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M1 Caliber Measuring Device: Is This the Future?
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2020
- I was sent a prototype for a new tool call the M1 Caliber from Reekon. It is an electronic measuring device for your saw setup of choice. Is this the future of measuring materials on your chop saw? No doubt this is a very gimmicky looking addition to your tool chest that you don't need, but it has also been extremely accurate every time I have used it.
At under $100, I think the M1 Caliber is a pretty killer measuring device. Is this the future....I am not sure. Like I said in the video, this is a prototype M1 Caliber and maybe I will get one when they actually are released and do more extensive testing over the long haul.
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Bought this for my friend for his birthday, and he loves it. Father-in-law was a little jealous, even. :) Built solid, but light enough to move around for projects. Easy to use czcams.com/users/postUgkxPeGkHOMe05FySypTOvYumxMn-xi39oRe and makes great precision cuts. Doesn't come with a laser mount, but the fence is straight as an arrow and if you measure carefully, it's not a problem. Can handle dimensional lumber with ease, but of course, there's a limit to how thick. Handled a 4x4" post without a problem, but 4x6" we had to flip and cut twice. Only thing we've noticed is make sure to tighten the nut that holds the saw blade when you take it out of the box and maybe check up on it occasionally. For some, this is probably a no-brainer, but we neglected to do this and a few months in, found the motor running but the blade spinning at about half speed or less. Tightened the nut, and problem was solved. Very happy with this purchase. Dewalt makes sturdy stuff.
ABSOLUTELY something I would like on my 12” Bosch saw!
Keep the great videos coming! Always great to see a TRUE craftsman, perfectionist at work.
If you could save your repetitive cut length and it "beeped" when you rolled close to it, then it made the solid tone when on the mark (a lot like your laser grade stick) it would be a time saver for production minded types. Quick, repetitive, positive feedback to minimize mistakes.
If your doing repeat cut... There's this thing called a stop block already. Lol
Its built into most miter saw stands. Measure it once and cut 100 pieces faster then this thing.
Hey Brian, this is a feature we considered (and actually have a working version of still). However, during in field testing, we found it both hard to hear on the job site (maybe if you are cutting indoors its not a problem) as well as its actually slower than visually targeting a number. Both the firmware and screen layout are still not 100% finalized pending some more beta testing but it is good to know this is of interest and we are happy to explore it more!
REEKON Tools It’s cool that you guys are taking time to respond to questions/suggestions.I wish I had a miter saw because I’d definitely buy this tool.
REEKON Tools thanks for replying. I just recently backed your product and feel that Brian has a great point. This product won’t only be used on outdoor worksites, so it would be a severely valuable feature to an already innovative tool
@@jayslim4 certainly something we will consider for our generation 2 device and we will undoublty be receiving lots of valuable feedback once people have had a chance to use the tool!
It’s great! My shed has been completed and it turned out nice looking and sturdy and it is way better than the sheds that many of my neighbors had put up. Of course, I'm pleased with the outcome and this Ryan’s czcams.com/users/postUgkxGZedDTcDfgD7fG_uU4esfx_EgxzlY2_1 Plans was extremely useful to me as a guide.
Seems like something that will eventually be on all saws.
I agree! I could see this built in
Not really. Takes longer than a tape and pencil mark. Plus you can't just throw the Lumber on the saw.
@@skliros9235 it's like the laser guide on circular saws and drill presses. They used to be an exotic feature, now they are even on cheaper tools. Use them if you want, but this is going to happen soon because it's a gimmick and gimmicks sell tools.
@@skliros9235 I don't know what kind of God you are to be able to measure, precisely mark, then precisely line up your cut with a tape and pencil faster than this thing can dial in your cut, but I know I certainly wouldn't come close! Not to mention added benefits such as being able to accurately push your stock past the blade when doing miters to skirting boards without slowly edging it towards to blade to get it precise. I see this as no gimmick, I see this as an extremely functional device which I'm pretty confident will pay itself off for me in saved time within the first month of ownership.
@@damon4557 have you ever cut wood before? I'd like to see you cut long boards with this gizmo. I couldn't imagine rolling a board along the gizmo for 10, 16, or 20ft!
Was just coming here to leave a comment that the product came up in my kickstarter suggested project list recently. I remembered it from this video and backed it.
I like it. I am a DIY guy and love how accurate it is. Never having to take out my tape is excellent.
You should suggest adding a small keypad to enter a measurement, then you get auditory feedback telling you to move it left or right until you reach the measurement you entered. That'd be pretty convenient.
That’s a good idea
Even easier would be to be able to store the current measurement. Then use that as the target for the next cut(s). This would fairly easy to implement w/o a touchpad.
With the addition of a cheap Bluetooth module, you could easily link this to a phone app and then the functionality could get crazy powerful. I could see entering all your required cuts ahead of time and then enter your stock length and have the app calculate the best way to maximize your stock.
@@SEEMERIDECOM That would be awesome functionality. I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
@@RRBuildings a beep once at ur measurements would be ideal.
@seemeridecom that's a great idea,it would indeed be great if you could imput your entire cutting list via a keypad or in phone app of some description and then bang them out one after one. Nice thinking dude!
Personally, at $80-90, I could easily see myself and half a dozen friends buying one. Push out frequent sales to hit the under $100 range and market it right, and it'll take off. The kickstarter stating it'll be above $150 at launch I feel is a reasonable retail to say its worth, but I wouldn't expect many people to purchase at that price except in the case of shops or companies with larger crews. People are quite fast with a tape after however many years they've been using one in most professional environments so it's got to be a pretty specific environment for it to do well at over $100.
That comes from manufacturing industry it's not a new product it's a new market for a very old product... You're absolutely right super handy in a production environment most of us including yourself would prefer a 2x4 with stops I call it the saw story pole. Because it has every stop you've used on the project on the pole. I think the important take away on this product depending upon your material in the operators attention it's possible for the roller to miss counts. It's the same as if we put too much pressure against that stop block and bump it we have to pay attention matter what we use to measure... Peace Bro
I,m not sure that I need one but I know that I could definitely use one, that's a pretty hand tool man. Kudos to the developer/inventor/designer!
Just got into wood working and would love this. But…. That love is at $89.99 but at $149.99 that’s quite a lot for a person unsure about the weekly or monthly use. Good video! Thanks…
If I did strictly siding or had a big siding job to do I think that would be the perfect spot for it! I think that's an awesome use of tech it just may be a little to niche but since I'm a nerd I'd buy one right after Kyle!!
looks nice, thing for me would be, that i would check it none the less, just to be sure .. i trust more what i do, than an electronic device.
Make the clamp with a vertical sliding mechanism that will allow that 2x4 upright. I would buy it!
I can see this gadget being built to a miter saw. You place your lumber, zero down, then dial your dimension and go, a little motor will move the lumber and stop at the right position and lock it. It's difficult to slide either left or right a piece of material about 0.002" by hand.
Niche or not...I like that tool. Believe it or not, I think that will be good for the home hobby guy like me. I don't do much "reptitive" cuts for "production". When I start using my miter saw, I'm doing 6-1/2, 10", 5-1/2, multiple cuts at multiple lengths. Each time I have to stop, measure and align. Yea, this is cool! Kickstarter is $99 earlybird (Super Earlybirds are gone), and MSRP is going to be $149 by the looks of it.
This is awesome. Can’t wait to see this start to get incorporated from manufacturers. This is a dream if you’ve got a cut list to work off of. Everyone wants to know how mitering would work, seems like it would be just as easy as current methods of mitering. May not be designed for it, but it won’t slow you down any. The benefit for straight cuts is irrefutable!
One thing I thought of is particularly long cuts. I suppose you could just subtract and always measure the shorter distance, but just curious if the longer the cut/more rotations of the wheel, the less accurate gets?
I’m curious too and need more time with it
that is very cool. and to cut taller pieces, you could always add a tall fence to your saw
Just backed it on kickstarter for 2 units. I've been waiting on this idea for a while now. I remember seeing a huge bench saw thingy with a digital dial in adjustable automatic fence stop on this old home that was rather cute, but this seems more affordable.Thanks for the heads up Kyle.
Would definitely get one for my shop chop saw table. If it holds up, it's the cat's meow!
FYI, it's a Kickstarter it going for $99 Early Bird price retail is $150 has 44 days to go as of 6/16/2020. they met their goal of $10,000. it's at $92,432
Pretty killer
As of today they are at 282,760 and have 4 left. I bought into it yesterday when they had 6 left so there were 5 left. Seems to have slowed. There are a few other options like buying a 2 pack and 3 pack or higher.
I want one of these.
Edit: I need one of these, because I always cut twice and my lumber is still too short.
Solid idea and first take. I think there are lots of things you could do to make things more convenient. Always up to support makers and would be fun to play with :)
This is a brilliant tool, I just discovered it on Facebook ads.
If you're doing repetitive cuts then you cannot beat a stop block. Set once and done.. But, like you said, if you are doing many cuts of different lengths (Siding, even pluming...) then this makes sense. Would be nice if it were on vertical slides to accommodate thicker material..
Overall very cool!
Pre ordered and looking forward to putting this through the paces on the saw rack in my fab shop, where 1/32 is critical.
If I am looking it right, you dont have to move the board after the first cut. Just press the calibrate button between cuts, as long as you dont move the board before hitting the button. Could be wrong happened once in '92.
Hahaha yes
@@RRBuildings Great show brother, keep up the good work.
How affected is it if sawdust or dirt gets on the measuring wheel?
Very insensitive, the encoder is magnetic so it's not affected at all!
Just my thoughts: Geometrically, the sawdust would make the diameter of the wheel larger, so it would rotate slower (larger circumference to cover per rotation), resulting in a longer cut (which is better than cutting too short). With that said, you would have to have a lot of big sawdust and a long board for that to be an issue.
A toothbrush head, a small angle bracket, and your imagination!
@@REEKONTools Is that a binary encoder, or does it need to be reminded where zero is periodically?
@@foxberry2047 it self zeros when it turns on so doesnt need to be set besides you telling it where to start measuring from each cut
Add in the amount of time looking for the tape measure I just had when figuring time savings. Yes .. I know I could just put it back in the pouch on my belt. I must have 10 tape measures that are scattered around my workshop, and none of them ever seem to find their way into my belt. I suppose I could put a leash on one ... I wonder where I put it.
On the other hand, I think it would be great for moulding. I tend to be a 'measure once, cut long, trim to fit'. kinda guy when it comes to home remodeling work. I think this would be great if I could make the 'zero' point the right side of the cut instead of the left so I could move a piece 3/32" to the right without doing math after zeroing.
I think another feature where I could repeat cuts would be cool. I get tired of setting up aux fences to do long cuts. If I could do one cut, save it, then have it make noise for other cuts, maybe like a Geiger counter where it beeps faster as I get closer??
I think the tech has some great potential. I'm not willing to spend money on the first model though, I'll wait until a few upgrades come out.
Like at the box store you could attach a cord to the tape measure by the saw.
Thanks for the review, site didn't have enough info. Seeing it in action was nice.
As a prototype, it is pretty decently made, & am interested to see what the finished product will be made out of (for durability, cut after cut) & for how accurate it will “stay” over time....
Did see another comment, & think we might see these built into saws one day (somehow).
Pretty cool & thx for the sharing. Not bad, do have to add this. A foot button to zero out, would be sweet.....a lot quicker instead of using hands as well. They could do that by adding a 3.5mm jack with cable down to foot pedal to be sold as accessory 🤔, sorta like my sewing machine 😅
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Cool, hope it goes to market soon, thanks Kyle 🏴
Check link I dropped you can order now
Greetings from the caribbean....great videos...keep em coming.
I dig this - saw it on Kickstarter a few days ago. Could be super handy!
Ready to buy it now! Definitely seems like something for shop tools more than in the field. Curious how well it holds up in the field, keep us posted!
My opinion on design is keep the clamp as optional, include a mounting rig that would be modified to the guide involving drilling holes and counter sinking screws. Then have the equipment placed on a sliding bar for height adjustments.
Time is money Kyle & if it’s going to save time it’ll therefore save money so I’m sure builders will buy it for their crews.
I'm a skeptic and here is why. I have 22 years of miter saw work under my belt(s). If this was built into the bottom of the saw with a hole cut through the table with a small spring loaded roller that could slightly raise above the surface. I could see it and if the button was near the safety start button. The limitations make this a hassle in my eyes. When you are cutting small parts it's usually a repetitive number and you just mark a spot on your table or use a stop block. Very few jobs require small pieces at random number and there is no way I'm going to roll a long board through my saw when pulling out a tape is 5x as fast and 5x as light to maneuver and not to mention the risk of getting a splinter. The other problem with this is half the time your cut-off is on the right side and the other half of the time it's on the left side. You would need two of these and they won't work with say a 14" board getting cut to 7 because the roller is too far back. Now that I had time to think. A mouse from a computer can measure DPI that would be a much better way to go than a wheel.
Instead of butting it up, you could just run your board through, cut a 1/8 or a 1/16 off the end, zero out your gadget and go from there.
Also, you can cut whatever thickness lumber you want. Just attach a piece to your fence to make it higher.
It doesn't even have to be attached to your fence just as long as it's in line with your fence. It could be 20 feet away from the saw.
The guys at Reekon must be so pissed the display is glitching.
WOW! if this thing STAYS ACCURATE for short and long cuts,and if he makes a universal adapter to A. Attach to any height fence and B. Makes a adapter to raise to fit atleast a 2 x 6 on edge........... I THINK ITS A GAME CHANGER! you didn't mention it but it also helps a little to keep your material down
Spoken by an amateur. This process takes too long.
Flip stop style mount would be ideal. Also need to be able to mount on the right side of the saw.
I think you are spot on. The height limit is a bit short- to clear 5 5/8" would be much better, and would add very little cost.
Yea it is a cool tool...for short cuts. I dont see some sliding a 14'-20: length of lumber under that wheel to cut it in halves or thirds. Not even going to mention mitre cuts, BUT it a very useful tool for them short cuts on manageable sliding lengths of wood
WOW. Brilliant bit of kit, and great video as usual
I bought one not realizing you need 6' to either side of your blade to calibrate correctly. My workshop is 10 x 10 with a recess closet on one side so I have 6' to the left but only 5' to the right. I messaged Reekon about this so hopefully they have a workaround. I built my own mitre saw station so moving the saw isn't an option and I'm years away from building a bigger workshop out back of my property. This 6' minimum needs to be listed in the product description so purchasers can make informed buying decisions as I don't see any way the firmware can be upgraded on this device. Maybe they'll come out with an updated model that doesn't need this minimum distance and I can get a discount since I already bought this one.
Couldn't see using this on a construction site but definitely in a cabinet shop
Nice tool...but you've got a good test point on a longer board...since a single operator cuting a longer board would not normally slide the whole board through the roller...still solve that and it would be good for the guy on the ground getting numbers tossed to him.
This would be great for framing a basement remodel in old construction!
I really wanted to see more of the Cabin in the Woods build, but I have to admit this seems like a very useful tool.
thanks for showing. I want one
It would be nice to have an input connector so you could connect a switch, triggered when saw hits bottom, so it would auto zero after making a cut, saving some time when cutting a long beam in peaces. No need to manually re zero after each cut.
Also is blade thickness pre programmed, because if you touch the blade with your piece to zero it also needs to add blade thickness for exact cut.
I can imagine it is great when varying lengths are required. But if you need two dozen cuts to identical length, I find the need to match the numbers separately for each cut a bit tedious or error prone. In that situation a good stop seems better. You adjust it once and the rest goes without a need to reset, push and read any numbers or align the part until you have the correct number displayed. So, I see an optimal application for both systems. What I cannot deduce is the break even count of identical length cuts where a stop would become more productive.
Slide a long board thru that thing to measure, say, 6' 5'8". That wheel slips just a little and your in trouble. Little metal spikes sticking out of the wheel or some sort of sand paperery (a new word) surface may be needed.
$90 would be a bit much for me, but I am not a professional that would need this. I don't even have a miter saw! :) This seems definitely useful for someone needing to make many different cuts.
For 90 bucks I'd buy one if I had a project coming up. Every project I add or upgrade at least one tool. That would have really helped me a few weeks ago cutting wood for my saw buck and garage shelves.
I would definitely be interested in something like this, anything to save time makes more money.
It doesn't NEED to be ON the fence as long as the board passes under it on the way to the blade. That means attaching it to something stable to the blade and then passing the board under it as you prepare to cut it.So .... it could be like Jay Bates setup and using a bracket to attach it to. Or .. Maybe a fence on the sled of a table top saw ...
Going to have to change the calibration method for smaller than 12x12 rooms and fixed workstations.
Pretty dang cool!! I could see it being useful on specific jobs. And my OCD would probably have me measuring each cut with my tape measure regardless😂
I'd say that it probably needs to attach in such a way that you don't lose so much cut capacity, it's ok if you're running 2x4, but not if you're working with anything larger. Also, looks like it's aimed at the shop, and not the job site, I doubt that LCD would survive in low temps on winter time jobsites
the chinee version is already on sale for 17.99 on Amazon
Thx for the video, i do alot of sidding and will see be looking to buy this..
Marking for a cut has never been very accurate. Looks like a great solution. I’d buy it.
Uhhhhh working framing, exterior trim and siding with a tape 1/8 +/- ..that's working to a 1/16th. Interior trim 1/16 +/- that's to 1/32 no issues. 😊
If you still have it you should cut a smaller block and measure it with some calipers. I've seen videos on this and everyone just does tape measures, I'd love to see how actually accurate it is.
Very cool .
Thanks for Sharing 👍🏻
This tool is perfect for steel cutting and it will shine when you need to cut mitre. Is it robust enough?
As far as the height/clearance on your fence, just don’t put it on the low part of the fence - put it on the higher part to get at least the max clearance possible.
As far as not being able to mount to your smaller miter saws, they make an accessory just for that reason that allows it to mount to ANY miter saw by essentially adding a second fence.
1 year ago when you made this video they may not have had that accessory, but they do now.
The Kickstarter pricing is gone now and it’s currently available on Amazon, in Lowe’s, Home Depot, and Acme Tools for $149 USD.
It may not replace a tape (and probably isn’t meant to) but anyone that is making repetitive cuts would certainly benefit from this tool
@RR Buildings. I’m not a professional builder, I just like making stuff in my garage. I want this yesterday. If it can that accurate, including the accuracy it proved of the Kerf or width of the blade, on making things at 8’ or 10’, I want it, even if it’s a 3D printed prototype. Hell, I want to bust out an arduino and accessories, and prototype one myself. Consider me a buyer. Consumer and prosumer companies like Ryobi, Kobalt, and Craftsman should offer this not as an accessory, but a built in feature on their low end miter saws. /rant
For a trim carpenter it’s the nuts man 😎
Thanks for the review I have seen this a few times. Definitely a nice upgrade
Next version should have a motor in that wheel and automatically move the wood to desired position :D
Yeah I was thinking the same thing
dont want to make it too easy ;-)
Look up tiger stop that does it.
Well.. heck. Much cheaper than a CNC machine with an auto feeder
Yes, the TigerStop does it and a lot more for $3,000 to $5,000 dollars. Kind of an apples and oranges comparison.
I have my order placed. December 2020 for delivery. I do a lot of cedar siding and I think this will be a great addition to that set of tools. Unfortunately, I won't know until next spring 😖
A track & stop system would be even faster, especially if you wanted multiples of the same block. However, this would probably be better on the job site with longer boards.
I think this would be great for a trim carpenter on a finish build!
The concept is great but there's a critical flaw - You need to roll the entire piece you want to keep through the tool. What if you are cutting a 2x4 to 9'3"? You could just calculate the off cut but that requires you to use a tape to figure out how long the 2x4 is to start with. I'll stick with my tape and shadow line saw.
The one thing i would say it needs is the ability to cut 4x4 stock or on edge 2x4, little bit more versatility than just 2x stock on its face. Other than that, i think its a great idea.
I like it $50 much. I think the 1/8th number on the left represents accuracy. It strikes me that this can be done without the clumsy wheel by using the components out of a computer laser mouse, which has a two-dimensional accuracy upwards of 1/100th of an inch. Also about $50.
Thanks for the video bro.
Awesome. Every honor for you.
they could always come up with a mount that just attaches to the saw fence permanetly that has slotted adjustment holes for the tool to slide up and down on for dimensional lumber. Especially for those low fence saws that could restrict mounting options and limit the height of the lumber being cut. Then you could just clip the tool into the mount at the same fixed location every time. That way they could make a couple mount designs for the several mainly used saws and the tool can be the same to fit in all mount holes.
At that price, I'd definitely buy one! I'd be curious to see it at 16' measurements. Keep the videos coming!
Its definitely a time saver but I think I'll wait for better design thatll allow for different size materials and thickness. By the way from what I've noticed on the display screen it looks like the zero for foot is larger than the zero for inches, noticing the line under the smaller zero, probably so at a glance you'd know the difference in between the foot and inch. Some construction calculators I've owned has a similar number display. At least that's how I see it but yeah a really cool device.
Who would it work with angled cuts?
If the wheel is mounted on the bed or horizontal on the fence - plus closer to the blade might work better for dimensional material, but that would require a new saw base design. Cutting any type of angle parts like frames or crowns seems outside of it's function. Saw dust or metal is always going to be a problem and heat and sun exposure might damage a LCD screen. More negatives than positive conveniences, it appears to be kind of fragile and sort of in the way.
Possibly
Perfect use for that would be for cutting the cross blocks for a stud wall
Interesting concept. The hard part to imagine is using it to take 2" off a stack of 10' boards. You could do it but lumber isn't always accurate and you want your precise measurement to be on the long side. I doubt you want the saw guy setting it and pushing through 118" every board.
Good point, although if your framer is measuring every board in this situation... They are wasting time. Make a story pole or set up a stop on the outfeed table at the required length.
Stop block. Lol
You mention that this thing would be good for siding? I would feel like it would slow you down when most siding is cutting pieces over 12feet long just to slide it through the tool when you would normally only have to cut off a couple feet off the other side I see where it would be good in a shop but I don’t know about making cuts longer than a couple feet.
Making the LCD screen flush with the surface it will be mounted to. Sawdust will pile up quick
I have used my laser tape like that to set stops, but you have to make sure you are aimed at the right part of the tooth so your cuts are accurate. Having an offset for the tooth width would be a nice thing to have.
Like the 4K vids btw.
Yup. That works. Spot on. 💥
I like it I wanna here from you about this again after 6 months of use
I’m a professional cabinetmaker and this wouldn’t be good for me. I much prefer a fence and stop block system. I think this would be far to in the way for me, especially considering I cut things vertically just as often as flat. I’m worried about the durability of it with boards bouncing around and being put on and removed from the saw. I think you would be much better served by a saw gear system. Pricy but I think you in particular would find the value in it.
I'm a furniture maker. I would buy the shit out of this.
$89.99? Yeah, that's worth it. Nice big display and that's an accurate cut! Bet guys building roll cages and whatnot could use that for cutting pipe. Metal filings an issue?
I saw you use that on your saw while seeing TikTok videos. Seems pretty sweet.
It is cool
I need this! I'm not a pro. I don't use all my saws every day. But I always have projects. I can see the time savings and effort saved. It's worth the $150
Seems like a good addition to a miter saw for only $90. For small cut it would work great. Long cut lengths, not so much. I wouldn't see myself registering a piece of material all the way through to cut a piece of millwork 8 feet 3-1/4" long, when a tape would be much quicker.