where and how will Nick insert himself in the next scene :D
So happy to see you post - peerless crafting and production as usual, Gouache Boss
Thanks TwinSteel - hope you've been well!
@@CCMinis doing well currently - hope you and yours are happy and healthy
Great video, Nick! I recently picked up a super cheap set of chisels from Harbor Freight to help remove prints from my printer bed. It didn't seem difficult for you on the HeyGears, but the extremely thin blade and sturdy shaft (blimey) make it even easier and is a great $6 tool upgrade.
I'll have to check that out!
Great review mate, you had to do the wash station dance as well haha it is hard not too 🤣.
Thanks Nate! And how could you not!!
Just found your channel bro great videos ! Love waehammer more into the lore and books ,read like just under 200 books at this point and started a custodies and Dark Angel army . Can’t wait to see more of your work brother .
Lovin' the Desk shots!
Thanks!!
Awesome video as always! I'm in the market for a new printer so this came at a good time! Maybe I'll get sent one one day 😅
And I knoooww how tedious that dice segment was to mask, but it turned out really great!
Thanks Geordie!
My brain broke as soon as you started talking about the dice lol. Looks like a decent printer, though.
These 3D printers are getting crazy looks awesome!
Fantastic story telling style! Thanks as always / fun, fun, fun.
While kill team is complicated it tries to offer you a lot more strategic options compared to other skirmish games. Once you get used to it you may appreciate some of the aspects of it.
you didn't even mention the line of sight rules in this video which the community has agreed is probably the most complicated part.
I'm sure I'll get the hang of it eventually! Really love the concept of the game, just didn't expect that level of complexity - especially compared to Warcry
@@CCMinis warcry is fun, but really lacks depth. It's a great hangout and play game, but is not that great as a more competitive strategic game, imo.
The measuring system is so dumb but I'm going to learn Kill Team again since im fond of skirmish games like Warcry.
100% it'll be worth it but maaaaaaaan those measurements
@@CCMinis The measurements! They will haunt my nightmares!
I love your honesty Nick about the printer, Thanks
SO much to love here, great video
Thanks James!!
My concern with proprietary systems such as this comes down to resin. You are stuck with whatever resin the manufacturer produces and locked into whatever price point and quality they decide, unless you try reusing their bottle with a different manufacturer resin.
Seems like a good printing system... and anything that reduces set-up time and trouble-shooting has to be a bonus, unless you absolutely need to poke around and control everything. Way out of my price range though. Makes me wonder if I'll ever even get started 3D printing hobby parts, or whether my manual scratch and bash skills will always be my first and only option.
Nice. I would bet the holes are for reducing adhesion to the fep
That's gotta be it
Easiest Killteam would have been Custodes, with 2 squads and 2 custodes model per squad (yes you can have 2 custodes and 5 sisters of silence or 10 sisters but it is by far the most economical way to get into kill team).
Wait till you get to line of sight and cover rules! I’ve tried to learn them, but my eyes just glaze over every time 😅
If alcohol fumes are a problem for you...
Hi what is the printer like with it not having any air filters?
The resin it uses isn't the worst smelling, but I've recently put it in a grow tent that exhausts out of my window just in case
12:29 not gouche?! 😂
Aye sometimes you gotta roll in the oil
Where did you get the printing files thanks
Station Forge on Myminifactory
Thanks again😊
Great, now I need to buy a 3d printer
Oh boy have I got a recommendation for you
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Niiice
As for why skirmish games are more complex than the full wargame. GWs Skirmish games have ALWAYS been more complex than the full wargame because of the lower number of miniatures, Necromunda was always more complex than regular 40k. In fact Skirmish games in general seem to be more complex.
The Necromunda released in the 90s was far easier and less complex then 40K during that same period. I have been told that when GW re-released Necromunda made it far more complex and slower to play. If so that is a shame, as the original Necromunda was a fun game to play
no 3rd party slicers is a big fucking no from me. Anycubic tried that shit and their slicer is garbage