How Each Hokage Handles the Uchiha Coup d'état in Hiruzen's position feat. @ThunderGodTG

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  • čas přidán 12. 09. 2024

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  • @manny9191
    @manny9191 Před 10 měsíci +102

    Tobirama: "fine, ill kill them myself"
    Hiruzen: "no no, we said "itachi" should do it we never said you"
    Tobirama: "no no, theres no need to force me, if i must, i must"

  • @spit-fire
    @spit-fire Před 10 měsíci +124

    Tobirama: “it’s almost like…I was built for this”

  • @Prince_Luci
    @Prince_Luci Před 10 měsíci +41

    Tobirama would be so devastated to see how badly Danzo fucked things up.
    “It’s almost as if you completely missed the point of every lesson i ever conveyed to you.”

  • @raymondgraham6455
    @raymondgraham6455 Před 9 měsíci +21

    Also something you forgot to mention is if Tobirama will want to figure out what happened. In the war arc he was ready to use Edo Tensi to revive Madara to make him talk. I believe he would do the same with Minato.

  • @kenjiyst1352
    @kenjiyst1352 Před 10 měsíci +22

    Big brain shikamaru defeats the Uchiha in the marketplace of ideas

    • @spit-fire
      @spit-fire Před 10 měsíci +2

      The wolf of leaf street

  • @jwall1646
    @jwall1646 Před 10 měsíci +14

    I just wanna say before all the memes flood in, Tobirama isn’t racist against the Uchiha, thank you for coming to my Ted talk. I know it’s a big meme if not thee biggest meme in the community but I don’t believe he despised them. Racism comes from not only hatred but mainly ignorance and Tobi was way too smart to be blinded like his father and other clan members. You could call him a cynic or say he’s wary of the Uchiha due directly to his upbringing but if you’re gonna call anybody racist please look at Danzo.

    • @KrispyKleenex365
      @KrispyKleenex365 Před 10 měsíci +10

      Uchihas are my personal favorite Clan
      With that said: Tobirama wasnt racist towards them. He was just very wary and cautious when it came to them as he had a great amount of knowledge on their mentality, emotional intelligence, past actions, etc, also knows about the shinobi world how War and conflict is unavoidable
      Did we forget that Tobirama had a very close uchiha Friend 🤔
      Danzo seems like the racist if anyone is , seriously Tobirama just didnt trust Uchiha they were too risky as they emotions dictate the outcome

  • @PrinceSharmy
    @PrinceSharmy Před 9 měsíci +4

    Itachi: should i go now
    Tobirama: no no allow me

  • @rayvonvelez3129
    @rayvonvelez3129 Před 9 měsíci +7

    If tobirama or minato found out what uchiha were plotting i think both would wipe out the uchiha themselves. People really underestimate how ruthless and dedicated Minato can be to protecting the village or being a ninja. I think minato wouldn't think twice about it. Hiruzen was the softest hokage ever.

    • @yordijimenez5170
      @yordijimenez5170 Před 9 měsíci +3

      Bro was literally minutes away from dying and said “gotta leave the Kyubi for the village”😭

    • @8-bitpersona16
      @8-bitpersona16 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Minato was ruthless, but he wasn’t heartless. Plus, he would probably see the death of the Uchiha as a huge loss for the village. Also Tobirama was literally pleading for Madara to not kill Sasuke, and even explicitly said he didn’t (entirely) hate the Uchiha. Seeing as the whole point of the village was to stop children from getting killed in war, and break the cycle of vengeance, I highly doubt Tobirama would betray his values like that.

    • @rayvonvelez3129
      @rayvonvelez3129 Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@8-bitpersona16 yeah I definitely could see them letting the children live.

  • @daymianhogue1634
    @daymianhogue1634 Před 10 měsíci +23

    Hashirama would stop the segregation if nothing else, because he'd be the one to rebuild the village using his wood style. We saw Yamato doing it after Pain.
    I think Tobirama would actually turn out marginally better than Hiruzen. Because I think Danzo wouldn't try as hard to overrule Tobirama... So I think Tobirama would in the end either go along with Shisuis plan OR if Danzo stops that? Tobirama I think would kill Danzo himself and then renegotiate with the Uchiha for peace... And if that fails? I think his last resort would be a partial massacre. Where he and Itachi kill everyone involved with the massacre at night at blame it on Danzo (who they also killed) but spare the children and non-rebels.
    Minato I think would just last second save it through diplomacy knowing it'd only cause more issues. If he can't just say "no, it was a masked man"
    Tsunade? Honestly, if it's post Naruto talk no jutsu... I think shed stop it for Naruto's sake. She allows the elders to over rule her on anything except when it comes to Naruto in specific.
    Kakashi? I think he prevents the segregation talking to the elders saying "it can't be the Uchiha one saved my life Obito. And I know Danzo was saved by Kagami, etc etc" and he could also make an excuse to put the business district he built on the outskirts.
    Naruto? Just too OP at talk no jutsu politics. Ez W.
    Shikamaru? I think does almost what Tobirama does. But probably a little better due to extra intelligence.

    • @ektran4205
      @ektran4205 Před 10 měsíci

      tobirama was the one who started the uchiha persecution

    • @daymianhogue1634
      @daymianhogue1634 Před 10 měsíci +6

      @@ektran4205 Sort of? He didn't really trust them, but he also made it clear he didn't trust most clans in the village overall. He saw there were good apples and bad apples in each clan. He was just particularly cautious of the Uchiha because they were more emotional than most and very powerful to boot.
      So he'd probably let them get pushed to the outskirts of the village... but once rebellion talks started? He'd probably go along with a good plan like Shisui's or at the very least sparing the children, elderly, and otherwise non-combatants.
      He wasn't as bad as Danzo who took Tobirama's caution to a paranoid extreme.

    • @joshfarrow9707
      @joshfarrow9707 Před 9 měsíci +2

      If danzo went behind tobirama's back he would end up with his head on a plate for everyone to see. Hiruzen was a cowardly when it came to killing people he knew.

    • @ektran4205
      @ektran4205 Před 9 měsíci

      @@joshfarrow9707 well danzo was continuing continuing what tobirama started

    • @ektran4205
      @ektran4205 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@joshfarrow9707 tobirama picked hiruzen because hiruzen reminded him of hashirana

  • @AtenSol12
    @AtenSol12 Před 9 měsíci +11

    Not getting into minutiae just potential outcomes
    1. Hashirama - ultimately hashirama would dissolve the coup. He wanted madara to be the first hokage. He knows not to sleight the uchiha. And altho not 100% all his doing, Hashiramas life is kinda defined by compromise. Even down to the end with madara where he tries until madara doesnt give him a choice in the matter and brings kurama into it. He might lose some ground. He might hit walls by the elders and anbu. But hashirama has his thresholds and ultimately will do what he feels is absolutely best.
    2. Tobirama arguably is more willing to quell the rebellion without force. His only big thing is he likely wouldnt have more power given to the uchiha. He is likely to to try and maintain the power structure of the village as is and would deem it necessary to remove desenters but give the head of the uchiha as the head of the village police, a better position and seat at the table so to speak.
    3. Minato is known as a genius and routinely has displayed he is forward thinking. He likely gets stopped by elders and danzo a lot but he would ultimately come to realize that war is a bad action killing them doesnt help so he would need to find a way to elim danzo. With danzo out of the way itachi or shisui or another uchiha is given the position as head of anbu/root. This will give them an inherent position of power where they can stand with minato. Who kight also increase the power that the uchiha leader might have just like tobirama might.
    4. Tsunade probably fails to make any drastic changes.
    5. Kakashi if hes still known as the copy ninja in the past knows the uchiha arent bad and will assist where he can but i feel like the elders and danzo cuck him if danzo isnt taken out somehow. He also would probably advocate for things to mostly stay as is but kight be more willing to allow an uchiha to be the next hokage. I forgot to say that with minato but minato and hashirama are likely to let that happen too.
    6. Naruto doesnt just resolve the situation he talk no jutsus everyone to one table to actually have a sit down meeting and then catches danzo tryna do some shady shit cause shikamaru gave him the intel on the low low. So its not actually naruto that resolves it but shikamaru using naruto as a figure head.

    • @AtenSol12
      @AtenSol12 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Tor tobirama yall made some good points haha i do think if it came down to a fight that he is with the shits and will fight. But i think really his idea that the uchiha are suited to police work and his willingness to give them that would still override the apathy so to speak. Hes logical. Not emotional. The uchiha represent a better asset to the village when they are happy than if they are upset or trying to defect.
      He would only massacre them if its the last option between them trying to take over or leave. Bec if they leave thats a MASSIVE amount if power in another village. If they take over he likely dies.

    • @AtenSol12
      @AtenSol12 Před 9 měsíci

      I didnt leave much room not to be convinced buuuut you did convince me with tsunade being as head strong and willing to work with others and kinda adopting a hashirama mentality that she actually might resolve the situation at the end of day but i still think itd be massive difficulty and shes still just as likely to fail. But better odds. If i had her at 0/10 before now its more like 5/10 either way

    • @AtenSol12
      @AtenSol12 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Hashirama , ultimately a positive outcome, same.
      Tobirma, ultimately negative outcome, diff
      Minato, ultimately positive, same
      Tsunade, ultimately positive but difficult, diff
      Kakashi, ultimately positive, same
      Naruto, ultimately positive, same

    • @brandonontama2415
      @brandonontama2415 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Good answer

    • @AtenSol12
      @AtenSol12 Před 9 měsíci

      @@brandonontama2415 thanks !

  • @Steven-rk3ky
    @Steven-rk3ky Před 10 měsíci +6

    Naruto Just gonna chakra flex and the uchiha will stop same with hashirama

  • @dandelarosa64
    @dandelarosa64 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Without Naruto’s influence Tsunade would be less sympathetic to the Uchicha, maybe not to the extent to being pro-massacre but Naruto’s feelings toward Sasuke had to play a part in influencing her opinions.

  • @kylemma33
    @kylemma33 Před 9 měsíci +3

    Tobirama didnt isolate/segregate the uchiha, they chose it themselves. They literally built a section built walls around their section of the village. All of the uchiha had to live inside their section of konaha, and werent allowed to mary outside of their clan.

    • @8-bitpersona16
      @8-bitpersona16 Před 9 měsíci +2

      That’s one aspect the video forgets. For the most part the Uchiha did this to themselves. Don’t get me wrong, I believe the massacre was unjustified, and the discrimination was too. But the Uchiha were the ones that said, look we other here, you over there. And because of that, they become estranged from the village. Worst of all, because of their separation no one was able to help defend them during the massacre. Personally, I interpret the whole Uchiha story as a message to never isolate yourself from others, because you never know when you meant need their help.

  • @brodyday6509
    @brodyday6509 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Horizon & Tg 💪🤠

  • @LMG_Skz
    @LMG_Skz Před 10 měsíci +4

    Forgot shikamaru he’s the current hokage rn how would he Handle the situation

    • @jwall1646
      @jwall1646 Před 10 měsíci

      Bro doesn’t do Boruto content

  • @TortillaBill
    @TortillaBill Před 10 měsíci +1

    An instant like. It would have been funny to add Orochimaru and Danzo for obvious reasons lol

  • @treylearns634
    @treylearns634 Před 9 měsíci +1

    You forgot that nagato can use soul dragon and soul steal. Not that he’s fast enough but those would still be lethal

  • @stealthquil1sants870
    @stealthquil1sants870 Před 10 měsíci +1

    The best collab duo im ready for this video

  • @nonsansdroit3800
    @nonsansdroit3800 Před 10 měsíci +5

    How would the story look if the Uchiha coup d'etat succeeded? (Assuming Itachi/Shisui choose Clan over Village or sit it out)
    Would Fugaku kill Naruto by summoning the Kyuubi? Or would it be a plain and simple fait accompli with Uchiha clansmen occupying key infrastructure and assassinating the Elders, Danzo and Asuma to force Hiruzen to abdicate and legally hand power to Fugaku?
    I think it would be fun to try and map it out, especially seeing how much of the story in Naruto relies on the personal/familial connections of the characters. Would Jiraya still spy for an Uchiha-led Konohagakure? Maybe. Search for Tsunade probably never happens. The Uchihas might turn the Kageship hereditary like in Suna. How would their foreign policy change?
    Most important question though, who would have Itachi voted for? Obama or Mitt Romney?

    • @glasses685
      @glasses685 Před 10 měsíci

      The Fourth Great Shinobi War starts about 10 years early.
      I don't think anything happens to Naruto immediately, Fugaku can't just summon the Kyuubi while it's sealed, they would have to kidnap Naruto and extract it first. But the village gets attacked by other villages before he even gets a chance to arrange all that. Basically it's a mess. A giant World War pops off and Konoha is in a terrible position. Hard to say how long the war would last or how it would end, but it would be a bad situation with lots of casualties and the village would be devastated.

    • @Williamjacob7789
      @Williamjacob7789 Před 9 měsíci

      They’d probably get attacked like they worried about from the beginning. The other villages would see this a perfect opportunity with Konoha weaker than ever.

  • @dannycorker3412
    @dannycorker3412 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Didn't they show how Minato handled it in the filler?

  • @uhhshae
    @uhhshae Před 10 měsíci +1

    No Shikamaru? Did I miss that getting mentioned in the intro?

  • @minatouchiha9971
    @minatouchiha9971 Před 9 měsíci

    36:46 great idea how can Konoha help end kirigakure's civil war if they had captured the demon brothers and zabuza and haku

  • @tsukiyami7101
    @tsukiyami7101 Před 9 měsíci

    If I was hokage, I'd just make a apocalyptic scenario where the leaf would hold a succession tournaments. Leaf vs Uchiha vs every village. The reason is too show the Uchiha what lies after their attempted coop. Is either scare them into submission or cause the destruction of all village systems in the process. But having a last resort like that would come in handy 😂

  • @mattmcwhirt4146
    @mattmcwhirt4146 Před 10 měsíci

    Finally bro you need to post more love your videos

  • @commander1suv492
    @commander1suv492 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Naruto can't even keep his son happy. You're crazy if you think a constantly fatigued Hokage Naruto, burdened by so much work, would be able to stop the Uchiha massacre.
    The only way Hokage Naruto does achieve this is via his status. The Uchiha all together would have no hope against Hokage Naruto, so that in itself would be a deterrent. Or Naruto's "talk no jutsu" ability on Fugaku, or possibly just scaring the shit out of him, like he does with the mini shin.

    • @Williamjacob7789
      @Williamjacob7789 Před 9 měsíci

      Naruto was fatigued because he did so much for the village. Naruto would be able to talk no jutsu the coup before it even gets to that point.

  • @kelvinallen9327
    @kelvinallen9327 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Tobirama loves and cares about the Uchiah's. Its just that Hashirama & Naruto are too emotional, they are too optimistic.
    The Uchiha clan was more about themselves than about the village.
    They were least patriotic of the main Clans of the village.
    Tobirama, Kakashi, & Shikamaru are logical people, unlike Naruto who was foolishly running after a so called friend who literally tried to kill him so many times. And Hashirama was too wishful/unrealistic. If i was the head of the scientific department of your village, & have done research on a group of people & found out that they have mental issues, should you as the Leader not take action to get those people the help needed?
    Also, No body was begging the Uchiha's to stay in the village. They were free to do as they please.
    If they were more patriotic, and cared less about their own clan & more about whats best for the village then Itachi wont have had to kill them.

  • @emssasukeisunderrated7946
    @emssasukeisunderrated7946 Před 9 měsíci

    The one I was interested the most was Shikamaru and how he would deal with it cause believe it or not he takes a more aggressive version of Tobirama, more so equivalent to Danzo canonically

  • @marko1263
    @marko1263 Před 9 měsíci

    All of them would resort to the massacre before ceding power to the Uchiha. Kakashi and Naruto canonically pretty much agreed with Danzo/Itachi once they learned the truth. Also, there would be no world war in the event of a coup, that was just Danzo's lie to manipulate Itachi.

  • @ParisDemers
    @ParisDemers Před 10 měsíci

    New vids let’s go!!

  • @jamesolson6544
    @jamesolson6544 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Cant believe you omitted lord 8th from this

    • @itsbeyxnd
      @itsbeyxnd Před 9 měsíci

      The ultimate lord but let’s be real bro would dick ride the uchiha to the grave if sasuke is involved

  • @hunterherndon8573
    @hunterherndon8573 Před 3 měsíci

    I think tobirama could probably tell obito is not madara and call his bluff

  • @erhiueQWEF
    @erhiueQWEF Před 9 měsíci

    How would the different Hokage handled the Hyuga Incident?

  • @Nubin2000
    @Nubin2000 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Tobirama: Uchiha Clan Massacre? It is what it is 😊

  • @orochimarupr
    @orochimarupr Před 10 měsíci +5

    In their prime Minato vs Shisui and Itachi vs Tobirama would of been too crazy

    • @ektran4205
      @ektran4205 Před 10 měsíci +4

      hashirama and minato would back the uchiha

    • @orochimarupr
      @orochimarupr Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@ektran4205 Madara and Shisui can handle them in a tough battle but eventually the leaf wins

    • @future7924
      @future7924 Před 9 měsíci

      @@ektran4205Nah, Minato and Hashirama are such bros, let’s be real. They’d likely figure something out.

  • @YuriNikolayavich
    @YuriNikolayavich Před 6 měsíci

    Tobirama should just build a wall ez lol😂

  • @joshfarrow9707
    @joshfarrow9707 Před 10 měsíci +1

    So first off the hokage is in charge not elders, We see this when Tsunade goes against the elders. Second tobirama isn't racists the definition doesn't work with the context. He is opposed the danger of a clan which isn't a race but a group of shinobi with Uniqueabilities. The political game change from each hokage so comparing tobirama Era with old man hiruzens doesn't work same goes with Tsunade and Naruto.

  • @dawaunhoskins3739
    @dawaunhoskins3739 Před 10 měsíci

    I would just save 30 kids and call it Day

  • @thehonoredone2361
    @thehonoredone2361 Před 10 měsíci +3

    When in doubt Uchihacist it out.

  • @BASEDFLASH
    @BASEDFLASH Před 9 měsíci

    I think you should make a theory on Sakura having Bipolar Disorder.
    She shows many signs of it probably be something to think about💯

    • @New_Horizons
      @New_Horizons  Před 9 měsíci

      She's not Bipolar.

    • @Richboyking
      @Richboyking Před 9 měsíci

      It was just a gag most of the times. The reason why we see inner sakura only once in shippuden was to show her growth a person It's not bipolar.

  • @joshfarrow9707
    @joshfarrow9707 Před 10 měsíci

    Another thing this video isn't long enough or detailed Enough

  • @tobioyelola7860
    @tobioyelola7860 Před 9 měsíci

    Bro was disrespectful to thundergod🥶

  • @flight_knight_
    @flight_knight_ Před 9 měsíci

    What about the Fugaku Minato dynamic? Also the Uchiha would have technically killed Kushina. I think Minato probably would end up doing the Massacre or Rebellion over a peaceful solution.

  • @CONINETOOREAL
    @CONINETOOREAL Před 10 měsíci

    Hiruzen on top

  • @raymondgraham6455
    @raymondgraham6455 Před 9 měsíci

    While I do agree Tobirama would be okay with the Uchiha massacre, Tobirama is very factual. I don't think he would treat the Uchiha as bad as people think. I believe he would note that Danzo was the one who told the Uchiha to stand down instead of helping. He doesn't like them, but no way in hell would he let the village get destroyed if the Uchiha could end it in a couple of minutes.

  • @RipVonGraves
    @RipVonGraves Před 9 měsíci

    Good show mate🖤 and if your sponsor is seeing this.. GENSHIN NEEDS DIALOGUE SKIP. Thank you

  • @jonathanhayhurst3928
    @jonathanhayhurst3928 Před 10 měsíci

    Someone should recreate the 7 Hokage vs 7 Uchiha video that Seth and Swag did years ago. Maybe update it to have Shikamaru?

    • @Akbar_and_Shaa
      @Akbar_and_Shaa Před 10 měsíci

      Wont be an update uchiha would still stomp

    • @Jochugumo
      @Jochugumo Před 10 měsíci

      Who would be the 8th Uchiha?

    • @jwall1646
      @jwall1646 Před 10 měsíci

      @@Jochugumo wouldn’t need one. Boruto content is close to none on this channel so no 8th Kage

    • @Akbar_and_Shaa
      @Akbar_and_Shaa Před 10 měsíci

      @hiirohebi wouldnt matter the arguments from the old video still support hokage losing unless the rules are changed again

    • @Williamjacob7789
      @Williamjacob7789 Před 9 měsíci

      Shikamaru wouldn’t make a difference. 😭

  • @dakotalange2858
    @dakotalange2858 Před 9 měsíci

    You forgot that Minato fought with Fugaku during the war so he would have a certain level trust and understanding with the Uchiha you really under wolf Minato 😒

  • @ektran4205
    @ektran4205 Před 10 měsíci

    if hashirama chose madara to be second hokage madara will probably persecute only tobirama

  • @temiadeyinka3675
    @temiadeyinka3675 Před 10 měsíci

    Yoo

  • @Youtubesuckscock
    @Youtubesuckscock Před 9 měsíci

    You're missing Shikimaru he's the current hokage in Boruto