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I love how Garnt is saying this while literally sitting next to The Anime Man.
The Anime Man isn't even the Anime Man anymore. He's mostly the Manga Man.
@@Miss__Mystic conor reads a good chunk of manga too they can just have manga discussions
@@philo2189 so Joey it's only "The ' ' Man"
@@pedro_rivera99 He's just the dude
@@Miss__Mystic and also Dr. Plenti Henti.
You know that garnt is in a bad position when he's next to "The ANIME man" and he still doesn't have someone to talk about anime with
I’m pretty sure there an isekai joke here somewhere
And a weeb girlfriend
@@chitandaeru7239 more like "horny fiance"
You mean the hentai man?
1:42
You can Just see the Depression on Garnt's Face when Connor say He Hated 86 , Hes like " Now all my Friends Dont watch Anime and Hate the ones i LIke aswell.."🤣🤣
I love how half of the comment section is just roasting Connor's opinion on 86.
It's okay that he didn't like it, but the way how he made the show sound so bad is just ridiculous
@@joshua_prime3743 Exactly. His phrasing is stupid but I do get what he was trying to say. Second season has been so much better so far.
As it should be
Because his opinion is wrong!
@@joshua_prime3743 What was ridiculous about it. He's saying it, exactly how he saw it and he has a point. Even Garnt who enjoyed the show was able to see his point.
I'm here to say, and I speak for a lot of others: WE ENJOY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ANIME, PLEASE DO IT WHENEVER YOU FEEL LIKE IT
Guess I'm here to say I'm part of the other side and don't particularly care about the anime talk, please keep talking about normal stuffs.
i would like to say that i just want them to talk
I’m here to say “I’m here to say”
@@cfilorvyls457 it’s normal to talk about anime. Stop labeling everything as abnormal.
I didn't subscribe to anime podcasts to hear them talk about anime
Conner the only person I know that'll hate 86 but love high-rise invasion 😭😭
He wants to watch Platinum end too, what?!
He said high rise invasion story is shit. I kinda agree to him to some extend that i prefer watching shit story but can keep you entertained than forcing yourself to watch a show that you find not entertaining even though it has amazing story
86 Through the Eyes of a Combat Vet...
I was a ground pounder. A cavalry scout (19D). From that perspective 86 is special. Shin's development, is real. So is Shuga's. Every stick has a mother or some guy that's always coming up with some philosophical shit. Thats Raiden. Shin's mannerisms are spot on for someone who's been there. Especially the way he just kind of stares at people who do stupid shit.
Also, the moment Raiden has in the truck, where the parade mechs are walking by, and his hands start moving instinctively. Yep. Real. The part where they have to be on the field, and not living in safety and peace? That's the feeling nearly every vet has when he still has brothers in the field. Part guilt, part separation anxiety, part being it's what you know and are strangely comfortable with. It's almost like the cereal isle scene in hurt locker.
So much of this anime strikes right home. The difference in the boots in the field vs the people in the walls. Comments like "The people will it" when the people have no fucking idea what it's like in the field, or what their "wants" translate to in reality for the guy behind the trigger. Staff officers being disconnected.
Day to day life in the FOB. All of it. The innuendos. The symbolism of someone who's supposed to be fodder, and frankly stupid / uneducated reading "all quiet on the western front" and the meaning of that. Each individual personality of the unit. Unit pride. The whole concept of being, essentially walking corpses and Raidens "climb the gallows" moment.
The best scenes for me are the ones around daily life at the FOB. That and the>! recon mission..!< Its uncanny just how right they got a lot of this...
It's hard to see them as kids, when they don't act like it.
Not My Post!!!
www.reddit.com/r/EightySix/comments/q6nk29/86_through_the_eyes_of_a_combat_vet/
@@giratius9307 It depends on preference I guess.
@@addie275 bruv, I just read "your" post literally in this video's comment section. We get it, shut your ctrl c+v for crying out loud.
I know the podcast is called "Trash taste" but my god Connor, you don't need to uphold that name all by yourself.
hahaha can't argue with that.
I hundred percent agree with him, it's really shit. You like it because you didn't see much stories
@@yous2244 It seems that you have not heard of the difference of opinions, if you do not like something, others may like it, You seem like the type who likes straightforward stories....go watch some school anime, you'll like it
@@Hunter635_ yes he can have a opinion but his opinion is wrong
@@Hunter635_ something probably
Missing out Connor. Even I was surprised by 86. This is the gem of this year.
86, Mushoku, Ranking of Kings and takt op.Destiny are so good
Yeah, Connor's take on 86 is genuinely just wrong. It feels like he doesn't quite understand what the point is.
@@Cloudberry_1 dude he was on a plane
This year had an amazing lineup all around. I fell in love with anime all over again with every season.
@@shiro4 Mushoku and ranking of kings are genuinely good anime but 86 and takt op aren't very good IMO. None of the characters are very interesting to me and it's just a drag to get through tbh
I disagree with Connor on 86. I understand where he's coming from, but like Garnt, I really enjoyed the mystery element and the bond that Lena had with the 86 crew members. Also, the emotional payoff in the last two episodes was incredible. The ending is one of the best I've ever seen in an Anime.
@@arcxcc Did you finish watching it? Both part 1 and part 2?
Yessss 😭😭😭 I cried so hard when I finished season 1 and I thought they all DIED then. Then my brother looked up the anime(He was watching it with me) and I cried even harder in relief when he saw there was a season 2(it was mostly finished airing at the time) and we watched it. I love it and am collecting the manga and novels(bought some today and yesterday)
I loved both seasons.
@Going Rogue aot is peak dbz mid
@@bakadabakada There's only 1 season with split cours.
You know Connor, I always thought if we ever knew each other we could be good friends; then you said you hated Eighty Six.
86 Through the Eyes of a Combat Vet...
I was a ground pounder. A cavalry scout (19D). From that perspective 86 is special. Shin's development, is real. So is Shuga's. Every stick has a mother or some guy that's always coming up with some philosophical shit. Thats Raiden. Shin's mannerisms are spot on for someone who's been there. Especially the way he just kind of stares at people who do stupid shit.
Also, the moment Raiden has in the truck, where the parade mechs are walking by, and his hands start moving instinctively. Yep. Real. The part where they have to be on the field, and not living in safety and peace? That's the feeling nearly every vet has when he still has brothers in the field. Part guilt, part separation anxiety, part being it's what you know and are strangely comfortable with. It's almost like the cereal isle scene in hurt locker.
So much of this anime strikes right home. The difference in the boots in the field vs the people in the walls. Comments like "The people will it" when the people have no fucking idea what it's like in the field, or what their "wants" translate to in reality for the guy behind the trigger. Staff officers being disconnected.
Day to day life in the FOB. All of it. The innuendos. The symbolism of someone who's supposed to be fodder, and frankly stupid / uneducated reading "all quiet on the western front" and the meaning of that. Each individual personality of the unit. Unit pride. The whole concept of being, essentially walking corpses and Raidens "climb the gallows" moment.
The best scenes for me are the ones around daily life at the FOB. That and the>! recon mission..!< Its uncanny just how right they got a lot of this...
It's hard to see them as kids, when they don't act like it.
Not My Post!!!
www.reddit.com/r/EightySix/comments/q6nk29/86_through_the_eyes_of_a_combat_vet/
@@addie275 I get your point but could you please stop posting this in every comment thread
@@prathikbhawankar9708 Yeah it cringe
He also said he thinks Cowboy Bebop is overrated so yea :/
@@beansmead5446 Well I think so too.
I think 86 is quite good (big fan of it), Connor makes 86 sounds way more stupid than it really is
86 was much better than I expected
It was good but connor makes good points about it.
@@atharv7353 It's so good and a real tearjerker.
just finished rn, shit was mad good.
@@sweetamishbutter7 Yeah not really
What do you mean? You can always talk to your inner-self about anime... right?
Uhh...
It's called loneliness
I always talk to myself about anime
You mean talking with your imaginary friends at the age of 17 isnt normal?
yes.....
right?
I will say that I actually enjoy the segments about anime stuff and the non-anime stuff. I think the challenge though is that a lot of times when anime is brought up, it's very casually or for a split second. I actually thought Connor's idea of everyone watching an anime and then doing something like a book report is a good idea, though I think I would rather hear about everyone watching the same one and then talking about what they liked and dis-liked, like an actual book club. Because it sounds like everyone on the show is in a different place right now surrounding anime, it may actually make for some interesting conversations. Similar to how Conner didn't like 86, but it sounded like Garnt did.
This would be amazing. Could also get the audience more invested.
It may be an inside joke. But it sounded like anime is taboo in the podcast lol.
I mean that's what they do on Sardonicast.
A book club idea would be nice but this group is too small and unrepresentative. They would also need to write notes down before going in. Because a lot of the time, I noticed they just subconsciously agree and concede. Connor initially didn't like the mystery but Garnt did, and Connor later agreed it was a interesting part of the show. While Garnt downplayed the show far more than what was initially suggested by him. If you read the comment section, there's a whole lot of people including myself that can analyze and break down 86 to prove that it is far more nuanced than what Connor and even Garnt suggests.
To be fair the reason why the show emphasizes on the mc being sympathetic was actually an important plot point. The other characters called her out because she was all trying to be a saint and criticising the system without really doing anything to change it.
exactly and that not only leads to change in how she interacted to the 86 but how she went about changing things.
exactly another important point that connor missed. there's a reason why she was sympathetic and others were not. also he only watched up to episode 8 lol.. if only he took a bit more effort to reach episode 9.
86 is just not the type of anime you want to watch on a plane ride.
not surprised, most anime viewers are just dumb for not noticing one of the important plot point.
You got a bit of modernity in that comment of yours, it's out of place. The story is modelled after WW2 era and post, including gulag times.
There is no system to change, changing the system is a modern, mostly democratic fantasy that people try to make into reality.
The author did the right thing, and expressed the 86's disgust towards her. They're criticising her, but not for anything so lofty as not "Doing something about it". As they should, they feel disgust, outrage, that she's too little too late, inappropriate, there is nothing constructive until they actually discover she is committed to making a mess and putting her life on the line. But Lena is never under the insane idea that she can change the system, no one ever thought of that.
Be Connor
-barely watch anime
-watches one of the best anime this year
-trash talks it
-would rater watch platinum end
The pain has no cure
Honestly
i can see connor point but the way he say it its like a stupid show i
so much pain
Ikr
@@marlonmarinay5102 To my mind Connor failed to properly engage enough with the show intellectually. "Racism bad" is nowhere near the message of 86 if you look even slightly past the surface level, it's just the background that facilitates the actual story. Which is an extremely good examination of the psychological phenomena that would occur in people placed in such situations. You don't have to take my word for it, there's a professional psychologist on CZcams and Twitch that analyses the shit out of this show and he sometimes takes four hours to watch and dissect a single episode, there's just so much to unpack.
Then again, Connor did dislike Evangelion because the plot didn't make sense, which is an identical way to misunderstand a show's point. So I guess Trash Taste is a fitting descriptor lmao!
I would like a "bookclub" segment,i don,t think it would be a problem if joey talked about a manga while they talked about anime. For those who don,t like when they talk about it,it would be just a segment of the episode,and for those who do,we would get the clips.
i agree
they already talked about this, having segments means you will be squeezing something to talk with and over time it will be boring
Would be fun if they announced an anime they were all gonna check out so we could too and be part of the fun lol
I doesn't necessarily have to be about anime though. It could be more inclusive where they each talk about a media they consumed recently, whether it's a movie, manga, anime, hentai, doujin, book etc.
You can't do special treatment and it should be 1 new show at the end of every season
Connor really called 86 mid for 5 minutes then said "I really wanna watch Platinum End!"
Truly living up to the name 😂
I'm sure 86 is better than Connor makes it sound, but I honestly like Platinum End. Anything that critiques the ideas of power fantasy and overwhelming individual agency is worthwhile in the age of the Isekai. At least IMO. And Platinum End made those things look super miserable and disturbing, so I'd call that a decently powerful work.
you do realise he hasnt read or watched platinum end before? and was only interested because it was made by the death note author? well i guess not everyone has ears and eyes so
He literally said Platinum End looks stupid and edgy.
I am definitely in the group that is in the weeb culture but doesn't keep up with anime anymore. I do miss watching it, but I'm just kinda burnt out.
Burn out of watching anime ? How? It’s anime not an organic chemistry lecture
@@weebpotato2366 real depression hours got me not wanting to do anything lmao
I only really watch shows I’ve already watched before or their continuations. Can’t commit to anything new.
@@gundamboy1138 I feel that. I'm in the same boat tbh.
I'm more of an occasional anime watcher and play games more
connor really did hit us with a "bad take" premium edition
Sounds like Connor really did miss the nuance of 86. The message isn't "racism bad", it's about showing the systematic destruction of a fascist state in the face of a problem that exists beyond their racist framework. It even goes further to show how sympathetic liberals aren't enough to save a fascist state from fascism, since our heroine fails in her escapades until she goes from being more than just sympathetic and becomes a true ally.
And then season 2 turns it into a completely fleshed out political analogy, showing how the costs of war can still be unfairly distributed in a democratic nation, and then later a discussion on why one should fight--not just in war, but in general.
Legitimately one of my few 10/10s
Edit: as a guy who enjoyed Mushoku Tensei's slow burn, I'm surprised Connor didn't like 86 (I thought it was mediocre until right about after he dropped it lol)
exactly this, 86 had some great subtext in it and the ost is a banger, and the animation was amazing. Tope tier show and def a tear jerker at the end
my god u can psychoanaylyse bloody bob the builder and say the same crap. stop tryna overthink boring anime like 86. it was terrible.
@@FM-dm8xj lol no this was the actual stated point by the author , she’s been through quite a few interviews stating as such. Don’t get mad at op because you were too fucking simple to get the point of the show . It was boring to you because you have bad taste as does Conor . Have a good one 🤣
@@mookiestewart3776 ahahah so whatever the author who made the show says goes? no bias their at all champ! the show was boring, i guess it only appeals to people who spend their time in the library playing video games alone all day!
the ost and art was good, the story and characters were terrible. 5/10 its overrated af
No. I understand Connor’s opinion, but no. Come on 86 is amazing. The fact that the entire season 1 was covering 1 volume of the books, proves how well thought out the whole story is. They put a lot of effort to build up the entire world and the main characters, the world building is purely amazing. Also it gets super emotional by the time you are invested in the characters.
Connor is expecting the show to tackle the wrong themes and dismissed it when it didn't meet his expectations. He thought it is about racism. It's not. If anything it shows how simply being liberal can't stand up against authoritarian institutions. It's about child soldiers, PTSD, survivor's guilt, reintegrating into society, moving on, interpersonal connections, and finding life goals. Garnt also did not seem to understand the themes either and failed to really sell the show as a result.
Regina kinda dragged the show down tho. It’s the typical fish out of water scenario, with this innocent girl being exposed to the real horrors of war, kinda. The interesting part was always the 86ers fighting the legion and the legion themselves. It was a bit of slow burn but it does eventually pick up for those really strong final 3-4 episodes. But since the action isnt up front and isn’t too flashy (it’s a bunch of kids piloting old ass mini-mechs), I can see how some monke brained people like Connor got turned off in the beginning. Especially if you go in with the mentality of trying to nitpick the show
@@Ritsu362 The show isn't even focused on action, it's just bonuses. The real focus is the emotions.
@@swordzanderson5352 then the show is kinda butt. It’s kinda boring if you don’t consider the mechs and stuff
@@Ritsu362 If you don't enjoy and attach to the characters, then yeah, 86 isn't the show for you. The most intense and beautiful part of 86 is how they handled emotional turmoil, PTSD, resolution and hope within despair. Not to mention the amazing choreography and music along with near-flawless worldbuilding, but sadly, not for everyone, apparently.
Do know, though, that there is no in between, either I see people think it's boring, or you become a cultist heralding it as the greatest show of all time, me being the latter. Should we agree to disagree, you can't deny that the show did something right if millions are absolutely OBSESSED with the show.
There's also no denying that the average viewer doesn't really think when they're watching a show, hence why so many shows focus on relaxation over actual deep contextual meaning.
I'm definitely a weeb who doesn't watch anime anymore. I used to watch 12-24 episodes a day in highschool of whatever I stumbled upon, literally piled up hundreds and hundreds of series. Nowadays I'd watch the first couple episodes of a new anime and then drop it 95% of the times, yet I'm still neck deep in weeb culture.
I still do keep up with some mangas tho, mainly because it's much easier to read a manga chapter while on the toilet, on a train, walking the dog, etc
Yeah, there's something magical about that newb phase where you can just watch anything and everything and enjoy it.
These days it's rare I have more than one episode a day from the new season.
Now that I think about it I'm only following 3 anime right now... AssassIssekai, Mushoku Tensei and Jahy
Yeah, I especially feel you about jumping off onto the manga train.
Usually I take a long break and return to watching garbage + good anime everyday until another burn out
I barely watch anime. I only watch the ones I'm actually interested in.
However, I really love reading manga. My favorites so far are Berserk, Battle Angel, Bakuman, and so forth.
As a fan of 86 I do disagree with connor's opinion since he only focused on one thing and its understandable since he missed a lot of points of the show. It's understandable since its hard to choose between sleeping vs watching anime also he's on a plane so its not a perfect environment to enjoy watching things.
Def agree with you. 86s focus wasn't just the societal or action aspect of the show. Akin to Gundam anime, 86 is more about a slow burn of showing us how war can drag innocent and peaceful lives into total hell. Imo, it's more about the horrors of war, corruption, and how it can drive a person to do atrocities than it is about simply racism.
Kinda agree with connor, but not to his extend. I groaned every time those parts were mentioned but in general I just felt it was very shallow overall. And I agree I was more interested in the enemy but in the first season it isn't really touched upon.
Connor is literally like i dont like aot cause titans don't make sense without even trying to understand it
Ngl man i am canceling my trash taste patreon you can say shit about my bone chicken but not like this connor
there is also he thing that Connor is looking at the racist part from a wesern point of view where these things are far different too japan
Yeeesss! As they were taking about it I’m just like is this really all they got from it? 😭
The 86 take is legit a trash take. 10/10 this podcast lives to the name
Indeed trash taste :P
86 was amazing, it's a shame Garnt downplayed it after hearing Connor's opinion and didn't really put up a good argument on why it was good
I have just finished 86. I binged it in 1 day, really good. Yep, definitely trash taste.
😂😂😂🤝
@@mustafaLY2631horrible opinion
What I got was that Connor failed to understand what 86 is about lol. I Maine calling it non nuanced. Ffs, this is the first time I've seen calling out virtue signaling, Lena herself is an allegory for "holier-than-thou" self-proclaimed minorities supporters, it was only after Theo called her out that she started to grow as an actual character and stopped being a caricature. Amazing portrayals of PTSD, that's been actually praised by war veterans for it's accuracy. Finding purpose when all's been lost. If the racism wasn't "spoonfed" he'd have failed to notice that too probably.
agree 100%
Thing is. Theres a thing called show not tell. Racism is obviously bad so its common sense. Connor hates it when the show thinks the audience is dumb
@@starandeath4735 thing is, it did "show not tell" for a lot of stuff, but he only GOT what was spoonfed. People ask for "show not tell" and then get mad when they don't get what was shown but not told. This is exactly what happened with Connor, failing to get everything that wasn't overtly explicit.
@@starandeath4735 That’s the thing, when people aren’t spoon fed this information, especially when it is important to the characters development and decision making, the information gets lost and the viewer becomes confused. Honestly there are so many dumb anime fans that would not be able to see these spoon fed moments unless it was like that. In my experience, these people complain about being spoon fed by the show like they think they’re idiots, but when they aren’t spoon fed and it’s show not tell, they completely miss the point and get confused when it becomes an important part of the story.
@@starandeath4735 the anime does show not tell all the time there are a ton of little details in the visuals and towards the end used almost evangelion like sequences to show things.
Damn this man watched 86 like it was a South park/family guy episode on a plane half asleep. LOL it's a series you have to pay attention.
86 SPOILERS I felt the same as Connor about the 86 mc being a white saviour type at the beginning of the show, but did he miss the part where they actually called her out very harshly for it?? The whole point is that she cannot pretend to be on the oppressed people's side while actively siding with the oppressor, and she has very complicated feelings about it after she realizes what a hypocrite she is. I agree the "racism bad" side of the story is dumbly oversimplified, but I feel like that's not what the story is about anyway. The story does a better job highlighting the thoughts and experiences of various individuals on both (and later a third) sides, and how they deal with the dilemmas brought on by their circumstances. The feeling I got from watching the mc was that she was frustrated by how little she could do, how nothing she did would really make a difference in the lives of her subordinates or the war as a whole. I'm not quite up to speed with the 2nd part of the season, but this experience is clearly changing her as a person. And there are many other characters that go through their own struggles unique to them. Personally, 86 has become one of my favorite animes, so sorry about getting a little intense!
wtf is connor on about and why is grant agreeing 86 is goddamn solid A show
@Martin Toledo naruto is shit either way so that's not a good example
That take about 86 was soo bad. The racism isn't that big of a part of the show later on. It's clear everyone else in the military know that the 86 squad is just like them or whatever. That was the reason they showed those scenes to establish that they just don't care enough for them and see them as expendable, not worth risking the lives of their own soldiers.
86 was such a masterpiece from the somber yet somehow uplifting setting, the character development of the MC because of her interactions with the 86 squad, all the relationship drama with her friend and also among the 86 themselves and of course the amazing EDs by Hiroyuki Sawano, Laco and miyuki. 'Hands Up to the Sky' is definitely a contender for best ED. (PS: OP was great too).
All in all this was one of my favourite new anime this year and I hope it gets all the love and attention it deserves. S2 going strong right now.
Still need to wait for ep 11
In my opinion, 86 is a great show. I love the novels and when I heard that it is getting an anime adaptation I was sceptical. After watching the whole 1st part, my mind was blown out on how good the adaptation was. 11 whole episodes just for 1 light novel volume, when other shows do 3 episodes for 1 volume. The soundtrack is also really good.
No lol
@@MGNew 😀😃
86 is just amazing
@@MGNew Fine. But it's good.
@@MGNew 🤡
Looks like Connor completely missed the point of 86.
It’s just another day where Connor had an L opinion. I loved 86, i binged it after watching this and i was asking myself if we watched the same show multiple times during the binge. I love Connor and his stories but his anime taste is either a hit or a miss.
86 Through the Eyes of a Combat Vet...
I was a ground pounder. A cavalry scout (19D). From that perspective 86 is special. Shin's development, is real. So is Shuga's. Every stick has a mother or some guy that's always coming up with some philosophical shit. Thats Raiden. Shin's mannerisms are spot on for someone who's been there. Especially the way he just kind of stares at people who do stupid shit.
Also, the moment Raiden has in the truck, where the parade mechs are walking by, and his hands start moving instinctively. Yep. Real. The part where they have to be on the field, and not living in safety and peace? That's the feeling nearly every vet has when he still has brothers in the field. Part guilt, part separation anxiety, part being it's what you know and are strangely comfortable with. It's almost like the cereal isle scene in hurt locker.
So much of this anime strikes right home. The difference in the boots in the field vs the people in the walls. Comments like "The people will it" when the people have no fucking idea what it's like in the field, or what their "wants" translate to in reality for the guy behind the trigger. Staff officers being disconnected.
Day to day life in the FOB. All of it. The innuendos. The symbolism of someone who's supposed to be fodder, and frankly stupid / uneducated reading "all quiet on the western front" and the meaning of that. Each individual personality of the unit. Unit pride. The whole concept of being, essentially walking corpses and Raidens "climb the gallows" moment.
The best scenes for me are the ones around daily life at the FOB. That and the>! recon mission..!< Its uncanny just how right they got a lot of this...
It's hard to see them as kids, when they don't act like it.
Not My Post!!!
www.reddit.com/r/EightySix/comments/q6nk29/86_through_the_eyes_of_a_combat_vet/
Agreed, 86 was too good
Nah. Conner's criticism is a valid one. A lot of the scenes was actually hard to take seriously. Just dropped the show in S2 ill probably go back to it, if I hear the ending is good. Would have probably enjoyed it more if it was more subtle with its themes since it has more of a serious / dramatic vibe.
You have to keep in my mind.. He picked the series on a plane... I think if he may pick it again he may like it.. Also all criticism he said is valid.. But despite that show is pretty good.
@@christianangelovergara855 which scenes are you talking about?
3:30 I literally finished that show last night and was sitting contemplating my existence because it was so freaking good and then Connor casually trashes and I'm like bruh please
86 was good. Especially to watch weekly. I don’t really agree with Connor but I’m not really surprised lmao
Was shit
yeah 86 was boring af
@@FM-dm8xj yeah, sure buddy
Yes the ending was very beautiful
@@FM-dm8xj ur comment is boring af :)
Connors opinion on 86 makes me cringe..... that show was peak
the ending 😩😩😫😫
@@austeyen5628 fr that was beautiful! 😭
Connor has the worst take on 86.
And he set himself up for failure watching it nonstop on a flight.
It ain’t Trash Taste for nothing. He needs to try again with a mindset that isn’t fighting Jet lag.
Check the name of the podcast, sit back and enjoy. No reason to seethe over trash taste
Disagreed. Agreed with him on all points and thought it was trying to hard to be woke with no nuance and the characters were clunky.
You’re definitely entitled to like the series and I didn’t hate it at all, but I just felt like it was a 6/10.
I mean I watched 86 twice. The first time I thought it sucked it sucked the second time it was worse. But I can at least talk to Garnt about it. Conor can't
I really feel that the remaining episodes after 8 of 86 was when it start to get really good. I'd admit that the first 7~8ish episodes felt like a slog, but then it hits you in the kokoro really hard, especially the last episode.
It never once felt like a slog to me and it was paced very well. Narritive was strong, music is amazing and the characters are amazing.
I honestly don't see how those 7-8 episodes are boring, like each episode keep giving you more aspects of things surronding the world around it and the further you go in the more surprise it gets
86 Through the Eyes of a Combat Vet...
I was a ground pounder. A cavalry scout (19D). From that perspective 86 is special. Shin's development, is real. So is Shuga's. Every stick has a mother or some guy that's always coming up with some philosophical shit. Thats Raiden. Shin's mannerisms are spot on for someone who's been there. Especially the way he just kind of stares at people who do stupid shit.
Also, the moment Raiden has in the truck, where the parade mechs are walking by, and his hands start moving instinctively. Yep. Real. The part where they have to be on the field, and not living in safety and peace? That's the feeling nearly every vet has when he still has brothers in the field. Part guilt, part separation anxiety, part being it's what you know and are strangely comfortable with. It's almost like the cereal isle scene in hurt locker.
So much of this anime strikes right home. The difference in the boots in the field vs the people in the walls. Comments like "The people will it" when the people have no fucking idea what it's like in the field, or what their "wants" translate to in reality for the guy behind the trigger. Staff officers being disconnected.
Day to day life in the FOB. All of it. The innuendos. The symbolism of someone who's supposed to be fodder, and frankly stupid / uneducated reading "all quiet on the western front" and the meaning of that. Each individual personality of the unit. Unit pride. The whole concept of being, essentially walking corpses and Raidens "climb the gallows" moment.
The best scenes for me are the ones around daily life at the FOB. That and the>! recon mission..!< Its uncanny just how right they got a lot of this...
It's hard to see them as kids, when they don't act like it.
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@@sugar-lx1jz Well connor did say he plans to watch Platinum End because "it looks dumb and fun". Well there's your answer. Some people just don't get it man, they just don't. Mostly everyone likes Lord of the Rings and I know people who don't like it. That's just how it is man.
So, episode 5 was a slog? Episode 7 was a slog? TF are you saying? This show was good from the very beginning, from the amazing dialogues (which were always heavy and hitting hard), to the heavy and emotional moments in those first 8 episodes were just too good. Sometimes I feel like asking you guys if we even watched the same show.
Connor is just describing the back drop of the series.
In my opinion, that isn't the main plot. That's just the world they live in.
I guess he didn't finish the whole season, so I kind of understand it.
I honestly was also going to call quits on it, but it got good near the end. (At least for me.)
yeah but its is still boring bud if you don't give a fuck about mystery. and also the characters is not very likeable they are okayish. nothing special
@@nomercy9240 i thought it same about Shin (MC) but after last episode opinion about him for me changed (full 180 turn).
@@nomercy9240 most people only watch this show because they like generic edgy boy with a generic white haired waifu
@@michaelsimarmata5880 even if you ask all the people why they watch 86 only 1 percent of the people will say this..........
@@michaelsimarmata5880 well you haven't understood the devastation that he bottles up within him. There are moments where he looks edgy but that is something to freak out over, and in a bad way.
Connor proving himself again
He's really a monke
86 was completely shit
@@yous2244 Right? I finished it and it was nothing really amazing. I suppose this anime is going through Akame ga kill route were ppl esp 14yo like the anime because of deaths.
@@pnut7090 the stupidest thing is when the author killed them all off, I wasn't really invested in them and author didn't take his time to build their character. They just died and I mearly went... OK....
@@yous2244 Yes. I never got invested with the characters as their focus in cour 1 is with Lena while in cour 2 is with Shin. They tried to show off the depth within the other 4 survivors (Theo, Kurena, Raiden, and Anju) in the most boring way possible that later on just got forgotten as the edgy protagonist is the main focus in cour 2. The racism theme is poorly written as well unlike how code geass and aot handled it, i'm also the type to get irritated when ppl say the same things over and over again just like how this series also remind us *we are 86, we are being discriminated and we don't care* like fu ck me i know i know already just stop. lmfao
I actually would still watch more season of this if ever it got release as to know if this will ever got "improvements" as what the so called light novel readers boast about.
@@pnut7090 I disagree on the statement about Aot handling the topic of racism overall better, but both do have pretty important lessons.
While Aot shows with the Jaegerists that even if you yourself are a target of _systemic_ discrimination, it doesn't stop those people from trying to build their own systems of oppression and that it's obviously not okay to do that. IE. "Cycle of Revenge" bad, but this is a lesson that has been done in many many stories that always try to tackle the violence surrounding racism. (Also, in Aot racism doesn't really even enter the story as a topic until the tail end of S3 part 2. Before the 'Big Reveal' the story's main topic is more or less Zombie Apocalypse with Giants & Flesh Mechas.)
In 86, many of the soldiers hold a view that all of their Handlers are by default stuck-up Alban scumbags, but they also understand that there are people among them who have had varrying personal experiences with individual Albans. They also understand that even if their current Alban boss is trying to be well-intentioned but naive in thinking she's fighting with them together as their comrade, holding one person responsible for the actions of the whole system isn't fair either. Another reason for the system still being up besides the Albans' ideology of "genetic surperiority" is shown to be indifference, as Anna and Lena's uncle have chosen to act blind as defense mechanism due to their own past failures and despair/disappointment over not having done anything before.
It also shows off how first with Lena and later with the Federacy that trying to be overtly sympathetic from a position of privilege can come off as incredibly pretentious if you are only providing them help on surface level while watching from your Ivory Tower and she gets brutally called out on this by Theo. On the other hand, you can appear condescending if you try to coddle them and not let them pick or fight their own battles in life, both figurative and literal. Essentially, people want to be treated as people, not as children and I don't feel like this "White Man's Burden" attitude gets called out or discussed often enough in these types of stories from the beginning.
I'm a 28 old german, just talking about enjoying Anime or things like Vocaloid Concerts IRL was and still is a pain, because others instantly look down on you. But to tell you the truth I don't care about their opinions I just enjoy it alone.
nice bud just keep liking what you love.
Was ist dein discord tag bro lass uns über anime reden
so fühl ich mich als deutscher wenns um vtuber geht
Really? It's so interesting how things are so variable depending on the European country you're in. It's much better to be an anime fan in Italy...hehe. (Not the most anime-friendly one, but pretty good)
29 Jahre alt und jo, fühl ich.
I came back here to say that Eighty Six finale is perfect.
Altho I can understand some of the criticisms as a novel reader I can say that racism isn’t the main theme of the story and honestly by volume 2 rarely appears again.
Sure there are one or two scenes that bring the topic back later on in the story but in my opinion they work as tools to bring up a different message of its own which actually connects to the actually main theme of the story which is:
how can you find meaning in life after you’ve lost everything and all thats left is your pride in being able fight?
86 Through the Eyes of a Combat Vet...
I was a ground pounder. A cavalry scout (19D). From that perspective 86 is special. Shin's development, is real. So is Shuga's. Every stick has a mother or some guy that's always coming up with some philosophical shit. Thats Raiden. Shin's mannerisms are spot on for someone who's been there. Especially the way he just kind of stares at people who do stupid shit.
Also, the moment Raiden has in the truck, where the parade mechs are walking by, and his hands start moving instinctively. Yep. Real. The part where they have to be on the field, and not living in safety and peace? That's the feeling nearly every vet has when he still has brothers in the field. Part guilt, part separation anxiety, part being it's what you know and are strangely comfortable with. It's almost like the cereal isle scene in hurt locker.
So much of this anime strikes right home. The difference in the boots in the field vs the people in the walls. Comments like "The people will it" when the people have no fucking idea what it's like in the field, or what their "wants" translate to in reality for the guy behind the trigger. Staff officers being disconnected.
Day to day life in the FOB. All of it. The innuendos. The symbolism of someone who's supposed to be fodder, and frankly stupid / uneducated reading "all quiet on the western front" and the meaning of that. Each individual personality of the unit. Unit pride. The whole concept of being, essentially walking corpses and Raidens "climb the gallows" moment.
The best scenes for me are the ones around daily life at the FOB. That and the>! recon mission..!< Its uncanny just how right they got a lot of this...
It's hard to see them as kids, when they don't act like it.
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When season 1 uses only volume 1 as it's overall plot, the theme just got stretched so it does feel a bit "too much" and nothing new is added to the topic. The first season is all about character relationships which I found lacking in the light novel after all.
you cant judge 86 solely on a surface level, like the story 86 is telling is way beyond simply "racism bad dont do it lmao". The series goes much deeper, and as someone whos reading the light novel, theres even more to know than the actual 86 fans know already. like theres a reason their twitter is being bombarded by people begging for another season, cause both 86 parts just about reached its half part aka theres roughly 2 more seasons you could milk from it and simply the fact that because san magnolia has been destroyed which forced lena to join giad is only touching the surface towards ending the threat of the legion because that was genuinely the first time she has actually met the 86 squad for the first time and basically proved the republic wrong.
How can someone say 86 is bad? Like it's actually one of the best anime to come out this year, and anyone who's read the novels will agree that the story just never stops being fucking awesome.
Opinions , i liked the show and the story a lot but you can't convince me that all the other characters that are not shin or lena are either meh or trash
@@kingdoom5022 well you are not totally wrong, it's true that some characters are really not that good at first, but believe me, as the story goes on (specially in the novels) many of them get their own special moments, which are really fucking good but i cant talk about since it might come off as a spoiler. Just you wait 'till those moments get adapted.
@@pablo-_4078
right now its a 8/10 show but have the potential to be way better if the characters were a little bit better
Its mid.
Because it is.
Never thought I'd live to see the day where I'm completely agreeing with Garnt over Connor on an anime take.
86 is a masterpiece. The racism aspect is such a tiny theme of the overall story. Bad take, very bad take.
"I want to learn more about the enemy.." Then you need to keep watching. This is an adaptation that currently has 10 (11?) light novel volumes out right now.
It's a fantastic story you need to let develop. The adaptation has literally been perfect so far and the animations in the current second cour are downright jaw-dropping.
99.9% of people who don’t like 86 and think it’s just about racism haven’t read the LNs
@@danielalmeida7382 I mean, I watched the first 10 episodes before I ran out and bought the light novels and even I didn't think "Oh, this series spoon feeds me nothing but themes about racism. This series sucks." Like, yeah, there's obvious racism. But Connor is 110% missing the point of the first cour. There's so much more important stuff touched upon in those first 8 episodes other than racism.
it’s one of my favourite anime, i really like the characters and animation
@@macawweb2211 same! It has easily shot up into my top-5, especially after reading the LNs and seeing how perfect of an adaptation it actually is. The series literally checks off on every box (from writing to production) for a great anime.
When you're so sensitive to politics you see racism portrayed and you think that's the entire show :(
tbh, im hurt listening to Connor's opinion about 86 lmao, there's so much more to it that he's missing
He's just that kind of person i guess
I mean i understand there will be people who dislike what we like and vice versa
It just the way he say it a lil bit harsh
Maybe cz he still pretty much young
I thought that 86 had a nuanced take on racism when they showed Milize's relationship with the "peasants" and the brick walls she would hit despite how hard she tried. She couldn't understand how they felt. She couldn't see their faces. And she really did have this whole white savior complex going on and gets called out for it.
That's not something you see in a lot of shows, at least not that I've seen.
i would say give it a try again cause for me 86 was a masterpiece
Agreed i totally agree with you it is such a masterpiece dont care what anyone says
the racism is just the setting of the show that i don't get why it's the thing that caught the attention of the boys to define the show. the core theme of the show is the idea of being in the position of a suicide squad, how they are living with that fact everyday, and in S2 how they will function when they don't have to be in that position anymore...
As somebody who has recently gotten into anime I would love to hear them talk about anime more, but at the same time my enjoyment of the podcast isn't hurt at all when they don't. I do like the idea of the monthly anime suggestion that Connor made, it would be fun to watch along with them and try out some different anime
@@Tomluke5823 I mean they don't need to dedicate an entire episode to it, could just be a segment that they do. I don't see how talking about anime once a month could be the downfall of the podcast
@@Tomluke5823 I mean, they are getting low views BECAUSE they don't talk about anime anymore. I don't think it's a good example
@@Tomluke5823 they key to avoiding burnout is to watch what you enjoy.
Don't give a show you're not enjoying more than 3 episodes at most and drop it like a hot potato if it's not enticing you to watch more.
Some people will get swept up in a lot of anime (I've followed as much as 10 anime in a season before, but it varies season to season and I also have other priorities that sometimes force me to put some on a wait list that I may or may not get back to) and others might only find one or two shows per season that really capture their imagination and bring them into the world.
Yeah I also got into anime relatively recently and the first thing I hear is that nobody watches anime anymore 🤣 story of my life
Connor's take on 86 is...certainly something, ain't it?
Its something cause its true
Correct?
Not exactly the word I would've used.
@@michaelsimarmata5880 first question:Till what episode did you watch?
@@madkoala2130 I watched till the latest episode of S2
Edit: cause even though I hate it I still hoped it would be better, but boy was I wrong...
When u turn ur brain of when watching 86, u be like connor.
Not surprised, but ur missing a whole lot of the “show and not tell” aspect of the show.
Watching 86 as a russian after the war has started boosted the show for me by miles, because of how similar san-magnolian propaganda was to real russian propaganda and by extension San-Magnolia was to Russia. Some sort of far away war, that would be won soon, with no losses due to supperior technology. The fascism. The actual war just over the border with no end in sight, that is fought by 2nd class citizens(Chechens and Buryats IRL) on obsolete equipment, without any fire support, intel or a reliable chain of command that cares for the soldiers on the ground is something that was protraied very well. The shame of being Russian, despite knowing that you want peace in the world was communicated spectaculary. Best of all the author completely nailed the feeling of inadequacy. The feeling, that in no way can I change the system far greater than myself, that i cant stop the carnage.
A few weeks after finisihing the show i found a video with an intercepted call of a russian solider to his mother. They were being sent on a suicide mission to cover up the crimes of the russian regime, because they knew too much. He was so hauntingly calm, a guy my age so easily accepting his death, just like the spearhead squadron. "Why arent you coming back?" "Because there are 30 of us and 1000 of them." I cried then.
I wish this ends soon with a ukranian victory. I have moved to Georgia to not get conscripted. This is genocide of ukrainians and russians and Putin will be punished. Slava Ukraini, Jive Belarus, Freedom to Russia. Fucking glory to the spearhead squadron.
Amen brother!
Слава Украине! Жыве Беларусь! Россия будет свободной!
Yeah, people complain that 10 years is "too fast" for state propaganda to completely dehumanise "different" people in the eyes of the populace... When in reality just barely 8 years was enough for Putin's propaganda to make a big part of average citizens' opinions on Ukrainians go from "brothers slavs" to "nazi-banderas" that need "denazification" of some sort....
As a Belarusian, i feel you bro, and hope this pointless war ends sooner. At least now it seems that Ukrainians have a solid chance to actually win this shit, which is nice.
@@nickcher7071 На самом деле думаю что Украина уже победила. Учитывая, что у неё будет только больше техники, а у России все меньше техники и денег. Что с очень большим шансом значит смену режима в России, т.к. поражение в войне исторически прощать не умеют. Надеюсь что он сменится на что-то более демократическое и менее воинственной, хотя надежды осталось не очень много.
@@user-ff6dl9zr7u я болею за украинцев, но уверенно говорить о победе имхо пока рано, хрен знает чего можно ожидать от режима если их в угол загонят. С этих станется йобнуть ТЯО в чистом поле и сказать что Киев следующий...
Но да, хотелось бы верить в положительный исход для всех участвующих. Больше всего опасаюсь варианта что продув войну РФ посыпется на составляющие - ибо хуже одного милитариста с ядерной дубиной под боком, только орава варлордов с ядерными дубинками поменьше, активно режущая друг друга. Жопа в общем
I love it when u guys talk about anime, u don't need to be forced to have an anime segment since Joey doesn't look like he is up for it (even tho it is actually a good idea). When i rewatch previous trash taste episodes, i always prioritize the anime related ones coz it brings me joy the most.
Definitely want to know ur guys thoughts on currently airing or modern anime (and why Joey doesn't want to watch anime anymore) ^^
The fact that Joey isn't up for an anime segment when he's the self-proclaimed Anime Man mildly infuriates me lol
Connor's take on 86 is so horrendous lmao
Giant L take. 86 was incredible.
About 86 and racism i wonder if the "no nuance take" is because Japan is kinda racist.
Even today their view on WW2 is basically "there was a war and then we got nuked, the end" and they completely skip all the atrocities committed.
So they kinda need a 0 nuance show that says "remember guys, racism bad"
Attack on Titan literally exists. Obviously it's possible for a Japanese author to have an extremely nuanced take on racism, so what is the 86 author's excuse? It's just bad writing.
@@Tohlemiach Attack on titan is a weird one.
Real racism is wrong because the idea that someone is inferior\worse than you just because they look different is obviously false and irrational.
In AOT there is a race of people that can transform into giant man-eating monsters.
Fear in that case in this case has a rational foundation.
@@Tohlemiach AoT needed 3 seasons to get to the racism part, so kinda a bad example, 86 only had 12 eps
@@Tohlemiach Yes, it is possible for authors to have a nuanced take, but that doesn't mean every audience will get it. What's the point if you wanna tell the audience something but the audience doesn't understand it because you made it too complicated?
I mean, look at Star Wars. George Lucas tried to make the movie anti-war/anti-imperialism and literally modelled the rebels after the Vietnamese that fought against American occupation. He pretty much spoonfed the audience with 0 nuances, but for some reason, half of the American Star Wars fans still have no clue about that and are still pro-war.
(For the record, I do enjoy smart nuances and I think 86 would be more enjoyable for me if it was more deliberate, but I completely understand why it was made that way).
@@Tohlemiach it sounds more like you have a really dumb opinion and understanding of what "bad writing" even means
Jobless reincarnation is still where it's at
A show about a grown man reincarnated as a child, doing perverted stuff with other younger characters. Also Iseaki = garbage
@@coldfire2753 you are not a man of culture FYI Roxy is pretty old
@@wrusst what about Eris, the child he literally grooms to be his wife
@@coldfire2753 good things about Mushoku Tensei:
Story
Narrative
World building
Character development
Direction
Animation
Pacing
OST
Bad things about Mushoku Tensei:
The few ecchi scenes
Ah yes truly not a good show
@@danielalmeida7382 story mid
Narrative ok
World building generic, like any other Iseaki
Character development debetable, but I didn't like it
Direction mid
Animation best thing about it
Pacing debetable, a lot was boring to me
OST subjective
Overall you're right it's not terrible. Just very mid
The weird thing about 86 is that the second part of the show goes in a very different direction. It mostly doesnt focus on the over the top racism and instead has a strong emphasis on soldiers trying to live their lives after they finally leave the battlefield. It also has gone into more detail on explaining the Legion (enemy robots) and their origins. While I agree with some of the gripes they mentioned about part 1, I feel that part 2 has done a much better job at exploring it's theme in a more nuisance way.
There's alot of racism in 86 season. It's just implicit. It's trying to show people that there are different forms of racism and that despite the federacy trying to say that they aren't racist when they literally are and are treating 86 like monsters and sacrificing them because they are different, but are trying to hide it under stupid reasons
I found the part 2 to be really boring in comparison to s1 which was actually pretty good
So dropped at episode 2 of part 2
@@LisaOnRoids Damn you missed out, the first few episodes of season 2 is just setup to the rest of the season. I would give it another few episodes before dropping it again.
@@LisaOnRoids You just missed one of the best and satisfying endings in anime in the last years
Garnt: "I have no one to talk about anime with."
Also Garnt:
> Is an anituber with 1M+ subs
> Is friends with many other anitubers
> Is currently on a podcast revolving around anime, with two co-hosts whose channels also revolve around anime
I mean nowadays Conner just makes videos about Japan and streams games
connor does stuffs with his rat pet, and anime man has become the manga boi, so yeah
@Martin Toledo connor wasn't wrong though first 8 eps were ass, last three were somewhat enjoyable.
@@PrinceLobo-es8kl There's an actual meaning behind what happens. It's just everyone pays more attention to the racists side. You guys need to pay more attention and stop being so simple minded about it
I'm extremely late here but Garnt didn't explain how interesting the machinery of the Legion truly is. The Black Sheep units are not based on AI, they have human brains from former 86 in them. Shin (one of the main characters) can hear them screaming their last words on repeat. To avoid the Legion from taking using more brains, Shin shoots all of his dead companions in the cranium.
Well, its called TRASH taste for a reason
Yeah, I really like 86, animations at last EPs of S1 are really awesome. This anime at some parts made me a little bit cry or really feel it... I think, that's all about how you feel and how you wanna to feel.. I'm sad person, so this kind of anime suits me more than some crazy colored anime full of jokes, these anime are also good, but I don't feel like that I want to laugh... I just want to be me and stay like this, so I'm really glad that they made it ^^
@@thegamingwolf5612 I'm not sure how to explain this feeling, I'm not sure if its edgy to feel this way, but as I've grown over the years I've slowly taken being sad as my comfort emotion, I don't know how to explain it.
86 Through the Eyes of a Combat Vet...
I was a ground pounder. A cavalry scout (19D). From that perspective 86 is special. Shin's development, is real. So is Shuga's. Every stick has a mother or some guy that's always coming up with some philosophical shit. Thats Raiden. Shin's mannerisms are spot on for someone who's been there. Especially the way he just kind of stares at people who do stupid shit.
Also, the moment Raiden has in the truck, where the parade mechs are walking by, and his hands start moving instinctively. Yep. Real. The part where they have to be on the field, and not living in safety and peace? That's the feeling nearly every vet has when he still has brothers in the field. Part guilt, part separation anxiety, part being it's what you know and are strangely comfortable with. It's almost like the cereal isle scene in hurt locker.
So much of this anime strikes right home. The difference in the boots in the field vs the people in the walls. Comments like "The people will it" when the people have no fucking idea what it's like in the field, or what their "wants" translate to in reality for the guy behind the trigger. Staff officers being disconnected.
Day to day life in the FOB. All of it. The innuendos. The symbolism of someone who's supposed to be fodder, and frankly stupid / uneducated reading "all quiet on the western front" and the meaning of that. Each individual personality of the unit. Unit pride. The whole concept of being, essentially walking corpses and Raidens "climb the gallows" moment.
The best scenes for me are the ones around daily life at the FOB. That and the>! recon mission..!< Its uncanny just how right they got a lot of this...
It's hard to see them as kids, when they don't act like it.
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A podcast of shounen fanboys vaguely disliking 86 while liking SnK
What a world to live in
Connor talking about the racism issue while snk does the same, but 100 times worse
@@coldkurisu96 so you think 86 tells a better story about racism than SnK?
Or did I get that wrong?
@@michaelsimarmata5880 Yes it does. Aot uses manichaeism in a bad manner, the whole take is " If you are an Eldian you are the devil". The way they portrait the Liberio internment zone is awful.
@@coldkurisu96 And you think the way that 86 is choking us the idea of "86 is the bad guys" is not awful too?
@@michaelsimarmata5880 At least in 86, its not a one-sided view. You have some characters from the Republic of Magnolia to counterpart the situation.
Conor miss the point, they weren’t showing the FMC being sympathetic so she’s a good person. They’re showing her being sympathetic is helping nobody and she’s powerless while also showing the 86s slowing appreciating her trying to be a good commander.
Bruh!😂
Connor didn't continue 86 Eighty-Six and only watched up to Episode 8? SMH🙁
Episode 9 is where Lena's character growth starts😩
Damn, out of the three of them Garnt is always the person I agree with...every time😐
I dunno, I mean it's Connor's opinion so...
Well for me, 86 Eighty-Six is a masterpiece, and is definitely my AOTY
If Connor wants to know more about the Legions, he should definitely continue and give it a shot, because Cour 2 is definitely FIRE🔥👌
I completely agree with you ! 🤝
Im on your side brother
Well actually her growth starts in episode 4 after Theo confronted her about her unconscious discrimination against them
@@Oboreru493 true, but Connor just don't get it😂
If he could've just continued on he's so close to get into the good part😆
Since Episode 9 is where Lena actually wakes up from her naive, idealistic dreams, no matter how many times she confront the government officials or San Magnolia in general, they'll continue to ignore it. And so Episode 9 is probably the Episode where Connor can "maybe" actually like the show, I dunno maybe he still won't like it🤣
@@TheTFMHunter I wanna be fair with Connor since he watched it on a plane and it may be hard to catch all the visual storytelling while fighting the lack of sleep in a flight but man...
So yeah... Trash Taste lives up to it's name, lmao... I feel bad for Garnt not having anyone to talk about anime with. Joey has become very distant with watching anime now and Connor... well, he's Connor. 86 is definitely one of those underrated gems that has the potential to become a masterpiece if done correctly.
conner is crazy i think 86 is like top 10
Same here. It's a shame he didn't watch the rest because the last few episodes were fantastic.
connor is so wrong about 86 bruh
Idk man, anyone who lives in the US knows what spoonfed anti-racism messages. With that in mind, 86 did it far better in almost every way. It addresses the alba as monsters, displaying hypocrisy of someone saying “I’m nice to those people” while having no skin in the game, and it also show the eighty six as monsters too. Look at anju, Kaie and shin who got shit on by other eighty six because they had different bloodlines. It’s not like hollywood where it just shows ONE race as bad but it provides nuance and a non linear aspect of racism(and incrimination)where Hollywood movie studios are just unable to do so.
Beyond the overarching theme, shin’s whole character arc is pretty excellent, the animation and OST are phenomal. My only critique is they had multiple recap eps in season 2 due to episode delays and I wish one of those would’ve spent time showing Lena POST big legion attack.
86 is one of the strongest shows this year. Best anti-war Anime on the market.
Maybe he has this take cuz one volume of the LN is extended for 12 eps. So the slow paced and constant repetitive stuff was cuz of that. 2nd season has much better pace.
Sadly he stopped at 8 and the show really picks up 9 onward.
Dang @Eric D. I remember having the 86 on in the background while doing other stuff when episode 9 happened, stuff gets revealed, and having to pause the episode like, "wait WAIT WTF DID THEY JUST SAYYY ABOUT THE ROBOTS?!?"
86 Through the Eyes of a Combat Vet...
I was a ground pounder. A cavalry scout (19D). From that perspective 86 is special. Shin's development, is real. So is Shuga's. Every stick has a mother or some guy that's always coming up with some philosophical shit. Thats Raiden. Shin's mannerisms are spot on for someone who's been there. Especially the way he just kind of stares at people who do stupid shit.
Also, the moment Raiden has in the truck, where the parade mechs are walking by, and his hands start moving instinctively. Yep. Real. The part where they have to be on the field, and not living in safety and peace? That's the feeling nearly every vet has when he still has brothers in the field. Part guilt, part separation anxiety, part being it's what you know and are strangely comfortable with. It's almost like the cereal isle scene in hurt locker.
So much of this anime strikes right home. The difference in the boots in the field vs the people in the walls. Comments like "The people will it" when the people have no fucking idea what it's like in the field, or what their "wants" translate to in reality for the guy behind the trigger. Staff officers being disconnected.
Day to day life in the FOB. All of it. The innuendos. The symbolism of someone who's supposed to be fodder, and frankly stupid / uneducated reading "all quiet on the western front" and the meaning of that. Each individual personality of the unit. Unit pride. The whole concept of being, essentially walking corpses and Raidens "climb the gallows" moment.
The best scenes for me are the ones around daily life at the FOB. That and the>! recon mission..!< Its uncanny just how right they got a lot of this...
It's hard to see them as kids, when they don't act like it.
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@@olivinemage4233 I saw that plot point coming miles away, obviously the predictions of those pigs will be overturned, but it is still great for me.
To me, the slow pace is what made it even better. I like how they took their time and adapted just 1 volume for cour 1. The slow pace is what made the dialogue heavy scenes hit hard as well. It was like a slow burn which made it more impactful. A lot better than studios rushing through the LN content and skipping important dialogues. Now if you feel like the pacing was a drag, I think you just don't have any patience. Like bruh let the story develop first.
I think 86 was great.
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Connor was half asleep on that flight, 100%
Connor somehow missing that every character from Lena’s, best friend, to her “uncle”, to her colleagues, to the 86 themselves called her out on her “angelic” sympathy complex. The spoon feeding that Connor mentioned was intentional to show how naive the female lead was. And the constant “0 casualty” was to emphasize how ingrained the horrors were in the culture of the republic. The propaganda was the status quo.
Conner's take on Eighty-six is genuinely horrible, doesn't do the show any justice at all.
Anime is old hat. It's all about tokusatsu, now!
I kid, of course. I always come back to anime.
Ah damn 86 secured it's spot in my favorites pretty quickly. Platinum End on the other hand was absolutely horrid from start to finish 😱
True XD
I see 86 as AoT with mechs (the mechs uses grappling hooks to swing around buildings too lol). It's a bummer that it came out alongside big animes like AoT and mushoku tensei where their hype sort of covers 86. All these are great imo
Reminds me of Garnt's "You'll Grow out of Anime" video; but no one grows out of anime. They just take extended breaks. Unfortunately for Grant, his breaks and his friends' are just out of sync.
Maybe in a year or so, The Anime Man will find an anime he likes and want to talk about it, but at that point, Gnart is now exclusively watches, IDK, Bushcraft Survival videos.
That said, I hope they don't pull some kind of topic-interest-time-period synchronization thing, since it's less entertaining to have them all on the same page, and more fun to watch them reading different books entirely.
That take about 86 aged so poorly
Ikr?! Hahaha
What makes me click on a trash taste clip faster than usual?
Lena in the thumbnail
same here brother
Understandable
86 is peak anime bro tf
Guys, 86 is based on the LN, and it only covered 3 volumes of the LN.
86 was a really good anime, ending was suburb with the build-up throughout the entire anime, it was just really really good.
IMO if occasionally talking about anime results in hot takes like this i don't know if I want that. We go from claiming 86 is shit to expressing literally any interest in platinum end at all? 86 is an 8/10 at worst. And the irony of Connor claiming it had a spoon fed take on racism and lacked subtlety while missing the actual theme of the show made me laugh a little.
86 has been one of the best animes lol what
After watching both cour 1 and 2 of the first season of eighty six i can say that its a great anime and racism is not the only thing it focuses on. It also deals with other matters like survivors guilt and finding reasons to live after war and has a suprisingly Good ending. Its a much watch and if i had to rank it on the basis of world-building, sountracks, story and animation its on par with mushoku tensei
Totally, but the first half of 86 was really draggy in repeating the emphasis on the racism theme and the empathetic MC.
Connor trashing on 86 makes me sadge
86 is a great anime... that white guy just has bad taste...
Next episode of trash taste is probably just them talking about how Connor absolutely Gets destroyed by 86 fans
and if you all are wondering, Yes, i disagree with Connor's opinion on 86.
cant wait for them of them mean 86 fanboys assaulting connor for having OPINIONS ON THE INTERNET
@@aftertone3146 As a person who likes the show, It really hurts seeing the toxic fans come out of their holes and attack Connor. Like bro why would you want to attack someone who has provided top-class entertainment for the past couple of years just because he didn't like your favorite show.
@@prathikbhawankar9708 entertainment? you're joking right and that's not an opinion that's shitting on it.
I hate it when they're badmouthing 86... But okay.
This conversation reminds me of kinky MAL reviewers who literally give 10/10 on a shitty table tennis animation but call 86 which is an S-tier anime trash xD. 86 is literally one of the best anime, if not the best mecha anime ever made.
As many people have already pointed out, 86 isn't about racism entirely. It's oppression. The people who are watching part 2 right now will understand.
But in case you don't, let's take the female MC and her close relative and friend. They aren't racist, but by will or not they are accomplice to allowing what has already transpired to happen. Its concept is similar to the bois being frustrated with japanese paperwork, but they don't bother to change anything and just accept it for what it is (because what can you do?)
For anyone who thinks this is bad writing, you need to get your eyes check. Most of the references are based off WW2 france and a slight bit of germany, and it's likely that you haven't observed how the MC changed her outlook from being naive to being resolute.
So please go and check yourself. Do yourself a favor and read an analysis.
Agreed
Personally I don't believe you should need to read a analysis to like a show. I personally enjoyed 86 and saw some other themes that I really liked just by watching. But after reading other people's analysis, I also found myself in agreement with their viewpoints and just shows how multi-faceted the show really is. Its a good way of seeing other perspectives and interpretation. And Connor somehow fucking missed ALL OF THEM! So yea HE really do need to read some of these analysis because Garnt didn't do a good job explaining why he enjoyed it.
Wait the fuck? 86 is one of the best anime I’ve seen. Like it made top 5 by ep 7
I remember getting to this part and my god, Connor might have the shittiest taste in anime after all, I understand what he meant by 86 story being on the nose but he made it sound like such a terrible show
86 was an amazing show. The first 12 episodes were absolutely perfect
86 is literally one of the best anime I've watched, like ever😂😂 i binged it in 2 days!! It had a very satisfying ending
The whole racism thing was obvious like he said, but as the story grows it takes on another meaning. I actually never thought of racism as the story continued. These people are the 'low class, not special' people of the population...the 'disposable ones' and 'replaceable ones'. The themes of war and its effects, the trauma faced by the ones on the frontlines, especially with the label 'DISPOSABLE'...the trauma of being left behind(Shin). And also on the lady MC's side(Lena), the struggles of being an idealist, envisioning the ideal society and holding to that vision in a world that is anything but...being told everyday that it's hopeless to dream or try to be different, coming to terms with the fact that the ideal society is something that may never happen and having to decide between sitting and being disillusioned with the rest(Anette) or trying to 'DO WHAT YOU CAN' to make the world better for you and the people around you...these were the meat of the whole thing. And when they meet at the end it is GOLDEN, cause there's this tension throughout the story where the characters repeat over and over that it's a war, they're afraid to hope too much, they go out expecting to die...so we can't help but hope for them✨️
...and I still want to know who 'No face' is🤔😂😌
Monke man can't understand the depth of 86, shocking
"racism bad is such a spoonfeed take in 86" Then why do you like Attack on Titan season 4 so much? The racism in that show is just as spoon-fed and unnuanced too.
Also I do think Connor quit the show at a bad point. Because the look into racism does get a bit more nuanced as time goes on. The FMC gets called out for her sympathy without real action like an episode later, and season 2 focuses on an entire new nation and the protagonists' difficulties adjusting to an entirely new lifestyle.
cour 2*