Mad respect for you undergoing the ultimate task, definitely entertaining to hear your opinion on everyone. You get bonus points from me for putting some respect on Gaara
Definitely think Kakashi in the Pain Arc is Low Kage especially since Hidan is there. Kakashi managed to fight evenly with him while being attacked by Kakazu when he was weaker. Also, Suigetsu's feat against Bee I think is better than anything Sakura did at that point or at least equal, she shouldn't be a tier above him. I can't imagine 10 Karin's being able to beat him in a fight. Great list so far at 1:07:41 I think a final valley Sasuke vs young Kakashi would be interesting. Another thing I've seen for Kakashi is that you put him in the war arc below 7th gate Gai. The narrative and the way they fight together has always been that they are equals with Kakashi not being truly surpassed until the 8th gate. I'd again move him up one tier. Completely agree with everything you said about Tobirama and that was a character I was worried about.
The reason why punching Kaguya's horn off is a big deal is because Naruto landed a hit on Kaguya and it essentially did nothing to her physically. We know by this point in the series that character like Kaguya have a lot of durability. Sakura punched Kaguya hard enough to not only bypass her durability and genuinely hurt her, but it also cocked her head downwards it wasn't like she just brushed off the hit. I know a lot of youtubers either highball her or lowball her and I think you're underestimating her a bit. She also was able to keep pace with some of Kaguya's attacks and avoid them to an extent (before being rescued) so she also has to be decently fast as well. I'm not a lover of Sakura and I'm not a hater I really don't have an opinion on her but I do think the narrative Kishimoto was trying to set is that Sakura had gotten a LOT stronger by that point. Stronger than most of the other Leaf ninja. Idk I just don't think Kishimoto implied for her to be that weak. You can't tell me he wrote Sakura in that last fight with Kaguya thinking she was weaker than sage mode Naruto or kage summit Sasuke. I don't think she could defeat Itachi or Pain or anything on her own, but I definitely think she was implied to be a lot stronger than where you placed her.
nah dude,it's just kishimoto bullsh1t that he wants to do symbolism to show they are the new "sannin" like he did in like episodes 370something or so with them each showing their summonings,she is not near those 2 and kaguya was just ignoring her
@@xxxtimeghostxxx I didn’t say she was near Naruto or Sasuke in strength lol. Just that she was presented to have grown exponentially more powerful than she was previously and above definitely everyone else in the main cast aside from Naruto, Sasuke, and Kakashi.
Kaguya was off guard in that moment. Even though she had her byakugan active, you see there are exclamation points when Sakura hits her, meaning Kaguya wasn't paying her any attention, and rather, was a lot more worried about Naruto and Sasuke sealing her. The fact that Sakura has 0 scaling that even puts her REMOTELY on the level of Naruto and Sasuke at this point, or even any character past KCM2 Sage Mode Naruto should indicate it's simply an off guard feat. She got outsped by Kaguya's arms, couldn't react to Madara impaling her with a Truth Seeker Rod (while Naruto did react), and with her Byakugo active she has 0 scaling that would put her around the level of the Edo Hokage and KCM2 Sage Mode Naruto.
Kabuto is Demigod tier and EMS Sasuke is also Demigod tier. Sasuke was overwhelmed when he saw KCM2, his not God of Shinobi as he was getting Chakra amps from Jugo and KCM2 Naruto to keep pace with KCM2 sage mode Naruto. Kabuto fought Sasuke and Itachi, and was winning most of the fight. Sage Mode Kabuto is stronger than Alive Itachi, Pain and 6 tails Naruto. Tobirama low Demigod tier as he was able to keep pace with KCM Naruto, he has large scale Water style, intelligence, sealing and FTG. Tobirama defeated Izuna Uchiha who was said to be relative to MS Madara and was the fastest shin-obi of his time. Tobirama flexed his finger and EMS sasuke was on edge. Keep in mind this is after Sasuke already fought Kabuto. Lastly, KCM Edo Minato is God tier. He reacted to six gates guy in base, he has perfect sage mode, he has incredible chakra, mastery of FTG, barriers, and god tier sealing. His stronger than War Arc Obito and KCM2 Naruto, as his base form is who both characters get compared to, in terms of speed and teleportation. His in the same tier as Edo Madara as he would solo the verse and anyone below the God tier.
for being tossed aside in most powerscaling videos hidan is actually pretty impressive HM after the first exchange against chiriku, kakazu lets hidan fight him alone and hidan ends up winning, asuma also later admits that chiriku is stronger than him so that would confidently put hidan above asuma and he still successfully manages to activate the curse and could've killed him instead of stabbing his leg asuma was also backed up by shikamaru the whole encounter and for as crazy as he is, he is still aware of whats going on as he was still able to figure out how long shikamarus shadow possesion last
Seeing all these tier lists rly made me think. What if Oro had rly tried to win the chunin exams and entered the sound four into the tournament? Could be a cool vid imo. Also I rly enjoy ur vids cause u give different opinions on everything and I rly enjoy getting a different point of view.
I wonder where War Arc Ino would fit. She sucks at combat, but she had amazing feats during the war within her specialty. Possessing Obito twice and connecting everyone in the battlefield without help.
Hey, I got a video idea: What if Akatsuki members were to swap partners. Which hypothetical duo would stomp. What would be a cool duo that would have great synergy. Etc.
I think people get too caught up in the official rankings and try to use that as a proxy for power scaling. Ignoring the fact that Naruto’s Generation is wayyyy stronger than previous generations, that the leaf is the strongest meaning their standards are way higher and that rankings are not strictly based on power meaning ninja can be advanced or held back in the ranking despite their power like Shikamaru being the only one to make chunin despite being no where near the strongest genin. Nearly all of evidence shows the top tiers of the Genin are truly Jonin in combat ability but there’s more to bring a ninja than being strong so they remain genin
Finally, someone scaled Sakura properly, I can't believe how many ppl think she's 6 paths just because she punched Kaguya (even though Kaguya literally wasn't paying attention to her). Overall this tier list is probably the most accurate I've seen
Byakugan does not have 360 degrees as it says in the Manga. And the Sakura scalling part, I believe he scalled Sakura perfectly, as some people underrated her or overrate her. Adult Sakura scales between Mid Kage to High Kage max.
Disagree on Danzo at 1:27:06 Don’t know how you can hold having more endurance then kage summit Sasuke against danzo. Shouldn’t that up scale Danzo since that’s a state inherent to his abilities? For one, Sasuke has insane endurance. He was fighting the Gokage and pushed the majority of them to high diff while fighting conservatively. He used his mangekyo shairngan multiple times in his fight against Danzo and used up almost the entire life span, something we’ve never seen any other uchiha do. With a minor healing session with Karin, he goes on to fight kakashi high diff and then stalemate with fresh base naruto while almost console you blind. Danzo is a non uchiha with multiple sharingan and unstable hashirma cells. His chakra reserves were depleting insanely fast form the over reliance of izinagi. We know Danzo doesn’t like to use izinagi since he keeps it safe within his arm and doesn’t use it against the anbu he faces. So Danzo having more endurance then sasuke is consistent unless he’s spamming izinagi in which case it’s relative. Sasuke had a much bigger advantage in the fight. He could actually use his mangekyo and visual prowess, Danzo didn’t get the liberties of using his own until after the fight was over when he was gonna suicide anyway. This is essentially base Danzo as Hokage having to worry about “Madara” vs sasuke who can do what ever he wants. Izinagi is a much worse buff in the context of the fight since you lose a lot of chakra. Mangekyo blindness is irrelevant for a majority of the fight and is inherent to all mangekyo users. This ain’t going into lore and scaling trees with Kakashi, Hanzo, hiruzen, Itachi and other similar caliber ninja. Or the feats that Danzo can do that are much better then everyone in that tier. Or the narrative implications like how Danzo is Sasuke’s “pain” fight with Itachi or how he is gonna be the one to take down the 9 tails had he lived past that point. He beats everyone in the “kage” tier and beats a decent portion of people in the High kage spectrum.
Danzo is by far the most underrated character because he lacks flashy jutsu and cool design and is a scumbag. I've seen people put him at Jonin level lol. But he's actually insanely strong. Not many Kage level characters have offensive arsenal to force him into having Izanagi active at all times like MS Sasuke.
Tobirama edo or alive so better stats or with tandem paper in the same tier as old Hiruzen and chunin exams Orochimaru is crazy ,the guy hyped as the fastest of his era and troublesome by Madara who’s known for mocking sanin tier fighters as nothing while in a weaker state
Not a bad list. Zabuza states Haku is stronger than him though and it’s implied that Kakashi agrees, Haku is just under a mental nerf during the time we see him fight Naruto. Asuma was able to land hits on Kisame and was more a match for Hidan in hand to hand. He is high Jonin and stronger than Naurto and Sakura at start of Shippuden. Part 1 Kakashi and Guy should be peak Jonin they are both world renowned and move into low Kage by Shippuden. Dauri is able to swap hands with the gold silver brothers, a raged out Jugo casually and named a division captain during the war arc he is peak Jonin or low Kage. Yamato deff be top of high jonin, he’d be too much of a liability to watch Naruto otherwise even if he does have the ability to seal the Kyuubi. He appears to be a match for Kabuto and is part of the hokage private Anbu. Danzo guards should also be top of high jonin or low peak Jonin, they were able to tag and injure Obito even costing him an arm and hold him off for a pretty long time. Jiriya not having easy access to sage mode? He specializes in stealth and infiltration and was able to get it out against Pain with a Renningan he should be able to get it out Against anyone. He is totally confident he can kill Tsunade in pt1 and Kisame doesn’t even want to fight him at that point. Prime Sanin should all be high Kage with Orochimaru at the top, except for part 1 Tsunade as she was struggling with Kabuto 1v1. Jiriya with Sage mode could in theory beat pain with prior intel so bottom of low Demi-god. That’s something Sage Naruto with allies couldn’t do against a nerfed pain. Young Obito I’d actually put high kage, Minato was surpassing the 9 tails during Naurto birth and taken by surprise and protecting people he wrecked young Obito. Orange mask Obito I don’t see beating Pain or Itachi 1v1. He in fact stated he couldn’t move freely while Itachi was alive.
@@xxxtimeghostxxx True, but he would have effectively removed Pain from the battle in addition to Konan leaving Nagato's body undefended. It would have been a win all the same.
@@BigHeadClan That's assuming nagato is dumb enough to have all the bodies fall under his genjutsu, which he didn't, and even if he did, nagato had access to a morgue to create more bodies anyway
Iruka’s databook stats and mission record would indicate he is at least Chunin. I think our senses are warped by the Konoha 12 since almost all of them coming from special families and have more of a showing.
sasuke was not trying to kill dedira he wanted to capture him to find out where itachi was....also kirin doesnt use chalkra so he still had that to use if he needed to which i think that is what sasuke was refering to when he said he had a plan b on how to take him down... sasuke was a good match up for dedira but i dont think dedira was going to win in any capacity.... also sasuke ever since day one has alaway pulled more chalkra out his ass when he had "none" then passes out after which he did in this case also... i think the curse mark gives him that extra boost when he is low on chalkra doesnt it take in nature energy or something.
I loved the video but I do have some tales -I do believe hanzo, chiyo, and mifune are being underestimated they are all war veterans, hanzo was toying with the “prime” sannin, chiyo at her old age was able to contest with sasori, and mifune is stated to be relative to hanzo multiple times -I believe shippuden kakashi needs to move up a tier, and kakuzu down a tier, it is true that kakuzu lost a heart because of trick that shikamaru set up, but kakashi was practically 1v2ing kakuzu and hidan, the others besides shikamaru were fodder, kakashi constantly had to protect them, i just believe they belong in the same tier kakashi even stated he could take kakuzu out with kamui if he needed -I do believe that sasori, and shisui need to be in the high kage tier, Sasori is definitely stronger than deidara, I believe sasori is relative to orochimaru in many ways, he was stated to be able to do the same thing orochimaru was like u said take out a small nation, but the orochimaru u compared him too had “no arms” essentially, I just think sasori can beat any of the people in the kage tier and is more relative to the higher kage, especially compared to Kisame I think they need to be in the same tier -About shisui, I just think he was underestimated just a little, his eyes the entire show were a sought out item pretty much, it could be implied he had a susano since danzo was aware of what it was but never had seen it(this could also be said abt Itachi but listen listen), since shisui had the ms in both his eyes, if we compare how long it took sasuke to get access to his susano it would be easy to imply that shisui had on aswell, I just think he takes out anyone in the kage tier, he should atleast be somewhere around 5 kage summit sasuke a level -Sage kabuto-I do believe he is consistently downplayed just because of the izanami thing, I do believe nagato and Itachi are stronger but an entire tier over is crazy, I think he could go toe to toe with killer intent Edo Itachi if the time presented itself, especially with how Edo Itachi blatantly could not react to some of kabutos jutsu, Especially tayuyas(sage amped) genjutsu -I think Minato was downplayed just a lil, especially because of his new one shot we were able to see what he was capable of/potentially capable of whilst he was a jonin, if what kurama said had any merit I think his sage mode or kcm2 form could easily scale to reanimated hashirama and madara especially considering how easily he stomped 14yr obito This is all I had to say, I rlly appreciate u taking the time to make this, hope u see this comment
I agree with most of this, but as for shisui , i think shisui being kage tier is already enough ballancing what we know his eyes and statement say about him, with his garbage feats losing to danzo in ever itteration, to ballance that out kage level is more than enough, shisui does not have much going for him besides a few statements and AO fear him since atleast in the mist village he kinda had a flee on sight for that village, when you look in high kage, there are people like hiruzen whose recognized in ALL VILLAGE, everyone knows he is HIM and they are them, i dont think you can say that for shisui
Anything base Jirayia can do < SM Jirayia Odama rasengan (his strongest attack) < SM Naruto Odama rasengan < SM Naruto Rasenshuriken < KCM Naruto Rasenshuriken < A3 durability < A3 attack potency Yet A3 and base Jman are in the same tier.
On a normal scenario i woupd not have put ems sasuke ahead of kcm2 minato, but i guess around at the end there sasuke might have activated his perfect susanoo, with that he can match minato at equal power, but i think its a great ass fight as minato being able to teleport with a big ass kyubi avatar is still crazy, but that said i understand why ems sasuke is abive
@@xxxtimeghostxxx before madara kills them after the juubito fight, with edo minato kcm? Yea yea yea i think its a good fight minato has full kurama link mode with the kurama avatar, it was not stated sasuke had perfect susanoo fr but it was heavily implied remember that, if its perfect susanoo its a good fight because the avatar might rival it to begin with plus kcm buff all stats and stuff, idk if minato wins by that point 100%
Tobiramas FTG seal lasted on jubito for a very long time. Its not that tobirama cant mark many kunais & scatter them all over. Its just that tobirama is not dependent on FTG like minato. Minato dont just use FTG the way he does because he's good at it, but he also uses it because his Life Depends On It. Its just facts. 👍🙏
This shit doesn't matter, Tobirama could have easily been fatigued when he had to fight the Unit. He has a Flying Raijin mark in Konoha, there's only one explanation for why he didn't use it to save his team.
In my opinion, I think it's pretty clear that end of Shippuden Naruto is stronger than Sasuke, because during their final fight Sasuke was actually trying to kill Naruto, but Naruto himself was holding back. Other than that, I don't have that many objections to this tier list, that's just the biggest one personally.
@@xxxtimeghostxxx kisame fought the right tails, 7th guy destroyed kisame, and unless 6 tail Naruto is leagues ahead of full 8 tails then 7th guy beats 6 tail naruto
kisame is like the biggest counter to bee and guy is like the biggest counter to kisame,not to mention kisame was nerfed and didn't have samehada when he fought guy@@obi-wankenoli6073 what ur saying about guy stomping 6 tails doesn't seem wrong,i just wouldn't say it's a stomp in the slightest,and it's very debatable if guy can damage naruto in the 7 gate since pain couldn't damage him with giant boulders
also if bee knew what kisame did and just go full bijuu which he couldnt because he had to protect the master and the raccoon,kisame just dies to the bijuu bomb@@obi-wankenoli6073
well its difficult to do this but if sasori beats the strongest kazekage and has him as weapon then that is already high kage and ranking alll jinchurikis at low kage is mad they are definitely kage or high,bro strongest raikage is not just kage he is high kage,and any mangeyko sharingan is definitely high kage,again choji peak is definitely kage level,i like the low demi God category ,i was waiting to see how u scale itachi but u were very good,kudos overall
This guy has certain information wrong or omitted. This is from watching up to 10:41 of the video. The Naruto that fought Kiba in the chunin exam is weaker than the Naruto right before chunin exam started. This is because of Orochimaru using the sealing jutsu attack on Naruto which made him much harder for him to use chakra. Furthermore both Sasuke and Naruto just barely made it into that round and then had to fight as opposed to Kiba's team who were the second fastest in the exam so they had plenty of rest and at max power. The Naruto that fought in the land of waves arc with the nine tails is chunin level with the tailed beast. Honestly Naruto part is hard to judge because of Kurama and if he suddenly starts giving power to him, it changes up the power scale. Naruto makes a huge improvement in the land of waves arc with his chakra control. He basically fixes his biggest weakness.
Sakura in war arc would be on KCM naruto and EMS sassukes tier because in the 4th data book kishimoto states she is on the same strength or kcm and ems when she achieves her 100 healing seal.
It would be pretty generous to put Sakura at low Kage level but in all honesty, she can’t beat any of the characters in that tier so I would put her at peak Jonin. High speed regeneration can only carry so much. And she may have all the same abilities as Tsunade but not her lifetime of battlefield experience that puts her at Kage level
EMS Sasuke, who was fighting Juubito, was High Demi-God. I think you also underrated Rinnegan Obito. It was stated he was the equivalent of Edo-Rinnegan Madara. I think rinnegan Obito is god tier.
he is definetly not edo rinnegan madara's level cause obito himself said even just one rinnegan almost makes him go insane and he can't even use the rinnegan powers properly beause he will run out of chakra fast cause it's not his eye,madara can spam all that and unless sealed he's invincible.ems sasuke fought that obito alongside a naruto that was at least as strong as he was,sasuke is low demigod-to mid demigod at most at that point and mid is very very generous
Hanzo is the weirdest tbh. tsunade when she is fighting Kabuto mentions that even if she was in her prime he would give her trouble which means that when the sannin fought hanzo it is possible that was actually their prime, but then hanzo loses to Mifune because he lost his ninja way. Idk i feel like kishimoto did not know what to do with hanzo. Great list though the only thing i kind of disagree with is Hidan. I think he may be a little high. I know akatuski are all supposed to be kage level but i think based off how he did against asuma it may be a stretch.
Deidara is arrogant he wouldn't insult himself by lying that sasori is stronger than him, also it makes sense that he follows his order and try his best not to make him mad.
Great vid ,what’s ur opinion on naruto after returning to village in shippuden stating to iruka “I may even be stronger than you” and iruka replying with “don’t push it” and then iruka later restraining an early war arc sage naruto which should be stronger than pain ,not saying iruka is anywhere near pain or even pain arc naruto but I do think he should be above at least most of the chunin exam genin,again great vid bro
@@New_HorizonsThis is an old comment i copied & paste. So, some of what i say might not be relevant to your particular comment 🙏👍. I understand, i really do. However, the first time kin & gin attacked tobi & raikage, the manga clearly said, they launched surprised Attacks. The second time, he was with his team. An Unbias person would know that tobi being a teleporter would have teleported himself & team back home, just like minato did in the one shot when he teleported him self & jiraya, etc back home. But he was obviously fatigued & low on chakra. There is no FTG level 2,3,4,5 or six 🤣😂. Minato comes up with weird names. Please read up on it. FTG is FTG. It was, & still is an instantaneous teleportation jutsu. It was back then with tobi & still is & works the same way. Level two simply means two steps, process. Go read up on it 👍🙏. Minato was literally doing every thing that tobi can with FTG. Naruto, " you can copy my dad's move", Tobi, "" the 4th is using my move"" 🤣😂🤣😂. Dreamz, believe me when i say, I Love Minato alot. But the tobirama fight down gotta stop 😂🤣. The red barrier used in the war by hokages, as you can see is a jutsu the older hokages knew, shadow clones as well. Can you not see the consistent pattern of minato inheriting other peoples jutsu. Didn't kushina also taught him too? My point is everything we see minato do with FTG was originally used by Tobi many years ago. Hashi is worst than minato with body flicker, but yet hashi dont need FTG to beat raikage or bee or or the 50 ninjas, not 1000, but 50 ninjas. Its in the manga 👍🙏. Tobi has equal reaction & combat speed to hashi, as we saw in the part 1 hiruzen fight. So if hashi dont need FTG to beat younger obito, then tobi dont too. Minato needed FTG to dodge raikage, but Edo weakened madara easily reacted to KCM 2 Naruto & blitz him with his fan. This is hashi's rival. None off them, tobi, madara, or hashi dont need FTG. Its no wonder minato is always using it. Not only because he's good at it but also because his life depends on it. Its just facts. Raikage would have folded minato's face in if not for FTG. And his body flicker jutsu is basically jumping higher to cover more grounds/distance. His bflicker is so so so not useful to him that he always need to rely on FTG. Its just facts. Minato is really great. Great back story, design & personality. My top 10 character. But i am not gonna be bias. Dont forget kushina helped him back then & still is now. And tobi is a senju, so he has more chakra than minato.
@@New_HorizonsThis is an old comment i copied & paste. So, some of what i say might not be relevant to your particular comment 🙏👍. I understand, i really do. However, the first time kin & gin attacked tobi & raikage, the manga clearly said, they launched surprised Attacks. The second time, he was with his team. An Unbias person would know that tobi being a teleporter would have teleported himself & team back home, just like minato did in the one shot when he teleported him self & jiraya, etc back home. But he was obviously fatigued & low on chakra. There is no FTG level 2,3,4,5 or six 🤣😂. Minato comes up with weird names. Please read up on it. FTG is FTG. It was, & still is an instantaneous teleportation jutsu. It was back then with tobi & still is & works the same way. Level two simply means two steps, process. Go read up on it 👍🙏. Minato was literally doing every thing that tobi can with FTG. Naruto, " you can copy my dad's move", Tobi, "" the 4th is using my move"" 🤣😂🤣😂. Dreamz, believe me when i say, I Love Minato alot. But the tobirama fight down gotta stop 😂🤣. The red barrier used in the war by hokages, as you can see is a jutsu the older hokages knew, shadow clones as well. Can you not see the consistent pattern of minato inheriting other peoples jutsu. Didn't kushina also taught him too? My point is everything we see minato do with FTG was originally used by Tobi many years ago. Hashi is worst than minato with body flicker, but yet hashi dont need FTG to beat raikage or bee or or the 50 ninjas, not 1000, but 50 ninjas. Its in the manga 👍🙏. Tobi has equal reaction & combat speed to hashi, as we saw in the part 1 hiruzen fight. So if hashi dont need FTG to beat younger obito, then tobi dont too. Minato needed FTG to dodge raikage, but Edo weakened madara easily reacted to KCM 2 Naruto & blitz him with his fan. This is hashi's rival. None off them, tobi, madara, or hashi dont need FTG. Its no wonder minato is always using it. Not only because he's good at it but also because his life depends on it. Its just facts. Raikage would have folded minato's face in if not for FTG. And his body flicker jutsu is basically jumping higher to cover more grounds/distance. His bflicker is so so so not useful to him that he always need to rely on FTG. Its just facts. Minato is really great. Great back story, design & personality. My top 10 character. But i am not gonna be bias. Dont forget kushina helped him back then & still is now. And tobi is a senju, so he has more chakra than minato.
I agree war arc Sakura is kage level at best. I don't think she surpassed Tsunade as she had just unlocked the byakogou and Tsunade had years of experience using the technique and refining it which makes her stronger. She was basically still a Tsunade lite which makes her kage or even low kage level.
bro what 💀💀💀💀 she blitzed kaguya and has more chakra than half of a 6paths clone and has 2 statements stating she caught up AFTER the first statement saying she caught up to kcm 1 💀
@@momotheone9700 I partly agree. When taking into consideration that tobirama's combat & reaction & travel speed is on par with hashi, as we saw in the hiruzen fight. Madara acknowledging him to be fastest of ""Their"" generation. He can teleport. He can wipe out battle fields with or with out edo paper bombs. He is a senju. He has lots of chakra. He has been fighting the Uchiah's since a child. Was stated to be equal to Izuna, who was equal to then Madara. And being on par with hashi & madara in reaction & combat speed, alive tobirama can blitz people like raikage & his father, kcm 1 & 2 naruto, kisame, Minato ( with or with out sage mode ), etc, etc. Not forgetting, tobi fought an Ms user as a young man & beat him. 👍🙏
@@kelvinallen9327 tobirama cannot blitz minato, minato is shown and implied to be faster than him, plus body flicker can be used in combat else shisui would not be called shisui of the body flicker, and stop putting kisame as if he has any speed of not to even be compared here
@@kelvinallen9327 you show your true colours kelvin, that your a bias tobirama tard even though you dont wanna admit it. And all your arguments are all the same arguments debunked 2 years ago, tobirama being faster than madara is irrelevant since minato is also faster than madara since minato without a doubt is faster than hashirama, whether it be ftg, bodyflicker, combat, reaction, whatever bs classification you want to create minato is above hashirama~madara in speed, so tobirama being faster than madara does not mean hes faster than minato.
Kaguya fight of her punching her horn off is a good feat since in the manga, kaguya seems to notice sakura coming in to punch her but she couldent react fast enough to dodge the attack and she also had byakugan and when she punched her horn, she also bruiced her cheek which naruto could not do with his ton of punches he got in
DMS Obito is very, very, badly underrated!!! How come Obito DMS = 1 MS Obito (Tobi)?! Like WHAT?!?!?! That doesn't make any logical sense! DMS Obito is the strongest version of Obito (yes, more than his 10 Tails mode) and he's stronger than DMS Kakashi too (who is also underrated btw and i know everyone would agree) since he has Hashi cells and thus way more time than Kakashi + his own eyes. Both DMS Obito & Kakashi should deffo be put on the highest tier, they're top 10 strongest characters on the entire list due to being pure HAX and too BROKEN! - Sorry for all of this rant, i dont intend to sound mean or anything, just tryna fix it a bit since that was the biggest mistake imo. The rest is not bad tbh, although i would do some other minor changes here and there, like putting Hamura next to Hagoromo, cuz they're pretty close (i think in "The Last" Hamura is even stated to have surpassed Hagoromo but im not sure). Also, Edo Madara > EMS Madara due to Rinnegan + he wasn't a weaker Edo like the rest, Kabuto himself said: "Your reanimation is quite special, you're even greater than during your glory days". Overall, good job tho 👍
DMS Obito should be High Six Paths scaling off of DMS Kakashi. The only reason he didn’t use his full power is because he was practically dead at the time and had barely any chakra
@@New_Horizons Mainly because he had the 10 tails extracted and had his body used for rinne rebirth which both usually kill the person. Then had black zestu use his body and Obito had to use all of his chakra to resist black zetsu and get to the kamui dimension. Then he had to have Sakura attempt to destroy his rinnegan before Madara could get it because he had no chakra. Then he had his original eye replaced. I just think if he would’ve been at full chakra he’d be high six paths
suigetsu and asuma are obviously high jonin . Baki is likely there as well . haku is a strong chunin obviously its haku;s potential thats higher than zabuza. putting kimi over chiyo is ridiculous. jiraiya estimation of hanzo puts him as WAY higher than low kage. Yagura was a perfect host obviously too low. There is zero reason to think kisame is a tier higher than sasori or kakuzu he is just a superior matchup vs tailed beast hosts having high at the same tier as oonoki and muu is just insane. (muu CAN Change the weight of things how do you think he flies?) .i think all the super crazy tiers are just proof the series went bs mountain busting dbz bad so i mostly dont care with one exception 8th gate guy ccoudnt have beaten madara without help in opening the black orb shield id why people forget that, so he cant be that high.
8th gates DOES NOT even come close to hashirama.... hashirama would sht stomp 8th gate guy... madara was literally playing with guy.. and guy still got a ton of help...
the same with dms kakashi... wtf.. how dafuk does ems kakashi even comes close to defeating hashirama? he probably has like 2% chance lmao.... his perfect susano means nothing to hashirama... his kumui literally means nothing lmao.. easely dodged... he can literally force kakashi to use slip through would style and keep his slipping through it for 5 or more minutes until he cant use it anymore and its an easy win. stop overrating kamui. barelly did anything in teh series. and what it did was because it was completely carried by hashirama cells including not letting obito go blind and allowing him to literally spam it all teh time
Fantastic video, I agreed with every single ranking I think EXCEPT the Tobirama one. I think this is just plain wrong. To be able to support to that extent you have to be at least somewhat relative to your main fighters. He has a similar skillset as Minato, just a step weaker in almost everything. In the war his showing was much better than Minatos for a good portion too (when Minatos mind was clouded because of Obito being evil though). It just seems logical to me to rank him one rank lower than Minato. I rewatched the show (Anime this time) a few months ago and Tobiramas accomplishments in the war were just unreal. Again, fantastic video, but hard disagree on this one.
Actually when he flexes his chakra after being ressurrected as an edo EMS Sasuke got scared.. this rank for tobirama is bullshit, just imagine a sick itachi being able to compete with tobirama ffs..
Tobirama isn’t actually a step lower then minato as the only thing minato is better at is FTG tobirama had way more jutsu mastered then that which is why I believe he didn’t focus on that Plus tobirama didn’t have the good upbringing like minato did tobirama got it out the mud and training was done mostly in the battlefield instead on training field where he can hone all his jutsu
@@Noblesavage31 We also know Minato is better at the Body-Flicker, but that's about it. There is no way 6 Tail Naruto, Itachi and Pein are above Tobirama. Tobirama getting put near death by Kinkaku and Ginkaku in an Ambush when they had all the Sage Tools isn't an anti-feat. EMS Sasuke and Orochimaru sweat from Tobirama lifting a finger. Also, the point about Obito getting split in half doesn't really make sense, why wouldn't Tobirama abuse the ability to survive those attacks as an Edo? Tobirama could also use the Tandem Paper Bombs when he was alive, I don't know why people think he couldn't. Tobirama downplay goes crazy.
@@Xyro-- also , minato and hiruzen were both astonished by tobiramas reaction for me the correct hokage ranking is: Naruto six path Hashirama Tobirama Minato Hiruzen Kakashi Tsunade
I put alive rinnegan madara above alive final valley madara only because limbo was shown to be able to fight the bijuu, he also has rinnegan rods and sage energy which he took from hashirama, so while having a gap in power with kyubi, i think rinnegan revived madara got it covered in a fight.
@@New_HorizonsTobiramas FTG seal lasted on jubito for a very long time. Its not that tobirama cant mark many kunais & scatter them all over. Its just that tobirama is not DEPENDENT on FTG like minato. Minato dont just use FTG the way he does because he's good at it, but also because his Life Depends On It. Its just facts. 👍🙏
@@kelvinallen9327 garbage take, i guess thats why tobirama lost to kinkaku and ginkaku then since you know he does not need ftg right? Come on thats stupid, the way minato use ftg is in acordance to his fighting style, which surrounds quick movement and attacking at close range, also help his sealing jutsu as well, not just because his life depends on it. Tobirama was just stupid to not maximize the full potential of the flying thundergod, if he had he would have been alive, its either he was stupid, or he was just not able to master the ftg at the level minato did thats all
@@momotheone9700 I understand. I really do. However, tobirama's mastery of FTG is top tier. Just look at his performance in the war. Saying that tobi lost to kin & gin, with out mentioning that the same manga said, "" they launched surprised attacks"". Is bias. We dont know what happened. 👍🙏🤝. Secondly, if tobirama had enough chakra, dont you think he would have teleported himself, hiruzen, danzo, & the others back to the village. We saw minato did the same thing in his one shot. And we all know tobi got lots of chakra. So is it obvious, tobi was fatigued at the time & low on chakra? Come on now Momo, come on. This is why i defend tobirama. People just ignore what they want & zoom in on what they want. We saw Tobi used his so called inferior mastery of FTG to coordinate attacks with slow characters like Iruka, Kohonamaru, Ebisu, gennin shikamaru, Kankuro, sound four, etc, 😂🤣??? tobi wasn't fighting alongside kcm 1 daze minato or kcm naruto & sauske. He was some wheres else 😂🤣??. Daze kcm minato at times reacted to jubito, coordinate attacks & even out performed naruto & sauske at first. So daze kcm minato is way way superior to naruto & sauske at first. Tobi level of master with FTG, and his reaction & combat speed is so so so inferior?? That he was left out completely of the fight 😂🤣??And dont forget Tobi was a weakened edo, with no ninetails chakra, or Hagoromos chakra. 🙏👍. Much love & respect Momo 🙏👍
War acr kakashi should be high kage. He literally beats two version 2 cloaked jinchuriki controlled by obito with one shadow clone, kamui is busted, and his sharingan is so advanced he can react to and follow Obito, KCM naruto, and gated Gai.
@@New_Horizons Yeah I'd honestly drop the sound 4 down, as well as shikamaru a tier so He is next to kiba. Not like It matters tho, lol. Dope list anyway!
Taka Sasuke is both above and weaker than Hebi Sasuke. Taka Sasuke has hax but that doesn't make him stronger than Bee, and he loses his rapid regeneration and snake shedding. Because Sasuke isn't fused anymore he went into the fight with Bee injured.
in his sparring with itachi shisui took it serious but was not at max power or speed This checks out considering they didn’t use sharingan and shisuis speed scales far higher shisui had a 10 year ms experience gap on him so itachi getting ms doesn’t automatically make them relative the gap between them is lager than people think Shisui is not equal to young itachi They arguably don’t get relative until the edo version of itachi When itachi is not sick and also has ms for 10 years
Kabuto should be way higher than he is lmao. It was stated nobody in the series would’ve beat him 1 on 1 at that point. His L was also just walking out of his fight unscathed with a new mental. He’s got some of the best regeneration in the series, immune to almost all genjutsu, ftl speed, probably the widest arsenal of jutsu compared to anyone outside of ten tails hosts and rinnegan users, and both his iq and biq are better than most people in the series. Also just having reanimation as a jutsu which only 3 people total in the series can use is busted. Comparatively the people in his tier and the one above him are all just weaker than him. He should’ve got a better fight highlighting his capabilities instead of a little scuffle then getting hoed, but he’s really supposed to be him.
dont take statements for granted,it was also stated in part 1 hiruzen was stronger than hashirama and tobirama and somewhat implied than the 4th which we all know is not nearly true,it was also said kakshi had 1000 jutsus he only showed like 10 ? if that ?
@@xxxtimeghostxxx But Kakashi knowing 1000 jutsu isn’t out of touch with his abilities in the series. It could easily be accepted that he knows 1000 but does his same couple ones from each element because they are more effective or because he’s better at them. We’ve seen Sasuke use multiple types of fire jutsu throughout the series but he uses the standard fire ball jutsu more times than any other jutsu because it’s something he’s more proficient in. Hiruzen’s statement about him being so strong was all the way back in part 1. Kishimoto wrote the story and just decided to change the strength levels of Hashirama and Minato compared to what he originally intended them to be because he wrote them to have a more valuable role in the story and needed to power creep. It’s the same as Haku, Naruto, and Sasuke having light speed feats in the Land Of Waves arc but then reverting to sound speed in the Chunin Exams because Kishi must’ve thought they were too fast for how he wanted the fights in the story to go at that point. Kabuto’s statement was near the end of the series, there is nothing figurative about it and there would be no reason to “retcon” the level he was at or considered to be when the story ended in the next 100 chapters. It’s entirely different from statements like Hiruzen’s which was ancient, Kakashi’s which is still something that can be accepted, and characters like Kakazu’s which are misleading or figurative. Kabuto was blitzing Itachi and Sasuke individually and without one of them to cover the other’s back neither would be able to really harm him. Itachi was a reanimation so he could fight without much risk to him so Sasuke took more of a backseat to their fight because he wouldn’t be able to hang with Kabuto up close with a human body. Even if you think the statement is a little exaggerated, it just doesn’t make sense to think regular Nagato, regular Itachi, and regular Obito are competing with Perfect Sage Kabuto. At the very least he should be one tier higher with a case for one more as well.
ye i agree with all that but regarding your first comment,u can't say kabuto walked out of that unscaved and the L was just getting a new mental,u know they could've killed him both before and after he was in the izanami right ? itachi kept telling sasuke not to try and kill him,also who stated that nobody could 1v1 anybody at that point ? cause i don't remember@@skinnymelo
@@xxxtimeghostxxx I guess you’re right about them being able to kill him in the Izanami, I just didn’t remember if they mentioned doing that came with a risk of undoing the jutsu but I guess not. Itachi said he himself couldn’t beat Kabuto without the Izanami and the only reason it even has an effect on him in the first place is cause of Kabuto’s own mental. He also prompted Sasuke to stay back and back him up several times during the fight because he didn’t want him getting close to Kabuto. Either that was because he was trying to lay the steps for the Izanami, or because he knew Sasuke couldn’t keep up with Kabuto up close, or both, it’s up for interpretation really. But if there’s like one to two jutsu in the entire series that he loses to, he’s pretty unbeatable. Databook also said he’s “unbeatable against a singular opponent” and even though that’s an exaggeration, I don’t see an argument for why he doesn’t comfortably beat anyone in the series one on one atp except for Obito and Madara who had a rinnegan each. He at least beats anyone in his own tier in the vid comfortably imo.
Mifune is stated to be as strong as the 5 kage where you rank him is subjective but he deserves atleast low kage he is beating a good amount of people you placed above him
@ 1:00 (even though I hate boruto) I don't know about that ... Same series of series's, so why not...??? But loved the video , as always, you are awesome bro!
@@OddEyes1 Even if you think he's just a discount Minato (Which he's not) Putting him below Pein, 6 Tails Naruto and Itachi is wild. He scared Early EMS Sasuke by lifting a finger. Below Chunin Exams Orochimaru??? Tandem Paper Bomb alone puts him above all of the people I just listed.
@@Xyro-- that's fair, I think Tobirama vs Orochimaru base to base Tobirama wins. If you count Orochimaru's Edo tensei though then that's a different story.
@@Xyro-- How did he scare EMS Sasuke when the whole room had the same reaction? Btw, part 1 base Sasuke did the same to Kabuto and we don't say hes above Kabuto. All it means is that his chakra is powerful.
8 gates might guy and dms kakashi are the most overrated naruto characters of all time , they are for me demi god tier because any user who knows how to spam izanami and izanagi or reaper death seal is on that level ,because kakashi blitzes kaguya for a small time frame i dont see how he does this to shisui who teleports or minato or tobirama or raikages they vcan escape even might guy if he cannot defeat u with7 gates the fight is a draw,he was assisted buy sage mode minato,gara kage,kakashi kage level,and rock lee if not he will be toast madara was literally playing defense cause he was legit excited,i dont see how dat guy beats minato in fight or obito or itachi who has yata mirror and izanagi and izanami to spam in a match 2 the dead.Again guy beating kisame was cause he was the worst matchup for him and this was a legit kisame who had taken blows fought bee and unfused and after that he still had enough strength to be making water prison jutsus,why is that is cuz might guy was the worst match up for guy, i think he scales to ems sasuke or ems madara and edo itachi in his 8gates
Pain arc kakashi>hidan Mei >kage level Garaa pops used to stop the 1 tails when garaa lost control> kage level 3rd raikage tangled regularly with the 2nd strongest tailed beast> high kage
Part 1: Disagree most with the Genin tier. I'd probably put Choji in there but put all the sound ninja and Tenten and Hinata in the low Chunin tier, so only Ino Sakura and Choji would be in the Genin tier. I'd probably also put kid Kakashi in mid-Jonin tier. Other than that, awesome fucking tier list, I always respect your opinions greatly! Part 2: I'd put Sakura in Peak Jonin ngl. I also completely disagree with your Hidan placement, who I would put in High Jonin at best, remember he basically lost to Asuma. I'd probably also put Darui in Peak Jonin. I'd also likely put both Deidara and Sasori in Low Kage. Regarding the sand village in general, I'd honestly wouldn't put any kazekage above Peak Jonin except for Gaara. Being able to subdue Shukaku is not that impressive imo, since pretty much kid Naruto was able to do the same. The fact that Gaara was also like the sands' super weapon and that kid Naruto was able to do that also is one of a few things which kind of shows how weak the sand village is. Another one is, Deidara would have soloed the entire sand village if Gaara hadn't been there. Sasori is either stronger or very close to Deidara, and then loses to a member of the sand village and Sakura. Now, it is true that they were his counter and there were special circumstances, but I don't think it's enough to put him 3 whole tiers above Sakura. And even if Chiyo wasn't there when Deidara attacked, the fact that nobody else in the village was able to do anything against him should sort of go to show the skill of your average sand Jonin. In fact, what this might imply, is that Sakura could at least be considered close to Deidara level, which means you could argue she should be able to solo the Sand Village - Gaara. Now, while that would obviously be ridiculous, you could maybe at least say she should be as strong as 1/4th of the Sand Village - Gaara? 1/10th - Gaara? Either way, it's an unimpressive showing for the Sand Village, and an impressive one for Sakura. Another thing is that they are in the Leaf Village web of alliances at the start of the series. They are in that club along with a bunch of other minor villages, which kind of implies that this is a Leaf Hegemony, with a bunch of weaker villages essentially being their vassals. This is further strengthened by the fact that we see Baki and the Sand Village talk about how the armstice doesn't allow the Sand to have that many ninja. Finally, the Sand Village only got Shukaku among the tailed beasts which is kind of a joke. All of the other great nations got at least 2 except for Konoha who got the 9-tails who is by far the strongest. The fact that the 9-tails is by far the strongest also goes to show that Shukaku might be a good degree weaker than many other bijuu. Meanwhile, the fucking Waterfall village got the 7-tails. So yeah, that's my sand village spheal lol. Overall, I think the Sand Village is likely sort of a rump village created by the country of Wind, just so that they could have a village. Likely their more of an economic power, and just made it since the other great nations did, which is why I'd say their kages should not be considered Kage level, and why Baki is like their strongest Jonin and stuff. Either way, back to the tier list! The reason I'd put Kakuzu a tier above Sasori and Deidara is because he's killed his other Akatsuki partners just because he got pissed off at them. I see no reason why we should assume these partners were any weaker than Sasori and Deidara, since their pretty much at the average Akatsuki level. This means he might be able to kill them with impunity, which is pretty much the single best standard I'd set for putting someone in a tier above someone else ngl. I'd probably also put Base Guy in Peak Jonin and Shippuden Kakashi in Low Kage though I'm also iffy on those. But yeah, again, awesome tier list, always love your content!!
@@TheLuigiBrother77 Her 10 puppets can contest with Sasori. And she did raise Sasori after all. Sasori was surprised to learn that she had intended to bring his parents back, I think that really made him reflect on his evilness.
I’m interested in what you think about Hanzo, I don’t think I saw him in the tiers. I think Mifune should be at least low kage because of his relativity to him. He’s kinda depicted as his rival.
@@New_Horizons When taking into consideration that tobirama's combat & reaction & travel speed is on par with hashi, as we saw in the hiruzen fight. Madara acknowledging him to be fastest of ""Their"" generation. He can teleport. He can wipe out battle fields with or with out edo paper bombs. He is a senju. He has lots of chakra. He has been fighting the Uchiah's since a child. Was stated to be equal to Izuna, who was equal to then Madara. And being on par with hashi & madara in reaction & combat speed, alive tobirama can blitz people like raikage & his father, kcm 1 & 2 naruto, kisame, Minato ( with or with out sage mode ), etc, etc. Not forgetting, tobi fought an Ms user as a young man & beat him. 👍🙏
I think Shisui should be on Itachi level. He only lost to danzo because he was poisoned before his battle. I don’t think peak orochimaru could beat Shisui if he’s able to genjutsu EMS Sasuke/ MS Itachi and is faster than both of them.
Shisui>= base minato 1.shisui is 1/4 (tobiroma,raikage,minato,shisui) ninja fast enough to be feared specifically for their speed ever before shippuden Out of these 4 he has the title body flicker(until i see a manga panel saying otherwise i will say he earned the title for his speed ) 2.this logic is supported by shisui being stated in the novel to be the best bodyflicker ever by yoshiro who was in the 3rd war just like minato (All statements are true until proven false ) Solidifying shisui as the best bodyflicker ever before shippuden and a faster base bodyflicker than minato (Minato could be faster outside of base) Both raikage and tobirama themselves say base minato is faster Shisui>=minato>tobirama>=raikage Not including post war arc god type characters
in his sparring with itachi shisui took it serious but was not at max power or speed This checks out considering they didn’t use sharingan and shisuis speed scales far higher shisui had a 10 year ms experience gap on him so itachi getting ms doesn’t automatically make them relative the gap between them is lager than people think Shisui is not equal to young itachi They arguably don’t get relative until the edo version of itachi When itachi is healthy and also has ms for 10years
People scale Sakura super high because she landed that one blow on Kaguya. And Obito stated she had more chakra than a fatigued shadow clone of Naruto. 1. Naruto was attacking from the left and Sasuke was attacking from the right 2. The byakugan has a blind spot which was explained in part 1 looks oddly similar where Sakura attacked from 3. Kaguya was completely unaware of her presence as she was focused on the actually threats therefore she was not ready to brace for the attack/reinforce herself with chakra. 4. Ok, she was able to land a punch under very favorable circumstances what other feats does she have? She has pretty much the smallest justu pool in the series at this point only being able to use chakra control to punch hard but that's it, no speed feats or anything that would suggest she would even be able to touch a character like kcm1 Naruto. 5. Obito stated she had the bare minimum chakra with her Byakugou seal to allow him to travel through another dimension with his kamui. Once again its like so what?? Naruto has hundreds of shadow clones on the battlefield at that point fighting kaguya, also up into that point he was fighting a single war for days with no breaks, of course one of his clones divided hundred times is going to be low on chakra at this point. The Byakugou seal is a justu that utilizes storing vast amounts of chakra over an extended period of time. Sakura is using chakra that she has stored up for literal years and barley has more chakra than a fatigued 1/500 shadow clone of Naruto... Not really that impressive of a feat once you break it down.
@@kehkehd646 The amount of chakra she had was more than that shadow clone. However chakra amount/level is not the only way you scale the actually power of a character. For example part 1 Naruto had a substantial larger amount of chakra than Kakashi it was stated, Kakashi is still folding part 1 Naruto (talking about just in their bases btw)
pretty much everything besides hebi sasukes placement is good. hebi sasuke should be on the same tier as deidara at least because you talk about sasuke being a bad match up for deidara but deidara is just as bad for sasuke seeing as sasuke is primarily close to medium range and deidara is extremely long ranged. Also sasuke didnt use a lot of his abilities and at the end of the fight a majority of the damage done to him was self inflicted by the chidori to disarm the c4 bombs inside him.
He put Gai in the same tier as Kisame despite admitting Gai hard counters him. And he put Bee below Kisame even though he lost only because he got hard countered. But Sasuke does this same to Deidara (even if, as you say, Deidara also had many advantages) and suddenly he's a tier below? Kinda inconsistent.
there is something which people dont consider when scaling tail beast,kurama grows significantly stronger over them.the kurama madara used to fight hashirama was hypnotized and forced to fight , thats why in boruto there are techniques like baryon mode and when six paths showed them in a flashback they were smaall
yeah i agree but in the short time he is busted asf i keeping up even surpassing the likes of naruto and sasuke i think at least above 8th gate guy @@New_Horizons
Putting hidan above pain arc kakashi is a crime
Yeah, hidan is mad weak
Mad respect for you undergoing the ultimate task, definitely entertaining to hear your opinion on everyone. You get bonus points from me for putting some respect on Gaara
Hey guys he’s back from the dead! Jokes aside, it’s good to see you back!
@@Jon_Miller how did he get killed?
@@valburguener4280died of malnutrition while making this video...
Guy was holding back against kisame to get intel . That’s the only reason he survived if you read the manga
that was 30% chakra kisame, thats like saying naruto and kakashi at the start of shippuden are stronger than itachi
Definitely think Kakashi in the Pain Arc is Low Kage especially since Hidan is there. Kakashi managed to fight evenly with him while being attacked by Kakazu when he was weaker. Also, Suigetsu's feat against Bee I think is better than anything Sakura did at that point or at least equal, she shouldn't be a tier above him. I can't imagine 10 Karin's being able to beat him in a fight. Great list so far at 1:07:41 I think a final valley Sasuke vs young Kakashi would be interesting. Another thing I've seen for Kakashi is that you put him in the war arc below 7th gate Gai. The narrative and the way they fight together has always been that they are equals with Kakashi not being truly surpassed until the 8th gate. I'd again move him up one tier. Completely agree with everything you said about Tobirama and that was a character I was worried about.
The reason why punching Kaguya's horn off is a big deal is because Naruto landed a hit on Kaguya and it essentially did nothing to her physically. We know by this point in the series that character like Kaguya have a lot of durability. Sakura punched Kaguya hard enough to not only bypass her durability and genuinely hurt her, but it also cocked her head downwards it wasn't like she just brushed off the hit. I know a lot of youtubers either highball her or lowball her and I think you're underestimating her a bit. She also was able to keep pace with some of Kaguya's attacks and avoid them to an extent (before being rescued) so she also has to be decently fast as well. I'm not a lover of Sakura and I'm not a hater I really don't have an opinion on her but I do think the narrative Kishimoto was trying to set is that Sakura had gotten a LOT stronger by that point. Stronger than most of the other Leaf ninja. Idk I just don't think Kishimoto implied for her to be that weak. You can't tell me he wrote Sakura in that last fight with Kaguya thinking she was weaker than sage mode Naruto or kage summit Sasuke. I don't think she could defeat Itachi or Pain or anything on her own, but I definitely think she was implied to be a lot stronger than where you placed her.
nah dude,it's just kishimoto bullsh1t that he wants to do symbolism to show they are the new "sannin" like he did in like episodes 370something or so with them each showing their summonings,she is not near those 2 and kaguya was just ignoring her
kishimoto in the databook stated that she's equal to sasuke and naruto@@xxxtimeghostxxx
@@xxxtimeghostxxx I didn’t say she was near Naruto or Sasuke in strength lol. Just that she was presented to have grown exponentially more powerful than she was previously and above definitely everyone else in the main cast aside from Naruto, Sasuke, and Kakashi.
how was she shown to be mor epowerful than for example the characters he has in low demigod and above ?@@jakejax8032
Kaguya was off guard in that moment. Even though she had her byakugan active, you see there are exclamation points when Sakura hits her, meaning Kaguya wasn't paying her any attention, and rather, was a lot more worried about Naruto and Sasuke sealing her. The fact that Sakura has 0 scaling that even puts her REMOTELY on the level of Naruto and Sasuke at this point, or even any character past KCM2 Sage Mode Naruto should indicate it's simply an off guard feat. She got outsped by Kaguya's arms, couldn't react to Madara impaling her with a Truth Seeker Rod (while Naruto did react), and with her Byakugo active she has 0 scaling that would put her around the level of the Edo Hokage and KCM2 Sage Mode Naruto.
Kabuto is Demigod tier and EMS Sasuke is also Demigod tier. Sasuke was overwhelmed when he saw KCM2, his not God of Shinobi as he was getting Chakra amps from Jugo and KCM2 Naruto to keep pace with KCM2 sage mode Naruto.
Kabuto fought Sasuke and Itachi, and was winning most of the fight. Sage Mode Kabuto is stronger than Alive Itachi, Pain and 6 tails Naruto.
Tobirama low Demigod tier as he was able to keep pace with KCM Naruto, he has large scale Water style, intelligence, sealing and FTG. Tobirama defeated Izuna Uchiha who was said to be relative to MS Madara and was the fastest shin-obi of his time. Tobirama flexed his finger and EMS sasuke was on edge. Keep in mind this is after Sasuke already fought Kabuto.
Lastly, KCM Edo Minato is God tier. He reacted to six gates guy in base, he has perfect sage mode, he has incredible chakra, mastery of FTG, barriers, and god tier sealing. His stronger than War Arc Obito and KCM2 Naruto, as his base form is who both characters get compared to, in terms of speed and teleportation. His in the same tier as Edo Madara as he would solo the verse and anyone below the God tier.
6 gates guy > same one 30 PERCENT kisame clone barely lost to ?
hashirama > madara > tobirama > izuna, they are not relative
U realize ems sasuke and sick itachi r relative right
@@reignglory4180 nope
That’s exactly what I needed - a long ass video that will make me sleep quickly.
for being tossed aside in most powerscaling videos hidan is actually pretty impressive
HM after the first exchange against chiriku, kakazu lets hidan fight him alone and hidan ends up winning, asuma also later admits that chiriku is stronger than him so that would confidently put hidan above asuma and he still successfully manages to activate the curse and could've killed him instead of stabbing his leg
asuma was also backed up by shikamaru the whole encounter
and for as crazy as he is, he is still aware of whats going on as he was still able to figure out how long shikamarus shadow possesion last
Wasnt everyone that didnt have sage chakra support during the Juubito fight… At the very least, Tobirama is at the level of KCM1 Naruto
Nope tbh he actually stronger then nagato had he know what his abilities are
@@Noblesavage31that is an insane statement lmao Nagato would rip him in half.
I remember having a lot of fun with this tierlist, glad you decided to have a crack at it as well.
My man's back with another fire upload.
Awesome.
Love your content. Much repsect
Seeing all these tier lists rly made me think. What if Oro had rly tried to win the chunin exams and entered the sound four into the tournament? Could be a cool vid imo.
Also I rly enjoy ur vids cause u give different opinions on everything and I rly enjoy getting a different point of view.
This is actually a pretty accurate list I think. Fun to watch too
I wonder where War Arc Ino would fit. She sucks at combat, but she had amazing feats during the war within her specialty. Possessing Obito twice and connecting everyone in the battlefield without help.
Hey, I got a video idea: What if Akatsuki members were to swap partners. Which hypothetical duo would stomp. What would be a cool duo that would have great synergy. Etc.
I think people get too caught up in the official rankings and try to use that as a proxy for power scaling. Ignoring the fact that Naruto’s Generation is wayyyy stronger than previous generations, that the leaf is the strongest meaning their standards are way higher and that rankings are not strictly based on power meaning ninja can be advanced or held back in the ranking despite their power like Shikamaru being the only one to make chunin despite being no where near the strongest genin.
Nearly all of evidence shows the top tiers of the Genin are truly Jonin in combat ability but there’s more to bring a ninja than being strong so they remain genin
Great video and very accurate tier list. 👍🏿A bit of advice, add background music next time to the video
Finally, someone scaled Sakura properly, I can't believe how many ppl think she's 6 paths just because she punched Kaguya (even though Kaguya literally wasn't paying attention to her). Overall this tier list is probably the most accurate I've seen
Not paying attention bro she has the bakuugan
Byakugan does not have 360 degrees as it says in the Manga. And the Sakura scalling part, I believe he scalled Sakura perfectly, as some people underrated her or overrate her. Adult Sakura scales between Mid Kage to High Kage max.
really excited for this
Ranking Obito with both of his eyes on the same tier as obito as only one of his eyes..hmm makes sense
Disagree on Danzo at 1:27:06
Don’t know how you can hold having more endurance then kage summit Sasuke against danzo. Shouldn’t that up scale Danzo since that’s a state inherent to his abilities?
For one, Sasuke has insane endurance. He was fighting the Gokage and pushed the majority of them to high diff while fighting conservatively. He used his mangekyo shairngan multiple times in his fight against Danzo and used up almost the entire life span, something we’ve never seen any other uchiha do. With a minor healing session with Karin, he goes on to fight kakashi high diff and then stalemate with fresh base naruto while almost console you blind.
Danzo is a non uchiha with multiple sharingan and unstable hashirma cells. His chakra reserves were depleting insanely fast form the over reliance of izinagi.
We know Danzo doesn’t like to use izinagi since he keeps it safe within his arm and doesn’t use it against the anbu he faces. So Danzo having more endurance then sasuke is consistent unless he’s spamming izinagi in which case it’s relative.
Sasuke had a much bigger advantage in the fight. He could actually use his mangekyo and visual prowess, Danzo didn’t get the liberties of using his own until after the fight was over when he was gonna suicide anyway. This is essentially base Danzo as Hokage having to worry about “Madara” vs sasuke who can do what ever he wants. Izinagi is a much worse buff in the context of the fight since you lose a lot of chakra. Mangekyo blindness is irrelevant for a majority of the fight and is inherent to all mangekyo users.
This ain’t going into lore and scaling trees with Kakashi, Hanzo, hiruzen, Itachi and other similar caliber ninja.
Or the feats that Danzo can do that are much better then everyone in that tier.
Or the narrative implications like how Danzo is Sasuke’s “pain” fight with Itachi or how he is gonna be the one to take down the 9 tails had he lived past that point.
He beats everyone in the “kage” tier and beats a decent portion of people in the High kage spectrum.
Danzo is by far the most underrated character because he lacks flashy jutsu and cool design and is a scumbag. I've seen people put him at Jonin level lol. But he's actually insanely strong. Not many Kage level characters have offensive arsenal to force him into having Izanagi active at all times like MS Sasuke.
@@marko1263 agreed
Ngl bro the placement of the raikages and bee has me in shock😭
Tobirama edo or alive so better stats or with tandem paper in the same tier as old Hiruzen and chunin exams Orochimaru is crazy ,the guy hyped as the fastest of his era and troublesome by Madara who’s known for mocking sanin tier fighters as nothing while in a weaker state
Not a bad list.
Zabuza states Haku is stronger than him though and it’s implied that Kakashi agrees, Haku is just under a mental nerf during the time we see him fight Naruto.
Asuma was able to land hits on Kisame and was more a match for Hidan in hand to hand. He is high Jonin and stronger than Naurto and Sakura at start of Shippuden.
Part 1 Kakashi and Guy should be peak Jonin they are both world renowned and move into low Kage by Shippuden.
Dauri is able to swap hands with the gold silver brothers, a raged out Jugo casually and named a division captain during the war arc he is peak Jonin or low Kage.
Yamato deff be top of high jonin, he’d be too much of a liability to watch Naruto otherwise even if he does have the ability to seal the Kyuubi. He appears to be a match for Kabuto and is part of the hokage private Anbu.
Danzo guards should also be top of high jonin or low peak Jonin, they were able to tag and injure Obito even costing him an arm and hold him off for a pretty long time.
Jiriya not having easy access to sage mode? He specializes in stealth and infiltration and was able to get it out against Pain with a Renningan he should be able to get it out
Against anyone. He is totally confident he can kill Tsunade in pt1 and Kisame doesn’t even want to fight him at that point.
Prime Sanin should all be high Kage with Orochimaru at the top, except for part 1 Tsunade as she was struggling with Kabuto 1v1.
Jiriya with Sage mode could in theory beat pain with prior intel so bottom of low Demi-god. That’s something Sage Naruto with allies couldn’t do against a nerfed pain.
Young Obito I’d actually put high kage, Minato was surpassing the 9 tails during Naurto birth and taken by surprise and protecting people he wrecked young Obito.
Orange mask Obito I don’t see beating Pain or Itachi 1v1. He in fact stated he couldn’t move freely while Itachi was alive.
even if he puts all 6 paths into genjutsu nagato himself won't be affected
@@xxxtimeghostxxx True, but he would have effectively removed Pain from the battle in addition to Konan leaving Nagato's body undefended.
It would have been a win all the same.
@@BigHeadClan That's assuming nagato is dumb enough to have all the bodies fall under his genjutsu, which he didn't, and even if he did, nagato had access to a morgue to create more bodies anyway
Ebisu is High Chunin at best. He is only a Special Jonin because of his teaching prowess.
Iruka’s databook stats and mission record would indicate he is at least Chunin. I think our senses are warped by the Konoha 12 since almost all of them coming from special families and have more of a showing.
A 2 hour video! Thank You 😎
Yamato is literally the best of ANBU. He is at at least Elite Jonin. Same with Asuma. They both have great databook stats. Better than Zabuza even.
sasuke was not trying to kill dedira he wanted to capture him to find out where itachi was....also kirin doesnt use chalkra so he still had that to use if he needed to which i think that is what sasuke was refering to when he said he had a plan b on how to take him down... sasuke was a good match up for dedira but i dont think dedira was going to win in any capacity.... also sasuke ever since day one has alaway pulled more chalkra out his ass when he had "none" then passes out after which he did in this case also... i think the curse mark gives him that extra boost when he is low on chalkra doesnt it take in nature energy or something.
Sakura has Kaguya feats, any character in the less the Demi God wouldn’t even be able to touch Kaguyas hair.
Before I watch the video: Godspeed to you
I loved the video but I do have some tales
-I do believe hanzo, chiyo, and mifune are being underestimated they are all war veterans, hanzo was toying with the “prime” sannin, chiyo at her old age was able to contest with sasori, and mifune is stated to be relative to hanzo multiple times
-I believe shippuden kakashi needs to move up a tier, and kakuzu down a tier, it is true that kakuzu lost a heart because of trick that shikamaru set up, but kakashi was practically 1v2ing kakuzu and hidan, the others besides shikamaru were fodder, kakashi constantly had to protect them, i just believe they belong in the same tier kakashi even stated he could take kakuzu out with kamui if he needed
-I do believe that sasori, and shisui need to be in the high kage tier, Sasori is definitely stronger than deidara, I believe sasori is relative to orochimaru in many ways, he was stated to be able to do the same thing orochimaru was like u said take out a small nation, but the orochimaru u compared him too had “no arms” essentially, I just think sasori can beat any of the people in the kage tier and is more relative to the higher kage, especially compared to Kisame I think they need to be in the same tier
-About shisui, I just think he was underestimated just a little, his eyes the entire show were a sought out item pretty much, it could be implied he had a susano since danzo was aware of what it was but never had seen it(this could also be said abt Itachi but listen listen), since shisui had the ms in both his eyes, if we compare how long it took sasuke to get access to his susano it would be easy to imply that shisui had on aswell, I just think he takes out anyone in the kage tier, he should atleast be somewhere around 5 kage summit sasuke a level
-Sage kabuto-I do believe he is consistently downplayed just because of the izanami thing, I do believe nagato and Itachi are stronger but an entire tier over is crazy, I think he could go toe to toe with killer intent Edo Itachi if the time presented itself, especially with how Edo Itachi blatantly could not react to some of kabutos jutsu, Especially tayuyas(sage amped) genjutsu
-I think Minato was downplayed just a lil, especially because of his new one shot we were able to see what he was capable of/potentially capable of whilst he was a jonin, if what kurama said had any merit I think his sage mode or kcm2 form could easily scale to reanimated hashirama and madara especially considering how easily he stomped 14yr obito
This is all I had to say, I rlly appreciate u taking the time to make this, hope u see this comment
I agree with most of this, but as for shisui , i think shisui being kage tier is already enough ballancing what we know his eyes and statement say about him, with his garbage feats losing to danzo in ever itteration, to ballance that out kage level is more than enough, shisui does not have much going for him besides a few statements and AO fear him since atleast in the mist village he kinda had a flee on sight for that village, when you look in high kage, there are people like hiruzen whose recognized in ALL VILLAGE, everyone knows he is HIM and they are them, i dont think you can say that for shisui
I understand that, it’s just the susano was so powerful, but I he what ur saying
Anything base Jirayia can do < SM Jirayia Odama rasengan (his strongest attack) < SM Naruto Odama rasengan < SM Naruto Rasenshuriken < KCM Naruto Rasenshuriken < A3 durability < A3 attack potency
Yet A3 and base Jman are in the same tier.
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On a normal scenario i woupd not have put ems sasuke ahead of kcm2 minato, but i guess around at the end there sasuke might have activated his perfect susanoo, with that he can match minato at equal power, but i think its a great ass fight as minato being able to teleport with a big ass kyubi avatar is still crazy, but that said i understand why ems sasuke is abive
how can eos ems sasuke and kcm 2 minato even compare ? how does that minato break the perfect susanoo ?
@@xxxtimeghostxxx eos ems sasuke has rinnegan obviously he stomps minato, im talking about juubito fight
@@momotheone9700 at that point ems prob has it too,im talking before madara kills them
@@xxxtimeghostxxx before madara kills them after the juubito fight, with edo minato kcm? Yea yea yea i think its a good fight minato has full kurama link mode with the kurama avatar, it was not stated sasuke had perfect susanoo fr but it was heavily implied remember that, if its perfect susanoo its a good fight because the avatar might rival it to begin with plus kcm buff all stats and stuff, idk if minato wins by that point 100%
Tobiramas FTG seal lasted on jubito for a very long time. Its not that tobirama cant mark many kunais & scatter them all over. Its just that tobirama is not dependent on FTG like minato. Minato dont just use FTG the way he does because he's good at it, but he also uses it because his Life Depends On It. Its just facts. 👍🙏
"Once we see low kage tier, it'll start to make sense." He proceeds to put a man without arms, kimaro, and hidans bum ass in the tier
armless orochimaru is definetly still kage,so is hidan even though bottom tier kage,kimimaro yeah i agree
Huh? No version of Orochimaru would steep as low as jonin level even when he's nerfed and armless. The disrespect lol.
Haku is a boy.
Yoo can you do a video on how each hokage handles the uchiha massacre
Great video idea
Tobirama loses to Kingaku and Ginkaku Squad, there were about 30 people there btw.
At the kage summit it was just those two that brought him to the brink of death.
@@New_Horizons It was an ambush
This shit doesn't matter, Tobirama could have easily been fatigued when he had to fight the Unit. He has a Flying Raijin mark in Konoha, there's only one explanation for why he didn't use it to save his team.
@@New_Horizons
Yeah, and it's stated multiple times that they surprise attacked him.
@@New_Horizonsambush and I’m sure it was the unit that bushed them, plus they killed him later when he was alone to hold them off
In my opinion, I think it's pretty clear that end of Shippuden Naruto is stronger than Sasuke, because during their final fight Sasuke was actually trying to kill Naruto, but Naruto himself was holding back. Other than that, I don't have that many objections to this tier list, that's just the biggest one personally.
not to mention naruto didnt have kurama inside himself just half of it and sasuke was amped by using the chakra of the 9 tailed beasts
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I think 7th gate guy absolutely stomps 6 tail v2 Naruto, same thing with tobirama
interesting
@@xxxtimeghostxxx kisame fought the right tails, 7th guy destroyed kisame, and unless 6 tail Naruto is leagues ahead of full 8 tails then 7th guy beats 6 tail naruto
kisame is like the biggest counter to bee and guy is like the biggest counter to kisame,not to mention kisame was nerfed and didn't have samehada when he fought guy@@obi-wankenoli6073 what ur saying about guy stomping 6 tails doesn't seem wrong,i just wouldn't say it's a stomp in the slightest,and it's very debatable if guy can damage naruto in the 7 gate since pain couldn't damage him with giant boulders
also if bee knew what kisame did and just go full bijuu which he couldnt because he had to protect the master and the raccoon,kisame just dies to the bijuu bomb@@obi-wankenoli6073
I think the Sound Four should be Low Jonin or even Jonin (for the strongest 2) with stage 2 of their curse mark.
well its difficult to do this but if sasori beats the strongest kazekage and has him as weapon then that is already high kage
and ranking alll jinchurikis at low kage is mad they are definitely kage or high,bro strongest raikage is not just kage he is high kage,and any mangeyko sharingan is definitely high kage,again choji peak is definitely kage level,i like the low demi God category ,i was waiting to see how u scale itachi but u were very good,kudos overall
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I have no idea how ppl scale Boruto and Naruto together. Everything is so inconsistent and the statements don’t match what’s shown
Good list, glad to see you didn't put Sakura above kcm2 Naruto...
This guy has certain information wrong or omitted. This is from watching up to 10:41 of the video. The Naruto that fought Kiba in the chunin exam is weaker than the Naruto right before chunin exam started. This is because of Orochimaru using the sealing jutsu attack on Naruto which made him much harder for him to use chakra. Furthermore both Sasuke and Naruto just barely made it into that round and then had to fight as opposed to Kiba's team who were the second fastest in the exam so they had plenty of rest and at max power. The Naruto that fought in the land of waves arc with the nine tails is chunin level with the tailed beast. Honestly Naruto part is hard to judge because of Kurama and if he suddenly starts giving power to him, it changes up the power scale. Naruto makes a huge improvement in the land of waves arc with his chakra control. He basically fixes his biggest weakness.
Sakura in war arc would be on KCM naruto and EMS sassukes tier because in the 4th data book kishimoto states she is on the same strength or kcm and ems when she achieves her 100 healing seal.
you are beyond delusional
It would be pretty generous to put Sakura at low Kage level but in all honesty, she can’t beat any of the characters in that tier so I would put her at peak Jonin. High speed regeneration can only carry so much. And she may have all the same abilities as Tsunade but not her lifetime of battlefield experience that puts her at Kage level
Pain Arc Kakashi gotta be low kage
EMS Sasuke, who was fighting Juubito, was High Demi-God.
I think you also underrated Rinnegan Obito. It was stated he was the equivalent of Edo-Rinnegan Madara. I think rinnegan Obito is god tier.
he is definetly not edo rinnegan madara's level cause obito himself said even just one rinnegan almost makes him go insane and he can't even use the rinnegan powers properly beause he will run out of chakra fast cause it's not his eye,madara can spam all that and unless sealed he's invincible.ems sasuke fought that obito alongside a naruto that was at least as strong as he was,sasuke is low demigod-to mid demigod at most at that point and mid is very very generous
I like the fact you didn't do the tierlist randomly like more Naruto youtubers would, tou started from the bottom as you should.
Hanzo is the weirdest tbh. tsunade when she is fighting Kabuto mentions that even if she was in her prime he would give her trouble which means that when the sannin fought hanzo it is possible that was actually their prime, but then hanzo loses to Mifune because he lost his ninja way. Idk i feel like kishimoto did not know what to do with hanzo. Great list though the only thing i kind of disagree with is Hidan. I think he may be a little high. I know akatuski are all supposed to be kage level but i think based off how he did against asuma it may be a stretch.
Very well put together video with valid explanations across the board!
Deidara is arrogant he wouldn't insult himself by lying that sasori is stronger than him, also it makes sense that he follows his order and try his best not to make him mad.
Great vid ,what’s ur opinion on naruto after returning to village in shippuden stating to iruka “I may even be stronger than you” and iruka replying with “don’t push it” and then iruka later restraining an early war arc sage naruto which should be stronger than pain ,not saying iruka is anywhere near pain or even pain arc naruto but I do think he should be above at least most of the chunin exam genin,again great vid bro
He didn't successfully restrain him. He has the potential to be a top chunin, but since we don't see it I had to place him as low as possible.
@@New_HorizonsThis is an old comment i copied & paste. So, some of what i say might not be relevant to your particular comment 🙏👍. I understand, i really do. However, the first time kin & gin attacked tobi & raikage, the manga clearly said, they launched surprised Attacks. The second time, he was with his team. An Unbias person would know that tobi being a teleporter would have teleported himself & team back home, just like minato did in the one shot when he teleported him self & jiraya, etc back home. But he was obviously fatigued & low on chakra. There is no FTG level 2,3,4,5 or six 🤣😂. Minato comes up with weird names. Please read up on it. FTG is FTG. It was, & still is an instantaneous teleportation jutsu. It was back then with tobi & still is & works the same way. Level two simply means two steps, process. Go read up on it 👍🙏. Minato was literally doing every thing that tobi can with FTG. Naruto, " you can copy my dad's move", Tobi, "" the 4th is using my move"" 🤣😂🤣😂. Dreamz, believe me when i say, I Love Minato alot. But the tobirama fight down gotta stop 😂🤣. The red barrier used in the war by hokages, as you can see is a jutsu the older hokages knew, shadow clones as well. Can you not see the consistent pattern of minato inheriting other peoples jutsu. Didn't kushina also taught him too? My point is everything we see minato do with FTG was originally used by Tobi many years ago.
Hashi is worst than minato with body flicker, but yet hashi dont need FTG to beat raikage or bee or or the 50 ninjas, not 1000, but 50 ninjas. Its in the manga 👍🙏. Tobi has equal reaction & combat speed to hashi, as we saw in the part 1 hiruzen fight. So if hashi dont need FTG to beat younger obito, then tobi dont too. Minato needed FTG to dodge raikage, but Edo weakened madara easily reacted to KCM 2 Naruto & blitz him with his fan. This is hashi's rival. None off them, tobi, madara, or hashi dont need FTG. Its no wonder minato is always using it. Not only because he's good at it but also because his life depends on it. Its just facts. Raikage would have folded minato's face in if not for FTG. And his body flicker jutsu is basically jumping higher to cover more grounds/distance. His bflicker is so so so not useful to him that he always need to rely on FTG. Its just facts. Minato is really great. Great back story, design & personality. My top 10 character. But i am not gonna be bias. Dont forget kushina helped him back then & still is now. And tobi is a senju, so he has more chakra than minato.
@@New_HorizonsThis is an old comment i copied & paste. So, some of what i say might not be relevant to your particular comment 🙏👍. I understand, i really do. However, the first time kin & gin attacked tobi & raikage, the manga clearly said, they launched surprised Attacks. The second time, he was with his team. An Unbias person would know that tobi being a teleporter would have teleported himself & team back home, just like minato did in the one shot when he teleported him self & jiraya, etc back home. But he was obviously fatigued & low on chakra. There is no FTG level 2,3,4,5 or six 🤣😂. Minato comes up with weird names. Please read up on it. FTG is FTG. It was, & still is an instantaneous teleportation jutsu. It was back then with tobi & still is & works the same way. Level two simply means two steps, process. Go read up on it 👍🙏. Minato was literally doing every thing that tobi can with FTG. Naruto, " you can copy my dad's move", Tobi, "" the 4th is using my move"" 🤣😂🤣😂. Dreamz, believe me when i say, I Love Minato alot. But the tobirama fight down gotta stop 😂🤣. The red barrier used in the war by hokages, as you can see is a jutsu the older hokages knew, shadow clones as well. Can you not see the consistent pattern of minato inheriting other peoples jutsu. Didn't kushina also taught him too? My point is everything we see minato do with FTG was originally used by Tobi many years ago.
Hashi is worst than minato with body flicker, but yet hashi dont need FTG to beat raikage or bee or or the 50 ninjas, not 1000, but 50 ninjas. Its in the manga 👍🙏. Tobi has equal reaction & combat speed to hashi, as we saw in the part 1 hiruzen fight. So if hashi dont need FTG to beat younger obito, then tobi dont too. Minato needed FTG to dodge raikage, but Edo weakened madara easily reacted to KCM 2 Naruto & blitz him with his fan. This is hashi's rival. None off them, tobi, madara, or hashi dont need FTG. Its no wonder minato is always using it. Not only because he's good at it but also because his life depends on it. Its just facts. Raikage would have folded minato's face in if not for FTG. And his body flicker jutsu is basically jumping higher to cover more grounds/distance. His bflicker is so so so not useful to him that he always need to rely on FTG. Its just facts. Minato is really great. Great back story, design & personality. My top 10 character. But i am not gonna be bias. Dont forget kushina helped him back then & still is now. And tobi is a senju, so he has more chakra than minato.
I agree war arc Sakura is kage level at best. I don't think she surpassed Tsunade as she had just unlocked the byakogou and Tsunade had years of experience using the technique and refining it which makes her stronger. She was basically still a Tsunade lite which makes her kage or even low kage level.
She definitely surpassed tsunade, yes tsunade had more experience but the feats sakura had dwarfed tsunade feats
bro what 💀💀💀💀 she blitzed kaguya and has more chakra than half of a 6paths clone and has 2 statements stating she caught up AFTER the first statement saying she caught up to kcm 1 💀
@@D-MAZE"she blitzed Kaguya" lmao ok buddy
@junior523 she literally punched her horn off, a horn is bone btw
Kidomaru does state that if he took a direct hit from Neji's 128 palms technique it would be over for him.
Agreed on Tobirama points but I still think he should've made it to Low Demigod
Yeah he should be low demi god i think thats fine he should not be that low in high kage
@@momotheone9700 I partly agree. When taking into consideration that tobirama's combat & reaction & travel speed is on par with hashi, as we saw in the hiruzen fight.
Madara acknowledging him to be fastest of ""Their"" generation. He can teleport. He can wipe out battle fields with or with out edo paper bombs. He is a senju. He has lots of chakra. He has been fighting the Uchiah's since a child. Was stated to be equal to Izuna, who was equal to then Madara.
And being on par with hashi & madara in reaction & combat speed, alive tobirama can blitz people like raikage & his father, kcm 1 & 2 naruto, kisame, Minato ( with or with out sage mode ), etc, etc. Not forgetting, tobi fought an Ms user as a young man & beat him. 👍🙏
@@kelvinallen9327 tobirama cannot blitz minato, minato is shown and implied to be faster than him, plus body flicker can be used in combat else shisui would not be called shisui of the body flicker, and stop putting kisame as if he has any speed of not to even be compared here
@@kelvinallen9327 you show your true colours kelvin, that your a bias tobirama tard even though you dont wanna admit it. And all your arguments are all the same arguments debunked 2 years ago, tobirama being faster than madara is irrelevant since minato is also faster than madara since minato without a doubt is faster than hashirama, whether it be ftg, bodyflicker, combat, reaction, whatever bs classification you want to create minato is above hashirama~madara in speed, so tobirama being faster than madara does not mean hes faster than minato.
Kaguya fight of her punching her horn off is a good feat since in the manga, kaguya seems to notice sakura coming in to punch her but she couldent react fast enough to dodge the attack and she also had byakugan and when she punched her horn, she also bruiced her cheek which naruto could not do with his ton of punches he got in
DMS Obito is very, very, badly underrated!!! How come Obito DMS = 1 MS Obito (Tobi)?! Like WHAT?!?!?! That doesn't make any logical sense! DMS Obito is the strongest version of Obito (yes, more than his 10 Tails mode) and he's stronger than DMS Kakashi too (who is also underrated btw and i know everyone would agree) since he has Hashi cells and thus way more time than Kakashi + his own eyes. Both DMS Obito & Kakashi should deffo be put on the highest tier, they're top 10 strongest characters on the entire list due to being pure HAX and too BROKEN!
- Sorry for all of this rant, i dont intend to sound mean or anything, just tryna fix it a bit since that was the biggest mistake imo. The rest is not bad tbh, although i would do some other minor changes here and there, like putting Hamura next to Hagoromo, cuz they're pretty close (i think in "The Last" Hamura is even stated to have surpassed Hagoromo but im not sure). Also, Edo Madara > EMS Madara due to Rinnegan + he wasn't a weaker Edo like the rest, Kabuto himself said: "Your reanimation is quite special, you're even greater than during your glory days".
Overall, good job tho 👍
DMS Obito should be High Six Paths scaling off of DMS Kakashi. The only reason he didn’t use his full power is because he was practically dead at the time and had barely any chakra
How do you know he didn’t have chakra?
@@New_Horizons Mainly because he had the 10 tails extracted and had his body used for rinne rebirth which both usually kill the person. Then had black zestu use his body and Obito had to use all of his chakra to resist black zetsu and get to the kamui dimension. Then he had to have Sakura attempt to destroy his rinnegan before Madara could get it because he had no chakra. Then he had his original eye replaced. I just think if he would’ve been at full chakra he’d be high six paths
suigetsu and asuma are obviously high jonin . Baki is likely there as well . haku is a strong chunin obviously its haku;s potential thats higher than zabuza. putting kimi over chiyo is ridiculous. jiraiya estimation of hanzo puts him as WAY higher than low kage. Yagura was a perfect host obviously too low. There is zero reason to think kisame is a tier higher than sasori or kakuzu he is just a superior matchup vs tailed beast hosts having high at the same tier as oonoki and muu is just insane. (muu CAN Change the weight of things how do you think he flies?) .i think all the super crazy tiers are just proof the series went bs mountain busting dbz bad so i mostly dont care with one exception 8th gate guy ccoudnt have beaten madara without help in opening the black orb shield id why people forget that, so he cant be that high.
8th gates DOES NOT even come close to hashirama.... hashirama would sht stomp 8th gate guy... madara was literally playing with guy.. and guy still got a ton of help...
the same with dms kakashi... wtf.. how dafuk does ems kakashi even comes close to defeating hashirama? he probably has like 2% chance lmao.... his perfect susano means nothing to hashirama... his kumui literally means nothing lmao.. easely dodged... he can literally force kakashi to use slip through would style and keep his slipping through it for 5 or more minutes until he cant use it anymore and its an easy win. stop overrating kamui. barelly did anything in teh series. and what it did was because it was completely carried by hashirama cells including not letting obito go blind and allowing him to literally spam it all teh time
Fantastic video, I agreed with every single ranking I think EXCEPT the Tobirama one. I think this is just plain wrong. To be able to support to that extent you have to be at least somewhat relative to your main fighters. He has a similar skillset as Minato, just a step weaker in almost everything. In the war his showing was much better than Minatos for a good portion too (when Minatos mind was clouded because of Obito being evil though). It just seems logical to me to rank him one rank lower than Minato.
I rewatched the show (Anime this time) a few months ago and Tobiramas accomplishments in the war were just unreal.
Again, fantastic video, but hard disagree on this one.
Actually when he flexes his chakra after being ressurrected as an edo EMS Sasuke got scared.. this rank for tobirama is bullshit, just imagine a sick itachi being able to compete with tobirama ffs..
Tobirama isn’t actually a step lower then minato as the only thing minato is better at is FTG tobirama had way more jutsu mastered then that which is why I believe he didn’t focus on that
Plus tobirama didn’t have the good upbringing like minato did tobirama got it out the mud and training was done mostly in the battlefield instead on training field where he can hone all his jutsu
@@Noblesavage31 We also know Minato is better at the Body-Flicker, but that's about it. There is no way 6 Tail Naruto, Itachi and Pein are above Tobirama. Tobirama getting put near death by Kinkaku and Ginkaku in an Ambush when they had all the Sage Tools isn't an anti-feat. EMS Sasuke and Orochimaru sweat from Tobirama lifting a finger. Also, the point about Obito getting split in half doesn't really make sense, why wouldn't Tobirama abuse the ability to survive those attacks as an Edo? Tobirama could also use the Tandem Paper Bombs when he was alive, I don't know why people think he couldn't. Tobirama downplay goes crazy.
actually agree with all three of you
@@Xyro-- also , minato and hiruzen were both astonished by tobiramas reaction for me the correct hokage ranking is:
Naruto six path
Hashirama
Tobirama
Minato
Hiruzen
Kakashi
Tsunade
How do you not know Haku is a guy? Nonetheless, most of these rankings make sense
I put alive rinnegan madara above alive final valley madara only because limbo was shown to be able to fight the bijuu, he also has rinnegan rods and sage energy which he took from hashirama, so while having a gap in power with kyubi, i think rinnegan revived madara got it covered in a fight.
I think they are still the same tier roughly.
@@New_HorizonsTobiramas FTG seal lasted on jubito for a very long time. Its not that tobirama cant mark many kunais & scatter them all over. Its just that tobirama is not DEPENDENT on FTG like minato. Minato dont just use FTG the way he does because he's good at it, but also because his Life Depends On It. Its just facts. 👍🙏
@@kelvinallen9327 garbage take, i guess thats why tobirama lost to kinkaku and ginkaku then since you know he does not need ftg right? Come on thats stupid, the way minato use ftg is in acordance to his fighting style, which surrounds quick movement and attacking at close range, also help his sealing jutsu as well, not just because his life depends on it. Tobirama was just stupid to not maximize the full potential of the flying thundergod, if he had he would have been alive, its either he was stupid, or he was just not able to master the ftg at the level minato did thats all
@@momotheone9700 I understand. I really do. However, tobirama's mastery of FTG is top tier. Just look at his performance in the war. Saying that tobi lost to kin & gin, with out mentioning that the same manga said, "" they launched surprised attacks"". Is bias. We dont know what happened. 👍🙏🤝. Secondly, if tobirama had enough chakra, dont you think he would have teleported himself, hiruzen, danzo, & the others back to the village. We saw minato did the same thing in his one shot. And we all know tobi got lots of chakra. So is it obvious, tobi was fatigued at the time & low on chakra? Come on now Momo, come on. This is why i defend tobirama. People just ignore what they want & zoom in on what they want. We saw Tobi used his so called inferior mastery of FTG to coordinate attacks with slow characters like Iruka, Kohonamaru, Ebisu, gennin shikamaru, Kankuro, sound four, etc, 😂🤣??? tobi wasn't fighting alongside kcm 1 daze minato or kcm naruto & sauske. He was some wheres else 😂🤣??. Daze kcm minato at times reacted to jubito, coordinate attacks & even out performed naruto & sauske at first. So daze kcm minato is way way superior to naruto & sauske at first. Tobi level of master with FTG, and his reaction & combat speed is so so so inferior?? That he was left out completely of the fight 😂🤣??And dont forget Tobi was a weakened edo, with no ninetails chakra, or Hagoromos chakra. 🙏👍. Much love & respect Momo 🙏👍
Bro you forgot to rank white mask Obito, anyway the list was fire!!!
he has him on high demigod,"obito war arc" it's basically the same thing
War acr kakashi should be high kage. He literally beats two version 2 cloaked jinchuriki controlled by obito with one shadow clone, kamui is busted, and his sharingan is so advanced he can react to and follow Obito, KCM naruto, and gated Gai.
Yeah also kakashi didn’t think guy surpassed him until he went into the 8th gate . Him and 7th gate guy should be on the same tier
Naruto higher than sasuke for six paths,kaguya stronger than both of them
Kaguya is stronger. I just didn’t feel like making another tier.
@@New_Horizons fair enough
I don't see how retrieval arc temari is a tier under tatuya lol
Bad matchup for tayuya. Could be on the same tier though.
@@New_Horizons Yeah I'd honestly drop the sound 4 down, as well as shikamaru a tier so He is next to kiba.
Not like It matters tho, lol. Dope list anyway!
Taka Sasuke is both above and weaker than Hebi Sasuke. Taka Sasuke has hax but that doesn't make him stronger than Bee, and he loses his rapid regeneration and snake shedding. Because Sasuke isn't fused anymore he went into the fight with Bee injured.
hebi sasuke is stronger than taka sasuke
@@xxxtimeghostxxx yep. Taka Sasuke pre-amaterasu that Bee clowned on might be the weakest version of Sasuke in Shippuden.
Shishui was relative to 13 year old pre ms itachi so I’m not really seeing how he contends with ms Sasuke against bee
in his sparring with itachi shisui took it serious but was not at max power or speed
This checks out considering they didn’t use sharingan and shisuis speed scales far higher
shisui had a 10 year ms experience gap on him so itachi getting ms doesn’t automatically make them relative
the gap between them is lager than people think
Shisui is not equal to young itachi
They arguably don’t get relative until the edo version of itachi
When itachi is not sick and also has ms for 10 years
W
The Kakashi disrespect is crazy
Kabuto should be way higher than he is lmao. It was stated nobody in the series would’ve beat him 1 on 1 at that point. His L was also just walking out of his fight unscathed with a new mental. He’s got some of the best regeneration in the series, immune to almost all genjutsu, ftl speed, probably the widest arsenal of jutsu compared to anyone outside of ten tails hosts and rinnegan users, and both his iq and biq are better than most people in the series. Also just having reanimation as a jutsu which only 3 people total in the series can use is busted. Comparatively the people in his tier and the one above him are all just weaker than him. He should’ve got a better fight highlighting his capabilities instead of a little scuffle then getting hoed, but he’s really supposed to be him.
dont take statements for granted,it was also stated in part 1 hiruzen was stronger than hashirama and tobirama and somewhat implied than the 4th which we all know is not nearly true,it was also said kakshi had 1000 jutsus he only showed like 10 ? if that ?
@@xxxtimeghostxxx But Kakashi knowing 1000 jutsu isn’t out of touch with his abilities in the series. It could easily be accepted that he knows 1000 but does his same couple ones from each element because they are more effective or because he’s better at them. We’ve seen Sasuke use multiple types of fire jutsu throughout the series but he uses the standard fire ball jutsu more times than any other jutsu because it’s something he’s more proficient in. Hiruzen’s statement about him being so strong was all the way back in part 1. Kishimoto wrote the story and just decided to change the strength levels of Hashirama and Minato compared to what he originally intended them to be because he wrote them to have a more valuable role in the story and needed to power creep. It’s the same as Haku, Naruto, and Sasuke having light speed feats in the Land Of Waves arc but then reverting to sound speed in the Chunin Exams because Kishi must’ve thought they were too fast for how he wanted the fights in the story to go at that point. Kabuto’s statement was near the end of the series, there is nothing figurative about it and there would be no reason to “retcon” the level he was at or considered to be when the story ended in the next 100 chapters. It’s entirely different from statements like Hiruzen’s which was ancient, Kakashi’s which is still something that can be accepted, and characters like Kakazu’s which are misleading or figurative. Kabuto was blitzing Itachi and Sasuke individually and without one of them to cover the other’s back neither would be able to really harm him. Itachi was a reanimation so he could fight without much risk to him so Sasuke took more of a backseat to their fight because he wouldn’t be able to hang with Kabuto up close with a human body. Even if you think the statement is a little exaggerated, it just doesn’t make sense to think regular Nagato, regular Itachi, and regular Obito are competing with Perfect Sage Kabuto. At the very least he should be one tier higher with a case for one more as well.
ye i agree with all that but regarding your first comment,u can't say kabuto walked out of that unscaved and the L was just getting a new mental,u know they could've killed him both before and after he was in the izanami right ? itachi kept telling sasuke not to try and kill him,also who stated that nobody could 1v1 anybody at that point ? cause i don't remember@@skinnymelo
@@xxxtimeghostxxx I guess you’re right about them being able to kill him in the Izanami, I just didn’t remember if they mentioned doing that came with a risk of undoing the jutsu but I guess not. Itachi said he himself couldn’t beat Kabuto without the Izanami and the only reason it even has an effect on him in the first place is cause of Kabuto’s own mental. He also prompted Sasuke to stay back and back him up several times during the fight because he didn’t want him getting close to Kabuto. Either that was because he was trying to lay the steps for the Izanami, or because he knew Sasuke couldn’t keep up with Kabuto up close, or both, it’s up for interpretation really. But if there’s like one to two jutsu in the entire series that he loses to, he’s pretty unbeatable. Databook also said he’s “unbeatable against a singular opponent” and even though that’s an exaggeration, I don’t see an argument for why he doesn’t comfortably beat anyone in the series one on one atp except for Obito and Madara who had a rinnegan each. He at least beats anyone in his own tier in the vid comfortably imo.
Mifune is stated to be as strong as the 5 kage where you rank him is subjective but he deserves atleast low kage he is beating a good amount of people you placed above him
@ 1:00 (even though I hate boruto) I don't know about that ... Same series of series's, so why not...??? But loved the video , as always, you are awesome bro!
Tobirama that low is criminal.
Nah its fair Tobirama is just a discount Minato.
@@OddEyes1 Even if you think he's just a discount Minato (Which he's not) Putting him below Pein, 6 Tails Naruto and Itachi is wild. He scared Early EMS Sasuke by lifting a finger. Below Chunin Exams Orochimaru??? Tandem Paper Bomb alone puts him above all of the people I just listed.
@@Xyro-- that's fair, I think Tobirama vs Orochimaru base to base Tobirama wins. If you count Orochimaru's Edo tensei though then that's a different story.
@@Xyro-- How did he scare EMS Sasuke when the whole room had the same reaction? Btw, part 1 base Sasuke did the same to Kabuto and we don't say hes above Kabuto. All it means is that his chakra is powerful.
@@marko1263The whole room didn't have the same reaction. Taka and Orochimaru did. Minato and Hiruzen were surprised, but not scared.
Wait wait did he just call Haku a her 😂😂
8 gates might guy and dms kakashi are the most overrated naruto characters of all time , they are for me demi god tier because any user who knows how to spam izanami and izanagi or reaper death seal is on that level ,because kakashi blitzes kaguya for a small time frame i dont see how he does this to shisui who teleports or minato or tobirama or raikages they vcan escape even might guy if he cannot defeat u with7 gates the fight is a draw,he was assisted buy sage mode minato,gara kage,kakashi kage level,and rock lee if not he will be toast madara was literally playing defense cause he was legit excited,i dont see how dat guy beats minato in fight or obito or itachi who has yata mirror and izanagi and izanami to spam in a match 2 the dead.Again guy beating kisame was cause he was the worst matchup for him and this was a legit kisame who had taken blows fought bee and unfused and after that he still had enough strength to be making water prison jutsus,why is that is cuz might guy was the worst match up for guy, i think he scales to ems sasuke or ems madara and edo itachi in his 8gates
I like his video. I’ve always despised Kakashi so seeing him that low makes me glad.
Pain arc kakashi>hidan
Mei >kage level
Garaa pops used to stop the 1 tails when garaa lost control> kage level
3rd raikage tangled regularly with the 2nd strongest tailed beast> high kage
Part 1: Disagree most with the Genin tier. I'd probably put Choji in there but put all the sound ninja and Tenten and Hinata in the low Chunin tier, so only Ino Sakura and Choji would be in the Genin tier. I'd probably also put kid Kakashi in mid-Jonin tier. Other than that, awesome fucking tier list, I always respect your opinions greatly!
Part 2:
I'd put Sakura in Peak Jonin ngl. I also completely disagree with your Hidan placement, who I would put in High Jonin at best, remember he basically lost to Asuma. I'd probably also put Darui in Peak Jonin.
I'd also likely put both Deidara and Sasori in Low Kage. Regarding the sand village in general, I'd honestly wouldn't put any kazekage above Peak Jonin except for Gaara. Being able to subdue Shukaku is not that impressive imo, since pretty much kid Naruto was able to do the same. The fact that Gaara was also like the sands' super weapon and that kid Naruto was able to do that also is one of a few things which kind of shows how weak the sand village is. Another one is, Deidara would have soloed the entire sand village if Gaara hadn't been there. Sasori is either stronger or very close to Deidara, and then loses to a member of the sand village and Sakura. Now, it is true that they were his counter and there were special circumstances, but I don't think it's enough to put him 3 whole tiers above Sakura. And even if Chiyo wasn't there when Deidara attacked, the fact that nobody else in the village was able to do anything against him should sort of go to show the skill of your average sand Jonin. In fact, what this might imply, is that Sakura could at least be considered close to Deidara level, which means you could argue she should be able to solo the Sand Village - Gaara. Now, while that would obviously be ridiculous, you could maybe at least say she should be as strong as 1/4th of the Sand Village - Gaara? 1/10th - Gaara? Either way, it's an unimpressive showing for the Sand Village, and an impressive one for Sakura.
Another thing is that they are in the Leaf Village web of alliances at the start of the series. They are in that club along with a bunch of other minor villages, which kind of implies that this is a Leaf Hegemony, with a bunch of weaker villages essentially being their vassals. This is further strengthened by the fact that we see Baki and the Sand Village talk about how the armstice doesn't allow the Sand to have that many ninja.
Finally, the Sand Village only got Shukaku among the tailed beasts which is kind of a joke. All of the other great nations got at least 2 except for Konoha who got the 9-tails who is by far the strongest. The fact that the 9-tails is by far the strongest also goes to show that Shukaku might be a good degree weaker than many other bijuu. Meanwhile, the fucking Waterfall village got the 7-tails.
So yeah, that's my sand village spheal lol. Overall, I think the Sand Village is likely sort of a rump village created by the country of Wind, just so that they could have a village. Likely their more of an economic power, and just made it since the other great nations did, which is why I'd say their kages should not be considered Kage level, and why Baki is like their strongest Jonin and stuff.
Either way, back to the tier list!
The reason I'd put Kakuzu a tier above Sasori and Deidara is because he's killed his other Akatsuki partners just because he got pissed off at them. I see no reason why we should assume these partners were any weaker than Sasori and Deidara, since their pretty much at the average Akatsuki level. This means he might be able to kill them with impunity, which is pretty much the single best standard I'd set for putting someone in a tier above someone else ngl. I'd probably also put Base Guy in Peak Jonin and Shippuden Kakashi in Low Kage though I'm also iffy on those.
But yeah, again, awesome tier list, always love your content!!
Chiyo is considered Kage level.
@@granddefectus4602 I disagree with the general sentiment on that issue
@@TheLuigiBrother77 Her 10 puppets can contest with Sasori. And she did raise Sasori after all. Sasori was surprised to learn that she had intended to bring his parents back, I think that really made him reflect on his evilness.
lost to asuma ? did u watch the show ?@@TheLuigiBrother77
@@xxxtimeghostxxx Asuma cuts his head off, if Kakuzu hadn't been there he woulf had been done for
Putting Sakura at Kage is really generous in my opinion. I'd have her at high jonin. Tobirama has to be higher. At least low demigod
she literally hurt kaguya and dodged attacks from her, she also saved obito from getting killed by kaguya😂
4th raikage defo not punching a horn off kaguya
Narratively base hebei sasuke should beat kakazu based on Kakashi’s dialogue with naruto.
he does
I think it's implausible that Kisame and Itachi are above Jiraiya when Jiraiya would have killed both of them had it not been for amaterasu.
I’m interested in what you think about Hanzo, I don’t think I saw him in the tiers. I think Mifune should be at least low kage because of his relativity to him. He’s kinda depicted as his rival.
His lore is too vague to rank properly. And mifune beat him because hanzo lost his conviction. They both say that.
@@New_Horizons When taking into consideration that tobirama's combat & reaction & travel speed is on par with hashi, as we saw in the hiruzen fight.
Madara acknowledging him to be fastest of ""Their"" generation. He can teleport. He can wipe out battle fields with or with out edo paper bombs. He is a senju. He has lots of chakra. He has been fighting the Uchiah's since a child. Was stated to be equal to Izuna, who was equal to then Madara.
And being on par with hashi & madara in reaction & combat speed, alive tobirama can blitz people like raikage & his father, kcm 1 & 2 naruto, kisame, Minato ( with or with out sage mode ), etc, etc. Not forgetting, tobi fought an Ms user as a young man & beat him. 👍🙏
The kakashi downplay is crazy
nah
I think Shisui should be on Itachi level. He only lost to danzo because he was poisoned before his battle. I don’t think peak orochimaru could beat Shisui if he’s able to genjutsu EMS Sasuke/ MS Itachi and is faster than both of them.
We don’t know enough about shisui to say he’s itachi level. And we don’t know canonically how he lost his eye to danzo.
Shisui>= base minato
1.shisui is 1/4
(tobiroma,raikage,minato,shisui) ninja fast enough to be feared specifically for their speed ever before shippuden
Out of these 4 he has the title body flicker(until i see a manga panel saying otherwise i will say he earned the title for his speed )
2.this logic is supported by shisui being stated in the novel to be the best bodyflicker ever by yoshiro who was in the 3rd war just like minato
(All statements are true until proven false )
Solidifying shisui as the best bodyflicker ever before shippuden and a faster base bodyflicker than minato
(Minato could be faster outside of base)
Both raikage and tobirama themselves say base minato is faster
Shisui>=minato>tobirama>=raikage
Not including post war arc god type characters
@@New_Horizons the anime filler is based on the novel and the novel goes into more detail than the game
So the novel is the canon version
in his sparring with itachi shisui took it serious but was not at max power or speed
This checks out considering they didn’t use sharingan and shisuis speed scales far higher
shisui had a 10 year ms experience gap on him so itachi getting ms doesn’t automatically make them relative
the gap between them is lager than people think
Shisui is not equal to young itachi
They arguably don’t get relative until the edo version of itachi
When itachi is healthy and also has ms for 10years
novels are not canon@@jayash2957
People scale Sakura super high because she landed that one blow on Kaguya. And Obito stated she had more chakra than a fatigued shadow clone of Naruto.
1. Naruto was attacking from the left and Sasuke was attacking from the right
2. The byakugan has a blind spot which was explained in part 1 looks oddly similar where Sakura attacked from
3. Kaguya was completely unaware of her presence as she was focused on the actually threats therefore she was not ready to brace for the attack/reinforce herself with chakra.
4. Ok, she was able to land a punch under very favorable circumstances what other feats does she have? She has pretty much the smallest justu pool in the series at this point only being able to use chakra control to punch hard but that's it, no speed feats or anything that would suggest she would even be able to touch a character like kcm1 Naruto.
5. Obito stated she had the bare minimum chakra with her Byakugou seal to allow him to travel through another dimension with his kamui. Once again its like so what?? Naruto has hundreds of shadow clones on the battlefield at that point fighting kaguya, also up into that point he was fighting a single war for days with no breaks, of course one of his clones divided hundred times is going to be low on chakra at this point. The Byakugou seal is a justu that utilizes storing vast amounts of chakra over an extended period of time. Sakura is using chakra that she has stored up for literal years and barley has more chakra than a fatigued 1/500 shadow clone of Naruto... Not really that impressive of a feat once you break it down.
The blind spot is super small in which an arrow barely can fix. Tbh I think she saw Sakura but her vision was focus on Sakura.
A single one of Naruto’s SAGE OF 6 PATHS shadows clones is violating anyone less than Demi God
@@kehkehd646 Yeah Sakura doesn't actually scale to one. Wasn't even implied that she does.
@@bank2378 ur second sentence.
@@kehkehd646 The amount of chakra she had was more than that shadow clone. However chakra amount/level is not the only way you scale the actually power of a character. For example part 1 Naruto had a substantial larger amount of chakra than Kakashi it was stated, Kakashi is still folding part 1 Naruto (talking about just in their bases btw)
pretty much everything besides hebi sasukes placement is good. hebi sasuke should be on the same tier as deidara at least because you talk about sasuke being a bad match up for deidara but deidara is just as bad for sasuke seeing as sasuke is primarily close to medium range and deidara is extremely long ranged. Also sasuke didnt use a lot of his abilities and at the end of the fight a majority of the damage done to him was self inflicted by the chidori to disarm the c4 bombs inside him.
He put Gai in the same tier as Kisame despite admitting Gai hard counters him. And he put Bee below Kisame even though he lost only because he got hard countered. But Sasuke does this same to Deidara (even if, as you say, Deidara also had many advantages) and suddenly he's a tier below? Kinda inconsistent.
there is something which people dont consider when scaling tail beast,kurama grows significantly stronger over them.the kurama madara used to fight hashirama was hypnotized and forced to fight , thats why in boruto there are techniques like baryon mode and when six paths showed them in a flashback they were smaall
Where is Guren? 😮
who the hell is that
@@xxxtimeghostxxx one of orochimarus favourites, the one with crystal release
imo dms kakashi deserves high 6th paths tier
He doesn’t have enough stamina. It was a short power up.
yeah i agree but in the short time he is busted asf i keeping up even surpassing the likes of naruto and sasuke i think at least above 8th gate guy @@New_Horizons
@@New_Horizonswithin that time frame he showed way better feats than someone like 8 gate guy tho
Tiermaker?