Best Games of Magnus Carlsen, with GM Ben Finegold
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- Check out Ben's Chessable courses here! www.chessable.com/author/BenF... GM Ben Finegold discusses the best games of World Champion Magnus Carlsen as chess fans around the globe anticipate the 2018 World Chess Championship in London on November 9-28, 2018. This lecture was recorded Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at CCSCATL as part of the instruction at an Election Day Camp.
Magnus Carlsen vs. Hikaru Nakamura, Bazna King’s Tournament (2011)
Magnus Carlsen vs. Boris Gelfand, World Championship Candidates (2013)
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I wonder when Magnus Carlsen will upload his video of analysing the great games of Ben Finegold
That would be lovely to see!
Magnus will get nervous breakdown and quit chess
"Ah this is just an awful blunder, here, see. I know I've said that a lot this game..."
He got a 404 error looking for Ben's great games. As soon as he resolves the tech issue, he'll make the video.
very suspicious...
I love how the students in this class know all the rules and inside jokes.
The real joke is the children repeating Ben's weird lines that they know by heart 😂
That kid who answered semi slav for smyslov 😂 I love that kid
10:40 Archer with the "nice" to Ding Liren's 96 games without losses streak.
Ben is a comedy genius and learning is easier if it's fun, nobody forgets a good teacher.
That's a killer combination!!
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1:27
Ben: As you all know * looks at us *
Me: * whisper * they don't know
Loving this. Thanks!
Ben is right. People get mad at Ben but he isn’t lying.
There are other plays more dominating in the sport than he is but they don’t get the same publicity.
I love watching Magnus play because he wins from many different positions.
20:57
- If you say Kasparov again it's right.
- Kasparov?
The kids are disarming :-)
I mean...how could you NOT say it a third time after that? I even said it myself lol.
@@DustinHorvath1987I love that Ben is just saying “correct” without even smirking
What a great motivation for his class and for us
Thank you 🙏
There's another one that hasn't got a bad score against Magnus Carlsen, and that is Magnus Carlsen
Sven, the greatest chess player of our time.
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Thank you .
I like your stuff Ben, keep doing Ben stuff and being Ben
big Ben
Comparing Carlsen to Murphy is like comparing Lebron to Paul Arizin. Also, comparing an era without Chess engines to one with them is like comparing two different sports.
I don't think Ben would disagree strongly with either of those statements. It goes along with his point tbh.
Paul Arazin (and Babe Ruth, Jim Thorpe, Billie Jean King, whoever else you want to mention) had access to the same level of training techniques, tactical and technical knowledge of their sports, sports medicine, equipment, etc etc etc as their contemporaries did - except in cases where they pioneered their own techniques and/or instinctively understood the game at a level no one else did, as is generally the case for all-time greats.
Same goes for chess players. Carlsen is only able to play at the level he is because remarkable players throughout history advanced theory and technique to the point where it is today. His contemporaries have the same foundation, and Carlsen just isn't the same degree of "better than everyone else" than the guys Ben mentions.
Wrong. Now you can't dominate like before. Engines changed that. Also more people are into chess.
True! Ben is just a fat chess nerd. Hating on Magnus is ridiculous.
It's hard to translate player skill between eras. Players didn't have databases of games and engines to evaluate their moves all the time when most of the all-time great world champions were at their peak. We don't actually know what it would be like if there were:
- Prep vs OTB analysis emphasize different abilities. Anybody stronger in prep would be at a massive disadvantage before computers were able to outplay everyone. Now there are top GMs who are known for it, and have enough OTB skill to convert advantage they get from it. This skill representation was minimal before engines and easy to view databases...there just wasn't enough freely accessible information that could be viewed so quickly.
- By sheer luck, one guy may dominate in eras with weak competition, or struggle as the best among a handful of players who each would have dominated in other eras. Because players get better then decline over time, it's hard to tell which of these is the case.
- Like most games, the community as a whole improves over time. Carlsen today vs Fisher of decades ago will probably beat Fisher...after all, Carlsen can easily look at all of Fisher's best historical games. In a sense, modern champions inherit a piece of the competition that made their predecessors great. This is somewhat true even if you compare 1920s chess to 1970s and 1980s chess, but computers have accelerated it to a ridiculous degree.
- It could work the other way too. If we were to wave a wand and bring back Capablanca or Fischer or even Kasparov before their primes, and give them access to modern tech + prep as they reach their prime, they would be completely monstrous compared to their historical selves. Maybe they'd also stand head and shoulders above all of today's GMs too, but I'm not so sure about that.
Thus when people say "Carlsen is better than Fischer", I suspect whether that's true depends on what they mean when they say it. If they mean "the level of chess Carlsen plays at now is better than Fischer's back then"...yeah that's probably true. If they're claiming "Carlsen would beat Fischer if they grew up in the same era"...I don't know about that one. Probably not if Carlsen grew up in Fischer's time, but possibly if Fischer grew up in ours (he never liked what computers did to chess, so it's hard to say how it would impact him if they were common before he even started learning it).
And that's why Magnus has started to play crazy and still winning every game, showing he would definitely destroy GMs from a different era where no engine existed. Fischer, Kasparov, Tal, and Magnus would always be at the top in a world without engines.
@@OArchivesX No way of knowing that. His training involved engines (plus a certain legendary world champion coaching him), and theirs was obviously different. Level the playing field and anything beyond "we don't know for sure" isn't a thing.
To copy another comment here, you're definitely undervaluing Magnus. He is widely considered either the best or second best ever for good reasons.. Now players can't dominate like before. Engines changed that. Also more people are into chess.
This argument is very poor and baseless.
There's no way to determine whether domination as in the past is impossible. Also, Carlsen's continued success contradicts the idea that engines equalize the game. If Carlsen can consistently outperform others, it's plausible that a more talented player could dominate even more.
As for Carlsen being "widely considered the best or second best," it's unclear who holds this opinion and why it matters. Popular opinion doesn't guarantee correctness. Furthermore, there's a bias toward the current top player, but this can change over time, as seen with Kasparov.
Increased participation in chess doesn't necessarily lead to extraordinary talents like Murphy, Fischer, or Capablanca emerging more frequently. Because extraordinary talent is also extraordinarily rare. Arguments based on factors like newness, improved engines, and evolving chess rules will always favor the latest champion, making discussions about the greatest ever irrelevant.
That kid responding to the wedding question made me wonder: did Smyslov like to play the Semi-Slav?
After playing chess for 6 months I quit and watch these videos for the jokes and general wisdom of Ben.
27:45 Motivation story to come back to later
Thought the same thing. But the problem is: by procrastinating and saving this for “later” we actually fail in changing our lives. We know it’s true but we’re not ready to change, so we just save quotes like these for “later”, when we feel like it. Later will never come and we will never dedicate to anything and will never succeed
Of course Ben starts with Nakamura getting crushed. Very suspicious.
Why cant you take the pawn on E4 at 18:07 ?
2:29 I voted for Buchanan.
I won
Kemp, an outfielder the Detroit Tigers in the 1960s
Cause of death, I lost to ben, was dark and hilarious
Me with some crazy comment!
Why arent there super gm tournaments in india? Seems like a good place for them
5 years late for getting the (re)upload on the web. Frankly terrible.
Why not Qxb6 after Qa5?
10:38 the kid saying “nice” to 96 games 😂😂😂
do any of these classes still happen currenlty?
Yes. The lecture on Alekhine's Defense from a couple days ago was recorded on July 24th.
@@12jswilson not classes like this tho. he just records lectures at home when sponsored
what is the % of winning Tourneys last 15 years for Magnus anyone know that
❤❤❤💖💖💖💖amazing 🏆🙂🙏🏼
Carlsen does win a lot of games from a slightly worse position, or positions that are thought to be draws, but there's a good reason for that.
He ends up in those situations fairly regularly, because he likes to play random, goofy shit in the opening. I think he does it because he's bored, honestly.
But when he gets into those positions, he can win them when most people think they're losing or drawn because he's very likely the best *endgame* player to ever live, with the possible exception of Capablanca.
I don't, personally, think Magnus is the best to ever live, overall. I know that he's the best in the world today, and I'm not trying to imply that he isn't exceptional, he absolutely is.
I'm just saying that I think there have been players who were as good as or better than him. The names Morphy and Kasparov come immediately to mind. And possibly Fischer, if he was having a good mental health day; you can never tell with the completely crazy ones who's gonna show up in their clothes.
"great players of the present" of the past
03:16 5 years later, and his rating is indeed 2835
Wasnt the pawn on b2 hanging in boris vs for long time, why boris didnt take?
I was hoping he would go over that too. I'm guessing there's some tactic with moving the knight and getting a discovered attack, but I couldn't actually find it.
Maybe Nd5 and Ne4 both work?
Looks like Nd5 is better b/c after Nh5 you can take the bishop on e7 with check then trade queens. I don't see the response to Nh5 if you go Ne4.
Skip to 12:05 for the actual chess to start.
Damn that Donald Trump joke at the beginning did NOT age well lol but amazing video. This takes me back to when I went to chess camp as a kid
please make a new best of mc games with newer games @GMBenjaminFinegold love this one
Kasparov and karpov and boby did not dominate,it was kid of the same as magnus,just that now days there are a lot of drows,players are way way way better in the opening than the old school
12:10 chessboard appears on the screen
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28:47 😂
go algo!
Magnus purposely plays into a drawish game by playing random moves. He then takes his opponent into unknown territory & relies mostly on instinct to grind his opponent down.
Comment for the algo
Us boomers like the Norwegian Wood joke.
The Ginger GM jokes go back a few years. Will we ever see the Best of Ginger GMs games on this channel?
Magnus is only good because of the game he played againsr kasparov when he was a 11 and because he is young
ben's assertion that it's ridiculous to say that magnus is the best player who's ever lived is frankly ridiculous. the field in which he competes is much stronger than those of every other past strongest player. it says literally nothing at all that he doesn't dominate tournaments the way that karpov or fischer did because the top 10 players today are stronger than the top 10 players of any other era
before anyone cries 'fanboy,' i don't care for magnus as a person or for his playstyle as a chess fan. it just strikes me as extremely stupid to argue that he should be considered anything short of the strongest player to ever live, which he very clearly is
What makes someone the best of all time? Is it more impressive to be the best in a very strong group or is it more impressive that you're so strong that you're kinda in your own group at the top? I would argue for the latter.
2words..
Paul Morphy!! But yea Magnus is top 3 for me!
@fuselwuselmusel2164
Obviously it relative. I do feel that Ben does a disservice to Magnus though, at the least he is in the discussion to be the greatest, its far from 'ridiculous' to thinks so. There is a clear trend that players have become less dominant the closer you get to the present day. It would be interesting to see it on a graph, might give an idea of what a comparable level of dominance over peers represents in different eras.
I support unkempt
I always love hearing Ben talk about Magnus because usually he has good takes… but regarding Magnus he’s just wrong about everything lol
dominating scores against virtually all top GMs, an overwhelming amount of world championships, still wins more tournaments than everyone, has a sizable gap over world #2, even after losing a good bit of points (at the time this video was made, yes it was very very close), recently went 11/11 in titled Tuesday only to follow it up days later with a flawless 9/9 against a super GM rated field lol all in the engine era. it’s incredibly difficult to separate yourself nowadays. but it’s very clear who has been the best chess player for years now and who still is
fast forward 12 minutes if you actually wanna watch something
We like Ben’s jokes. Now here’s why you’re not good at anything.
@@seantomas861 enjoy your 12 minutes of nonsense then
This guy is full of bs, Fischer, Kasparov and the other great players from the past were dominating cause their opponents were playing at 80% accuracy, nowadays supergrandmasters, which are the opponents of Magnus Carlsen are playing at 99%, you can't dominate an opponent who plays at 99% accuracy :D :D :D, don't listen to this guy