Toyota Engines Can BREAK? (Camry STALL- RATTLE P0015-P0017) - Diagnosis
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- This 2011 Toyota Camry 2.5 sounds like a can of MARBLES under the hood at 180k miles.
It lacks power and STALLS unless you hold your foot on the gas!
Codes P0015 and P0017 are set for the Exhaust Cam Timing system.
Let's pinpoint the problem and give the customer a quote for repairs...
Very strange failure, and some EXPENSIVE PARTS will definitely be required!
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Ivan
Nothing better than getting home from work and then bing a new video from Ivan.....let's go 😅
It's really a shame that so many shops are just parts changers. It's made me want to learn more about my vehicle so I don't have to deal with that.
They get paid to change parts, not diagnosis. And 6/10 times they get it right.
Unfortunately this is the case. If something isn't a straightforward fix I end up sending the customer to an independent shop or dealer. Lots of people don't understand that most mechanics don't get paid hourly and we have to provide all of our own tools so using/buying $5000 worth of diagnostic equipment and spending 8 hours diagnosing a problem that pays 1.5 hours to fix is how you end up not being able to pay your rent or buy groceries next paycheck.
8 months ago I knew what the problem was but wasn't quite sure now Im back researching and behold same model and engine. I've seen your videos for years and very appreciative. Thanks for your help. Keep people like me make the impossible, possible period.... Hail Pine Auto!!
The oil control filter is worth changing. It is under the number 1 cam bearing saddle.
Honestly I would wish you would do more than just one video I would love to see you do one at least every other day there's just something about the way you do videos I love it
Do you have any idea or clue of what it takes to do what you ask, so that you can potato on your couch and bang on a keyboard???
@@additudeobx he resembles that skidmark.
@@additudeobx yes I do understand
The guys gotta sleep once in a while. 😃😃
@@brianw8963 😂😂😂😂
These are exact symptoms when the intake camgear and tensioner goes bad and it prevents the timing chain from spinning freely which messe with the oil control solenoid and crank position sensor
Hey Ivan, did you see your brake fluid turned transmission fluid leak short made it onto the “just rolled in“ video?
mine is doing the same, my husband changed my timing chain and it ran better for abt 5 months and now it’s doing it again
The '13 and up are the intake phasers. I've heard a ton of these rattling on start-up.
Machines break! Some claim Toyota never break. This proves them wrong! Looking forward to the repair, Ivan.
I just replaced the timing chain and gear on my 96 Chevrolet K1500, it cost anywhere from $19 for (Chinese junk) to $50 for a Cloyes double roller chain (fit like a glove). I once tried a Engine Tech (Chinese Junk) and it had more slop than the original GM with over 200,000 miles on it. I really don't know why manufacturers are using this expensive complicated cam drive systems (Ford F150 5.4 3 valve instantly comes to mind), maybe emissions and or gas milage (really don't care), but I'm going to keep rebuilding all 3 of my old trucks and save $80,000/truck and avoid dealing with this BS.
Quick diagnostic, Ivan! That can get expensive and time consuming, if the phaser or part of it has grenaded. Curious top see the repair episode.
Crankshaft and camshaft position sensors replaced just because - no diagnostic made.
Since there is going to be a part two, I can only assume that the customer had approved repairs. Sweet! Hopefully the timing chain is not too bad.
My family has a 2012 Venza with the 2.7lL same codes but no stalling but noisy when engine is cold, parts in Canada are $840 for exhaust phaser/gear…Toyota has a big problem with this part design
Always love your videos Ivan!!!
Hey!! There's a guy sneaking around in the bushes behind you!
Can’t wait for repair 🤠
Replace both intake and exhaust camgear timing chain tensioner, timing chain and guides
$1000 in parts later 😁
I am wanting to say Scotty Kilmer has stated that these model years of Toyota engines have problems. My neighbor has a 2008 Camry with 85,000 miles that burns oil; it seems the piston rings that year were junk. I have a very good friend that works on many Toyota cars. He says he stays busy; but not as busy as techs that work on some other makes. GREAT VIDEO!
Yes, the early 2003 models had rod bolts not torqued and will blow. 2004 through 2006 were great. I believe in 2007 they switch to different piston rings and using a lower weight oil abd, and well, it did not work. Lots of gummed up rings and oil burning, and Toyota fixed a ton under extended warranty. New rings, back to using 5w-30 oil.
4th generation Honda CR-V’s had the same issue with the phaser assembly failing.
I guarantee you it's the camshaft gear what makes me think that is because it rattles on startup even if you already started it up sometimes they do rattle on startup whenever it's a cold start but then once it gets oil pressure it should not rattle so this is telling me that the locking pin on the timing gear is broken or something
Somewhat later model Toyota Sienna engines have a water pump that’s undersized, and bearings wear out at about 100k miles .. they’re a bitch to change, as they are very hard to get to .. lots of tear down required.
90s Toyota water pumps last 500k miles and easy to change :)
Thank you for all your help on how to diagnose
Looks like your fun never ends.
Ironic that Ivan releases the video on the day that my 17 year old Toyota turd wagon is up on the jack stands getting a used engine put in. In my case the head gasket failed - definitely on cylinder 3 put possibly 2 as well. Coolant was seeping into the cylinder and causing a misfire on start up and difficulty starting and cylinder 1 plug was completely black so the oil burning on that cylinder seems to have been ... bad. Oddly enough if I gave it the beans it would generally clear up and run OK as long as you were maintaining some kind of throttle. I had just been topping it up with water once a week for the last few months but it got so bad it needed sorting. It nearly stranded me the other day. I had to put my spare plugs in and use some easy start to get it to fire.
What Engine? how many km?
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics1KR-FE (it's a euro trash motor I believe designed by Daihatsu originally). Paired with a 5 speed they quite happily do 50mpg.
This one had done around 240,000 miles.
A used engine with 55k cost me about £230 delivered. Plus £120 for a clutch (which was pooched anyway). I have to swap the oil sump and modify the bolt holes for the new water pump but overall not terrible. With the mileage I do that engine should get me through to 2030.
be care full some of those camery engines have a recall for slugging due to small oil tubes when the engin was built. there was a few class action and extended warranty's on the engine and rings.
Stretched timing chain and needs new intake and exhaust camgear along with tensioner and guides
They break all the time. Both my parents drive Toyotas. Dads Tacoma needed driveshafts at 23K and an AC compressor at 64K. Moms Camry hasn't hiccupped yet but it doesn't have 10K on it. Nevermind the nearly brand new 09 Camry that went full throttle through a busy intersection killing my friend and her 2 kids.
Yes a lot of owners neglect out there.
Wow that is tragic! :(
Well I maintain both my folks vehicles and I don't go by the manufacturers recommended oil change intervals. I was raised on the every 3 months or 3K miles. There was no way to maintain the driveshafts or maintain the compressor from developing a shaft seal leak.
I do not like Drive by Wire vehicles.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics it was one of many that had the "unintended acceleration" that Toyota conveniently blamed on pedal misapplication and non-compatible floor mats. Apparently that nonsense only affects Toyotas and their drivers. Nevermind they paid the largest fine ever because of the cover up.
I have found through experience using the OEM oil filter is better for these cars. Better oil pressure and better oiling on the top end of the engine.
@@Michael_J_M14
A friend of mine, who is an engineer for Hyundai and Kia said the oiling system is designed for a particular oil filter. The tolerances are so specific to the particular oil filter that nothing else will work right.
My neighbors 06 Toyota Sequoia lost oil pressure when he used a Napa brand oil filter. I told him to use the Toyota filter from a dealer. Oil pressure went from 15 to 60 psi.
My 01 Toyota Corolla would do the same thing.
Were there any great vehicles produced in the 09-12 timeframe?
Shoot, our 2009 1.8 L Corolla was getting noisy enough that I went a step up on oil, 5 - 20 to 5 - 30 so for now its better. Fingers crossed it just a Camry thing!
Replace both phasers. The intake causes a rattle the exhaust fails catastrophically. The rattle breaks the upper guide. Standard motor products phasers are OEM. Read the tsb carefully. The intake phaser must be in the unlocked position until after the bolt is torqued. You CAN NOT replace the exhaust phaser without removing the timing cover. If you see a wear mark on the cover Infront of the exhaust phaser then the ring is moving and it will fail.
People don't realize, but them damn VVTI / oil sensors can cause catastrophic failure.
2014 Buick verano under 100,000 mi started dying randomly on light throttle The lightest of throttle, kept getting camshaft codes.
Couldn't figure out personally had to take it to a local and trusted shop, $300 later problem solved mechanics that he had to go and look up the symptoms but couldn't replicate himself replace both oil sensors with dorman (😩) parts because this was during COVID and the parts crunch was here and he couldn't get ACDelco as requested.
Anyways speed up to about 50,000 miles later same problem arises, but this time funds were low and I wasn't able to fix the problem because it really didn't happen that often and it seemed like the harder I was on the gas It wouldn't die but sometimes it would run rough or die especially at stop lights.
Well anyways my repeated driving like this eventually I was taking a corner in a very urban area parked with cars along both sides at a very early morning quiet time, and I could hear on heavier throttle around the corner severe engine clatter and it only seemed to get worse but would only happen on heavier throttle.
I immediately baby the car home never going over 1,200 RPM if possible, was very worried was not happy I thought I destroyed something because that noise was severe and like I said I replicated a few times and I knew exactly what it was.
Anyways the next day I replaced it with ACDelco solenoids, problem is gone no more engine chatter either.
It's funny how these little damn sensors can cause catastrophic failure if not remedied quickly after signs show up that they are failing, when people think of censor they don't think that their engine can grenade or get permanently damaged.
I haven't finished watching the video but I wouldn't be surprised if the chattering went away after replacing the sensors with brand new ones and if they didn't go away after that permanent damage has already been done.
This is also definitely related to oil changes as well, you have to be exactly at your engines supposed interval if not sooner with full synthetic I wouldn't go more than 4,000 miles on a oil change today.
The longer you go on oil changes the quicker the solenoids break for whatever reason.
I would bet you that the owner did not religiously keep up with the oil changes to that engine.
I was expecting that, but those VVT solenoids look OEM and are very clean for 170k miles. I was expecting them to be dark, but they are only slightly discolored.
I think this owner is very good with timely oil changes.
My buddy saw how reliable the Camry is as i have the generation before this one. He bought this same generation and had nothing but problems with it.
Mine is a 2010 SE with 214k no real issues. I had to replace the intermediate steering shaft because it was worn. Consistent ow 2o oil changes.
That's pretty crappy that they put a time/milage limit on warranty repair. They know it's a bad part, they know it's going to fail at some point. Just because you're lucky and manage to last longer than others, it's still a design flaw that's caused the problem. In fact it makes you unlucky because your now outside of free repair.
Exactly! and why make the part so damn expensive 🙄😕
Seems like an industry standard to set expiration dates for defect repair campaigns. If it's a safety recall, they have to fix it without conditions, no matter the age or mileage.
Since the repair campaign is not safety related, car companies can and often will make their repair campaigns time limited and screw over the owners who miss the opportunity. And I'm not even sure if the manufacturer is required to notify owners about the campaigns and TSBs. I don't think they always send adequate notification, it's just kept secret unless asked about.
Some countries have stronger "consumer protection" laws than others, so maybe the people there have better luck getting their defective cars repaired.
Thanks for the video Ivan.
This is Houston control. We are on standby, waiting for ignition. The weather is fair and lift off should commence shortly.
Not that it would help in this case but Toyota should have made this a 100K warranty. That part should not break especially that big spring.
Ivan i would tell the customer to source a second hand part would not pay that price
Toyotas are bullet proof… except for the 2AZ-FE oil burning low tension rings engines, 2AZ-FE head bolts recall, rusting frames, head gasket issues…
The solenoids looked different. The pattern of the cutouts seemed different. I wonder if they need to be swapped back.
I take it back. They look the same. Just had them in different positions. My bad!
Fellow shop owner has a Tacoma in his shop for a transmission. Guess the transmission cooler line blew out and they kept going. He said to buy all the pieces of the lines its almost 2k
I told him for that money he could have hydraulic lines made at a shop for around 100 bucks
had a 2014 drop a chain at 80k, rattle on start up, had gr v6 phaser come apart and eat through front of cylinder head. had oil feed line on gr v6 explode , toyotas are just like the rest, they all break
What about if you don’t have voltage la vvt selenoyde no going to work too
The timing chain on the Camry is it the same as Honda as far as inspecting for issues with the chain guides to replace if bad. Is this engine an interference engine?
Thanks Ivan!
Its rare Toyotas breakdown. Most of the time is lack of preventative maintenance. Our 09 Toyota Venza has been bulletproof with 215,000 miles. still drives like new. Oil changes on time can prevent problems like this.
Yes this was a rare manufacturer defect 👍
Not even knowing anything about the maintenance history of this car, it is clear that this car has been neglected and abused. The main gauge cluster lens is disgusting.
265,000 2009 ccamry. Runs great
It's stalling because it's out of time. Need a timing set!
I have driven one of them & they're a bit gutless, they have as much power as the old 127 kilowatt 3.8 litre Buick LN3 V6 engine which Holden bolted into the series 1 Holden VN Commodore in 1988 when the proposed Japanese sourced Nissan RB30E engine got too expensive once the value of the Japanese Yen for against the Australian dollar.
It would've been a nice car particularly if they carried the turbocharged 150.kilowatt version (RB30ET) over to the VN Commodore & several prototypes ran that engine.
The Buick L36 V6 engine was a brumby (wild horse) in comparison to the silky smooth Nissan six & the U.S. sourced engine was initially a problem as far as coolant Leaks goes where the welch plugs became the sacrificial anode so GM & Holden replaced the welch plugs under warranty with stainless steel items & added 3: aerobic sealing pellets to the coolant reservoir to.seal.up.any potential further coolant leaks around the welch plugs.
Holden replaced a lot of the graphite impregnated rope rear main oil seals under warranty as well which wasn't a problem with the Nissan RB30E engine.
The next L27 V6 engine had troubles with the 1 piece rear main oil seal sitting squarely inside of the rear main bearing cap which caused a potential oil leak sometimes !
The upper chain guide is likely broken.
Didn't you have a case six or more months ago were there was one of these sensor that had a piece of something in it.
@@davide.s.9880 You could be right! Was it pieces of plastic stuck in the 'actuator'?
Sounds like the cam phasers are going out.
I would also try not to drive it until after it's replaced because if the phasers coming apart there is a high chance that you can crash the valves
If the exhaust phaser comes apart it trashes everything, it's a steel ring an a torsion spring that falls into the chain and sprocket.
@@truracer20 yeah I said in a different post that nobody should drive that car until it gets checked out cuz that will definitely crash valves
What is an oil control solenoid?
Here's the crazy thing. Toyota will work to correct these issues so they may go a few years and then resolve it.
FordTechMakuloco recently had a video and he explained a problem Ford has had with axle splines for 10 YEARS and haven't done a thing about it. They add a washer if needed but never changed the detective part. They just keep pumping them out to this day. Even on the new Lightning.
Ford can't figure out lug nuts
all this new tech is great until it breaks
Time to scavenge a junkyard for a working used gear?
I'm thinking that a cheap fix could be to lock the gear in a fixed position that works well for idle and low rpm. Not ideal, but cheap, but that depends on if there are inspections that will fail due to DTCs being set and the car sets a timing DTC.
Great
It's shaking because it's afraid to tell you what is wrong with it.
I have red four Toyotas they all had problems and eventually broke In one way or another.
Let's all hope that the phaser didn't take out other components with it. Toyotas don't break often, but when they do it gets expensive.
#Don't tell Scotty
First of all, look at the instrument panel, and then look under the hood. This vehicle is completely ignored. I clean and armorall all the plastic and rubber parts under the hood about every 4 months. I change the oil every 5k miles and add a pint of Marvel Mystery Oil at every change. Yes it really matters.
It's a Toyota Defect...no amount of ArmorAll is going to help HAHAHA
It seems almost everything is more expensive these days.
When ever You get timing advanced or timing retarded trouble codes and you verified cam solenoids are good and the engine stalls it's jumped time either by cam phaser failure or timing chain tensioner failure. This is a timing set job.
VVT solenoid?
Parts are expensive and labor is expensive now. Oh well, what can do.
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Toyota engines are generally well engineered and are reliable if you don't skip maintenance. HOWEVER, it doesn't mean that its parts suppliers don't err occasionally. Toyota is pretty good about going to a different supplier once they identify defective parts, but the customer is still left to deal with them should he be so unlucky as to receive a defective part. They almost always break outside of the warranty period.
What happened with the filter?
It's under the valve cover. Maybe he'll show it during the phaser replacement.
The Toyota parts are sometimes Super Expensive (Lexus as well) BUT thank god that they actually still have the needed (in the case, so far) part or parts.....life is a bitch, these days....
I'm surprised, an oil change usually fixes that😅
Toyotas have had some weak points here and there, but I’ll still stand behind them over anything else. Though not quite as efficient as some of the newer stuff, the old 1MZ FE is a tough act to follow. 👍👍🇺🇸
Check the oil level. Those engines burn their oil.
I only click on be cause tidal said broken Toyota, Toyota's dont break so I had to take a peak make sure it wasn't a newer model with low milage like that 2015 or 16 Cherokee that you had couple weeks ago.......
Maybe have AUTOSTOP BUTON...HAHAHA😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
If you want to break an engine, just let me drive it around a while 😂
They rarely break down, two at our house, both over 12 years old, besides servicing they have cost us £200 in eBay parts and repairs 🤓 ALL Japanese brands are robbing customers with their spare part prices, I guess it’s because they don’t break down so much so the garages have little income from repairs?
They’re no better than any other manufacturer but Toyota owners tend to take better care of their cars and Toyota has always been waaaay ahead any other brand in costumer satisfaction
No they can NOT break. They last forever, it's your misdiagnosis of a perfect engine, shame on you.... Scotty Kilmer
An engine with a known issue doesn't manifest that problem until 180,000 miles. I'd say that's pretty darn reliable.
Camry was heavily neglected.
I really don’t care what brand it is they all break. They’re mechanical and can and will break. Change my mind.
Every video gonna have a part 4 now? 11k ppl in 4 hours so i guess ppl like those but man i hate a to be continued on a car bro
He has to wait for the part.
I had to wait 3 months to film part 2...so you can wait 1 day 😜
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics i could understand that, hope you didnt take my first comment as a bad thing. Just my opinion... I got much respect for you bro.
I know what Scotty Kilmer would have to say about this...
Toyota's and Hondas are still the most reliable cars on the planet
beside nissan
@@attilakohbor3360 older Nissan's yeah none with that CVT crap
But they must still be maintained properly to get maximum life out of the vehicle.
Thier bikes are pretty solid too. i fix other makes, but I ride Honda.
In this day and age, Toyota is the best of the worst
Scotty has been lying all these years
hahaha
Looks like owner went hog wild with spraying Armor All on the dials....
Still cheaper then buying another car.
Well, a 2011 Camry with nearly 200k miles is still worth at least $6,000. That is another reason to like Toyota. About the only thing that would make one not worth fixing would be if it had a major wreck or it was a victim of a flood or fire. Not many cars can make that claim.
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Seems like Chevy and Chrysler owners can’t wait to comment on how crappy Toyota’s are…this thing has 180k miles folks!!! A phaser going out at that mileage would be normal maintenance in my book. Anyone who watches South Main Auto will know that it is VERY common to have Chevy and Chrysler products only a few years old and with less than 50k miles having MAJOR repairs done. I’ll keep my Toyotas…thank you very much
cheap gas
Toyota's only fail thru poor maintenance only...in which case self inflicted ...
This case was an exception lol
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I know poor maintenance clearly… at some stage….
Toyota's are Junk. Way overrated. I stick with Chevy and Ford.
Why not just put it all in one video