Hans and Magnus Update with GM Ben Finegold
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"The players were all really good. The players were like Magnus, and Fischer, and Steinitz, and Capablanca, and Morphy, and those were the weak players"
bruh lmao
🤣🤣🤣
I lost it right there 😂😂
Garry Chess and Ruy López were the strong players 😣
@@queenbrynja Ruy López was an actual person and chess player tho.
Pretty sure they also invited Mr. French, inventor of the French defense. Probably beat him up too.
@@CZcamsAskedMeToChangeThis are you saying the inventor of chess isn’t real? What slander!
"I literally don't care" hahaha he never misses an opportunity, which I appreciate
Even GM Finegold's cadence is funny. "You were born crying... Trying to get teeth... You don't know nuthin." 😂
I found that a little arrogant, to be honest
@@norbertremenyi5539 snowflake 😅
"now some of you might not know this, because most of you don't know anything. It's not your fault"
I love Ben
It's all in his new book "How to make enemies and influence friends".
"you were born not knowing shit"
Expert analysis right here
Ahahahahah ! Ben's humor
no so....shitting when born is one of two things you do know when born....sucking is the other.
@@bandedefous99 haha I laughed so hard on that whole thing
Actually, shit is the one thing we did know.
"I'm not gonna cancel a guy because the other guy has a crying fit".
exactly on point.
Leftists do that all the time.....
@Joao Vaz I wish ben would address the real issue, Hans' cheating
99 out of a 100 other organizers won't think like that and will instead invite Magnus.
He is a gm he can have games with 90 percent accuracy
@@goroakechi8577 *90% engine correlation
This was exactly my thoughts when I read that he thought about dropping out prior. He already had it in his head that the guy was going to cheat. Confirmation bias.
Rapport was not allowed to enter America because customs said he was too handsome
But also I love the analysis as always. The fact that you don't like Hans but can still be fair shows a lot of honor in your character. Not that it matters hearing that from some random guy like me...but there you go. Lol
Vastly underrated comment imho
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@@sigmagamerchad4685 Initiate? You're kidding right?! I'm the FOUNDER!
And they gave us a human troll doll as a replacement.
Sounds reasonable
I, too, am on team "Magnus should have handled this differently"
NO HE SHOULDN'T HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAGNUS IS PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't believe you would not only have that opinion, but actually say it publicly, people make me so angry, my head is literally one "straw" away from exploding, and IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT BECAUSE OF YOUR SELFISH OPINIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How?
@@aaronmarchand999 stop polishing Magnus's lance.
@@Hauser203 he won't answer. It would require him to have an actual stance and be open to being wrong. He'd rather sit back and complain to take the alternative take like the rest of the edgelords on the internet
Tell us how? If you are a world chess champion and currently best chess player on the planet how should you handle the situation?
Magnus's claim that "Hans wasn't tense enough" during the game is fucking laughable. His ballriders have been saying he must have proof of foul play ever since Sinquefield, and his statement after all that time was basically that Hans is cringe and too stupid to beat him with the black pieces.
I mean, if you were sitting on vibrating beads, it would loosen you right up.
I actually think Magnus's "soft evidence" holds more weight than what's first thought. Magnus has played hundreds, if not thousands of OTB games against every top player. At that level, you get a serious feel for body language and where you're at in the game. He knew something was fishy and was brave enough to stick to his gut.
@@jumbo6498 Kasparov acted the same way towards 15-year-old Radjabov when Radja beat him OTB and broke his 6 year undefeated streak lmao. Your logic does not apply AT ALL.
@@SavantGardeEX You bringing up an entirely independent cheating case does not "apply" at all.
If you've ever gotten experienced at anything you would know there's a meta-level feel for everything. Maybe Hans cheated, maybe he didn't, but body language as evidence is surely not discardable.
@@jumbo6498 even if that were true, subjective evidence from a VERY biased party is worth nothing
“Hans wasn't tense enough” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ben's takes age like fine gold... Love you Ben
Ben is the only person that I feel like I've been on the same page with through this entire thing.
Agreed
I will admit, it’s been weird to watch people like Hikaru and a few other select content-creating GMs immaturely laugh at Hans in this situation, and then watch a video like this. I’m gonna have to start watching Ben now, purely based on his content quality and maturity.
Yep, imagine not having his take om this whole thing there would be a lot of confusion Im glad he uploaded when I was looking for someone other than Hikaru to talk about the issue.
Well, you might want to add a few more people to watch then, because basically only Hikaru and his faithful followers who he tricked with sensational "news reporting" based on tweets and videos and other forms of gossip have been so vocal about Hans definitely cheating. It all started when Hikaru seemingly forgot what a transposition is when he said that Magnus not playing that exact line makes Hans' description of the match highly fishy. Basically, every GM and super GM who has commented has said there is no strong evidence of cheating having happened at the Sinquefield Cup. I'd use this as a wake up call, know when someone is low enough to lie to people to take their money, and start watching other streamers even if they don't feel like they're as cool as Hikaru. After all, all that feeling is is the existence of a parasocial relationship.
@@AG-ld6rv Hans has 10 games playing 100% engine moves over the board, but i guess he is just far better than any other chess player has ever been. And by far as well.
When Hans played Magnus he was simply drawing inspiration from deep inside himself
Im looking forward to any kind of resolution of this event that occurred, mainly because of hearing the people so adamant on either side. It would be nice to see one of them be forced to move on necessarily but I do love the insight from actual high level grand masters and players
Yeah, I hope there is a clear resolution so that everybody reasonable can stop caring and the drama doesn't get as much clicks anymore
@@JonathanMandrake Till then it will be milked and
it Incentivises further Insinuations
without Evidence, let alone Proof. 😂
Feels like the only sane voice in chess rn honestly
also bonus points for "you were trying to get teeth"
Fr.
Great analysis of this whole mess of a situation, Ben. I'm in the same camp. Appreciated.
I am not sure why, but I find Ben hilarious. I love his sarcasm and personality!
he keeps it real and edgy.. imo he's kinda like the Bill Maher of chess... (and the zizek of chess by appearance)
@@firstnamelastname7476 Bill Maher has been a hack for at least a decade lol don’t insult dear Finegold like that
I used to not like him very much tbh but the more I watch him, the closer he grows to me.
if you love any part of this guy you got issues, John🤪
@@filoriketi1881 issues like what?
Maybe the reason why Magnus withdrew is he wants to see Ben bitch about it all the time. But most likely not, because Ben is nothing to him, just like we are nothing to him.
The truth hurts.
The answer is fries.
Super GM's lost to a former online cheater "truth hurts" -Ben Finegold
That last minute was incredible.
He dropped bars on bars
That’s what she said
This video is so good that I watched it twice till now.
What happened then? Why not three times?
Im on my second time watching this as I watch this
@@notyourdad When I wrote the comment it was the second time.. now I lost counting.
Always repeat
Karen and Ben organizing a super Gm tournament😆
Karen wants to take Hans up on his offer to play naked....
One of the reason of why I unsubscribed Hikaru's channel was due to how biased his assessment on Hans. I totally agreed with Finegold's view and opiniom which is super spot-on. Other super GMs just sore loser and saw threat from Hans. They dont want another Alirezza.
Firouzja had a meteoric rise even better than Niemann’s and Magnus responded by saying he ~ only ~ wanted to play him for the World Championship.
Will Magnus play Karjakin again?
You shoulda unsubbed from that snake a long time ago xD
I think we found the person who operates Han's anel bead vibrations.
i think i found a magnus meat rider
@@Jafar_maher Bruh, nobody talking about the beads is serious
@@Jafar_maher fruit cup. First thing that came to your mind is another man's meat smh
@@dimorphos8916 how can i not think of it when the original comment is about anal beads? and just because i commented something doesn't mean it's what came to my mind first
@@pionosphere ikr, anal beads? that's ridiculous! (it's a butt plug)
I think you could driven home the point regarding the Miami tournament even better: In Miami, Hans was clearly not cheating, as he lost all his matches. However, he still won games against very strong opponents, including Magnus himself. He basically showed that he is capable of beating Magnus fairly there. Because why would he cheat in the first game he won against Magnus, or the selected other games he won, but not in a slightly larger amount to win at least a couple of matches? He won against Magnus fairly there, proving he's capable of that.
Bro you can cheat and purposefully lose your matches
I think it would be 100% a good idea to start throwing if a literal homing missile was on your back for cheating allegations
Using another tournament as proof of his innocence is fucking wild. You cheat once in your life? Youre a cheater. It doesn't matter if you play fair in 30 tournaments legitimately and then cheat in 1- you're a cheater
This is the worst line of logic I've seen people use to prove Hans isn't guilty of something. That's like saying that because I saw OJ Simpson hug a woman that he's not capable of killing his wife
LOL dude the fucking logic
It's a decent argument, but not a complete refutation of the cheating claims. It's possible Hans was cheating back then as well, but did it less, pushing his luck more and more in later tournaments. It's possible Hans has gotten better at using his cheats - as in, maybe his method of cheating only gives him a limited advantage. Maybe Magnus believes Hans is cheating not because he lost to Hans, but because of some "inhuman" play that Hans made.
@@greenbean4422 this is such a dumb argument bro. You never cheated in a game as a kid?
@@kenm4390 projection prob
@@greenbean4422 "cheating and purposely losing" is the dumbest idea ever, why would you risk being caught with an illegal device just to lose? you could literally just play the game at that point. The fact remains Hans is perfectly capable of beating magnus because he's the 50th highest ranked chess player on earth. He showed he was able to do so in multiple games against supergms where he probably wasn't cheating, and that frankly includes st. louis because he probably wasn't cheating in that game
How come in hundreds of other tournaments in which Carlsen lost he never withdrew. Carlsen is good enough to distinguish between human and computer moves.
He is? Not only is he great at chess, but apparently he's also clairvoyant.
There is a difference between losing against a top 2700 gm and a 2500 gm
I'm now 1500, if I lose against a 1500 like me I won't feel so bad about it, but if I lose against a 1000 or 900, it will mess with me and make me super uncomfortable, that's the situation in here, magnus considered Hans as an inferior player to him so he couldn't accept losing against him
Because Magnus had a particularly bruised ego by losing a tough, drawn out game to a guy many people already dislike.
Great entertainment and glad Ben is making credits on it
All your points are exactly the way I feel. I believe Magnus handled this entire thing without a hint of class.
Ben with the only sensible take ive heard so far
Ben's Gigachad moment
All this craziness from the world chess champion and I haven’t once heard anyone say they wish Bobby Fischer was back with the Cold War at its height
I wish Bobby Fischer was back and the cold war was at it's height. oh how I long for the unyielding threat of mass nuclear warfare.
@@chairwood We got the unyielding threat of mass nuclear warfare probably more than ever but Bobby Fischer is unreplaceable
@@chairwood and general cloak and dagger skullduggery
Ahahahaha
The glasses tilt got me every time
Magnus average is 70% accuracy, if I understood Hikaru yesterday. His game against Hans was 43%. Magnus has nothing to complain about. He should apologize to the other players for F-ing up. We all f-up.
It is so refreshing and frankly calming to be able to come to a channel that consistently has the most nuanced yet broad take and makes me feel like I’m not taking crazy pills. All of this really needs to be said and heard by more fan boys in the chess community. People can’t fathom the idea that actually magnus’ behavior has been awful and all of this is kind of reducible to a rage quit. I really hope Hans comes out of this episode , plays phenomenal chess climbs the rankings and beats everyone. And now I really want to see Magnus lose the world championship , he’s shown how lousy his character is throughout this
Agree
"Magnus is being a baby." I've been using the term "drama queen," but I think that we are on the same page.
Ben has to be the most sarcastic but likeable chess CZcamsr. He essentially calls the entire world including you (yes you) and Magnus (yes Magnus) babies and we all laugh along - like babies.
Thank you counselor for your opening statement.
DEAD ON! Thank you Ben, no one is holding Magnus accountable for this, he is causing insane division in the chess world, and the players cannot allow him to just delete a player from the tournament scene without evidence, just because he feels like Hans cheated....way to much power
None of you people seem to understand the meaning of the word, "evidence." There is tons of evidence. You just don't find it compelling. Big difference from no evidence.
@@IronFire116 in strict terms if 5 GMs stood up and said that someone's cheating that's evidence too. Evidence includes statements but without anything concrete to back them up is definitely not going to convince anyone
@@IronFire116 None of the "evidence" reaches any level to convict the man of cheating in that game, you can have all the circumstantial evidence you want, you do not condemn a man on that. That is what "you people" don't seem to under when we say "without evidence"
But what other people do in reaction to what Magnus did is on them, not Magnus. Kasparov thought he was cheated in the second IBM tournament as well. I really don't believe that Magnus made the claim lightly or to simply cover for a loss - he knew that, eventually, someone WOULD come along and eclipse him anyway regardless. He did what he did and told people why. 100% of commentators could "conclude" that Magnus is full of shit, but it wouldn't matter to him. The fact that you can find 100 chess "experts" online with 250 different opinions is of no consequence either way.
@@YuGiOhDuelChannel lol lol lol! Wow, hahaha.
OBVIOUSLY there isn't enough evidence to get a conviction! We got a real genius here! 😂😂😂
FINALLY the guy we all need to hear from
Maybe Hans and Magnus conspired to create this drama to increase chess awareness!
This whole drama kinda reminds me of The Emperor's New Clothes fairy tale.
Ben says things as they should be, no sugar coating.
"U were born not knowing.its not your fault " underated
The argument "if Carlsen didn't lose, would he still leave?" is almost as good as "if Niemann lost, would he still be cheating?"
Yeah it's the same exact thing
It’s not the same thing since he’s saying that he only cared about Hans cheating because he did lose.
@@gmdwill fair, but would you care about chess cheating if you barely knew how a knight moves? People are moved by interest, even good causes are moved by interest and there is no such thing as a clean and pure political vincation, that's such a moralistic holier-than-thou attitude
@@ostrol1590 or the attitude of someone not wanting to destroy someone's career till there is actual evidence.
Don't expect logical arguments from Hans uncle.
Video has an error message “no stream” for me
*Edit: working now. Go Ben!!!
Always refresh
I’ve refreshed the app on mobile like 10x. Still error
@@moderneros Could be a mobile app issue. Works fine for me on desktop
Ben keeping things real
He couldn't cheat in the rapid tournaments because it takes too much time for the buttplug to vibrate the right moves in morse code.
I'm glad to see my original rumor I spammed for the lulz on the St Louis chess channel the day the news broke has taken off over the last few weeks. Yes, I take full credit for the remote controlled vibrating anal beads.
There are rapid fire butt vibrators that can be used. Very expensive though.
brooooo💀💀
THAT'S NOT WHAT HE DID!!!!!!!! HANS IS A GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE'S BETTER THAN MAGNUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!STOP CREATING UNFOUNDED RUMORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm so angry my head is literally going to explode
Finally a voice of reason not deluded by elitisms or narcissism
What do you think about Fabiano Caruana's disagreements RE: Regan's analysis on how the future of chess itself could be in jeopardy if cheating on specific moves is possible without being detected by the current system?
I think that Fabiano is a great player but a bad statistician and a terrible detective.
Regan couldn't find a cheater at an Ashley Madison sponsored event.
@@AroundTheBest The amount of people pretending they can out do the man that literally made his career on building these models is just the best. We really are living in the worst timeline. 🤣
@@DubberssMcgee He misclassified multiple cheaters at the highest levels. His methods have only been able to distinguish between low and medium ELO players using engines to blatantly augment their play.
Either you believe that a "former" cheater just happens to have 20 perfect games, more than any other active player, or you have a brain.
There is something we do not know that pissed off Magnus big time. That is the most plausible explanation. The alternative is that Magnus took it too far, everything snowballed very quickly and now it's too late to go back.
Magnus is bullying Niemann because he can, he is the top 1 player and the best ever, and people and the organization is on his side.
@@malibunights7108 That is what I am saying. Magnus does not like Niemann as a person, nothing to do with chess, so he is bullying him. The problem is that Magnus took it a bit too far.
I personally am of the the opinion that Magnus likes challenging new players and takes them off the beaten path into difficult positions. I think there is something really fishy about Hans that you don't see with other players. His coach was booted from Titled Tuesday for being a cheat, Hans was caught and admitted to cheating twice and he has likely cheated more, hence why we got the Chessdotcom statement which is now between Hans and Chessdotcom which indicated he cheated more. His ELO rise is unprecedented in the history of chess, and he has so many games where he literally plays like an engine. He has very many games with 90% engine correlation and some with 100% and he has more than Carlsen does in the same period. Super fishy. Professional sports is built on mutual trust. Magnus and Ben agrees that they do not play players they feel are cheats.
@@snorrevange7335 "Magnus and Ben agrees that they do not play players they feel are cheats."
but that's not what magnus did. it is like ben said, he could have withdrawn prior to the event, he could have refused to play hans and continue the tournament, he even could have played hans and, if he had any solid proof of him cheating, taken it to an arbiter, a judge or whatever. he didn't do any of that! instead he played him, lost, then absconded himself with some cryptic message and went radio silent for weeks, while rome burnt.
look, i'm not defending niemann. he is quiet a suspicious character and, yes, he maybe a cheater. but that does not relief the reigning world champion ffs from handling a situation like this with more tact and grace.
@@snorrevange7335 what you are referring is Yosha's analysis which were disproven by Dr. Ken Regan.
Ken Regan also critized her methods and correctly pointed out the obscurity of the scores and the invalid claims about Feller's unique performance.
Her claims got quickly dismantled but I think it is evident she made her claims as transparently as she could and they were not made in bad faith.
In round 11 of the Tata steel tournament 2022 magnus played a 41, so very close guess by hikaru
I think he was emotional and left which was wrong but his silence was likely due to him talking to his lawyer while also playing the generational cup
Hikaru wants hans to be cheating so bad
Hikaru is close to cheating for hans lol
Hiki is the biggest piece of shit in the chess community. Greedy two faced coward, with ego elevated by fanboys to extreme
I want to see engine accuracy of all GMs' games played from home during the pandemic compared to the accuracy of their pre and post pandemic in person OTB games. Having prizes for online tournaments is silly as there is zero way to stop online cheating. The two camera anti cheating system is a joke. Cheating at online chess is even easier than cheating at online poker.
How Yo-Yos cheat at online poker? It’s a game of deception and chance. Calculating odds is the easy part. What good will an engine do.
Sebastien, there is optimal play for poker just like there is optimal play for chess.
@@sebastiang7394 engines can present a range and sizing that real players cannot reasonably balance.
For example, nobody in poker can keep a balanced range of value/bluffs while using a variety of different overbet sizings, but sophisticated engines can do it consistently.
@@sebastiang7394 you can also use programs like snapshove when you are shortstacked. The program will essentially tell you which hands to fold and which hands to go all in with. Another problem in poker is collusion. Friends can easily talk to each other and reveal folded hands.
Did you really think cheating in poker didn't exist? 🤔
Imagine you're playing online poker at a virtual table with six other players. Now imagine those six other players are actually one person or six individuals colluding on a Skype call. That is cheating at online poker.
I love your chess channel thanks for the information.
I swear if Hans is found beyond the shadow of a doubt to be guilty it would make such an interesting documentary if he's found to be innocent, a less interesting one but still captivating none the less
I remember spending a good deal of my childhood “trying to get teeth”
Gosh I wish I remembered those days.
Well said Benjamin
Do you remember Kasparov? Kasparov in gerneral; Kasparov vs. IBM? Seems that big dominance over years brings a character-development like this.
Wow, at least your chat has the ability to reason. Stan's gonna Stan.
I've been watching the drama since St Louis. Magnus is competing for the biggest sore loser of chess champions - and he has some tough competition so I'm impressed with his commitment, he truly might be the GOAT when this is all said and done
I love the way Magnus crushed Hans some days before while playing on a beach. You know one day we are on a beach, we play two games ... and it looks like you don't really understand what's happen on the board. But hey, suddenly couples of day later, you played like a Super GM without even seem to analysed positions and be concentrated. If chess speaks for itself then what about thoss 2 games on the beach ... when Hans just look like a 2300 ?
@@MultiMarcd Hans won one of those games. Also it is not uncommon for Magnus to crush any opponent making them seem like weak.
Ben's take is the only one that matters 😆
But it could also be the case that Magnus, Nepo knew about Hans history in online chess but thought that cant be done over the board. But when Magnus played Hans in the sinquefield cup he thought that Hans was cheating in the game. As they already alerted the officials before the tournament, Magnus thought that the inspection is still lacking for anti cheat. And thats why he resigned from the tournament and from the next game against Hans.
I feel like I just watched 15min of a guy trying hard not to yell out - "I just don't like Magnus, okay?"
Agreed; good takes. You'd make a good defense lawyer. The circumstances are important here.
Benjamins perspective is to me the one that makes the most sense
A large percentage of the human race is made up of dickriders unfortunately. It's why bullying is so easy. You just need a bunch of people liking one guy more than the other.
Unless...Hans confesses that he cheated..or some solid proof is found. Then we will look like fools..
@@rushiashtikar even if that happens (spoiler: it wont), Magnus has still handled it in a terrible way.
Agreed.
@@rushiashtikar How? He's not saying it's absolutely impossible for Hans to have cheated, just that there's currently no proof of him doing it against Magnus in the Sinquefield Cup so jumping to conclussions is dumb. If the witch hunters happen to be right in the end, that wouldn't magically turn them into reasonable people. It's not about Hans himself, just some common sense.
Always gold - Ben Finegold
Finegold's right why would any of you guys have an opinion at all? basically what he said or atleast what I understood from this video is that theres only one right way, and that's the finegold way, whatever finegold does and thinks is absolutely 100% and you're absolutely wretched if you think even slightly otherwise, and that is why finegold is the greatest human being to ever exist on this planet
I loved how in his statement he wrote like "I made the unprecedented professional decision" when the decision and what he did was like everything but for sure not professional, but actually extremely unprofessional. He acted like a crying kid about it based on him perceiving that Hans somehow didn't focus on the match but smashed him lol.
It doesn’t even make Sense, let alone
be Professional. If he had doubts, he
Should have Quit earlier. 😂
Why do you "love" it? Did you know professional has multiple meanings?
I'm wondering how Magnus thinks Hans cheated over the board. I'm thinking Magnus couldn't properly concentrate since he thinks Hans is capable of cheating against him and just played a poor game as a result. He's angry he lost to Hans in classical chess as white and cannot get over it. I'm sure Hans has cheated in the past, but I'm seriously doubting that he's done anything similar nowadays.
You can Watch Hikaru’s Review of that Game from that Date. Basically he said that both Played Poor Games and Magnus missed multiple Opportunities to Draw the Game. But Hikaru learnt that Logical Reasoning doesn’t get Views. 😂
I doubt Magnus actually thinks Hans cheated against him. He'd have analysed the game after the match and seen the mistakes.
Imagine your chat not understanding when you're joking or being sarcastic.
I'm glad you've got some juicy trending chess drama to comment on. Supported you since you started on CZcams, and anything that grows your channel is good in my book!
In between Miami and St. Louis, cdc announced they were acquiring playmagnus group. Imo this is a part of the timeline, some information that Magnus got as part of his deal with cdc may have played a role. CDC is obviously involved as their ban of Hans at the same time as all this happening indicates.
Yep. There is more to this story than what Ben covered. The chesscom and Magnus connection cannot be ignored.
Exactly what I was thinking. They showed him stuff just before the tournament that freaked him out, and might even have showed how Hans might be able to cheat OTB. But the info is proprietary, so Magnus can't talk about it. But Ben makes good points about why play Hans at all, then? Maybe it was losing that convinced Magnus, without him realizing that he just played badly, which he did. And it seems he thought the two-move game would cast an embarrassing spotlight on Hans, but I think it just made things confusing. And, of course, there's still no actual evidence against Hans.
@@LcdDrmr Since the info is proprietary, Magnus can't release it without Hans' permission. It all makes sense.
GM Finegold is GOLD! 🪙
And he's FINE too!
Makes sense.
Ben definitely has a point. Magnus didn't have any problem about losing against Hans, but he does have against losing. Now that I know they've played before all the drama started, I agree even more that Magnus is handling this poorly, given how smart he is.
This has to be one of the funniest and smartest and most wholesome channels on CZcams.
Finally, somebody gets it right! Thanks Ben!!!
Cheating during rapids may be way harder.
Spot on analysis! Good Job!
very good points. thanks for giving a reasonable viewpoint of the situation.
Oh cmon. Ben isn’t seriously saying that the logistics of cheating in a rapid tournament is the same as cheating in a slow tournament
Plus, he’s saying “yea in Miami nobody cared and they beat him like a drum” yea probably because he didn’t cheat in that event lol. It’s almost like he won against magnus because he cheated lol. Idk how Ben doesn’t get this as it comes out of his own mouth.
@@VitulaJoy he won a game against Magnus in the rapid tournament. So if you are saying that he didnt cheat there you are saying that Hans has the potential to beat Magnus without cheating. He lost all his Matches, not all his games.
@@VitulaJoy 🤡
It’s almost as if Kesia lacks the critical thinking and understanding to have an informed opinion. Kesia hates Hans and hates anyone that contradicts their opinion.
I think we need to take a look at the timeline of the buyout of the magnus group in relationship to Miami game on the beach and the Sinquefeld cup.
Danny swears that nobody from chess24 has been offered to see the list.
FTX Crypto Cup: Aug 15-21
Chesscom announces acquisition of PlayMagnus: Aug 24
Grand Chess Tour announces replacements for Richard Rapport: Aug 24
@@sportsjefe Thank you for the info.
Doesn’t it seem strange that everything appears to be fine and dandy until the buyout? I don’t know. I’m just some stoned guy on the internet
Magnum felt empowered and so decided to go ahead and play the SC, he loathes Hans for some time now. Not playing the SC and saying Hans is a cheater would not create the splash he needed, it had to be public it had to be Magnum!
Telling certain people not to cheat is like telling GM Ben Finegold if he can stay for more than 2 minutes without to crack jokes (which btw I enjoy and welcome and wouldn't wish to halt neither for 1 min).
There was something about the position they had . Hans said that he was lucky he had been looking at the exact position that morning . That Made Magnus suspect, that didnt happen un Miami
Yosha's take on this case made it clear to me that Hans cheated way more than he admitted. Magnus probably developed his rightful suspicion just before the tournament and it got in his head during the game. So Magnus played very bad against Hans and got fairly beaten, he might have been distracted by this thought that Hans takes the piss on colleagues every now and then. And right there and then, Magnus went by his instincts! Magnus could have handled it better, a fair point Benjamin, but the GOAT is not a computer, and like his chess, I'd say he handled this case with a 70% accuracy! ;)
That's where I'm at too as the most likely outcome. It seems very likely Hans has cheated over the board, but seems unlikely he did in the Sinquefield. His performance the rest of Sinquefield cup was more or less on par with his rating, slightly below. Either he still cheated and lost or drew the last 6 games. Scoring 2/6 against 2750s send about right and he lost to Fabi and Nepo. Those 2 guys are hard to draw if you're below 2700
@@12jswilson As Yosha said, he could simply pick at random the games during which he could potentially cheat. It doesn't really matter if he cheated only once during a tournament, the whole performance is tainted.
Imagine playing a stretch of 6 tournaments better than any peak run of Fisher, Kasparov, Magnus, or Fabi’s 2014 Sinquefield Cup, and to then play in a Rapid tournament and score zero points. C’mon man.
That video Yosha posted and Hikaru reacted to makes it pretty obvious what happened. The only real question left for most people is how?
You do know Yosha back tracked that video right? Let me guess you don't actually follow up after the headlines.
@@DubberssMcgee False. She retracted one minor conclusion.
@@DubberssMcgee lol not quite. Were the 10 games played at a perfect 100% included in the 23 games above 90% or no? That’s a genuine question. I’m sure someone will do some research in the next week or so and find that Hans played as many games above 90% accuracy as probably 5 or 6 of the greatest chess players have combined.
Hans simply played perfect chess for 20 games, then proceeded to lose all tournaments that move too fast to relay stockfish info.
Saying that you are thinking that Hans has cheated OTB in the last three years and yet you think everyone should just accept his participation in top tournaments is insane...
Sure you can think that Magnus mishandled the event but your take is ridiculous.
i love this guy's humour
100% Ben, super on point
Ben coming in with the poignant and mature perspective. Truth hurts.
Also logical and not one sided wishful thinking
I like this mans way of thinking and relaying it. It doesn’t mean he is right about this. But I feel as good about this take as any.
He is Right about it because he is
Not Insinuating something like
Magnus did. 😂
"Some of you don't know this...because most of you don't know anything " 😂😂😂
The timeline makes sense if all the stats were available and pointed out to magnus after Miami
That’s true, plus I think cheating during rapid might be more difficult.
@@sportsjefe I think there’s a point where cheating is just unlikely. He may have cheated over the board but I highly doubt he’s been recently cheating honestly. With the spotlight on him cheating now would be stupid and while Hans is excessively weird I think even he isn’t like that.
@@donutmerchant8393 I’m not sure if I think Hans cheated during the cup, and I think Magnus’ reaction was incorrect. I’m just saying he may not’ve been sufficiently swayed before Miami and Hans may not have been able to cheat during bullet.
@@mattbell5602 magnus reaction is completely right. He makes this statement cus he wants better security. He don't want to be insecure because of shady players. Probably fide wouldn't take it srsly if this drama didn't happened.
@@mattbell5602 And Still Magnus Lost to
Hans in One of the Games there. 😂
Now lets talk about the "Elephant in the Room" - in this case Magnus being a crying baby. Great job Mr. Finegold :)
On the same token, has Magnum ever cheated? Particularly on online matches, once you reach the top you want to remain there.
Been waiting for this
9:57 Yes, the correct Rick and Morty phrase is, "Gorgon Shit! Total Gorgon shit!".
What a time to be alive
Hey Ben! Do you think there is a chance that Magnus was/is also suspicious of someone else cheating at the Sinquefield Cup? Could explain why he dropped out after playing Hans (because he didn't want to play the second cheater). And has thought it easier to make an example out of hans rather than the hypothetical "second cheater".
folks maybe you all FORGET that Hans is also a GRANDMASTER, when hes conditioned he can BEAT ANYONE, Magnus is NO EXCEPTION...
You seem to be one of the only GMs speaking facts about this. If Magnus had no issues playing Hans in Miami why would he have issues now as soon as he loses to him