Styling is probably why. People are split on the looks of the new Accord. I personally like the new Accord, but the 2017 Accord just looked so dam good!! No J35 V6 probably didn't help either.
bb2status Toyota is offering crazy incentives, leasing program and low interest. Buyers in this segment wants deals! Performance is the last thing they care about.
Yes,it looks like it could be a Chevy,really,not nearly as good as the previous year's. Also,there's no coupe available ,which is a terrible idea.Don't know what they were thinking.
ecoRfan almost every reviewer/youtuber/mag rates the accord higher than the top end camry when it comes to performance. that low end torque on the 2.0t keeps pulling throughout the higher rpms. i think most people just look at hp numbers and do not really know how big of a part torque plays on any vehicle.
I would disagree. The new Accord is far better looking. It has better greenhouse to beltline proportions and broad muscular hood. It looks lower, longer, and wider. The front end is so much more dynamic and purposeful.
There is truth to that. The only problem is that Honda V6 VCM engines are failures and ticking time bombs. There is a huge class action lawsuit against Honda V6 engines that have the Variable Cylinder Management. They can't meet the CAFE gas mileage requirements without VCM on their V6 engines, so it's no wonder they are abandoning them.
Honda refuses to compete when it comes to incentives. The never off 0% financing, they wont offer things like free oil changes, and all the other things that Camry offers. I went in to buy this car 3 times this year and they would not go for the offers I made on the 2.0 Sport despite their declining sales. Honda thinks the rules of supply and demand don't apply to them. I will not buy the car at all now because they are so unreasonable. You can't charge top dollar for a car that is not selling. Without demand you have to come off of the price. It's simple economics. Also the Kia Stinger is more sporty and the Camry has better incentives so where does that leave the accord?
No way they are going to offer big offers for the 2nd year of making this car. If honda priced the new vehicels for a big chunk, you would be throwing away residual value away. The new would be competing with the same price as the pre owned market and would bring the accord down in value. Wait another year , most likely the third year before the refresh is the one you can expect the cheapest new car deals. My brother just got a 2018 pilot that I helped him get (ex-l) with 1k down for 395 month lease. Roughly 7 grand off the msrp
Not to mention , the STOP LIGHTS look like a CIVIC STOP LIGHT !!! No more big Engine ! Honda Brass think they got Brass Balls .. The Toyota CAMREY IS THE BEST Way to go . 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
This is the reason choosing the 2018 Camry over the 2018 Accord was a no brainer for me. I went to car shopping during the last quarter of 2017, I was comparing the SE with $27.5k msrp to the Sport 1.5T $26.7k msrp, and I was offered 4.5k off msrp with 0.9% for 60 months on the Camry and 2.5k off msrp with 2.9% for 60 months on the Accord. Monthly payments on the Camry was over $50 less than the Accord. Plus there is 2 year free maintenance on the Camry. The only thing I liked on the Accord was the infotainment system, and the Sport 1.5T lacked a lot of basic features the Camry has that I wanted like blind spot monitor, keyless entry, physical trunk release button on the trunk, automatic rearview dimming mirrors. Those features are available on the EX trim and above, but it was going to cost even more.
@GarageProjects, hey man at 1:08 you said, "Gas prices are down...". Why would vehicles be cheaper if gas prices are down? If anything shouldn't vehicle prices go up since that would hypothetically mean more people would be willing to purchase a car since gas is cheap? In other words, when gas prices are expensive, car sales suffer therefore decrease car prices to entice more customers which is the same as when gas prices are cheap, car sales boom therefore increase car prices not lower them?
Their last gen accords had bad starters and lots of people got pissed cause honda hasn't addressed the issue with a recall! How do I know...I own a 2014 and i have intermittent starter issues! Honda quality is slipping!
No it's just the growing trend of Suv sales. Don't let anyone tell you different. In December Honda sold 42k CRVs and followed the next 2 months after pulling just the same amount. CRV, Pilot and Passport sales are doubling car sales when the Accord and Civics were top of the sales the Suv and Cuvs were lacking in sales. It has nothing to do with design it's just what the market wants.
To me it is the rear look of the Accord that is the big turn off. I don't like the "less-than" and "greater-than" lights design (< >). I also think that it would have been better if they had a hatchback design like the ones on the Buick Regal or the Kia Stinger.
Its toyota wat u tink.honda nissan fucus an speed.toyota lng lasting best resale value world wide.toyota my brand.but i pick honda nissan.over all german over price junk
@@jeffbarton3353 lesson learned never again CVT 2011 Nissan Cube 106,000 mile transmission failed cost me $3500!!!!! for a shitty 1 year or 12000 mile warranty.
@@HB-yq8gy Yuck my friend had the same bill with his Nissan when his tranny blew. Honda and Nissan are known for bad autos. I always buy sticks if i can
But CRV and Civics now have turbo engines too and their sales aren’t suffering.. The coupe version only accounted for 5-10% of sales but that could partly explain why sales are down.
civics have been out longer and weigh less yet have the more powerful versions of both turbo engines, for the first time in history civic has the best engines and the accord borrowed engines for the civic and has no specific enginge for itself, cvt is a huge sell killer, manual in only one trim kill sales, no coupe to get people into the showroom even if it only accounts for 10% of total sales.
I ve been an accord' s big fan for past decade. And I think the design of the new accord is the worst one that I don't even consider to put on the wishing list .
I wanted the accord so bad but even in the sport that I could get in manual it still has the gdi engine. The auto is cvt and that was a deal killer as well. The camry has both port and gdi plus the auto is a normal transmission. In essence I bought the camry by default due to my list of things I did not want.
Actually I love the new accord and I’m don’t understand why there not selling good review I hope they can figure it out with rebates or something I’m saving up to get a sport model
I just purchased a Mazda 6 with the 2.5 normally aspirated. I put 20K per year on my car and I think the simpler platform will get me to 200K with lower cost and less maintainence.
If you like bringing your car in the shop for repairs go with the Mazda is all I’m saying.
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@@scottcolumbo4379 , LMAO... that's what every Honda and Toyota owners says about every single other car manufacturer. Funny how you never hear this from Porsche or Buick owners despite both brands being ranked higher than both Toyota or Honda, year after year. Furthermore, problems reported for every 100 cars: Honda: 140 Mazda: 144 www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehicle-dependability-study Wow, Honda is _SO MUCH MORE_ reliable! You'll never ever be in the repair shop! 😂
Sorry but the 10G is simply hideous. Great interior and features but absolutely hideous exterior design. The Accord really peaked with the 16/17 Touring/Sport which still catches my eye to this day. For the record, I’m no Accord hater having previously owned: 99, 07, 12 and 14 model years as well as the TLX I now have. Unless the MMC version corrects some of the current styling cues, the 10G will never see any time in my garage.
Am a toyota fan.but honda accord is fucking ugly.wen toyota fuck up a style and its ugly say trash it.so am trashing it.i dnt no but accord is getting uglyer ever year
Josh Thomas I was a big fan of the 3G and was pretty disappointed with the styling direction of the 4G. The 9G Accord was the only generation of Accord that made it a viable alternative to its Acura counterpart.
Elon Y. Kim I feel the same. Went out to test drive both Accord and Camry. Tested Accord first and felt that CVT is not bad at all and I liked the turbo. Tested the Camry and I was so disappointed. 1st and 2nd gear of Camry is so horrible. Camry feels cheap compared to Accord (SE vs Sport). In addition Honda sensing works really well even better than a Q7 my family owns. I’d take the Accord it’s a no brainer.
Have owned five Hondas, three CR-Vs, one Civic Sport Touring hatchback, and one Fit. The Fit competes in SCCA auto cross racing. All cars with CVTs. Never had a problem with any of them. So far have been very reliable, and fun to drive.
Its quite simple why the sales are down. Actually its a NO BRIANER! Its UGLY AF!!!!! The exterior has a mismatch of shit going on everywhere. Charger front bumper. Jacked up IMPALA side profile. And a HIDEOUS sonata/Malibu rear end. And Honda fanboys call the Avalon ugly. It does have a large ass grille. However its exterior lines are well proportioned no matter what angle you look at it from. Out of all midsize sedans the Accord has received the worst backlash for its hideous looks while the outgoing 2017 model still looks sexy and non offensive from all angle! There I've summed it ALL up for everyone. Now let the Honda trolls come and start their defense. ill be waiting for TROLL PATROL 83, GET A JOB, J MASONCARS, Oh and cant forget poor old "GOVERNMENT CHEESE"!
It's the styling. That's the reason why the sales down. Second is most people are not convinced that the 2.0t is just as powerful as the V6 even though the 2.0t is faster.
People keep saying the Accord isn’t selling because of the way it looks. Have you guys forgot how the Accord used to looked back in 2003-2012?? It wasn’t a good look, but the numbers were strong. So the styling isn’t the reason.
GarageProjects I like the styling as well. It’s by far the most effort Honda has put into the styling. Previous Accords prior to the 2016 Sport were pretty bland.
You make good points.. but the reason according to the GM at my dealership which is a good friend states people aren't buying due to no V6 and the most important part is it's appearance. I for one don't like it's appearance and V6 isn't available. After waiting almost a year to switch out my 2016 I just couldn't trade mine in. I've written responses that my 2016 V6 touring actually gets much better mileage than the 18. Matter a fact, I took a trip to Utah from southern California and was astounded vehicle registered 56 mpg on flat open hwy on adaptive cruise and 38 climbing mountains. The only thing the 18 had to offer mine doesn't have is head up display, more features for the electric seats and 10 speed trans.. cell phone charger I added on mine for a little over 40 dollars. I did test drive a few other cars with a V6 but not worth their asking price in my opinion. Anyhow, be keeping mine for quite some time.. the funniest thing ive always got a kick out of is that people complained over a radio Knob.. I rarely touch the unit as I use steering wheel controls..
Hard to imagine the V6 having that kind of effect on sales. V6 takers of the Camry are very low. I would imagine that Accord V6 take rate was similarly low.
@@ksorsomeplace I have videos as proving my miles which dealership service dept didn't believe till I showed video's. I don't know if it's an anomaly.. all I can say is that's what I've been getting. I've driven to Sacramento from Los Angeles which is about 423 miles.. I didn't have to refuel till on my way back in Modesto
Hector Raigosa I wasn't questioning the fuel economy. I was questioning rather or not the V6 not being available had a big effect on sales. On my visits to the Toyota factory in Georgetown they said the V6 take rate was very low. I can't remember exactly, but I want to say it was less than 10% of the total output.
@@ksorsomeplace , Gosh, I misunderstood you. Big bigger sorry!. They should have spoken to Honda owners. The V6 is a very reliable engine. I think they need to add the 10 speed and minor refinements. My first car was an Oldsmobile 88 V8 which got roughly 8 miles to the gallon Street and maybe 14 hwy. There's V8s with triple the HP and getting mid 20s and up MPG. I wouldn't put past Honda that they'll redesign the car and bring back the V6.
@Hector Raigosa No worries. I wonder which customers they do talk to. I don't know about a V6 coming back, though. They have spent some development and marketing money for the I4's. But, the automotive industry is anything but predictable.
Is anybody really surprised that sales are down for the Accord? I've had four Accords and loved them and when I was in the market for a new car I looked at it and compared it to the Camry and the Camry won hands down! So I went with the Camry
Simple Adele-The Camry is a much better looking car and has more comfort features than the Accord. They also offer free service for the first 25K miles which is something Honda doesn't do. It's also better on gas mileage than the Accord as well. I have the XLE model and love it. I suggest you test drive the XLE model then drive the Accord and see which one you like better but for me it's Camry hands down
The Camry is higher priced than the Accord, especially in the V6 trims. The Accord represents a better value for the dollar. Standard remote start that is around $499 or more on the Camry.
That’s the main reason I won’t even recommend a new Accord because the death of the NA engines. I do agree that the economy will fluctuate and cars/sedans/hatchbacks will make a return for those who have discontinued them. I also think the new Accord isn’t very sexy looking at all but that’s the beauty of the world, everyone is different and have different views. Also because Honda Sensing is standard when they could make it an optional thing or just leave it off the base model or something.
older 4 cylinders were naturally aspirated vtec which tend to have better long term history than turbo engines. So yeah, 4 cylinder models outsold the v6 by a lot, but it was a beefy, large 4cylinder that fit the Accord well. A 1.5 turbo has power, but is definitely different than the high revving previous engine.
Do not Americans think about the environment? China and the United States are the most polluting countries in the world. Europe, Japan, and Korea are making cars for the global environment. The United States is sticking to big cars and big NA engines because fuel prices are cheap. Americans are too low in consciousness.
@@harper7489 small forced induction engines generally don't reduce fuel consumption. To build a more efficient engine losses have to be reduced not the physical size of the engine. 5000lb vehicles burn a lot of gas because they big and heavy not because it has a big engine. The engines are big and power because of the anount of work they have to do.
This new Accord is ugly.. I drive an Accord and love Accords, but Honda failed with the exterior design on this one (interior looks great however)... I seen this new one pulled up next to the 2017 model at a light and was just horrified at how ugly the new one looked compared to the older model.
Toyota Camry sales are up. All of the sedan market isn’t dying just yet. And its not just because of camry fleet sales. They have those every year. An increase means they are selling more than last year. The overall number is a higher one because of fleet sales, but a increase in overall sales is different. I think it meets more of the desires in the segment. Reliability is huge. Toyota uses D4s port and direct injection. No carbon issues like a straight GDI engine. No turbo either. And honda pricing combine to hurt sales. I wanted an accord 2.0 sport briefly in the manual trans. Its just a more fun engaging drive. But my camry XSE cost me $26500 with a panoramic roof( cant even get that). It had a $31000 sticker. Honda accord with similar sticker they dont want to go under 28500 .so outside of the turbo, the car has way less features for more money. Cant do it. I have dual 8 way power seats, leather, parking sonar, full LEDs, even signals and back up lights. Rear cross traffic braking, heated seats, etc.I would be willing to accept the drop in amenities, but not pay more as well
Thanks for posting this interesting video .. My opinion on the new 2018 Accord.. The first time I saw the 2018 Accord my first reaction was how low the car sits.. WAAAYYY too low. The low stance causes several undesirable problems. 1) Visibility is terrible when you sit this low. 2) Poor visibility jeopardizes safety. I also don't like it when other cars tower over you. 3) Lack of headroom if you are over about 5'10".. Sure Honda tries to compensate for this by making the seat sit lower - basically making you sit on the floor. Very unpleasant/uncomfortable driving position for long and short trips.. 4) When a car is this low it makes it difficult to get in and out of. Hard on the knees/legs and you can get a hernia stooping to get in/out. 4) The Accord has low profile tires which help make car ride terrible. And by hitting a pot hole it is easier to damage the wheel for a expensive repair. Higher profile tire avoid this problem. 5) The same low stance (lower overall height of the vehicle) is a problem with other auto's like SUV and Minivans which keep getting lower with every new model. For these reasons - No way can I buy this Accord. These reasons also may be contributing to the lower sales.
I test drove the Accord, Camry and Mazda 6. I have owned 2 Accords in the past and they were great cars. However, I fell in love with 2018 Mazda 6 Turbo. The car drives like a more expensive car and the interior is outstanding. I didn't care for the interior of the Camry once I sat in it, but the car was fun to drive. Hard choice between the 3. You really can't go wrong with these 3 cars.
The camry is as equally ugly as the new accord. I used to love both vehicles. I drive a 2013 accord. When either car makers make a good looking car then I'm trading it in for 1 of them.
Turbos are fine. Ugly? Personal preference. CVT? Not true. You can get a CVT, a 6 speed manual and a 10 speed automatic. It all depends on what trim you get. As for the engine available in the 2.0 Sport and Touring Accord, it is the same as in the Type R but with a different turbo. It is exceedingly likely that a quick tune or even a special version from Honda will see well past the power #s that the Camry V6 has. The 1.5T can easily do over 200HP so that is a joke. The ONLY thing that I am concerned about is Direct Injection. I have a 10th Gen Civic right now but DI is showing up in everyone's engines and I am more nervous about this one element than anything else.
The rear end of the 2018 design reminds me of the rear end of the Civic. Big reason why I'm not too fond of this new generation. That 2016/17 Accord Sport design is my favorite.
also, declining reliability, dealership rigidity in terms of incentives -- the bottom line is they are relying too much on past reputation... which is fading
I don't know if anyone else has said this in the comments, but after researching the '18 Accord and finding info on Honda Sensing's potential misfires, it was enough for me to take a pass on the '18 Accords. Some people have reported the car suddenly decelerating, and also the wheel being yanked by the lane keeping "assistant". No car as yet can take the place of knowing when or how hard to brake, and instead of Honda allowing for this to be permanently turned off, it will come back on each time the engine is started. The fact that this thing ever does get confused is enough for me. I don't want to gamble my safety on hoping a car will not malfunction and having it slam on the brakes at the wrong time or yank the wheel. Instead of making it an option on the '18 Accords, Honda made it standard, then took this same imperfect tech to the '19 Civics and made it standard there as well so as of the '19's, it can't be avoided in either vehicle. This nanny state mentality that some sensor knows more about driving than humans do who can account for more kinds of input than the sensors can, is flat out dangerous. These sensors are sometimes being erroneously triggered by oncoming cars, by cars changing lanes but the sensor still thinks it needs to rapidly decelerate, by cars turning next to you safely, by the car itself going through some curves, etc. All you need is one time to be the wrong time--not worth the risk. Lane sensors are being triggered by tar lines, by construction areas with mulitple white lines, etc. No thanks to it all. My guess is that sales will continue to tank as long as they insist on forcing this on their cars in its current state. I'd happily owned Hondas for over 20 yrs before I steered away from getting one this year. It was the saddest time for me because I love Hondas. All this driverless business is just not there yet, and to mix driving with a car suddenly deciding to aggressively decelerate or steer is a risky mixture. Who cares how a car looks if it subscribes to the presumptuousness that a car should wrestle control away from the driver based on what a computer thinks is happening while that computer is only able to fixate on a limited number of factors.
Your so right. I hate I bought this car it does slam on brakes for nothing very often and when I forget to turn it off and notice it on, my wife and I bump hands rushing to turn it off. Dangerous cheaply made junk.
I’m currently leasing a ‘16 Accord EX and I have every intention of keeping it once the lease is up. I like the new Accord and it’s nice and all, but I’m happy with what I’ve got.
I wont buy cause cvt and new turbo engine, I've never bought anything but accords and my first 08 crv ,I've had a 84 accord with 490k ,91 accord 380k now has 980k on it ,99 accord 280k ,2000 accord 350k,2005 accord 250k,now 08 crv 70k, I love the 2.2 2.3 and 2.4 engine, was not a fan of the newer 2.4 0w20 ,those engines were not fit for water oil,the tapping noise from factory from valves and dealer said it's normal.its BS ,valves tapping isn't normal ,I worked at honda those engines are not designed for 0w20even though it says to ,stick with 5w20 or 5w30 synthetic, and honda changing from 2.4 to 1.5 2.0 T .already had problems with turbo on them the seals going ,theres a lot of flaws in the new engine always wait a couple years for the bugs to get out and fixed just like any technology out there,these cars are not just engines they are all computer flaws and the software on the new engine are not good
A lot of owners similarly complain about the 18 Accord's dash rattle where the HUD is even if it is not equipped with it. Another common area of rattle is the right corner of the dash. Unfortunately, a lot of dealerships can't fix the annoying problem.
The 1.5L has a fuel dilution problem that Honda isn't fixing. Plus the turbo is still a new design and reliability is not proven. CVT had shown problems in the previous generation
Looking at this video today in 2021, I agree with you. In March of 2017 I was in the market for a new Honda CR-V. When I found out the EXL model had a 1.5L with turbo and a CVT transmission, I was shocked. I could have purchased an LE model, but that didn’t have the options of my 2009 CR-V. This car was for my wife that had a 2006 Accord EXL with 170,000+ miles. I quickly went to Toyota to see what they have. I ended up purchasing a 2017 Toyota RAV4 XLE. I spent $26.5k on my 2009 Crv, 4 WD in Sept. of 2009. The Toyota in 2017 was $26.1k and it was 2 WD. Since 2009 the 4WD has actuated 2 times, for this reason I purchased the 2WD version of the Toyota. The 2WD version was hard to find in March of 2017, but one was located in Calumet City, Illinois. My Toyota has 50,000 miles and is doing quite well, no issues at all. It’s nice not to do the rear end maintenance that most people don’t do on their 4WD cars. The Toyota came with adaptive cruise and lane hold, which was only on the top of the line Honda’s and was standard on all the Toyota RAV4’s. I think you should do a followup on this video to compare what happened and how the change to smaller engines has affected Honda. Thanks…Jim PS……currently my buy Honda is a Civic with a naturally aspirated 2.0L engine.
the torque in the 2.0t makes the new accord pull. it feels great since it happens around 1600rpm and you can still feel it pull at higher rpms instead of it tapering off
Honda took a huge gamble on the styling, and it's love it hate it. And it got $$$$. Plus people know CVTs and turbo DFI engines are known to fail. Since, as you stated, Honda buyers drive their cars into the dirt, I can see why they might be leary. I have several friends that have older Accords, with well over 200k on them, and other than the cam phaser issue, have never had a problem with them.
A bigger vehicle that is based on the Civic and handles far worse. Of course mostly male enthusiasts would pick that out, the rest of the soccer moms would be happy in their CR-V...
CR-V is not really bigger, interior passenger volume on the CR-V is 102.9 cu ft, Accord is 102.7 cu ft, exterior wise Accord is a whopping 11 inches longer but 10 inches shorter, width is the same.
A few months ago I was looking for a new car for my wife, the accord was on top of my list, the big turn off was the smallish gas tank, barely more than 14 gallons? No Thank you, if there is one thing that I hate in a car is the limited range. I bought her a Subaru Legacy Limited, She loves it, and the all wheel traction is a big plus in the winter in New York. And it has an 18 and half gallons fuel capacity.
the accord to me us not beautiful and it happen that the new camry is beautiful. most car buyers are not car guys who compare specs. most people will buy a car because its reliable. but believe me the styling is a big factor too. in the 90's a lot of hyundai mini vans (starex) were smuggled in the philippines. no authorized dealer and no service center and people are buying them because they are beautiful. and listen to this, that hyundai mini van ended up being the best seller beating the sales of the top 3 combined (toyota, nissan and mitsubishi). and lets not go far. look how much mini cooper there are on the road despite being expensive and unreliable, people buy them because they are cute
Totally agree with you. I purchased a 2017 Coupe for the engine over the new 2018 four door sport. Since I turn in my 2014 leased sport. No way could I buy the 2018 with turbo , to risky. Plus new Accord looks like a Chevy Impala.
2017 looks great and the 2018 to finance is so much much money and the style isn’t that great oh yea and you can get the new Camry for a better deal everywhere in Fl.
I am uncomfortably buying a turbo. When I see the turbo consistently going past 200,000 miles without issues, I will consider the Honda. In the meantime, I can buy the known quantity known as Toyota.
Robert Johnson, I hear you and understand your concern but keep in mind Honda actually has quite a bit of history with their S2000 which was turbo charged and very reliable. Reliability is a top concern and focus for Automakers like Toyota and Honda as evidenced by their consistent high marks. I’m confident overall that while a turbo engine may not be as trouble free as a NA engine the Honda turbos should do well to at least 100k. A bigger concern to me is the carbon buildup in direct injection engines that will require extensive service at around 60k. Toyota is the only one so far to figure that out using dual injection which eliminates that.
You know when a new bodystyle comes out and you meet side by side at a light and you feel really jealous inside? I dont get that feeling at all when next to a 2018 Accord. My 17 Touring looks drop dead gorgeous compared to it. I mean the exterior is just ugly as hell. My brother in law laughed at the 2018 accord and thought it was nothing more of a joke. Honda i wont be upgrading til you fix that abomination of a body. Its hideous and makes my eyes hurt. Just get rid of it. But on other hand ill be looking into another manufacturer :)
You know what's funny is the body style is the same except a strong curve on the C-Pillar and placement of the windows. Less plastic on the front end, lower and wider with no honeycomb plastic. The frame is pretty much identical if you just lessen the curve on the C-Pillar. Interior design the 2018 destroys the 2017 by far. And that is where you will be spending all your time.
The styling is difficult to get past, I want to like it. It's an excellent value, especially the 2.0t sport. I think I would rather pay a few grand more for a front drive tlx with v6.
Its simple. The previous Accord design was phenomenal. Also, this Accord looks 80 percent like the Civic. Also, the new Camry just destroys the Accord with its styling. At the moment, Civic=Accord. They look the same.
Your points are good but you also failed to mention competition.Nissan,Toyota, Mazda, Kia, and Hyundai are all making sedans that offer a better value and in many cases, a better looking car. Mazda 6 and new Altima are way ahead of the Accord. The Korean cars have a better warranty so until Honda improves the looks, they will be losing sales to the competition.
My only problem is the price $27,000 for a base model at Fort Worth of Honda I just can't afford it especially with me owning a house plus I miss they being at $19,000 to $24.000 andnow I just see them as overpriced. I'm going to go pick up a 2015 model for less than $13,000 and I can afford that.
Kieth_Singleton2011 Singleton Agreed, there are also many other car options for less than $18K that give you pretty good value. I’m not saying Honda’s are not worth it. But people do have to stick to budgets as well.
@@KikiNation1 for me I just don't need all the whistles that they add and I would be good with a true base model or at least give me the option of pulling things off that I don't need like Lane warning or automatic braking when someone's in front of you.
I am an owner of an 18 Accord Sport. Manual transmission is amazing in the Accord. Boy was one hard to find. As a shopper I dont think pictures did the car justice. It looks great in person and I always get tons of compliments. I am about to make my 3rd car payment and have absolutely no regrets. It is comfortable, drives great, and gets fantastic gas mileage.
I'd walk away from the CVT, too. A friend recently bought a new car. She asked me whether she should look at an Accord. I said, "sure, but be sure to check out the Avalon first". She did and settled on the Toyota quickly. Bought in a neighboring state and "saved" almost 2K over the best price she could negotiate here. Personally I would likely have gone for a Camry with the 4 cylinder at a lower price point even though the exterior styling is ugly.
I mostly agree with you. No one with any sense will dispute the fact that the vast majority of buyers are choosing utility vehicles, whether it be CUV, SUV, or truck... and that is obviously going to affect passenger car sales. That said, the new turbo engines are also definitely playing a roll, although I don't believe long term quality will go down. Honda makes the best engines in the industry, in my opinion, and whether or not it has a turbo makes no difference. They engineer them to withstand the higher demand required, so that simply isn't a problem. At the end of the day, it comes down to preference. Do you like turbos or not? In any case, it won't matter for very much longer because engine downsizing will eventually permeate the entire market.
A lot of good points were made it definitely appears there's a lot of variables involved of why sales might be down. one though I haven't heard mentioned is that as a whole this could be a sign of the Future car sales are going to go down. Millennials could be the first generation with there's a percentage of that generation that will never own a car because of companies like uber and Lyft when you can get a ride anytime you want at the touch of an app on your smartphone. Millennials are the generation where parents never let them out of their sites. they were chaperone and given rides to school, soccer games, etc. so it was natural for Millennials to embrace the right sharing industry. Especially if you live in a city you really don't need a car anymore.
If you want a naturally aspirated engine go drive a Camry 2.5 litre. Give yourself a mile to get going though, If the vibrations don't kill you the semi behind you will.
As a car salesman ive had a tad over 30 from last month traded in. The owners complained about issues and the exterior styling. One customer said he couldn't deal with the styling. He traded it in on a competetior vehicle. But he lost big time with money.😥 im not here to judge but ACCORDS AINT PRETTY NO MORE!😂
You know that feeling when you buy a car and you see the next generation pull up beside you and you get kinda jealous? I drive a '14 and this doesn't happen to me seeing an '18 and its a great feeling because the '18 looks weird.
I agree with you. Especially on the point of not having a naturally aspirated engine choice; also dropping the V6! I also am a Honda owner - driving the 2015 Accord V6 in black on black. I’m warming up a little to the design change, and fairly impressed with the engineering being utilized in the new model; larger trunk space, backseats, led lighting, etc. But I don’t think I’ll be trading up for awhile however. Appreciate the video; wouldn’t mind seeing more of the car & or driving...👍
I have a 2016 Accord and I love it😎the styling is so good and I still get compliments. My body style just can’t be beat. Honda made the 2018 so ugly. Change the body style see the sales go up. Just that simple. The new body style stopped me from upgrading myself. This guy needs to stop using excuses the 2018 car is just plain ugly.
Styling is probably why. People are split on the looks of the new Accord. I personally like the new Accord, but the 2017 Accord just looked so dam good!! No J35 V6 probably didn't help either.
bb2status Toyota is offering crazy incentives, leasing program and low interest. Buyers in this segment wants deals! Performance is the last thing they care about.
Wade H I like that Camry XSE V-6. But apparently the Accord Sport/Touring is faster despite less horsepower.
Yes,it looks like it could be a Chevy,really,not nearly as good as the previous year's. Also,there's no coupe available ,which is a terrible idea.Don't know what they were thinking.
ecoRfan almost every reviewer/youtuber/mag rates the accord higher than the top end camry when it comes to performance. that low end torque on the 2.0t keeps pulling throughout the higher rpms. i think most people just look at hp numbers and do not really know how big of a part torque plays on any vehicle.
I would disagree. The new Accord is far better looking. It has better greenhouse to beltline proportions and broad muscular hood. It looks lower, longer, and wider. The front end is so much more dynamic and purposeful.
I don't like the fact there is no V6 too much stress on these small engines
There is truth to that. The only problem is that Honda V6 VCM engines are failures and ticking time bombs. There is a huge class action lawsuit against Honda V6 engines that have the Variable Cylinder Management.
They can't meet the CAFE gas mileage requirements without VCM on their V6 engines, so it's no wonder they are abandoning them.
You must be older than *40* with that bullshit comment. The *1.5 with turbo* has *faster* acceleration, *better* mpg, and are way *more* reliable.
@Jimmy Pisciotta Honda used a 1.5/1.6 through the 90's. And I still see those cars on the road daily.
Hey everybody, this guy's car still runs so they all do.
His first car was a V6 Mustang. 💩
Bought a new 17 accord v6 last month. You can still find them new and get a great deal on them if you wanted to. I don't care for the look of the 18.
Definitely some great deals still out there.
You did good
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The 16/17 Accord Touring... one of the best looking cars that has ever existed imo. Those daytime running lights are to die for.
Yeah but you stand out like the rest , at least with 18 model you stand out different
Its horrendous looking.
Honda refuses to compete when it comes to incentives. The never off 0% financing, they wont offer things like free oil changes, and all the other things that Camry offers. I went in to buy this car 3 times this year and they would not go for the offers I made on the 2.0 Sport despite their declining sales. Honda thinks the rules of supply and demand don't apply to them. I will not buy the car at all now because they are so unreasonable. You can't charge top dollar for a car that is not selling. Without demand you have to come off of the price. It's simple economics. Also the Kia Stinger is more sporty and the Camry has better incentives so where does that leave the accord?
Some dealers offer free oil changes and free loaners
No way they are going to offer big offers for the 2nd year of making this car. If honda priced the new vehicels for a big chunk, you would be throwing away residual value away. The new would be competing with the same price as the pre owned market and would bring the accord down in value. Wait another year , most likely the third year before the refresh is the one you can expect the cheapest new car deals. My brother just got a 2018 pilot that I helped him get (ex-l) with 1k down for 395 month lease. Roughly 7 grand off the msrp
Not to mention , the STOP LIGHTS look like a CIVIC STOP LIGHT !!! No more big Engine !
Honda Brass think they got Brass Balls ..
The Toyota CAMREY IS THE BEST Way to go . 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
This is the reason choosing the 2018 Camry over the 2018 Accord was a no brainer for me. I went to car shopping during the last quarter of 2017, I was comparing the SE with $27.5k msrp to the Sport 1.5T $26.7k msrp, and I was offered 4.5k off msrp with 0.9% for 60 months on the Camry and 2.5k off msrp with 2.9% for 60 months on the Accord. Monthly payments on the Camry was over $50 less than the Accord. Plus there is 2 year free maintenance on the Camry. The only thing I liked on the Accord was the infotainment system, and the Sport 1.5T lacked a lot of basic features the Camry has that I wanted like blind spot monitor, keyless entry, physical trunk release button on the trunk, automatic rearview dimming mirrors. Those features are available on the EX trim and above, but it was going to cost even more.
Camry has free 25,000 miles service or first 5 services. That's really a good deal.
Lobster claw taillights , no more V6 or coupe.... only thing I like about the 18 is the interior...
@GarageProjects, hey man at 1:08 you said, "Gas prices are down...". Why would vehicles be cheaper if gas prices are down? If anything shouldn't vehicle prices go up since that would hypothetically mean more people would be willing to purchase a car since gas is cheap?
In other words, when gas prices are expensive, car sales suffer therefore decrease car prices to entice more customers which is the same as when gas prices are cheap, car sales boom therefore increase car prices not lower them?
Affordability. Look at those tires, they aren't cheap to replace plus ride quality suffers with bigger wheels.
Haha. Lobster chicken claw taillights. Its Horrible looking.
I'm a Accord fan but I won't buy another one until they step there game up!
Camry interior is better ..... shocking
The 2017 was the last good looking Accord!
David G Yes
2007*
Agreed.
I agree... because that's what I drive [LOL].
I personally like the new accord
Their last gen accords had bad starters and lots of people got pissed cause honda hasn't addressed the issue with a recall! How do I know...I own a 2014 and i have intermittent starter issues! Honda quality is slipping!
One of the reasons the 2018 Accord is not selling is because of the Ugly back end the tail lights make it look like a Honda civic.
No it's just the growing trend of Suv sales. Don't let anyone tell you different. In December Honda sold 42k CRVs and followed the next 2 months after pulling just the same amount. CRV, Pilot and Passport sales are doubling car sales when the Accord and Civics were top of the sales the Suv and Cuvs were lacking in sales. It has nothing to do with design it's just what the market wants.
To me it is the rear look of the Accord that is the big turn off. I don't like the "less-than" and "greater-than" lights design (< >). I also think that it would have been better if they had a hatchback design like the ones on the Buick Regal or the Kia Stinger.
Kia Stinger is a good looking car!
I think the 2014 Accord looks the best!
The hatchback route is not a bad route. That, they should explore.
I Agree back lights SUCK !!!!!!
Go with a CAMREY - Hot
Meanwhile, Camry sales holding strong
Its toyota wat u tink.honda nissan fucus an speed.toyota lng lasting best resale value world wide.toyota my brand.but i pick honda nissan.over all german over price junk
camry spiced it up with a new aggressive design, they deserve the sales. honda reverted back.
Camry sales down too, the segment is shrinking
And BMW is still on top
Rental car sales.
CVT , TURBO AND UGLY DESIGN
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Oh hell they went cvt too? Why honda why?! Even if could afford it I wouldnt buy just on that alone and i love honda
@@jeffbarton3353 lesson learned never again CVT 2011 Nissan Cube 106,000 mile transmission failed cost me $3500!!!!! for a shitty 1 year or 12000 mile warranty.
@@HB-yq8gy Yuck my friend had the same bill with his Nissan when his tranny blew. Honda and Nissan are known for bad autos. I always buy sticks if i can
The sport model has a ten speed auto, not a cvt
Most of the people who were buying Accords, are buying CRVs and RAV 4s. The crossovers simply offer a lot more, as well nearly identical MPGs.
They dont trust their new unproven turbo powered engines. Thats why. More maintenance? Reliability? Who knows. Theyre new.
I will keep you updated on the reliability of mine!
I heard they a being recalled for bad rings letting gas in the crankcase! Sorry turbos are a pita! Requires much maintenance than n:a!
But CRV and Civics now have turbo engines too and their sales aren’t suffering.. The coupe version only accounted for 5-10% of sales but that could partly explain why sales are down.
civics have been out longer and weigh less yet have the more powerful versions of both turbo engines, for the first time in history civic has the best engines and the accord borrowed engines for the civic and has no specific enginge for itself, cvt is a huge sell killer, manual in only one trim kill sales, no coupe to get people into the showroom even if it only accounts for 10% of total sales.
I ve been an accord' s big fan for past decade. And I think the design of the new accord is the worst one that I don't even consider to put on the wishing list .
Concur. It looks ugly as hell. I love driving my 2016 sport model.
I wanted the accord so bad but even in the sport that I could get in manual it still has the gdi engine. The auto is cvt and that was a deal killer as well. The camry has both port and gdi plus the auto is a normal transmission. In essence I bought the camry by default due to my list of things I did not want.
It’s down because they rounded off the roof in the back. They should of stuck with the accord look as opposed to getting sucked into the trend.
Go look at every sedan. The all are fast backs now.
They need to put all wheel drive as an option
That would pull from the Acura sales.
For what? why do you need awd?
Hearing sales are actually down really surprises me, considering the amount of them I see every day, way more than i see Camrys
Actually I love the new accord and I’m don’t understand why there not selling good review I hope they can figure it out with rebates or something I’m saving up to get a sport model
I would leverage their down sales year as a bargaining chip at the dealership. I love my 1.5L sport.
I just purchased a Mazda 6 with the 2.5 normally aspirated. I put 20K per year on my car and I think the simpler platform will get me to 200K with lower cost and less maintainence.
Smart choice and beautiful to look at , amazing to drive and actually build in Japan not Kentucky
It’s a Mazda, had two, not a fan. Took my chance on Honda’s quality reputation.
If you like bringing your car in the shop for repairs go with the Mazda is all I’m saying.
@@scottcolumbo4379 , LMAO... that's what every Honda and Toyota owners says about every single other car manufacturer.
Funny how you never hear this from Porsche or Buick owners despite both brands being ranked higher than both Toyota or Honda, year after year.
Furthermore, problems reported for every 100 cars:
Honda: 140
Mazda: 144
www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehicle-dependability-study
Wow, Honda is _SO MUCH MORE_ reliable! You'll never ever be in the repair shop! 😂
As a 9th gen accord owner i honestly looked forward to the 10th gen until i saw how ugly it is so i think its not selling on that alone.
Sorry but the 10G is simply hideous. Great interior and features but absolutely hideous exterior design. The Accord really peaked with the 16/17 Touring/Sport which still catches my eye to this day.
For the record, I’m no Accord hater having previously owned: 99, 07, 12 and 14 model years as well as the TLX I now have. Unless the MMC version corrects some of the current styling cues, the 10G will never see any time in my garage.
Am a toyota fan.but honda accord is fucking ugly.wen toyota fuck up a style and its ugly say trash it.so am trashing it.i dnt no but accord is getting uglyer ever year
F23A4 Accord I thought they peaked in 1992
Josh Thomas I was a big fan of the 3G and was pretty disappointed with the styling direction of the 4G.
The 9G Accord was the only generation of Accord that made it a viable alternative to its Acura counterpart.
I have a 16 Sport. I never thought I would own an Accord. To me , yes , 16/17 are the best looking Accords hands down.
CVT is a big turn down for me. Many are saying the reliability is an issue, but most people I know they still want to believe in Honda.
Elon Y. Kim I feel the same. Went out to test drive both Accord and Camry. Tested Accord first and felt that CVT is not bad at all and I liked the turbo. Tested the Camry and I was so disappointed. 1st and 2nd gear of Camry is so horrible. Camry feels cheap compared to Accord (SE vs Sport).
In addition Honda sensing works really well even better than a Q7 my family owns.
I’d take the Accord it’s a no brainer.
Have owned five Hondas, three CR-Vs, one Civic Sport Touring hatchback, and one Fit. The Fit competes in SCCA auto cross racing. All cars with CVTs. Never had a problem with any of them. So far have been very reliable, and fun to drive.
Skip the CVT transmissions garbage never but another one.
learn how to drive a manual, 4 door sedans with a manual are rare nowadays
New Accord looks ugly....
Have the 2014..👍👍👍
Art D what do u think about the performance Compared to model u have ? I also have the 2015 accord v6
Art D I got the 2013 and I love it ❤️
Its quite simple why the sales are down. Actually its a NO BRIANER! Its UGLY AF!!!!! The exterior has a mismatch of shit going on everywhere. Charger front bumper. Jacked up IMPALA side profile. And a HIDEOUS sonata/Malibu rear end. And Honda fanboys call the Avalon ugly. It does have a large ass grille. However its exterior lines are well proportioned no matter what angle you look at it from. Out of all midsize sedans the Accord has received the worst backlash for its hideous looks while the outgoing 2017 model still looks sexy and non offensive from all angle! There I've summed it ALL up for everyone. Now let the Honda trolls come and start their defense. ill be waiting for TROLL PATROL 83, GET A JOB, J MASONCARS, Oh and cant forget poor old "GOVERNMENT CHEESE"!
your V6 Accord on your channel does look nice though. I like that silver. And I must agree the 2018s are ugly as sin.
@@janelynch7493 thnx
All those people you mentioned are the same person except j masoncar s 😂😂😂
One should remain silent and let others think of you as a moron , than to speak and remove all doubt .
@@G17-911 you bought one of those ugly overpriced things?
It's the styling. That's the reason why the sales down. Second is most people are not convinced that the 2.0t is just as powerful as the V6 even though the 2.0t is faster.
People keep saying the Accord isn’t selling because of the way it looks. Have you guys forgot how the Accord used to looked back in 2003-2012?? It wasn’t a good look, but the numbers were strong. So the styling isn’t the reason.
I agree. I personally love the styling.
GarageProjects I like the styling as well. It’s by far the most effort Honda has put into the styling. Previous Accords prior to the 2016 Sport were pretty bland.
You make good points.. but the reason according to the GM at my dealership which is a good friend states people aren't buying due to no V6 and the most important part is it's appearance. I for one don't like it's appearance and V6 isn't available. After waiting almost a year to switch out my 2016 I just couldn't trade mine in. I've written responses that my 2016 V6 touring actually gets much better mileage than the 18. Matter a fact, I took a trip to Utah from southern California and was astounded vehicle registered 56 mpg on flat open hwy on adaptive cruise and 38 climbing mountains. The only thing the 18 had to offer mine doesn't have is head up display, more features for the electric seats and 10 speed trans.. cell phone charger I added on mine for a little over 40 dollars. I did test drive a few other cars with a V6 but not worth their asking price in my opinion. Anyhow, be keeping mine for quite some time.. the funniest thing ive always got a kick out of is that people complained over a radio Knob.. I rarely touch the unit as I use steering wheel controls..
Hard to imagine the V6 having that kind of effect on sales. V6 takers of the Camry are very low. I would imagine that Accord V6 take rate was similarly low.
@@ksorsomeplace I have videos as proving my miles which dealership service dept didn't believe till I showed video's. I don't know if it's an anomaly.. all I can say is that's what I've been getting. I've driven to Sacramento from Los Angeles which is about 423 miles.. I didn't have to refuel till on my way back in Modesto
Hector Raigosa I wasn't questioning the fuel economy. I was questioning rather or not the V6 not being available had a big effect on sales. On my visits to the Toyota factory in Georgetown they said the V6 take rate was very low. I can't remember exactly, but I want to say it was less than 10% of the total output.
@@ksorsomeplace , Gosh, I misunderstood you. Big bigger sorry!. They should have spoken to Honda owners. The V6 is a very reliable engine. I think they need to add the 10 speed and minor refinements. My first car was an Oldsmobile 88 V8 which got roughly 8 miles to the gallon Street and maybe 14 hwy. There's V8s with triple the HP and getting mid 20s and up MPG. I wouldn't put past Honda that they'll redesign the car and bring back the V6.
@Hector Raigosa No worries. I wonder which customers they do talk to. I don't know about a V6 coming back, though. They have spent some development and marketing money for the I4's. But, the automotive industry is anything but predictable.
Is anybody really surprised that sales are down for the Accord? I've had four Accords and loved them and when I was in the market for a new car I looked at it and compared it to the Camry and the Camry won hands down! So I went with the Camry
I've test driven both. Camry is definitely built more for comfortability. Accord has better styling personally. Congrats on your new car!
Camry is a great car! Enjoy!
Why did you go with the Camry? I'm considering an Accord. Maybe I should look at the Camry, too.
Simple Adele-The Camry is a much better looking car and has more comfort features than the Accord. They also offer free service for the first 25K miles which is something Honda doesn't do. It's also better on gas mileage than the Accord as well. I have the XLE model and love it. I suggest you test drive the XLE model then drive the Accord and see which one you like better but for me it's Camry hands down
The Camry is higher priced than the Accord, especially in the V6 trims. The Accord represents a better value for the dollar. Standard remote start that is around $499 or more on the Camry.
New Altima looks MUCH netter to me.
I fully AGREE!!
That’s the main reason I won’t even recommend a new Accord because the death of the NA engines. I do agree that the economy will fluctuate and cars/sedans/hatchbacks will make a return for those who have discontinued them. I also think the new Accord isn’t very sexy looking at all but that’s the beauty of the world, everyone is different and have different views. Also because Honda Sensing is standard when they could make it an optional thing or just leave it off the base model or something.
Not sure but I'm guessing turbo sad to much maintainance
if they would make sedan like they used to be...BOXY, UPRIGHT ROOFLINE, BIG WINDOWS, SIMPLE, LOW BELTLINES.....they would sell.
They sold more 4 cylinders historically. I bought a 03 accord that didn’t have any issues for 293k miles. I believe styling is killing it
People seem to hate it or love it. I personally love my 2018 accord, but understand other peoples hesitations.
It is
Did you have the v6 in the 03? I got the same year v6 188k got a trans cooler on it and fluid stays red have had it 3000 miles not problems
302 diamond state EXL v6..regret selling it
older 4 cylinders were naturally aspirated vtec which tend to have better long term history than turbo engines. So yeah, 4 cylinder models outsold the v6 by a lot, but it was a beefy, large 4cylinder that fit the Accord well. A 1.5 turbo has power, but is definitely different than the high revving previous engine.
Anyone looking for reliability will want a Naturally Asperated engine. (No turbo, no supercharger)
Do not Americans think about the environment?
China and the United States are the most polluting countries in the world.
Europe, Japan, and Korea are making cars for the global environment.
The United States is sticking to big cars and big NA engines because fuel prices are cheap.
Americans are too low in consciousness.
Reliability has gone down, the design doesn't look eye-catching. Interior looks cheap from the radio to the dash, handles etc. I move on to Toyota.
@@harper7489 small forced induction engines generally don't reduce fuel consumption. To build a more efficient engine losses have to be reduced not the physical size of the engine. 5000lb vehicles burn a lot of gas because they big and heavy not because it has a big engine. The engines are big and power because of the anount of work they have to do.
This new Accord is ugly.. I drive an Accord and love Accords, but Honda failed with the exterior design on this one (interior looks great however)... I seen this new one pulled up next to the 2017 model at a light and was just horrified at how ugly the new one looked compared to the older model.
Baasil F. That’s funny my friend with a 2017 Accord loves the look of the new Honda.
I own a 2006 Accord SE and love it. I am very sorry i didn't get the 2017 Accord love the looks inside and out . there will not be 2018 in my garage.
wallace douglas The 7G is the best.
Eduj especially the refresh with the triangle taillights
I agree the 2018s are ugly
What turned me off was the CVT and a turbo thats new for that car. Too many uncertainties
Definitely a factor for a lot of people!
Give me a port injected 2.0 civic over a turbo Accord. Safe bet.
Give it time, all cars will have a CVT transmission because of ease of repair and virtually no maintenance.
Toyota Camry sales are up. All of the sedan market isn’t dying just yet. And its not just because of camry fleet sales. They have those every year. An increase means they are selling more than last year. The overall number is a higher one because of fleet sales, but a increase in overall sales is different. I think it meets more of the desires in the segment. Reliability is huge. Toyota uses D4s port and direct injection. No carbon issues like a straight GDI engine. No turbo either. And honda pricing combine to hurt sales. I wanted an accord 2.0 sport briefly in the manual trans. Its just a more fun engaging drive. But my camry XSE cost me $26500 with a panoramic roof( cant even get that). It had a $31000 sticker. Honda accord with similar sticker they dont want to go under 28500 .so outside of the turbo, the car has way less features for more money. Cant do it. I have dual 8 way power seats, leather, parking sonar, full LEDs, even signals and back up lights. Rear cross traffic braking, heated seats, etc.I would be willing to accept the drop in amenities, but not pay more as well
where do you live? in central florida you can find 2.0 sport accords for $27k.
I've not seen any Camry in my area with any near that high of a discount.
Camrys are not selling. The RAV, Highlander, and 4R are selling like hotcakes.
Could not have said it better!
@@user-tb7rn1il3q We will see for how long, the oil bulls have control of the market ATM
Thanks for posting this interesting video .. My opinion on the new 2018 Accord.. The first time I saw the 2018 Accord my first reaction was how low the car sits.. WAAAYYY too low. The low stance causes several undesirable problems. 1) Visibility is terrible when you sit this low. 2) Poor visibility jeopardizes safety. I also don't like it when other cars tower over you. 3) Lack of headroom if you are over about 5'10".. Sure Honda tries to compensate for this by making the seat sit lower - basically making you sit on the floor. Very unpleasant/uncomfortable driving position for long and short trips.. 4) When a car is this low it makes it difficult to get in and out of. Hard on the knees/legs and you can get a hernia stooping to get in/out. 4) The Accord has low profile tires which help make car ride terrible. And by hitting a pot hole it is easier to damage the wheel for a expensive repair. Higher profile tire avoid this problem. 5) The same low stance (lower overall height of the vehicle) is a problem with other auto's like SUV and Minivans which keep getting lower with every new model. For these reasons - No way can I buy this Accord. These reasons also may be contributing to the lower sales.
I agree. My wife has owned Accords and TL's for twenty years, but after sitting in the 2018, she started looking for something else.
I test drove the Accord, Camry and Mazda 6. I have owned 2 Accords in the past and they were great cars. However, I fell in love with 2018 Mazda 6 Turbo. The car drives like a more expensive car and the interior is outstanding. I didn't care for the interior of the Camry once I sat in it, but the car was fun to drive. Hard choice between the 3. You really can't go wrong with these 3 cars.
Turbo = not reliable. Ugly, CVT, no V6. Camry = reliable NA engine, nice looking, 200hp 4 cyl and 300 hp V6.
The camry is as equally ugly as the new accord. I used to love both vehicles. I drive a 2013 accord. When either car makers make a good looking car then I'm trading it in for 1 of them.
I have to agree; Also, I've always thought that the 2GR was superior to the J35.
You know something has gone wrong in the styling department when Kia makes better looking cars.
I agree with you, you are absolutely right
Turbos are fine.
Ugly? Personal preference.
CVT? Not true. You can get a CVT, a 6 speed manual and a 10 speed automatic. It all depends on what trim you get.
As for the engine available in the 2.0 Sport and Touring Accord, it is the same as in the Type R but with a different turbo. It is exceedingly likely that a quick tune or even a special version from Honda will see well past the power #s that the Camry V6 has. The 1.5T can easily do over 200HP so that is a joke.
The ONLY thing that I am concerned about is Direct Injection. I have a 10th Gen Civic right now but DI is showing up in everyone's engines and I am more nervous about this one element than anything else.
Mazda 6 and Koreans are doing very well. Tesla model 3 is rising. Small german sedans are doing okay, ppl are not happy with the accord
The rear end of the 2018 design reminds me of the rear end of the Civic. Big reason why I'm not too fond of this new generation. That 2016/17 Accord Sport design is my favorite.
also, declining reliability, dealership rigidity in terms of incentives -- the bottom line is they are relying too much on past reputation... which is fading
Google Ricky from the group new edition the front of the new accord looks just like his forehead 😂
The only factor is that it's dam ugly!!!!
I don't know if anyone else has said this in the comments, but after researching the '18 Accord and finding info on Honda Sensing's potential misfires, it was enough for me to take a pass on the '18 Accords. Some people have reported the car suddenly decelerating, and also the wheel being yanked by the lane keeping "assistant". No car as yet can take the place of knowing when or how hard to brake, and instead of Honda allowing for this to be permanently turned off, it will come back on each time the engine is started. The fact that this thing ever does get confused is enough for me. I don't want to gamble my safety on hoping a car will not malfunction and having it slam on the brakes at the wrong time or yank the wheel. Instead of making it an option on the '18 Accords, Honda made it standard, then took this same imperfect tech to the '19 Civics and made it standard there as well so as of the '19's, it can't be avoided in either vehicle. This nanny state mentality that some sensor knows more about driving than humans do who can account for more kinds of input than the sensors can, is flat out dangerous. These sensors are sometimes being erroneously triggered by oncoming cars, by cars changing lanes but the sensor still thinks it needs to rapidly decelerate, by cars turning next to you safely, by the car itself going through some curves, etc. All you need is one time to be the wrong time--not worth the risk. Lane sensors are being triggered by tar lines, by construction areas with mulitple white lines, etc. No thanks to it all. My guess is that sales will continue to tank as long as they insist on forcing this on their cars in its current state. I'd happily owned Hondas for over 20 yrs before I steered away from getting one this year. It was the saddest time for me because I love Hondas. All this driverless business is just not there yet, and to mix driving with a car suddenly deciding to aggressively decelerate or steer is a risky mixture. Who cares how a car looks if it subscribes to the presumptuousness that a car should wrestle control away from the driver based on what a computer thinks is happening while that computer is only able to fixate on a limited number of factors.
Your so right. I hate I bought this car it does slam on brakes for nothing very often and when I forget to turn it off and notice it on, my wife and I bump hands rushing to turn it off. Dangerous cheaply made junk.
I’m currently leasing a ‘16 Accord EX and I have every intention of keeping it once the lease is up. I like the new Accord and it’s nice and all, but I’m happy with what I’ve got.
I wont buy cause cvt and new turbo engine, I've never bought anything but accords and my first 08 crv ,I've had a 84 accord with 490k ,91 accord 380k now has 980k on it ,99 accord 280k ,2000 accord 350k,2005 accord 250k,now 08 crv 70k, I love the 2.2 2.3 and 2.4 engine, was not a fan of the newer 2.4 0w20 ,those engines were not fit for water oil,the tapping noise from factory from valves and dealer said it's normal.its BS ,valves tapping isn't normal ,I worked at honda those engines are not designed for 0w20even though it says to ,stick with 5w20 or 5w30 synthetic, and honda changing from 2.4 to 1.5 2.0 T .already had problems with turbo on them the seals going ,theres a lot of flaws in the new engine always wait a couple years for the bugs to get out and fixed just like any technology out there,these cars are not just engines they are all computer flaws and the software on the new engine are not good
I had 2004, 2008, and 2017 Accord, love all of them. Me, I hate this new body, back end looked ugly.
danh dan Yeah ! Honda Accord 2018 make me cry ... 😀😀😀
A lot of owners similarly complain about the 18 Accord's dash rattle where the HUD is even if it is not equipped with it. Another common area of rattle is the right corner of the dash. Unfortunately, a lot of dealerships can't fix the annoying problem.
Yeah Honda dealer don't want to fix, and Honda Manufacture still haven't solution to fix those damn rattle noise inside and outside.
Mine 2014 having rattles sound don’t know come out from where? Very annoying..Finally sold..
The 1.5L has a fuel dilution problem that Honda isn't fixing. Plus the turbo is still a new design and reliability is not proven. CVT had shown problems in the previous generation
Very good point. Not many know about that issue. It's the same with the crv.
The fastback styling is a deal breaker for me. I can't sit straight up in the back seat.
Ugly front end. Period. And it's not even a "distinct" kind of ugly.
That’s why I’m keeping my 2015 V6 6 speed.
Looking at this video today in 2021, I agree with you. In March of 2017 I was in the market for a new Honda CR-V. When I found out the EXL model had a 1.5L with turbo and a CVT transmission, I was shocked. I could have purchased an LE model, but that didn’t have the options of my 2009 CR-V. This car was for my wife that had a 2006 Accord EXL with 170,000+ miles. I quickly went to Toyota to see what they have. I ended up purchasing a 2017 Toyota RAV4 XLE. I spent $26.5k on my 2009 Crv, 4 WD in Sept. of 2009. The Toyota in 2017 was $26.1k and it was 2 WD. Since 2009 the 4WD has actuated 2 times, for this reason I purchased the 2WD version of the Toyota. The 2WD version was hard to find in March of 2017, but one was located in Calumet City, Illinois. My Toyota has 50,000 miles and is doing quite well, no issues at all. It’s nice not to do the rear end maintenance that most people don’t do on their 4WD cars. The Toyota came with adaptive cruise and lane hold, which was only on the top of the line Honda’s and was standard on all the Toyota RAV4’s. I think you should do a followup on this video to compare what happened and how the change to smaller engines has affected Honda. Thanks…Jim
PS……currently my buy Honda is a Civic with a naturally aspirated 2.0L engine.
CVT. No V6. No coupe. Weird looking trapezoid front end.
Get 2.0T. 10 speed auto
Some people would prefer a NA V6 to a turbocharged 4 any day
the torque in the 2.0t makes the new accord pull. it feels great since it happens around 1600rpm and you can still feel it pull at higher rpms instead of it tapering off
Eh. My 2.0 has no pull after 4500 rpms
Honda took a huge gamble on the styling, and it's love it hate it. And it got $$$$. Plus people know CVTs and turbo DFI engines are known to fail. Since, as you stated, Honda buyers drive their cars into the dirt, I can see why they might be leary. I have several friends that have older Accords, with well over 200k on them, and other than the cam phaser issue, have never had a problem with them.
It's just that the pricing of the accord is too close to the crv. People would just pay little extra to get a much bigger vehicle overall.
A bigger vehicle that is based on the Civic and handles far worse. Of course mostly male enthusiasts would pick that out, the rest of the soccer moms would be happy in their CR-V...
It may not be much bigger, but the seating in the Accord is way too low! I have trouble getting in and out of the new Accord.
CR-V is not really bigger, interior passenger volume on the CR-V is 102.9 cu ft, Accord is 102.7 cu ft, exterior wise Accord is a whopping 11 inches longer but 10 inches shorter, width is the same.
Hyundai sells a lot of cars. But show me a 1997 Hyundai that is still on the road.
new accord looks like an 85 Accord Hatchback from the back; ugly.
A few months ago I was looking for a new car for my wife, the accord was on top of my list, the big turn off was the smallish gas tank, barely more than 14 gallons? No Thank you, if there is one thing that I hate in a car is the limited range. I bought her a Subaru Legacy Limited, She loves it, and the all wheel traction is a big plus in the winter in New York. And it has an 18 and half gallons fuel capacity.
I'm buying the new Accord 2.0 sport very soon, and I looking forward to it!
the accord to me us not beautiful and it happen that the new camry is beautiful. most car buyers are not car guys who compare specs. most people will buy a car because its reliable. but believe me the styling is a big factor too. in the 90's a lot of hyundai mini vans (starex) were smuggled in the philippines. no authorized dealer and no service center and people are buying them because they are beautiful. and listen to this, that hyundai mini van ended up being the best seller beating the sales of the top 3 combined (toyota, nissan and mitsubishi). and lets not go far. look how much mini cooper there are on the road despite being expensive and unreliable, people buy them because they are cute
No J-series V6, no buy !
The body style on the 2018 exterior doesn’t look better than the 2015! The exterior body has to change first before I look at the car.
Totally agree with you. I purchased a 2017 Coupe for the engine over the new 2018 four door sport. Since I turn in my 2014 leased sport. No way could I buy the 2018 with turbo , to risky.
Plus new Accord looks like a Chevy Impala.
2017 looks great and the 2018 to finance is so much much money and the style isn’t that great oh yea and you can get the new Camry for a better deal everywhere in Fl.
I love the accord. Always have but this one looks like a Chevy Malibu 😭😩🤮
I have always been a car guy, nothing rides better. Lexus LS 2018
I am uncomfortably buying a turbo. When I see the turbo consistently going past 200,000 miles without issues, I will consider the Honda. In the meantime, I can buy the known quantity known as Toyota.
Robert Johnson, I hear you and understand your concern but keep in mind Honda actually has quite a bit of history with their S2000 which was turbo charged and very reliable. Reliability is a top concern and focus for Automakers like Toyota and Honda as evidenced by their consistent high marks. I’m confident overall that while a turbo engine may not be as trouble free as a NA engine the Honda turbos should do well to at least 100k. A bigger concern to me is the carbon buildup in direct injection engines that will require extensive service at around 60k. Toyota is the only one so far to figure that out using dual injection which eliminates that.
You know when a new bodystyle comes out and you meet side by side at a light and you feel really jealous inside? I dont get that feeling at all when next to a 2018 Accord. My 17 Touring looks drop dead gorgeous compared to it. I mean the exterior is just ugly as hell. My brother in law laughed at the 2018 accord and thought it was nothing more of a joke. Honda i wont be upgrading til you fix that abomination of a body. Its hideous and makes my eyes hurt. Just get rid of it. But on other hand ill be looking into another manufacturer :)
Lmao!
You know what's funny is the body style is the same except a strong curve on the C-Pillar and placement of the windows. Less plastic on the front end, lower and wider with no honeycomb plastic. The frame is pretty much identical if you just lessen the curve on the C-Pillar. Interior design the 2018 destroys the 2017 by far. And that is where you will be spending all your time.
There so many of those new honda accords in nyc I thought honda was giving them away.
Lots in Canada too when I went up there
Also here in LA too.
Those are Uber cars,probably just like the Camry Uber partners with them to get drivers leases.
Jose Ortiz Sounds like Honda does any sort of incentives like that for rentals or Uber
Honda does not do fleet, offer incentives nor team up with a driving service.
The styling is difficult to get past, I want to like it. It's an excellent value, especially the 2.0t sport. I think I would rather pay a few grand more for a front drive tlx with v6.
Its simple. The previous Accord design was phenomenal. Also, this Accord looks 80 percent like the Civic. Also, the new Camry just destroys the Accord with its styling. At the moment, Civic=Accord. They look the same.
Your points are good but you also failed to mention competition.Nissan,Toyota, Mazda, Kia, and Hyundai are all making sedans that offer a better value and in many cases, a better looking car. Mazda 6 and new Altima are way ahead of the Accord. The Korean cars have a better warranty so until Honda improves the looks, they will be losing sales to the competition.
Very fair points! I think this topic could be discussed for days, I just wanted to simply it to the biggest factors in my opinion.
Lack of enough Mazda dealers is THE deal breaker for me even though I like the Mazda SUV line up. There are no dealers close to where I live and work.
Thats exactly why I chose to buy the 2018 Mazda 6 Grand Touring. The new styling is beautiful and it offers more luxury. I love it!
Nissan has the worst cvt engines period! Do your research
The new model is ugly in my opinion compared to the last generation.
Exterior design is the main reason. The car has amazing mechanical feat. interior styling is great and like I said , it's the look of exterior.
On a second note, that bird(s) is/are telling you it's a "shitty" design.
If the US version is the one from the thumbnail, there's your answer.. it's UGLY
Rather buy a Mazda 6
My only problem is the price $27,000 for a base model at Fort Worth of Honda I just can't afford it especially with me owning a house plus I miss they being at $19,000 to $24.000 andnow I just see them as overpriced. I'm going to go pick up a 2015 model for less than $13,000 and I can afford that.
Kieth_Singleton2011 Singleton Agreed, there are also many other car options for less than $18K that give you pretty good value. I’m not saying Honda’s are not worth it. But people do have to stick to budgets as well.
@@KikiNation1 for me I just don't need all the whistles that they add and I would be good with a true base model or at least give me the option of pulling things off that I don't need like Lane warning or automatic braking when someone's in front of you.
I am an owner of an 18 Accord Sport. Manual transmission is amazing in the Accord. Boy was one hard to find. As a shopper I dont think pictures did the car justice. It looks great in person and I always get tons of compliments. I am about to make my 3rd car payment and have absolutely no regrets. It is comfortable, drives great, and gets fantastic gas mileage.
True, some cars looks shit in pix and amazing in person.
I'd walk away from the CVT, too. A friend recently bought a new car. She asked me whether she should look at an Accord. I said, "sure, but be sure to check out the Avalon first". She did and settled on the Toyota quickly. Bought in a neighboring state and "saved" almost 2K over the best price she could negotiate here. Personally I would likely have gone for a Camry with the 4 cylinder at a lower price point even though the exterior styling is ugly.
Yup! Styling and Ugly design. The new Sonata is much better choice in price, performance, reliability, warranty and yes, Style&Design!!
Because the older ones are better
I mostly agree with you. No one with any sense will dispute the fact that the vast majority of buyers are choosing utility vehicles, whether it be CUV, SUV, or truck... and that is obviously going to affect passenger car sales. That said, the new turbo engines are also definitely playing a roll, although I don't believe long term quality will go down. Honda makes the best engines in the industry, in my opinion, and whether or not it has a turbo makes no difference. They engineer them to withstand the higher demand required, so that simply isn't a problem. At the end of the day, it comes down to preference. Do you like turbos or not? In any case, it won't matter for very much longer because engine downsizing will eventually permeate the entire market.
Biggest factor... the Styling sucks. We all know people buy cars for Awards.
A lot of good points were made it definitely appears there's a lot of variables involved of why sales might be down. one though I haven't heard mentioned is that as a whole this could be a sign of the Future car sales are going to go down. Millennials could be the first generation with there's a percentage of that generation that will never own a car because of companies like uber and Lyft when you can get a ride anytime you want at the touch of an app on your smartphone. Millennials are the generation where parents never let them out of their sites. they were chaperone and given rides to school, soccer games, etc. so it was natural for Millennials to embrace the right sharing industry. Especially if you live in a city you really don't need a car anymore.
Fair points made. Me personally, I will always have my own car for convenience. I currently wish I had more than one car. haha
But I feel always using an Uber or Lyft to get anywhere would get expensive. Not to mention always having to wait for someone to pick you up.
I think your right on. I hesitated buying a Accord and now even a CR-V, due to the new engine platform. I wish the had more options besides the turbo.
I love my accord currently, but long term reliability will only be tested with time.
Most probably it's the Turbo engine. People are quite afraid with Turbos on family cars these days.
...and those people are most likely retarded.
_"Oh no, it has more power and uses less fuel! It simply MUST explode after 20k miles!"_
If you want a naturally aspirated engine go drive a Camry 2.5 litre.
Give yourself a mile to get going though, If the vibrations don't kill you the semi behind you will.
Because I would of bought a 2018 if it had a v6
As a car salesman ive had a tad over 30 from last month traded in. The owners complained about issues and the exterior styling. One customer said he couldn't deal with the styling. He traded it in on a competetior vehicle. But he lost big time with money.😥 im not here to judge but ACCORDS AINT PRETTY NO MORE!😂
You had 30 new Accords traded in already??
That's very hard to believe, 30 in one month.
30 Accords Trade In ? 2018 model ? That's a LOT.
@@tomchan2559 yes. Youd be surprised at the amount my dealership gets.
You know that feeling when you buy a car and you see the next generation pull up beside you and you get kinda jealous? I drive a '14 and this doesn't happen to me seeing an '18 and its a great feeling because the '18 looks weird.
Well, it doesn’t look that bad, but for the price you have a lot of options including new crossovers and small SUVs.
I agree with you. Especially on the point of not having a naturally aspirated engine choice; also dropping the V6! I also am a Honda owner - driving the 2015 Accord V6 in black on black. I’m warming up a little to the design change, and fairly impressed with the engineering being utilized in the new model; larger trunk space, backseats, led lighting, etc.
But I don’t think I’ll be trading up for awhile however.
Appreciate the video; wouldn’t mind seeing more of the car & or driving...👍
That is 1 fugly car said my 2014 accord
Poor looks (stretched out civic), and long term turbo reliability.
The oil dilution problem is killing the reliability. AC condenser, battery and turbo are constantly being replaced in these new Hondas
I have a 2016 Accord and I love it😎the styling is so good and I still get compliments. My body style just can’t be beat. Honda made the 2018 so ugly. Change the body style see the sales go up. Just that simple. The new body style stopped me from upgrading myself. This guy needs to stop using excuses the 2018 car is just plain ugly.