For me, the two biggest death knells for Microsoft were putting every Xbox exclusive on PC, and game pass. If the console has no true exclusive titles, no one is going to purchase one. And as much as I think game pass is a great idea for consumers, it can't be too profitable. If people can just pay a monthly fee and access a certain game, I think it disincentivizes people from actually buying the game, which ends up hurting the developers the most. Coincide that with the recent game studio closures under Microsoft, I don't see things turning around for them unless they want to go third-party like Sega did :/
Excellent insights as always Natey ma boy! Yeah I agree, 3rd party is really the only feasible option for them to keep their foot in the industry for the long term
you're half right, the real problem is that pc&xbox releases are crossplay, so no matter how much we like the game we now have to deal with cheaters ruining everything. We need xbox only titles with no crossplay to make gaming great again!!!!!!!
@@gregrich91 You do know that Sony is the one that doesn't like cross-play? Do you not remember that epic games threatened Sony to allow cross-play on fortnight and if they did not do that they would take fortnight out of the PlayStation store. Also all most every game on Xbox has an option to enable or disable cross-play like halo and call of duty, I think the only game that don't are fortnight and Minecraft.
The added layer to this is poor people, like me. I like to game but can't always afford the console or games. Game pass has made my gaming life amazing. But obviously at a huge cost.
i dont think microsoft care about console sales by making xbox a windows app it combined there player base with pc expanded there potential paid subscribers in the process.
Xbox was already in trouble the moment MS started putting their exclusives on PC. Game Pass was just the final nail in the coffin as it diminishes profits for third parties.
The most stupid choice was to make two models of Xbox. A cheap and inferior one, and a more "beefy" one, and then demanding games will have to run good on both models. It not only makes game developers going for low quality to be able to run those games, but also scare away developers that otherwise could make great games, but are now hand-tied to cram everything into lower quality.
I'm a PS5 guy but I really want MS to continue to make good consoles. There needs to be competition in the industry or things for us gamers will get even worse. They need to make good games and people will buy their system.
Same here. If Xbox had never existed, I don't think PSN would be even remotely as good as it is today - Xbox Live forced Sony to get better. Just look at Nintendo for an example of a company with virtually no competition... they are still in the stone-age in many areas. Similarly, the recent revamps of PS+ made it a really great offering... and we may have to thank Xbox and their doomed Gamepass service to again push Sony to improve.
But is that enough? These companies typically lose money on console sales as it is but not even hitting 30m units feels like a Loss they just don't have to take moving forward
@@StoneyRPG the sales aren’t nearly low enough to just stop making consoles. Especially with the gamepass endeavors. It just seems that way because of how dwarfed they are by ps and switch sales. However the player base Xbox is quite healthy
@@StoneyRPGyeah that’s fair enough. A lot of that loss went to PC and is using gamepass too so I bet it gets really blurry when crunching all these numbers. I think Xbox will soon turn into a console pc. Where the casual people as well as the pc gaming people can both use it
I like the new format, very relaxed and a nice way to start the morning with a warm cuppa coffee :) I'm always interested in hearing people's thoughts and opinions so more vids like this would always be welcome!!
next console could be shitty but ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS JUST LET THE 1,000 DEVELOPING COMPANIES THEY BOUGHT OFF MAKE EXCLUSIVE GAMES.....otherwise their consoles are useless
If their next console has a disc drive and is still back compat, and can be used offline, I will buy one. Simple as that. If any of those features are missing, I’ll never buy one again. Still can’t see myself going to Sony though. Switch and 360 for me in that case I guess
SEGA should and could come back to making consoles. If it wasn't for XBOX debuting in 2001 should've helped Sega make either the Saturn (1994-95) and Sega Dreamcast (1999-2000) instead it would've been cheaper than launch a new console brand.
game pass will destroy the future of xbox as a console. There is no reason to buy physical games when you get access to every single game for xbox for a small monthly fee. And PC releases don't help that either. Part of the WAY games get discovered is by having a physical release and any company making a game for xbox will struggle to make good sales because of game pass existing. Even if they don't put their game to game pass.... people won't be bothering to buy physical xbox games because of it (game pass.)
I have connections within Xbox and it seems like the leadership over there doesn't know what to do or think. They are taking suggestions from the dev teams and one the of the major talking points was making xbox games work better on windows and all the leadership seems to say is "we are responsive to it" But here is the major issue there. The Windows Dev team seems not to want to get involved. So it looks like there are too many chiefs and not enough indians. And none of the Cheifs can agree on how to move forward.
The only thing Microsoft/Xbox has to do is create another Xbox360. Make the legendary Xbox720 use it as the reset console and go back to what works. Youd think this would have been the exact move after the Xbox360 but it wasnt they have a chance to make a historical comback with a legendary footprint if they do that.
This sounds actually good they should make games just for that console maybe not next level graphics and I also don’t think graphics sells consoles gimics sell consoles
That's easier said than done. A big reason why the 360 took off is how Sony stumbled with the PS3 initially - that gave them a lot of manoeuvering room they would not have had otherwise.
Honestly historically this doesn't necessarily make sense. Another flop after series, perhaps, but currently this could still be recovered from, and I've yet to find a truly compelling reason why it would not be in Microsoft's interests to have their own gaming hardware on the market. Than again, I don't really care either way. Having only 2 boxes to buy instead of 3 will likely be slightly cheaper, so there's that. But also less diversity (between Sony and MS mostly UI and online infrastructure but still)
It's as simple as stop losing money on hardware and focus on software. Like I said in the vid, pull a Sega and go third party. They'd make so much more money and also lose so much less
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maybe atari should return, especaly if they own turok and system shock. make a bunch of new ips and create a AAA yars game, they did say they wanted to reddem themselves. btw i own a atari 2600+
I dont think they need to stop making consoles but they need to make changes in order to become a good gaming vompany microsoft got some good ideas that are overall better for gamers then alot of ps or nintendos ideas but if there vision is to make everyone the player then they'll haft to make the xbox consoles uniq so that they dont loose the players that are their biggest fans they haft to change
Exactly, you can't just make a slightly stronger xbox and have it carry an entire generation anymore. Performance is becoming less and less of a demand among gamers and the Switch's sales are living proof of that. If Microsoft wants to continue in the console market, they need to be able to offer consumers something that they can't already get from the others
Yes and also thank you for responding I myself have a vision for Microsoft I can understand that the digital market is the way to make money but they need to change their ecosystem not much but still change it Heres a quote "Sometimes the smallest changes can make the biggest impact it's the little things that matter -unknown" I cant really reavel to much of my ideas since it's on the internet but whst I can say is that Xbox needs to think what's the best for our xbox gamers/koncumers before they actually makes ideas their ideas can be great but they need more thought and understanding if their to succed
Sony won't allow Xbox Game Pass on PlayStation. Unless that changes or Game Pass for PC starts doing really well (it's not at the moment), Microsoft will keep making Xbox consoles in order to sell Game Pass subscriptions.
@@StoneyRPG If Sony view Game Pass as being as disruptive as Microsoft does, they really might not want to. Why allow a service that would undercut your own game sales? Sony gets a % cut on every game sold on PS4/5, digital or physical. How much could they get from a cross-platform service like Game Pass?
I won't buy a game if it comes from a Microsoft studio. Never will again ever for the rest of my lifetime. Because I've seen something unethical that is secret.
A lot of people play Xbox but there isn't a huge reason to upgrade their consoles yet. GTA 6 will most likely (and should) be a Series X & S and PS5 game, I think for GTA 6 alone it will make next generation console purchases skyrocket. We also don't know every title Xbox studious have in the works, this is purely benefit of the doubt but I think Xbox will have some seriously good exclusives in the next few years that can drive people to buy an Xbox or Game Pass whenever it comes out on it.
Only 27 million people play Xbox, and we actually know that for a fact lol. And I don't think it's sold as badly as it has for the past 4 years because people are "waiting on the next console". Like... have they been waiting since 2020? Lol
@@StoneyRPG if you’re gonna quote me actually use what I said lol, this video is definitely a biased playstation fanboy rant judging on how you make hypocritical points and misrepresent arguments 💀
@@StoneyRPG But the PS5 has not really sold great either, and is also lacking games. Aside from Switch (if that even counts,) this generation has had some real trouble getting going.
Consoles are always sold at a loss. But when you aren't moving consoles OR software, that's when things get messy. And after taking a Bath on Redfall, Starfield, and Infinite, Microsoft better focus on improving either one thing or the other
Well GameCube and Wii U are supposed failures and still came back with an amazing console so maybe Xbox can do it but we will have to wait and see . And if they have nothing to lose why not keep trying , they have the money to keep making them anyway until something clicks. And even if they do fail the console wars they can still make consoles for people that like Xbox anyway.
This is by far the best Xbox problem/video about Xbox I’ve seen. You point out all the problems with the Xbox and how they just need to quit the console industry because this is going to be a massive failure
Xbox Series is probably just a Game Pass box. P3R runs better on it than my laptop, and it’s better to run something locally because the internet infrastructure is kinda crumbly (I live in Texas). I got a Series X partially for library disks. I think it’s meant for that kind of thing
We haven't had a good Halo game since like ODST so yeah, they'd better stop making consoles. They're done. They've been done. And it's too bad, too. The original Xbox and the Xbox 360 were incredible consoles with great libraries.
wrong! reach was great. OG and 360 were technologically trash, but they had great exclusive games and that allowed for building a great community. Lack of true exclusivity and garbo woke game devs have ruined it
@@StoneyRPG What's the point of going 3rd party if you can't make good games? Microsoft have bought a lot of IP and studios, but they have had a hard time maintaining them. The recent studio closings are a good example of this pattern. Post-Reach/post-Bungie Halo games have had lukewarm receptions even among the Xbox diehards - it's not a safe bet they would be even _that_ well received by PlayStationers, who aren't invested in the series.
All they rly need to do is make the next xbox dual boot xbox os and windows, so it is an xbox and an affordable gaming pc and they would probably have the best selling console of all time. Especially if they made it a beefy docking handheld instead of a box.
This doesn't make sense, maybe im missing something. You're saying ms should stop making consoles and just focus on game pass. Ok, but how would game pass work on playstation? Sony isnt going to let ms have their own store on ps. Sony isnt going to let ms have enough access to playstations in order to download and install games in the PlayStation store, either. Same with nintendo. In order for gamepass to survive, xbox has to survive. Pc isnt a large enough market to feed the beast alone. Game pass is so large because it is appealing to lower income gamers. Ms strategy is likely going to be focusing on being the more affordable option for gamers.
Microsoft has already expressed interest in putting gamepass on Playstation as far back as PS4. Sony was the only hang up. But if Microsoft went 3rd party and wasn't a direct hardware competitor, I think they'd be more open to the idea
@@StoneyRPG I respectfully disagree. Look at Apple. Apple never has and never will allow 3rd party stores on their phones if they can help it. These companies don't build hardware to make a profit on the hardware, they make hardware to be a platform they control and take a cut from every sale. There's a massive difference between a game sale and a subscription to game pass, subscriptions are the most desirable form of income. So Sony wouldn't just let someone into their kitchen and eat their meal. Game pass requires a store with the ability to install software. There's no way Sony will allow another store because they couldn't take a cut of sales. And if they did, Ms can't afford to give Sony a large cut of game pass. It already is operating on a thin margin or a little bit of loss. If Ms was just focusing on selling games, yeah going 3rd party would make a lot of sense. But they are focusing on getting subscribers to game pass. Sony wants those subscribers, too. Allowing game pass on ps would only hurt sales of titles and subscriptions to ps plus. It would be like chic fila a allowing Popeyes to set up a stand in the corner of the dining area. It could only hurt chic fila A's sales, even if Popeyes gave them 30% of each sale.
@caughdog I respectfully disagree as well. its not like letting the Gamepass app operate on Sony would kill sony's sales or subscriptions. Xbox has exclusives Sony doesn't. And vice versa. People would continue to purchase and subscribe to Sony for those exclusives, and if they wanted to, also subscribe to gamepass. Sony stands to lose nothing by taking a cut from Gamepass sales that they wouldn't be getting anyway. Like if I want to play The Last of Us Remastered I'm not going to NOT get that game because gamepass is on my Playstation. It's just Sony giving their customers more options and taking a cut of microsofts revenue. The chick fila/Popeyes argument falls flat because unlike those establishments, Sony and Microsoft have distinct exclusives to offer customers. Microsoft isn't trying to sell you their version of The Last Of Us like Chick fila is trying to sell you their version of a chicken sandwich. They're trying to sell you halo infinite which is a completely different experience that appeals to a completely different customer base. And it's a product Sony CANNOT offer, so why not make money off of it if they can?
@@StoneyRPG But a whole lot of the gamepass titles are not Xbox exclusives. The non-exclusive titles on Game Pass absolutely _would_ cannibalize sales on PlayStation, just as it has done on Xbox already. There's also the question of what kind of cut Sony would demand for such a service to run. If it's too high Game Pass won't be profitable for MS, while Sony would likely be reluctant to allow it without a significant cut due to the sales-cannibalizing aspect.
my counter point is: should apple stop making phones just because samsung has a larger marketshare? 27.7 million units is nothing to scoff at. If they get their manufacturing side done properly then they could keep an affordable, but smaller share of the console market. There will always be people who can't afford the playstation, and if there's an xbox for half the price with access to games pass, that is a potential sale.
@@StoneyRPG I can't answer that question, but I think that almost 28 million doesn't indicate there's NO interest. Maybe interest has waned and xbox doesn't want to put in the effort to gain it back because it's hard and risky, and that's their right, but it feels like they're acting like that kid who did really well in high-school without trying very hard, and then got to university and then realized their study habits won't cut it. xbox can either take the path of "C's get degrees", or buckle down and graduate with honours like they have the capacity to do. xbox could be great again, it's a question of whether they want to. And my point was that, maybe their market share only ever stays at 28 million households who buy into their ecosystem, so what if it's still making a profit overall.
I think it’s because Microsoft cares more about pushing the envelope, granted that’s usually doesn’t work out *cough cough Kinect* so I think Microsoft will use the money they earn from game pass which will be ALOT and use it on a crazy concept console to try to pull the rug from under Sony. I mean, why not? If your streaming service is making BANK and your company makes BANK with or without games why not use that crazy amount of money to do some crazy unheard of shit and potentially make even more with it. Just a thought.
Ehhh Microsoft has never really "pushed the envelope" in my opinion. Even Kinect was just their way of trying to rip off the wii lol. They haven't really done anything mind blowing (minus game pass) in like over a decade
Anybody and everybody can speculate, it's kind of the definition of "speculation". But if thats not your thing, I could direct you to about 15 billion other videos on this site that may be more your speed
Them leaving the console market would be awful. Even if you love Sony, your only options being PlayStation and Nintendo is bad for competition. Game Pass is a hell of a deal and yes its on PC but even amongst my friends who own gaming PCs it can be extremely irritating when you cant get a game to just work for hours. I tend to tell my friends that if they just want a plug and play experience and dont think any PC exclusives appeal to them, to just get a console. This Xbox vs PlayStation vs PC argument is just getting old especially when Cross Play is so relevant this day and age
I'm not framing it as a competition, I have no strong feelings toward Microsoft OR Sony. This is just an analysis of the current climate and how sales on this Gen have been. And quite frankly, it's not been a good one for Xbox. I agree less competitors in the market isn't good, but it isn't microsofts obligation to stay in the business of consoles just so people have options. If they keep losing money and their player base keeps shrinking at the rate it has been, they'll more than likely make the sensible business decision
@@StoneyRPG Theyre still earning absolutely insane amounts of income from the Xbox brand though even if consoles sales are technically "down" In 2020 the brand earned them 11.58 Billion dollars, in 2021 that soared to 15.37 and then in 2022 it went up even more to 16.22. Last year it went down to 15.47 and suddenly they start cutting their devs because they have to appease to their shareholders. The Xbox Brand is still strong even with the controversies, but companies see anything less than infinite growth as the worst thing that can happen to them even if its completely unsustainable.
@xSkylar64 but my question is how long is that viable when they're losing literal Millions of users each generation? How much longer before the shareholders say "hey, we make all of our money on software and services, why should we keep losing money on xbox consoles?" And all of those figures are what they've earned, not what they've lost on this console generation
@@StoneyRPG Theyre making money off software because of the consoles though. It doesnt matter how much money they lose on console sales as long as the people purchasing those consoles are spending money on software. Theres still roughly 30 million Xbox Series out there with people spending money on software. They would lose significantly more money if they stopped selling consoles and relied on just PC game sales because not every Xbox gamer is going to move to PC. Just my guess half of them would just go buy a PS instead.
@xSkylar64 which is why going third party and making gamepass cross platform would be the most lucrative move they could possibly make. And they could continue making money on software by going third party, in fact I'd argue they'd make MORE on software since the install base on every other platform is so much higher
@@tomariscool it doesn’t matter if it’s objectively getting desired or not numbers it’s the argument of ‘this is the second least selling xbox’ as a point… when the playstation 5 is the second least selling playstation. It’s a hypocritical biased argument, this is very clearly a video trying to paint Xbox as something it’s not and regardless dishonesty is dishonesty. By this logic consoles should stop being made entirely since the newest generation of consoles have been selling so poorly, yet this person will surely turn a blind eye to that fact because of his pride in a video game company lol. Console wars are ridiculous
@@LloydsChill Well the Xbox Series X is actually the slowest selling Xbox console, and it’s being shellacked by the PlayStation and Switch once again. The argument for the video was that Microsoft admits that they can’t realistically compete with their cohorts, so it’s puzzling that they haven’t gone fully multiplatform
@@StoneyRPG Helldiver fans will disagree with you. Shouldn't need a PSN account to play the game. I am glad Sony got bullied. Also, I don't give a fuck when they are actively anti-consumer.
not even going to watch the video, you're so wrong. Console is the ONLY place cheaters aren't thriving. Crossplay was the dumbest blunder players asked for. It opened up the console market to getting disenfranchised by cheaters. We don't play when we only get cheater lobbies. Battle Royale can only hide cheaters so much before people realize it's not worth playing at all. Crossplay is killing gaming, consoles are the only option now.
I honestly think it is a naming issue. ps2, ps3, ps4, ps5. It just makes sense. It is an easy and good name with an acronym and it flows off the tongue. 12 yeats ago, we were getting easter eggs in blockbuster movies like Real Steel teasing the 720, it just made sense. Nope, we got the xbox one, even though it was the third xbox. The name was intended to hype up the kinect, which they abandoned anyway after not making any games to support it. And then the xbox one x and xbox one x? Ok, they at least work with what they have now. Then The xbox series s and series x? What? Released a few years apart, totally different generations, even though the names are almost identical. I still find myself explaining to several people a month the difference. Not to mention they simply do not build enough. I've been thinking about buying an xbox series x for years now, I have the money. But even in 2024 I'd have to go on a freaking crusade to find it, as nobody has it in stock anywhere. Playstation had that problem too but at least in my area they are relatively abundant nowadays. And the endless bad press 343 is getting with Halo Infinite... it is a joke. As a life long Halo fan I refuse to play that game and so do many others.
Microsoft has definitely been a joke when it comes to naming their consoles, but I think the lack of must-have first-party software is a much bigger issue. Although, the apparent inability to name their consoles sensibly does hint of poor management/leadership.
For me, the two biggest death knells for Microsoft were putting every Xbox exclusive on PC, and game pass. If the console has no true exclusive titles, no one is going to purchase one. And as much as I think game pass is a great idea for consumers, it can't be too profitable. If people can just pay a monthly fee and access a certain game, I think it disincentivizes people from actually buying the game, which ends up hurting the developers the most. Coincide that with the recent game studio closures under Microsoft, I don't see things turning around for them unless they want to go third-party like Sega did :/
Excellent insights as always Natey ma boy! Yeah I agree, 3rd party is really the only feasible option for them to keep their foot in the industry for the long term
you're half right, the real problem is that pc&xbox releases are crossplay, so no matter how much we like the game we now have to deal with cheaters ruining everything. We need xbox only titles with no crossplay to make gaming great again!!!!!!!
@@gregrich91 You do know that Sony is the one that doesn't like cross-play? Do you not remember that epic games threatened Sony to allow cross-play on fortnight and if they did not do that they would take fortnight out of the PlayStation store. Also all most every game on Xbox has an option to enable or disable cross-play like halo and call of duty, I think the only game that don't are fortnight and Minecraft.
The added layer to this is poor people, like me. I like to game but can't always afford the console or games. Game pass has made my gaming life amazing. But obviously at a huge cost.
i dont think microsoft care about console sales by making xbox a windows app it combined there player base with pc expanded there potential paid subscribers in the process.
Xbox was already in trouble the moment MS started putting their exclusives on PC. Game Pass was just the final nail in the coffin as it diminishes profits for third parties.
Jokes on you Stoney, this video was recommended on my home page, and I clicked it on purpose.
Wait... I showed up on a HOMEPAGE?! holy shit I'm big time
You showed up in mine too man, have hope and keep at it👍
@@StoneyRPG showed up on mine
@SunnyxK alright but just cuz you said so 👍
Part of mine too lmao
The most stupid choice was to make two models of Xbox. A cheap and inferior one, and a more "beefy" one, and then demanding games will have to run good on both models. It not only makes game developers going for low quality to be able to run those games, but also scare away developers that otherwise could make great games, but are now hand-tied to cram everything into lower quality.
Yeah that was a REALLY odd choice...
I'm a PS5 guy but I really want MS to continue to make good consoles. There needs to be competition in the industry or things for us gamers will get even worse. They need to make good games and people will buy their system.
It's just that damn making good games part...
Same here. If Xbox had never existed, I don't think PSN would be even remotely as good as it is today - Xbox Live forced Sony to get better. Just look at Nintendo for an example of a company with virtually no competition... they are still in the stone-age in many areas. Similarly, the recent revamps of PS+ made it a really great offering... and we may have to thank Xbox and their doomed Gamepass service to again push Sony to improve.
I feel like they sell enough Xbox to keep making consoles while being a software powerhouse. They don’t need Xbox to sell well. Just enough
But is that enough? These companies typically lose money on console sales as it is but not even hitting 30m units feels like a Loss they just don't have to take moving forward
@@StoneyRPG I don’t personally know but I’ve heard people say that it is a somewhat healthy number
@@StoneyRPG the sales aren’t nearly low enough to just stop making consoles. Especially with the gamepass endeavors. It just seems that way because of how dwarfed they are by ps and switch sales. However the player base Xbox is quite healthy
@@wtjonny yes but that player base is dropping by literal millions every generation
@@StoneyRPGyeah that’s fair enough. A lot of that loss went to PC and is using gamepass too so I bet it gets really blurry when crunching all these numbers. I think Xbox will soon turn into a console pc. Where the casual people as well as the pc gaming people can both use it
“Microsoft is Turing into sega”- my dad said that a few days ago
I am going full PC next year if physical games go away I might as well buy all my games on steam for 75% off.
I think a lot of people are humming that tune lately
youre right xbox should step back. actually make games and then check back in 7 years. right now xbox is about to be unplugged.
They want to be like a publisher
And that'd be ideal, as long as they could give enough creative control to the devs
I like the new format, very relaxed and a nice way to start the morning with a warm cuppa coffee :) I'm always interested in hearing people's thoughts and opinions so more vids like this would always be welcome!!
Bro, xbox, Playstation, Nintendogs? Nah. Im buying the Gameclam
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next console could be shitty but ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS JUST LET THE 1,000 DEVELOPING COMPANIES THEY BOUGHT OFF MAKE EXCLUSIVE GAMES.....otherwise their consoles are useless
If their next console has a disc drive and is still back compat, and can be used offline, I will buy one. Simple as that. If any of those features are missing, I’ll never buy one again. Still can’t see myself going to Sony though. Switch and 360 for me in that case I guess
SEGA should and could come back to making consoles. If it wasn't for XBOX debuting in 2001 should've helped Sega make either the Saturn (1994-95) and Sega Dreamcast (1999-2000) instead it would've been cheaper than launch a new console brand.
Sega and Atari, the comebacks of the century
game pass will destroy the future of xbox as a console. There is no reason to buy physical games when you get access to every single game for xbox for a small monthly fee. And PC releases don't help that either. Part of the WAY games get discovered is by having a physical release and any company making a game for xbox will struggle to make good sales because of game pass existing. Even if they don't put their game to game pass.... people won't be bothering to buy physical xbox games because of it (game pass.)
I have connections within Xbox and it seems like the leadership over there doesn't know what to do or think. They are taking suggestions from the dev teams and one the of the major talking points was making xbox games work better on windows and all the leadership seems to say is "we are responsive to it" But here is the major issue there. The Windows Dev team seems not to want to get involved. So it looks like there are too many chiefs and not enough indians. And none of the Cheifs can agree on how to move forward.
The only thing Microsoft/Xbox has to do is create another Xbox360. Make the legendary Xbox720 use it as the reset console and go back to what works. Youd think this would have been the exact move after the Xbox360 but it wasnt they have a chance to make a historical comback with a legendary footprint if they do that.
They'd have to make something reaaaalllyyy special. They have a lot of good faith to earn back with a lot of deserters
@@StoneyRPG I completely agree 😌
This sounds actually good they should make games just for that console maybe not next level graphics and I also don’t think graphics sells consoles gimics sell consoles
That's easier said than done. A big reason why the 360 took off is how Sony stumbled with the PS3 initially - that gave them a lot of manoeuvering room they would not have had otherwise.
They are not being stupid there is something more sinister involved here!
Honestly historically this doesn't necessarily make sense. Another flop after series, perhaps, but currently this could still be recovered from, and I've yet to find a truly compelling reason why it would not be in Microsoft's interests to have their own gaming hardware on the market.
Than again, I don't really care either way. Having only 2 boxes to buy instead of 3 will likely be slightly cheaper, so there's that. But also less diversity (between Sony and MS mostly UI and online infrastructure but still)
It's as simple as stop losing money on hardware and focus on software. Like I said in the vid, pull a Sega and go third party. They'd make so much more money and also lose so much less
Whale dam. I clicked this video to watch this video lol, but I guess I'm gonna watch the one above now 😂😂😂.
I'm kidding of course.
what is this heat in the bg.
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Im just waiting for the long awaited GameSphere console
It's Spherical.
SPHERICAL
maybe atari should return, especaly if they own turok and system shock. make a bunch of new ips and create a AAA yars game, they did say they wanted to reddem themselves. btw i own a atari 2600+
I'm BEGGING for an Atari comeback lol
They kind of tried with the VCS (and 2600+). They don't have anyway *near* enough cash to compete with the big boys though.
I dont think they need to stop making consoles but they need to make changes in order to become a good gaming vompany microsoft got some good ideas that are overall better for gamers then alot of ps or nintendos ideas but if there vision is to make everyone the player then they'll haft to make the xbox consoles uniq so that they dont loose the players that are their biggest fans they haft to change
Exactly, you can't just make a slightly stronger xbox and have it carry an entire generation anymore. Performance is becoming less and less of a demand among gamers and the Switch's sales are living proof of that. If Microsoft wants to continue in the console market, they need to be able to offer consumers something that they can't already get from the others
Yes and also thank you for responding I myself have a vision for Microsoft I can understand that the digital market is the way to make money but they need to change their ecosystem not much but still change it Heres a quote "Sometimes the smallest changes can make the biggest impact it's the little things that matter -unknown" I cant really reavel to much of my ideas since it's on the internet but whst I can say is that Xbox needs to think what's the best for our xbox gamers/koncumers before they actually makes ideas their ideas can be great but they need more thought and understanding if their to succed
Sony won't allow Xbox Game Pass on PlayStation. Unless that changes or Game Pass for PC starts doing really well (it's not at the moment), Microsoft will keep making Xbox consoles in order to sell Game Pass subscriptions.
Sony would if Microsoft went 3rd party. They'd have absolutely no reason not to
@@StoneyRPG Game Pass would be a direct competitor to Playstation Plus Extra/Premium, so it would bite in their high margin subscription services.
@@StoneyRPG If Sony view Game Pass as being as disruptive as Microsoft does, they really might not want to. Why allow a service that would undercut your own game sales?
Sony gets a % cut on every game sold on PS4/5, digital or physical. How much could they get from a cross-platform service like Game Pass?
I won't buy a game if it comes from a Microsoft studio. Never will again ever for the rest of my lifetime. Because I've seen something unethical that is secret.
like what?
A lot of people play Xbox but there isn't a huge reason to upgrade their consoles yet. GTA 6 will most likely (and should) be a Series X & S and PS5 game, I think for GTA 6 alone it will make next generation console purchases skyrocket. We also don't know every title Xbox studious have in the works, this is purely benefit of the doubt but I think Xbox will have some seriously good exclusives in the next few years that can drive people to buy an Xbox or Game Pass whenever it comes out on it.
Only 27 million people play Xbox, and we actually know that for a fact lol. And I don't think it's sold as badly as it has for the past 4 years because people are "waiting on the next console". Like... have they been waiting since 2020? Lol
@@StoneyRPG if you’re gonna quote me actually use what I said lol, this video is definitely a biased playstation fanboy rant judging on how you make hypocritical points and misrepresent arguments 💀
@@StoneyRPG But the PS5 has not really sold great either, and is also lacking games. Aside from Switch (if that even counts,) this generation has had some real trouble getting going.
Mfw when consoles are sold at a loss in order to profit from software.
Consoles are always sold at a loss. But when you aren't moving consoles OR software, that's when things get messy. And after taking a Bath on Redfall, Starfield, and Infinite, Microsoft better focus on improving either one thing or the other
Well GameCube and Wii U are supposed failures and still came back with an amazing console so maybe Xbox can do it but we will have to wait and see . And if they have nothing to lose why not keep trying , they have the money to keep making them anyway until something clicks. And even if they do fail the console wars they can still make consoles for people that like Xbox anyway.
Isn't BG3 on Xbox?
Yeah it is now, was a Playstation/windows exclusive for like 4 or 5 months
Can we get Asmon to react?
He's too afraid.
This is by far the best Xbox problem/video about Xbox I’ve seen. You point out all the problems with the Xbox and how they just need to quit the console industry because this is going to be a massive failure
Much obliged!
microsoft should stop making consoles and go all in on their gamepads.
Back to the Sidewinder days.
Xbox Series is probably just a Game Pass box. P3R runs better on it than my laptop, and it’s better to run something locally because the internet infrastructure is kinda crumbly (I live in Texas).
I got a Series X partially for library disks. I think it’s meant for that kind of thing
Texas has pretty outstanding internet infrastructure for its relatively huge geographical size.
We haven't had a good Halo game since like ODST so yeah, they'd better stop making consoles. They're done. They've been done. And it's too bad, too. The original Xbox and the Xbox 360 were incredible consoles with great libraries.
Yep, 3rd party's their best option at this point
wrong! reach was great. OG and 360 were technologically trash, but they had great exclusive games and that allowed for building a great community. Lack of true exclusivity and garbo woke game devs have ruined it
@@StoneyRPG What's the point of going 3rd party if you can't make good games? Microsoft have bought a lot of IP and studios, but they have had a hard time maintaining them. The recent studio closings are a good example of this pattern.
Post-Reach/post-Bungie Halo games have had lukewarm receptions even among the Xbox diehards - it's not a safe bet they would be even _that_ well received by PlayStationers, who aren't invested in the series.
Great video
Thanks for watching!
All they rly need to do is make the next xbox dual boot xbox os and windows, so it is an xbox and an affordable gaming pc and they would probably have the best selling console of all time. Especially if they made it a beefy docking handheld instead of a box.
Underrated
This doesn't make sense, maybe im missing something. You're saying ms should stop making consoles and just focus on game pass. Ok, but how would game pass work on playstation? Sony isnt going to let ms have their own store on ps. Sony isnt going to let ms have enough access to playstations in order to download and install games in the PlayStation store, either. Same with nintendo.
In order for gamepass to survive, xbox has to survive. Pc isnt a large enough market to feed the beast alone.
Game pass is so large because it is appealing to lower income gamers. Ms strategy is likely going to be focusing on being the more affordable option for gamers.
Microsoft has already expressed interest in putting gamepass on Playstation as far back as PS4. Sony was the only hang up. But if Microsoft went 3rd party and wasn't a direct hardware competitor, I think they'd be more open to the idea
@@StoneyRPG I respectfully disagree. Look at Apple. Apple never has and never will allow 3rd party stores on their phones if they can help it. These companies don't build hardware to make a profit on the hardware, they make hardware to be a platform they control and take a cut from every sale. There's a massive difference between a game sale and a subscription to game pass, subscriptions are the most desirable form of income. So Sony wouldn't just let someone into their kitchen and eat their meal.
Game pass requires a store with the ability to install software. There's no way Sony will allow another store because they couldn't take a cut of sales. And if they did, Ms can't afford to give Sony a large cut of game pass. It already is operating on a thin margin or a little bit of loss.
If Ms was just focusing on selling games, yeah going 3rd party would make a lot of sense. But they are focusing on getting subscribers to game pass. Sony wants those subscribers, too. Allowing game pass on ps would only hurt sales of titles and subscriptions to ps plus. It would be like chic fila a allowing Popeyes to set up a stand in the corner of the dining area. It could only hurt chic fila A's sales, even if Popeyes gave them 30% of each sale.
@caughdog I respectfully disagree as well. its not like letting the Gamepass app operate on Sony would kill sony's sales or subscriptions. Xbox has exclusives Sony doesn't. And vice versa. People would continue to purchase and subscribe to Sony for those exclusives, and if they wanted to, also subscribe to gamepass. Sony stands to lose nothing by taking a cut from Gamepass sales that they wouldn't be getting anyway. Like if I want to play The Last of Us Remastered I'm not going to NOT get that game because gamepass is on my Playstation. It's just Sony giving their customers more options and taking a cut of microsofts revenue.
The chick fila/Popeyes argument falls flat because unlike those establishments, Sony and Microsoft have distinct exclusives to offer customers. Microsoft isn't trying to sell you their version of The Last Of Us like Chick fila is trying to sell you their version of a chicken sandwich. They're trying to sell you halo infinite which is a completely different experience that appeals to a completely different customer base. And it's a product Sony CANNOT offer, so why not make money off of it if they can?
@@StoneyRPG But a whole lot of the gamepass titles are not Xbox exclusives. The non-exclusive titles on Game Pass absolutely _would_ cannibalize sales on PlayStation, just as it has done on Xbox already.
There's also the question of what kind of cut Sony would demand for such a service to run. If it's too high Game Pass won't be profitable for MS, while Sony would likely be reluctant to allow it without a significant cut due to the sales-cannibalizing aspect.
my counter point is: should apple stop making phones just because samsung has a larger marketshare? 27.7 million units is nothing to scoff at. If they get their manufacturing side done properly then they could keep an affordable, but smaller share of the console market. There will always be people who can't afford the playstation, and if there's an xbox for half the price with access to games pass, that is a potential sale.
But where is this half price xbox?
And would that really be more of a financial gain than going 3rd party with gamepass?
@@StoneyRPG Series S according to google is 299 vs series X is 499, might not be exactly 1/2 price but it's close at 3/5.
@roccoruscitti910 I can't imagine their margins on the series s would outshine the revenue they'd pull with cross platform Gamepass
@@StoneyRPG I can't answer that question, but I think that almost 28 million doesn't indicate there's NO interest. Maybe interest has waned and xbox doesn't want to put in the effort to gain it back because it's hard and risky, and that's their right, but it feels like they're acting like that kid who did really well in high-school without trying very hard, and then got to university and then realized their study habits won't cut it. xbox can either take the path of "C's get degrees", or buckle down and graduate with honours like they have the capacity to do.
xbox could be great again, it's a question of whether they want to. And my point was that, maybe their market share only ever stays at 28 million households who buy into their ecosystem, so what if it's still making a profit overall.
I just think the xbox feels too basic in terms of ui
I think it’s because Microsoft cares more about pushing the envelope, granted that’s usually doesn’t work out *cough cough Kinect* so I think Microsoft will use the money they earn from game pass which will be ALOT and use it on a crazy concept console to try to pull the rug from under Sony. I mean, why not? If your streaming service is making BANK and your company makes BANK with or without games why not use that crazy amount of money to do some crazy unheard of shit and potentially make even more with it. Just a thought.
Ehhh Microsoft has never really "pushed the envelope" in my opinion. Even Kinect was just their way of trying to rip off the wii lol. They haven't really done anything mind blowing (minus game pass) in like over a decade
I like how youtubers think they can speculate as to what hundreds of billions of dollars worth companies should do business wise.
Anybody and everybody can speculate, it's kind of the definition of "speculation". But if thats not your thing, I could direct you to about 15 billion other videos on this site that may be more your speed
@@StoneyRPG no doubt you could...exactly what I said.
Them leaving the console market would be awful. Even if you love Sony, your only options being PlayStation and Nintendo is bad for competition. Game Pass is a hell of a deal and yes its on PC but even amongst my friends who own gaming PCs it can be extremely irritating when you cant get a game to just work for hours. I tend to tell my friends that if they just want a plug and play experience and dont think any PC exclusives appeal to them, to just get a console. This Xbox vs PlayStation vs PC argument is just getting old especially when Cross Play is so relevant this day and age
I'm not framing it as a competition, I have no strong feelings toward Microsoft OR Sony. This is just an analysis of the current climate and how sales on this Gen have been. And quite frankly, it's not been a good one for Xbox.
I agree less competitors in the market isn't good, but it isn't microsofts obligation to stay in the business of consoles just so people have options. If they keep losing money and their player base keeps shrinking at the rate it has been, they'll more than likely make the sensible business decision
@@StoneyRPG Theyre still earning absolutely insane amounts of income from the Xbox brand though even if consoles sales are technically "down" In 2020 the brand earned them 11.58 Billion dollars, in 2021 that soared to 15.37 and then in 2022 it went up even more to 16.22. Last year it went down to 15.47 and suddenly they start cutting their devs because they have to appease to their shareholders. The Xbox Brand is still strong even with the controversies, but companies see anything less than infinite growth as the worst thing that can happen to them even if its completely unsustainable.
@xSkylar64 but my question is how long is that viable when they're losing literal Millions of users each generation? How much longer before the shareholders say "hey, we make all of our money on software and services, why should we keep losing money on xbox consoles?"
And all of those figures are what they've earned, not what they've lost on this console generation
@@StoneyRPG Theyre making money off software because of the consoles though. It doesnt matter how much money they lose on console sales as long as the people purchasing those consoles are spending money on software. Theres still roughly 30 million Xbox Series out there with people spending money on software. They would lose significantly more money if they stopped selling consoles and relied on just PC game sales because not every Xbox gamer is going to move to PC. Just my guess half of them would just go buy a PS instead.
@xSkylar64 which is why going third party and making gamepass cross platform would be the most lucrative move they could possibly make.
And they could continue making money on software by going third party, in fact I'd argue they'd make MORE on software since the install base on every other platform is so much higher
Nintendo will drop before Microsoft it’s about money and longevity
The playstation 5 is the least selling just above the psvita, this video seems a bit biased lol
I'm not a Sony fan, but the PS5 has sold 55 million and the series x has sold 27, numbers only work one way buddy lol
It’s the lowest selling because it’s been out for less than 4 years… it’s doing about 90-95% of PS4 numbers if you follow it month by month
@@tomariscool it doesn’t matter if it’s objectively getting desired or not numbers it’s the argument of ‘this is the second least selling xbox’ as a point… when the playstation 5 is the second least selling playstation. It’s a hypocritical biased argument, this is very clearly a video trying to paint Xbox as something it’s not and regardless dishonesty is dishonesty. By this logic consoles should stop being made entirely since the newest generation of consoles have been selling so poorly, yet this person will surely turn a blind eye to that fact because of his pride in a video game company lol. Console wars are ridiculous
@@LloydsChill Well the Xbox Series X is actually the slowest selling Xbox console, and it’s being shellacked by the PlayStation and Switch once again. The argument for the video was that Microsoft admits that they can’t realistically compete with their cohorts, so it’s puzzling that they haven’t gone fully multiplatform
@@LloydsChill Consoles are also doing better than they have for the past 20 years lol
The Sonypedo FB cope is real.
? I'm not even a Sony fan. Just listing sales figures buddy. Numbers don't lie
Sony sucks just as bad and hard as Microsoft.
And yet are dominating them this generation in both hardware and software sales
Yeah because making great games every year is a mark of being as bad as Microsoft of course…
@@StoneyRPG Helldiver fans will disagree with you. Shouldn't need a PSN account to play the game. I am glad Sony got bullied.
Also, I don't give a fuck when they are actively anti-consumer.
Xbox consoles will always sell that’s y
not even going to watch the video, you're so wrong. Console is the ONLY place cheaters aren't thriving. Crossplay was the dumbest blunder players asked for. It opened up the console market to getting disenfranchised by cheaters. We don't play when we only get cheater lobbies. Battle Royale can only hide cheaters so much before people realize it's not worth playing at all. Crossplay is killing gaming, consoles are the only option now.
I don't think you understand the point of the video.
OK I guess chronus and xim apexes don't exist.
when proper CFW for ps4 / xbox one comes out, cheaters may become more common
I honestly think it is a naming issue. ps2, ps3, ps4, ps5. It just makes sense. It is an easy and good name with an acronym and it flows off the tongue. 12 yeats ago, we were getting easter eggs in blockbuster movies like Real Steel teasing the 720, it just made sense. Nope, we got the xbox one, even though it was the third xbox. The name was intended to hype up the kinect, which they abandoned anyway after not making any games to support it. And then the xbox one x and xbox one x? Ok, they at least work with what they have now. Then The xbox series s and series x? What? Released a few years apart, totally different generations, even though the names are almost identical. I still find myself explaining to several people a month the difference.
Not to mention they simply do not build enough. I've been thinking about buying an xbox series x for years now, I have the money. But even in 2024 I'd have to go on a freaking crusade to find it, as nobody has it in stock anywhere. Playstation had that problem too but at least in my area they are relatively abundant nowadays.
And the endless bad press 343 is getting with Halo Infinite... it is a joke. As a life long Halo fan I refuse to play that game and so do many others.
Microsoft has definitely been a joke when it comes to naming their consoles, but I think the lack of must-have first-party software is a much bigger issue. Although, the apparent inability to name their consoles sensibly does hint of poor management/leadership.