Hans Niemann is AlphaZero CONFIRMED!

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  • @rany4007
    @rany4007 Před rokem +6022

    Idea for a TV series. A school professor in poor health is tired of working 2 jobs for little to no money and goes on to win chess tournaments by cheating in most devious ways.
    Name: Breaking Bead

  • @markelkerton1579
    @markelkerton1579 Před rokem +777

    Agadmator: "I'm not interested in making any claims or trying to prove anyone is a cheater, so take this all light-heartedly. There's a difference between evidence and proof."
    Agadmator's CZcams thumbnail: "Hans Niemann is AlphaZero CONFIRMED!"

    • @kurtblancheardina929
      @kurtblancheardina929 Před rokem +4

      😆😆

    • @joshlisik2196
      @joshlisik2196 Před rokem +1

      Yea, no shit. I liked this guy, but if theres something online i hate its being shamelessly clickbaited. Fuck this channel

    • @Tekay37
      @Tekay37 Před rokem +35

      While this comment adds to the "engagement" for this video and might attract even more viewers, I also made the decision to "block" the channel, so it doesn't get into my timeline again, because of that.

    • @kennethkretschmer1027
      @kennethkretschmer1027 Před rokem +25

      All these people are willing to die on the hill of defending a cheater’s honor, intriguing.

    • @hivesteel
      @hivesteel Před rokem +13

      @@Tekay37 yep I’ll do the same, click bait is a cancer

  • @JuanRodriguez-im6ul
    @JuanRodriguez-im6ul Před rokem +3281

    I suppose my friends at the bar won't be very impressed when I explain them the difference between proof and evidence. But my friends at the library are gonna love it

    • @rodstone1597
      @rodstone1597 Před rokem +66

      Best comment of the month

    • @sattvi
      @sattvi Před rokem +14

      Amazing

    • @dragonovich6257
      @dragonovich6257 Před rokem +12

      😂😂😂 Ingenious

    • @mattp8654
      @mattp8654 Před rokem +37

      The thing that kinda annoys me... Is that people are making such a big deal about how Magnus handled it.. Like at the end of the day it's any of their effhing business... Kept hearing things like Magnus owes an explanation... Like how stupid can you be... Why would he give Hans neiman the power to sue him after Magnus accused him of cheating... Because that's exactly what he did.. End of story.. And people want to tap dance around that and make a mountain of a molehill "what did he mean" "what in the world is going on" " this is so bad, magnus is wromg for this".. Magnus was very clear that he thought Hans cheated on him in in the 1st match and then undoubtedly reconfirmed it for any of the slow bus people .. w e

    • @marshallrose8762
      @marshallrose8762 Před rokem +3

      hahaha

  • @McWhity
    @McWhity Před rokem +630

    Hans just by miracle analyzed this exact position the day before

  • @marvinm8343
    @marvinm8343 Před rokem +931

    Props to Mishra for lasting 56 moves against AlphaZero.

    • @lionelmessi4953
      @lionelmessi4953 Před rokem +54

      literally.
      i mean this is worse than engine accuracy. either hans is the best player ever in history of chess. or something is stockfishy about this.

    • @MauricioMartinez0707
      @MauricioMartinez0707 Před rokem +59

      @@lionelmessi4953 Did you not watch the video? agad specifically points out that BOTH of them basically played top engine moves the entire game, not just Hans

    • @jtindisa
      @jtindisa Před rokem +45

      @@MauricioMartinez0707 yes but that knight trapping the king is not how humans play.

    • @lalapt127
      @lalapt127 Před rokem +29

      except that mishra has calculated couple of moves ahead , while hans moves shows effect after 10 moves later.

    • @stephenmeek5757
      @stephenmeek5757 Před rokem +27

      @@lalapt127 trapping your own piece isn't something a human would consider but an engine would play it

  • @chronzee1289
    @chronzee1289 Před rokem +1903

    0:01 Hello everyone
    0:50 If you check the dictionary really quickly
    2:04 Spectacular game
    2:45 Nothing to do for Stockfish
    4:01 Completely new game
    5:35 Game over
    6:29 Castles queenside
    6:47 7:20 9:39 11:15 12:58 Captures captures
    7:49 Feel free to pause the video
    9:12 Play pretty much the rest of the game without a king
    9:33 Pawn to b4
    10:45 Voice crack
    13:25 It was in this position
    13:54 So yeah

  • @408nickanthony
    @408nickanthony Před rokem +1076

    Impressive, not many people can take Alpha Zero into a King pawn endgame.

    • @verrettlasatt7909
      @verrettlasatt7909 Před rokem +9

      Well put my friend

    • @charbroiledmonk1033
      @charbroiledmonk1033 Před rokem +53

      Clearly the youngest Grandmaster in history has nothing on the Smoken Niemann 5000.

    • @kwittnebel
      @kwittnebel Před rokem +7

      So were they both cheating?

    • @kwittnebel
      @kwittnebel Před rokem +10

      Imagine cheating with top engine moves all game and still losing.

    • @dizzy9146
      @dizzy9146 Před rokem +10

      @@kwittnebel are you slow ?

  • @davidchico9574
    @davidchico9574 Před rokem +125

    Former prosecutor here. To see Agad discuss the proof v. evidence concept, Agad again has reached a new level of awesomeness.

    • @cdunne1620
      @cdunne1620 Před rokem +2

      ..YES BUT IT IS REALLY HURTING THE MAGNUS / HIKAROO FANBOYS, there will be many sleepless nights heh heh

    • @YodaZemunski
      @YodaZemunski Před rokem +2

      As if we needed more reasons to respect this man. Props, nothing else.

    • @GR-qz8fx
      @GR-qz8fx Před rokem

      ALAB

  • @georgehornsby2075
    @georgehornsby2075 Před rokem +944

    Agadmator giving out English as well as chess lessons, love to see it!

  • @iannovak5223
    @iannovak5223 Před rokem +539

    "Alphazero speaks for itself" - Hans

    • @elaadt
      @elaadt Před rokem +18

      "Alphazero speaks for Hans."
      - myself

    • @joelwilliamson3322
      @joelwilliamson3322 Před rokem +6

      @@elaadt “Hans speaks for Alphazero” -me

    • @irawanie8635
      @irawanie8635 Před rokem +1

      Like Deep Blue, AlphaZero is already taken into museum by Google.
      So using AlphaZero engine is a nonsense of course.

    • @dizzy9146
      @dizzy9146 Před rokem +1

      @@irawanie8635 I don't think they actually believe hans is cheating in this game

    • @bobbyfischer7179
      @bobbyfischer7179 Před rokem +2

      @@dizzy9146 Dude he's cheating come on 😂🤣

  • @geofixated
    @geofixated Před rokem +130

    Niemann played AlphaZero and 7 moves in AlphaZero said "Hey, wait a minute. Am I playing myself?"

  • @delboy9234
    @delboy9234 Před rokem +143

    Heroic performance by Mishra, considering he was playing against perfection.

    • @tongobong1
      @tongobong1 Před 11 měsíci

      Yes Hans is really good. He is going to replace Magnus.

  • @stt5v2002
    @stt5v2002 Před rokem +753

    English can be a confusing language. For example, this is a compliment: “Hans is alpha zero”.
    And this is an accusation: “Hans is alpha zero.”

    • @catstealer419dominion7
      @catstealer419dominion7 Před rokem +70

      We must polish the Polish furniture.

    • @S3mproniusDensus
      @S3mproniusDensus Před rokem +76

      This has nothing to do with english, the meaning of the two sentence depends on the tone, the way you say it it’s not exclusive to english

    • @tomr6955
      @tomr6955 Před rokem +11

      @@S3mproniusDensus But you're speaking English right? Surely it's a function of English.

    • @user-qh4dr1vy9d
      @user-qh4dr1vy9d Před rokem +48

      This is just context, show me a language that is not affected by it

    • @rochfati2732
      @rochfati2732 Před rokem +15

      It depends on the context regardless the language used : Arabic, French, Chinese...u name it

  • @abdullahalshafie3375
    @abdullahalshafie3375 Před 8 měsíci +6

    "The chess speaks for itself" ~ AlphaZero

  • @elijahhang9986
    @elijahhang9986 Před rokem +54

    Luckily Hans was studying this exact position two nights ago! Hard work pays off folks

  • @MrZAPPER1000
    @MrZAPPER1000 Před rokem +4

    this video is probably going to blow up and i'm glad. you 100% deserve it thanks for the great videos

  • @Like-a-trolling-stone
    @Like-a-trolling-stone Před rokem +902

    AlphaZero spoke for itself.

    • @jwaxmcgeeg9706
      @jwaxmcgeeg9706 Před rokem +5

      You just made my day lmao

    • @drstrange9603
      @drstrange9603 Před rokem +11

      Hans is from Multiverse, he cheated in one Universe and he is World champion in another where Magnus cheated! The root of all problems is he often gets confused which Universe he is in and hence says "Chess speaks for itself"

    • @1VIP1daniel1VIP1
      @1VIP1daniel1VIP1 Před rokem

      xD

    • @spiralfireball8663
      @spiralfireball8663 Před rokem +1

      @@drstrange9603 LOL 😂😂😂😂

    • @abdullahsaidgul8005
      @abdullahsaidgul8005 Před rokem +4

      AlphaBeads*

  • @coxscorner
    @coxscorner Před rokem +618

    Basically Hans has 9 100% games and 24 above 90% in the last 3 years. Magnus has only had 3 100% games in his entire career. Hans had a 6 tournament run with an average engine move better than Bobby Fischer's famous 20 game win streak. This is a feat that neither Fischer, Magnus or Kasparov accomplished at their peak. So either he suddenly became the greatest player of all time after turning 17, or he is cheating. You decide.

    • @4vn14
      @4vn14 Před rokem +122

      If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, ITS A DUCK!

    • @markoerakovic9899
      @markoerakovic9899 Před rokem +34

      Again that is bull****, people raging over 100% are dumbos, you would be surprised but the 100% of those 3 Carlsen games were the exciting ones, most of the 100% games go unnoticed as they are boring, you play well and then you win and forget it. Also I doubt you did research those games and even if you did, you probably did it poorly. Thats why special teams are made for this. You do not find cheaters like GM Naroditsky by booting up stockfish in 3:30 in the morning and going......... Complete nonsense, and as Ben Finegold said: It's all not really anything except good content for Hikaru, Agad, Levy and others... They are not able to pinpoint anything, but granted its entertaining^^

    • @dimkilago2958
      @dimkilago2958 Před rokem +12

      Where you saw these stats lol?Paranoia...

    • @danielsogge136
      @danielsogge136 Před rokem +39

      @@dimkilago2958 Google it?

    • @danielsogge136
      @danielsogge136 Před rokem +24

      It speaks for itself, as if it wasn't obviously enough before that data emerged.

  • @feliperodrigues5437
    @feliperodrigues5437 Před rokem +43

    Whatever engine Hans is using behind the scenes is truly one of the best players of all time.

  • @pt7258
    @pt7258 Před rokem +52

    Hans last game as an IM against GM Sebastian Maze was a "Spectacular one".
    Hans Won in 22 moves and not a single piece was captured in the game.

    • @Consortiumed
      @Consortiumed Před rokem +2

      Use #suggestion so he can see this comment when looking for future video ideas!

  • @Dzokhar
    @Dzokhar Před rokem +336

    The beginning of an Agadmator video is ALWAYS a chuckle-fest. Seriously amazing dry humor.

    • @barbaroacosta5335
      @barbaroacosta5335 Před rokem +5

      Easter Europeans are the kings of dry humor.

    • @MrNoWaya
      @MrNoWaya Před rokem +5

      @@barbaroacosta5335 ah yes, Croatia, the heart of eastern Europe!

    • @DS-me7kk
      @DS-me7kk Před rokem

      @@MrNoWaya Also, Italy land of the rising sun

  • @danielhill3665
    @danielhill3665 Před rokem +262

    In the era of debate, proof vs evidence is definitely something I can use in my travels, thank you agadmator. More studying to do.

    • @dmitripogosian5084
      @dmitripogosian5084 Před rokem +4

      If you think what prove is, it is always a decision to consider the evidence sufficient. Unless it is a trivial logical construction, but that carries no new knowledge

    • @tor13128
      @tor13128 Před rokem +5

      but don't go overboard. because proof is built from evidence, so the only practical use you'd have from the definition would basically be to point out inconclusive evidence, which im sure you were already doing, which really makes no difference in practical cases. you don't want to be the annoying one going around saying "that's not proof, that's evidence!"

    • @jestice75
      @jestice75 Před rokem +2

      Just wait until you folks get a hold of the idea of preponderance of evidence.

    • @illumidev4201
      @illumidev4201 Před rokem +2

      I have never felt the touch of a woman.

    • @palestalemale8831
      @palestalemale8831 Před rokem +3

      @@illumidev4201 anime pfp checks out.

  • @Hesperiam
    @Hesperiam Před rokem +12

    I'm so hyped, I called the Re6 brilliancy, quite proud of that one. Just thinking of the logic of "the opposing rook is forced to capture otherwise you lose the rook or knight"

  • @RNS149
    @RNS149 Před rokem +4

    Agad with the wisdom. I will definitely tell my friends at the bar the difference between proof and evidence. I appreciate how fair you've been on the topic a truly level headed commentator. I myself need to work on that.

  • @ronjohnson9690
    @ronjohnson9690 Před rokem +5

    Your assessment was very helpful. Thank you agadmator.

  • @lornemalvo4492
    @lornemalvo4492 Před rokem +104

    I remember your upload of AlphaZero trapping the Stockfish queen on H8. That was possibly the most insane engine game I've ever seen played out. Love when you reference a couple year old video, I know exactly which game you're talking about :)

    • @elmahdiboulhya6835
      @elmahdiboulhya6835 Před rokem

      Can you show what the game is please ! Thanks in advance

    • @mariostone2404
      @mariostone2404 Před rokem

      Bump

    • @lornemalvo4492
      @lornemalvo4492 Před rokem +7

      czcams.com/video/lFXJWPhDsSY/video.html here is the game for those who are asking

    • @elmahdiboulhya6835
      @elmahdiboulhya6835 Před rokem +1

      @@lornemalvo4492 thanks but no. I want the game where alphazero traped his OWN queen in purpose

    • @lornemalvo4492
      @lornemalvo4492 Před rokem +4

      @@elmahdiboulhya6835 ??? In the video Antonio references the game where AlphaZero trapped the queen, which is what I linked. There is no video of AlphaZero trapping their own queen if that's what you're looking for, as far as I know.

  • @rogerstone3068
    @rogerstone3068 Před rokem +11

    "While it loses the game, it is the absolute best move" - I seem to find quite a lot of those.

  • @enaworuoghenevwoke5828
    @enaworuoghenevwoke5828 Před rokem +1

    Great game! Also, I just realized how truly brilliant Agad is as a person, with the proof/evidence analysis; seeking to clarify subtle ambiguities. Keep it up and best wishes.

  • @Toadspring
    @Toadspring Před rokem +98

    He speaks English better than half the people I know and I live in the middle of the United States

    • @needbpm187
      @needbpm187 Před rokem +15

      same but i live in england west midlands....

    • @sooperd00p
      @sooperd00p Před rokem

      Its our public education system. it is 100% corrupt from top to bottom. they barely teach anything constructive or practical outside of The Message. Its a crime against humanity and that is not hyperbole. its really bad here.

    • @catstealer419dominion7
      @catstealer419dominion7 Před rokem +6

      I’m a generic midwestern white man, albeit a highly educated one, and I can’t speak a second language to save my life. Nothing but respect for those people who achieve fluency in a second tongue.

    • @dannacht6827
      @dannacht6827 Před rokem +3

      Most Americans draw their family lineage from laborers. They weren't scholars by any means.

    • @deadlyopponent6656
      @deadlyopponent6656 Před rokem +1

      @@catstealer419dominion7 you have no idea how hard it is.. it took years from to even be somehow acknowledged as almost a fluent English speaker since my mother tangue is Arabic. 8 years in particular and thousands of hours spent listening and engaging with the foreigns to improve

  • @primeobjective5469
    @primeobjective5469 Před rokem +304

    "AlphaZero lives vicariously through me."
    -probably Hans Niemann

    • @rajaselvam37
      @rajaselvam37 Před rokem

      *lives vicariously in my asshole

    • @danyboon4851
      @danyboon4851 Před rokem +6

      I can feel alpha zero in my gut

    • @njason700
      @njason700 Před rokem +1

      @@danyboon4851 pause

    • @deadpool8580
      @deadpool8580 Před rokem

      @@danyboon4851 What's alpha zero doing in your butt?

    • @treck87
      @treck87 Před rokem +1

      "Gives tapeworm a whole new meaning" -- Elon Musk probably

  • @NathanHarrison7
    @NathanHarrison7 Před rokem +2

    Pure genius. Thank you for sharing this with us.

  • @enriquevecerra4651
    @enriquevecerra4651 Před rokem

    Brutal partida!.gracias Agadmator's,Saludos.

  • @navibongo9354
    @navibongo9354 Před rokem +61

    Hans "The chess speaks for itself" Niemann

  • @Raxarion
    @Raxarion Před rokem +141

    White King: Now you've trapped yourself.
    Black Knight: I'm not trapped here with you , you're trapped here with me!

    • @-_Nuke_-
      @-_Nuke_- Před rokem +15

      I can hear this comment :D

    • @sublimeade
      @sublimeade Před rokem +4

      "Now youre gonna find out the score."
      Alpha: 1-0. Come and get me!

    • @plantsir9173
      @plantsir9173 Před rokem +1

      😂

    • @holydodo
      @holydodo Před rokem +3

      It's clear now that Bruce Wayne was never Batman, it was Walter Joseph Kovacs all along!

    • @1001011011010
      @1001011011010 Před rokem +2

      As Fabiano said, the king is a piece too! That king ain't going anywhere.

  • @VinodSajjan
    @VinodSajjan Před rokem +18

    Agad since we are seeing a Hans effects more often, now you have to also specify whether the game was played online mode or on the board… just like you mention whether it’s Classical, Rapid etc

    • @applesteve6932
      @applesteve6932 Před rokem +7

      Look at the little android robot cartoon in the bottom right of the video. Just below Agadmator. This indicates whether the game is Classical, Rapid, etc by the letter on the robot android cartoon.
      C = Classical
      R = Rapid
      B = Blitz

    • @TheGrinningSkull
      @TheGrinningSkull Před rokem +13

      @@applesteve6932 you didn’t answer his question. Original commentator already knows this, but wanted to know if this is over the board or online. Perhaps it was all over the board until after covid?

    • @starliaghtsz8400
      @starliaghtsz8400 Před měsícem

      ​@@TheGrinningSkullwho the hell plays online classical games

  • @ciryamir1824
    @ciryamir1824 Před rokem +81

    I really like your handling of the Carlsen-Niemann Situation, not taking sides, no speculations just facts and refusing to indulge in wild rumors.
    Thanks for that and please stay like that.

    • @oscarwahlstrom5426
      @oscarwahlstrom5426 Před rokem +7

      I don't think this video is without subtle insinuations.

    • @austinnunez2031
      @austinnunez2031 Před rokem +10

      @@oscarwahlstrom5426 agreed, he leans more towards defending Hans than looking at it from strictly a stats perspective. I believe innocent until proven guilty but once chessbase showed the numbers, statistically there is no way he didnt play unfairly. In this game if i recall Hans got a 100% engine correlation and Mishra got 77%. i could be wrong i'm going by vague memory from when I watched the video. Awesome defense by Mishra, and if this was the only 100% game from Hans then it really is his best game of his life. However he has 10 100% games, where most top GMs dont even have 1. Very suspicious.

    • @slothbearanonymous
      @slothbearanonymous Před rokem +1

      I remember this one young guy who made it his life's goal to beat the world champion. And when the day finally arrived he was so excited to explain how well he played. He was buzzing with enthusiasm and joy so keen to talk to the camera. And so with absolute excitement at achieving his lifes goal he stood in front of that camera. But in a strange turn of events he said in a grumpy, almost angry tone, "chess speaks for itself", and walked away. Then the audience asked, why was he angry after winning? A voice of judgement whispered, "he is angry because he sold his soul".

    • @tyrannusrex31
      @tyrannusrex31 Před rokem +7

      @@slothbearanonymous It’s weird that he went from cheating between the ages of 12 and 16 to beating the world champion at 19 and the only comments he could make about the game were actively avoiding talking about the game.

    • @Frip36
      @Frip36 Před rokem

      Define "facts" and we'll take you seriously. Until then, you'll remain a willfully naive ostrich.

  • @omarocegueda6132
    @omarocegueda6132 Před rokem +197

    “How dare you compare alpha zero to me, I’m alpha 007” Hans Neiman

    • @tor13128
      @tor13128 Před rokem +8

      007 makes sense since Hans is every engine in disguise like a spy. Alpha Zero is incapable of disguise.

    • @TheHomelessDreamer
      @TheHomelessDreamer Před rokem +5

      AlphaZero speaks for itself

  • @marshallrose8762
    @marshallrose8762 Před rokem +25

    thanks for the straight commentary on a brilliant game from both players.

  • @crnimate2434
    @crnimate2434 Před rokem

    Bravo Stari..odlicna analiza

  • @markangus3252
    @markangus3252 Před rokem +7

    The question I asked myself was who would think of trapping their own knight so early with the plan of using it to trap the white king and essentially heading for an endgame where kings are much more useful than knights. I don't remember reading anything like that in Kotov's pre-engine era classic "Think like a grandmaster". Time for someone to write "Think like an engine".

  • @maheiluwang515
    @maheiluwang515 Před rokem +26

    Either Misra plays AlphaZero and forced only move...or Hans plays like AlphaZero would..both are scary

  • @allanzacca2870
    @allanzacca2870 Před rokem +237

    The Alpha Zero speaks for itself.

    • @miloradowicz
      @miloradowicz Před rokem

      More like Hans speaks for AlphaZero, while AlphaZero speaks against Hans.

  • @johnwest7993
    @johnwest7993 Před rokem +4

    I think it's easier to make near perfect moves in response to perfect moves than it is to make the original perfect moves. It's like following someone down a rugged path when they already know where it's going.

  • @dam-n
    @dam-n Před rokem +17

    Thank you for that clarification. I think simple and direct engagement with sensationalist content is so productive. I am grateful to those who do it as objectively as you do. I don't comment enough to tell you how much I appreciate your presence in our world.

  • @Burton-uu1sy
    @Burton-uu1sy Před rokem +12

    Brilliant game. Good instructional game for beginners on how all you need is a single pawn of material to win, trading everything off to the end.

    • @NowhereMan7
      @NowhereMan7 Před rokem +12

      Nah beginners can trade everything off and still lose easily when up many pawns. Chess is hard

    • @tw-ec1of
      @tw-ec1of Před rokem

      That's just to basic man

    • @stratosm3154
      @stratosm3154 Před rokem

      It's indeed instructional but beginners will make blunders with bigger advantages. Hans also had to play a great endgame go win this game

  • @damonm3
    @damonm3 Před rokem +380

    I’m more impressed with the defense. What a boss

    • @user-mj3gi6zf7i
      @user-mj3gi6zf7i Před rokem +64

      Yeah, very inpressive defence against StockFish or LC0.

    • @avg_user-dd2yb
      @avg_user-dd2yb Před rokem +14

      @@user-mj3gi6zf7i cope.

    • @michaelharbach1987
      @michaelharbach1987 Před rokem +10

      Trapping your own knight in order to trap the king is by far the most impressive idea in this particular game

    • @magnum4989
      @magnum4989 Před rokem +31

      probably both cheating lmao

    • @onionman8160
      @onionman8160 Před rokem +10

      @@magnum4989 damn, everyone is cheating nowadays

  • @paulcervenka
    @paulcervenka Před rokem +2

    For English being your second language, you used the "smoking gun" metaphor perfectly. Great video as always!

  • @bestvitalic
    @bestvitalic Před rokem +2

    So refined and well explained! I appreciate very much your work agadmator!

  • @aoi6307
    @aoi6307 Před rokem +255

    If Hans used engine in this game and his opponent really did well and put up a great fight then Mishra could be the next big star in chess, imagine fighting chess engine only to lose In a king and pawn endgame.

  • @gaurichess
    @gaurichess Před rokem +83

    I was one of the participants in this tournament and I thought this game and the game vs Ostrovskiy were out of the ordinary

    • @bhough410
      @bhough410 Před rokem +3

      #suggestion can we see the game vs Ostrovskiy too?

    • @stateofdecay2210
      @stateofdecay2210 Před rokem +8

      because he's a cheater

    • @dizzy9146
      @dizzy9146 Před rokem

      No you weren't lol.

    • @r_se
      @r_se Před rokem +22

      @@dizzy9146 yea he was search gauri shankar charlotte fall invitational and youll see he participated

    • @johncale1849
      @johncale1849 Před rokem +2

      What do you mean by "out of the ordinary"?

  • @CowardEdd
    @CowardEdd Před rokem +2

    Wow, brilliant game. That king cage was a thing of beauty, but in fairness, what a defence from Mishra.
    I suppose one way of putting the first point in simple terms is that evidence suggests something, proof confirms it.

  • @AminRafat
    @AminRafat Před rokem +4

    Good sir, your double entendre, reverse psychology sarcasm is an art in and of itself.

  • @nafinbong9222
    @nafinbong9222 Před rokem +289

    Suffocating the king with the pawns is so like the alpha zero play style.

    • @camreese
      @camreese Před rokem +53

      Bro forreal thats not a human style of playing

    • @dimkilago2958
      @dimkilago2958 Před rokem +11

      @@camreese The position is not so complex lol.The lines are so forced.

    • @swapnilkulkarni877
      @swapnilkulkarni877 Před rokem +54

      @@dimkilago2958 Like you have enough elo rating to judge whether it is forcing or not lol..

    • @dimkilago2958
      @dimkilago2958 Před rokem +2

      @@swapnilkulkarni877 Of course i have noob.

    • @danielsogge136
      @danielsogge136 Před rokem +30

      @@dimkilago2958 What is this? A 10 year old from RuneScape 2008? Fascinating.

  • @amarg1650
    @amarg1650 Před rokem +21

    The chess speaks for itself, litteraly, he doesnt need to say anything anymore 🤣

  • @joeremus9039
    @joeremus9039 Před rokem +3

    Thank you so much for this analysis. At the top level, chess is a magnificent, beautiful game.

  • @aristosachaion_
    @aristosachaion_ Před rokem +45

    Rorschach's infamous "I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me" quote would have been fantastic for this video

    • @plouischenu
      @plouischenu Před rokem +2

      Was thinking about that same quote ^^ was reading Watchmen few days ago

    • @sublimeade
      @sublimeade Před rokem

      Its not infamous, its famous

  • @joshua2329
    @joshua2329 Před rokem +50

    This game is really instructive I think. It shows the importance of the King in the endgame. :>

    • @revant147
      @revant147 Před rokem

      the beauty there was getting equality with a trapped piece else if that pawn chain would fall it would have been gg

    • @avg_user-dd2yb
      @avg_user-dd2yb Před rokem

      Pawn push,and knight sacrifice.

    • @thecomputer5515
      @thecomputer5515 Před rokem

      Sì:>

  • @PDJMDS
    @PDJMDS Před rokem +68

    If you watch Fabi and Nakas commentary on the whole situation it is clear that they are 99% sure that chess speaks for itself

    • @snaxx2337
      @snaxx2337 Před rokem +49

      Nakamura? That bandwagon jumping drama queen?

    • @bassmanjr100
      @bassmanjr100 Před rokem +13

      Ignore any gossip Naki shares and your world will be better for it.

    • @Rohanifed
      @Rohanifed Před rokem +13

      @@snaxx2337 Yes, aka the guy who was right all along.

    • @bbartlow0307
      @bbartlow0307 Před rokem +7

      Fabi was very objective and trying hard to put the best construction on every move. But even he started using the word "suspicious".

    • @bricehatcher8391
      @bricehatcher8391 Před rokem +6

      Wesley literally thanked the anti cheating committee after beating Hans in the sinquefield cup. What does that tell us?

  • @baydrixnewzealandwarrobotf2681

    Hope all is well. Great to see you on my feed again.

  • @px7460
    @px7460 Před rokem

    Great game, great commentary (as usual agamator).
    Reading some of the comments here... a race to the bottom.

  • @jobbins008
    @jobbins008 Před rokem +144

    I can’t believe Hans played better than Fischer at his peak! Amazing.

  • @newyorkslim2001
    @newyorkslim2001 Před rokem +115

    You gotta love Agad's take on the situation. So balanced and reasonable... What a great contributor to chess and education in general.

    • @Mat0m
      @Mat0m Před rokem

      Really the man, i like his Intake in this

    • @schlechtgut8349
      @schlechtgut8349 Před rokem +2

      did you read the title?

  • @fsher2955
    @fsher2955 Před rokem +7

    The chess spoke for itself once again

  • @SP-cp3qu
    @SP-cp3qu Před rokem

    Appreciate your level headed take on this

  • @fuwestside4
    @fuwestside4 Před rokem +12

    Hans "The Engine" Neimann

  • @tonyrichmond9428
    @tonyrichmond9428 Před rokem +110

    Another way to explain the difference is:
    Evidence is suggestive, proof is definitive.
    Love the channel.

    • @CramcrumBrewbringer
      @CramcrumBrewbringer Před rokem

      Not in court.

    • @tonyrichmond9428
      @tonyrichmond9428 Před rokem

      @@CramcrumBrewbringer explain

    • @stevenjones8575
      @stevenjones8575 Před rokem +1

      @@timetheory84 Perhaps a more accurate analogy would be you have an admitted serial killer in custody, and you're pressing them to find out if they have any more victims you don't know about. Pretty standard procedure.

    • @tonyrichmond9428
      @tonyrichmond9428 Před rokem

      @@timetheory84 if you have proof, you don't need evidence (unless the proof depends upon it). Just because you have a suspect and you find evidence doesn't mean you can prove the suspect did it, even if he really did (I think that's what you're saying), sure. But if you have proof that so and so did it, what else do you need?

    • @tonyrichmond9428
      @tonyrichmond9428 Před rokem

      @@stevenjones8575 but more to the point, a confession isn't proof either, just more evidence.

  • @williamgoss4691
    @williamgoss4691 Před rokem +2

    A completely fascinating game; even more so given the back-story that Nieman faces…

  • @IVAN122ism
    @IVAN122ism Před rokem

    Pozdrav,zanima me koji šahovski program koristite za PC ja sam koristio jedno vrjeme deep fritz međutim win 10 ga prepoznaje kao virus pa ga ne zeli pokrenuti,nasam se da nije problem jer postavljam poitanje na hrvatskom

  • @TheDeatheater3
    @TheDeatheater3 Před rokem +51

    This is absolutely an engine game.

    • @user-mj3gi6zf7i
      @user-mj3gi6zf7i Před rokem +3

      I think Alpha Zero would be proud for such a game for black!

    • @roflol100
      @roflol100 Před rokem +1

      Yea no doubt

  • @weevilunderwood149
    @weevilunderwood149 Před rokem +9

    Hans gave Mishra a Knightmare!

  • @Serious_Drinking
    @Serious_Drinking Před rokem +12

    Love it, that while most people are jumping to conclusions you are one of the few who presents facts and even more in such an entertaining way!

  • @lifeinabox1
    @lifeinabox1 Před rokem +1

    Appreciated this video ( as all from you Agadmator) and the link to Yosha’s. Her’s also was v interesting, and continues to suggest (evidence not proof) that Magnus’ allegation that Hans has “cheated more and more recently” is not lacking evidence.

    • @dansmart3182
      @dansmart3182 Před rokem

      Her videos have been jokes to anyone with a basic understanding of statistics.

  • @janetb3216
    @janetb3216 Před rokem +3

    You are a man of integrity!!!!!!!!!! Please never sell out just to get views as YOU are far better than that

  • @contentagious7233
    @contentagious7233 Před rokem +76

    Wow what a mature and sensible guy...Among all chess channels this is the only guy who has refused to defame someone without proof...Kudos to you...Respect from Pakistan

    • @malibunights7108
      @malibunights7108 Před rokem +12

      that is what I love about Gotham! he is really a good guy

    • @iforgot383
      @iforgot383 Před rokem +2

      why do you have to add pakistan as if its related to anything??

    • @maloxi1472
      @maloxi1472 Před rokem +4

      You're being very liberal with your use of the word "defame". No one "defamed" Hans.

    • @peapod5629
      @peapod5629 Před rokem +7

      @Hunters Laptop Even if he did suspect Hans was cheating, he is mature enough to not rattle about it as if he had definitive proof. He understands his words have consequences unlike some other content creators...

    • @dhrubaganguly7758
      @dhrubaganguly7758 Před rokem +1

      Pakistani commenting on chess channels?😬

  • @jeffersonthomas1269
    @jeffersonthomas1269 Před rokem +1

    I like this, Agad should say "detailed alternate strategies will be covered after the game review all those interested keep watching".
    I think this is a better way to do the reviews.
    Mark the actual review marked with time gaps and allow the viewers who want quick precise reviews to watch that part only.
    Then the never never land tangents can be sought with only the viewers who want it.

  • @JellyMonster1
    @JellyMonster1 Před rokem +1

    Fantastic game - excellent review and analysis as usual - many thanks.

  • @danielbozza
    @danielbozza Před rokem +121

    One thing Caruana pointed at his analysis was the close to none time spent by hans on these brilliant moves

  • @boccobadz
    @boccobadz Před rokem +14

    It's the most sus game of his career because it wins move by move but later down the line. No human would play like that with a thought of getting winning endgame. Only engines play like that.

  • @sonicsack685
    @sonicsack685 Před rokem +3

    Since the king was trapped i felt like Abhimanyu was being tortured by Niemann, there was never a chance to recover from that

  • @MrUnwichtig109
    @MrUnwichtig109 Před rokem

    thank you for your comment on the from me requested video
    maybe i also jumped to quick, you are right witht the evidence and proof difference
    thx agad!

  • @aiks7761
    @aiks7761 Před rokem +30

    Big ups to Mishra for putting up this resistance against Alpha Zero

    • @Pasharamus
      @Pasharamus Před rokem +5

      clearly Mishra was using an engine as well, just a worse one, since most of his moves were top engine moves as well as agadmator said.
      Do you guys even watch the video or just read the title?

  • @tr4nnel752
    @tr4nnel752 Před rokem +110

    I like how nuanced Agadmator is. Since he is not a top GM, this is the best move in the position.

    • @hypercubemaster2729
      @hypercubemaster2729 Před rokem

      @@MrK623 That went right over your head. 😐

    • @tatrotzz3643
      @tatrotzz3643 Před rokem

      @@MrK623 You totally misunderstood his comment.

    • @hypercubemaster2729
      @hypercubemaster2729 Před rokem

      @@tatrotzz3643 Right. Antonio was definitely dropping subtle hints, lol.

    • @paulm2518
      @paulm2518 Před rokem

      Did I get here too late and a previous comment has been removed? :)

    • @dtouey
      @dtouey Před rokem +4

      Well, unlike a gm, he doesn't have to kiss Carlson's ass.

  • @carlo_cali
    @carlo_cali Před rokem +1

    Agadmator, I've been watching you years. I don't if your system can tell when, at least 2018. When you stated English is not your first language, well I know you're from Croatia, but you English is fluent and completely conversational. I've lived in the states my whole life and I'm sure with your English skills you could be hired at any Croatian Consulate or Embassy.

  • @williambalogh9293
    @williambalogh9293 Před rokem

    Thank you for the top move(s) percentage bit at the end.

  • @jdbond1990
    @jdbond1990 Před rokem +73

    Actually a cool nickname if he eventually clears his name - Hans “the engine” Niemann.

    • @youtubeuniversity9098
      @youtubeuniversity9098 Před rokem +2

      He will end up claiming he is part ***** ancestry.

    • @Triple3D
      @Triple3D Před rokem +18

      Bro he is a cheater u still think he can come clean? 😂😂😂

    • @atomaalatonal
      @atomaalatonal Před rokem

      more like hans "100%" niemann

    • @jdbond1990
      @jdbond1990 Před rokem +1

      @@Triple3D admittedly a big “if” 😏

    • @Triple3D
      @Triple3D Před rokem +5

      @@jdbond1990 more like the smallest if. My guy went silent after Carlsen's statement. Also not mentioning his suspicions all this time and his replies after beating magnus. Not even the superGMs dared to speak like that against Carlsen after thry beat him in a match. Not only Hans is a cheater but a kid who didn't raised well

  • @hewazangana
    @hewazangana Před rokem +24

    I wonder what was the post interview for Hans on this game.
    I suppose something along the lines of "he messed up the opening" to "I don't have to show lines" to "chess speaks for itself''.

  • @seanyager3177
    @seanyager3177 Před rokem +2

    Thanks for pointing out that ''evidence'' is not the same as ''proof''

  • @OwenCarver
    @OwenCarver Před rokem +1

    Top or 2nd top engine move doesn't give us a percentage of accuracy like chessbase might. Do you know the percentage accuracy score they each had? I think you should analyze one of Hans' 100% games with 30+ moves.

  • @theronerdithas2944
    @theronerdithas2944 Před rokem +19

    A very "I'm not trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with me!" kind of game.

  • @Mossbergg
    @Mossbergg Před rokem +12

    If anyone want more and arguably "better" analysis of this game then check out Fabiano Caruanas C Squared podcast, then you will actually see how insane some of these moves are

    • @zomakaja
      @zomakaja Před rokem +1

      What episode?

    • @majdq8
      @majdq8 Před rokem

      Yes as Caruana says ... an alien is playing here

  • @podunkest
    @podunkest Před rokem

    I love getting good insight and interesting questions regarding my native language, English, from non-native speakers. People for whom English is not their mother tongue, I've noticed, tend to offer a really unique point of view regarding syntax and usage that native speakers just might not consider.

  • @janealam9435
    @janealam9435 Před rokem +1

    Beautiful game masterpiece

  • @TheWaxlemon
    @TheWaxlemon Před rokem +66

    anyone else remember a few years ago when hans was playing hikaru online (and getting destoryed) and his heart rate went crazy high, to the point where he nearly passed out, and hikaru was told about it and stopped the game? that's why magnus' statement about hans not appearing stressed is very interesting. maybe he has just changed and matured so much recently, but he used to get VERY stressed while playing

    • @itachi60001
      @itachi60001 Před rokem +26

      You get used to it, when i first plaued against my IM coach i hyperventilated and had to go out to take a breather, after that it just became mpre and more normal, hans has played like 200 games in the past year i think, not surprising his nerves have got better.

    • @billsmock5410
      @billsmock5410 Před rokem +15

      That was his first opportunity to play him IIRC and it was also a tournament so he was freaking out. Cried when he lost, somehow convinced himself it was the only shot he'd ever have at playing a super GM.

    • @wszczebrzeszyn
      @wszczebrzeszyn Před rokem +12

      You can't be stressed if you know you'll win thanks to an engine.

    • @pahulgill6114
      @pahulgill6114 Před rokem +12

      comparing Hans when he was a kid playing against his idol to when he is an adult Super GM???

    • @nialljasper2481
      @nialljasper2481 Před rokem +1

      Wouldn't you be more stressed while cheating tho? Because you're afraid that if you get caught your career is dead

  • @Idn5244
    @Idn5244 Před rokem +24

    That endgame was a Masterpiece never seen in a K and N endgame

    • @AkramSaheb
      @AkramSaheb Před rokem +3

      2 inaccuracies and 1 mistake in this one

    • @mmm22chess
      @mmm22chess Před rokem +2

      No need to play top move when every move wins… it’s not inaccuracy or mistake if you still winning by -5… winning by -10 or -5 is a mistake that doesn’t matter

    • @ETBrooD
      @ETBrooD Před rokem +1

      @@mmm22chess Niemann's moves (later in the game) cost him the advantage several times and even gave white the advantage once or twice.

    • @mmm22chess
      @mmm22chess Před rokem

      @@ETBrooD he doesn’t cheat every move..

  • @sexyalen4696
    @sexyalen4696 Před rokem +2

    Hans' knight: I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me!

  • @tomfrinksj6595
    @tomfrinksj6595 Před rokem

    The eloquence of your English (along with your insightful analysis) is a big reason for my interest in your videos.

  • @noisyboi1104
    @noisyboi1104 Před rokem +6

    When he read the dictionary definition I was like oh shoot I'd love this guy as a professor 😂

  • @aminechnnoufi5606
    @aminechnnoufi5606 Před rokem +14

    I think you meant to say : Hans has Alphazero confirmed

  • @santhosh4261
    @santhosh4261 Před rokem +7

    Agadmator:- Hans Niemann is AlphaZero CONFIRMED!
    Magnus:- Hans Niemann is(using)AlphaZero CONFIRMED!!

    • @ekklesiast
      @ekklesiast Před rokem

      how do you use AlphaZero? is it open source?

  • @hilm6245
    @hilm6245 Před rokem +5

    Abhimanyu played an insane game
    The game looked like an engine line and im 100% sure that it is. Abhimanyu handled it like a fucking king