Why Companies Don't Want You Playing Old Video Games
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- 00:00 Intro
01:30 The Economics Of Gaming Today Work Against Preservation
06:21 Old Games Hold The Industry Accountable, More Than Weak Media
11:49 The Industry Wants Control At The Expense Of Consumer Freedom
16:03 Examples Of Good Preservation In The Marketplace Today + Closing
@ThatOneVideoGamer released a video recently breaking down a study showing that 87% of old games are not available to purchase outside of the second hand market. It was a great video, but it did not talk much about how we got to this point. However, this video does talk about why I think the industry doesn't want preservation, at least from my point of view.
Games shown in order: Ms. Pac Man, Galaxian, Super Mario Bros, Joust, Roadblasters, Wave Race 64, R Racing Evolution, MERCS, The New Tetris, Madden NFL 2005, NFL Blitz, Super Smash Bros Melee, Perfect Dark, Timesplitters 2, Ridge Racer 64, Enduro Racer, Donkey Kong Jr., Ecco The Dolphin, San Francisco Rush 2049, Sensible Soccer, Gauntlet II, Quake, Todd's Adventures In Slime World, Rampage World Tour
Original video from The Completionist: • Companies Don't Want Y...
Story About The Original Study: www.theverge.com/2023/7/14/23...
Extra Links:
Microsoft Backward Compatibility Program Ending: www.ign.com/articles/xbox-bac...
Jeff Gerstmann Talks About GameSpot Firing: • The Jeff Gerstmann Sho...
Nintendo Shutting Down A Melee Tournament During COVID: www.esportstalk.com/blog/how-...
Music:
Virtual Dream Plaza - 恋の予感
US Golf 95 - Skypark
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Any minute spent on old games = Minutes lost that could have been on current consoles with micro transactions and DLC.
Any dollar spent on old games = Dollars lost that could have been used on current games, micro transactions, and DLC.
Yep, the gaming industry can't have those things happening.
Yo you just did an opportunity cost analysis between spending time on old game vs new. Good job!
Wait, how does this make sense? Why would you WANT micro-transactions and DLC as a paid service?
Any minute spending time acquiring classic video games = worthwhile as we can SAVE and keep, but generally if you do it the ALT way... >:D
Any minute spent on current video games = life lost because they can take them away at a moment's notice and you are out the money you spent to acquire it because of their FORCED RENTAL CONSOLES. Thus, video game preservation.
@@DaWhiteTygerthe company wants you buying micro transactions and DLC cuz they get away with selling less product for more money.
That's not my point@@borginburkes1819 . My point was it sounded like that is a desired outcome, not any forceful pushback against this type of behavior.
Nintendo closing down the Wii Shop Channel, the eShop, and others is the reason why rom sites are a thing.
They've existed even before that, but the shutdown of those digital stores has definitely been a middle finger to preservation and certainly encourages more piracy.
@@psymagearcadeit encourage you to buy re-release on newer console. That is their tactics
The fact big companies like Nintendo and EA simply pretend their classic games don't exist is quite sad. I would totally buy their old games if they simply bothered to let them available to be purchased. But since they don't care might as well sail the seven seas.
@SammEater Grr, I hate how Nintendo treats fans or older Nintendo consoles like garbage!
Also, it's better for gamers (including me) to stop buying remakes/remasters of retro triple AAA games (including the Nintendo ones) and instead, start buying indie games and AA games.
@@SammEater With Nintendo it's even more bizarre, because unlike EA which acts like their old games don't exist, Nintendo pretends they're readily available.
I'm reminded of "You will own nothing and be happy."
That's what I think a lot of companies want for consumers.
@@psymagearcade Not just companies, entire governments too.
They’re all in on it
@@notimportant3033 If nobody is owned by governments or companies, this could be true. If companies and governments own nobody and nothing, this could be a reality.
@@imacg5 That's not what it means. They all want you to live as a serf, eternally indebted to them and unable to break free. You will own nothing but they will own you.
They can't let the younger zoomers and Gen Alpha knowing games once shipped complete with unlockables including cosmetics,secrets, cheat codes and etc.
Oh and when there were expansions (Half Life Opposing Force and Blue Shift for example) they were worth the price of admission and didn't come with cosmetics you had to purchase.
THIS. JUST. THIS. I myself am refusing to do any of this crap. My target is to make a good game, not a trash game, and AAA's methods ain't it, Chief!
If you play older games you realize just how bad and soulless the AAA game space is. Indie game developers are the only people who come up with unique fun games anymore. There are thousands of fantastic games to play on the ps2 alone. Emulation and steam are a true gift.
I came to make this comment
the problem with indie games is that every one of them feels they have to use the 8bit graphic style for nostalgia. I want a good AA game, not AAA, but AA, something that has solid graphics and is innovate or changes the game somehow. We lose that middle ground these days
So true!
@@kylemulkey9659Same. But I kinda like the nostalgia.
Imagine if any other industry were this blatantly anti-consumer. "NOOOO you can't watch Citizen Kane you have to watch the latest Adam Sandler movie!!!"
Haha yep. Or even better: "You can't listen to Nirvana. You can only listen to Machine Gun Kelly".
Only the entertainment industry can get away with this. Not just MAFIAA, others have done insane things as well. In the music industry there was the Loudness War that ultimately benefited nobody. Then Sony Music using malware as DRM in music CDs.
@@rps215Yep, even my poor innocent Amerie was affected by Sony in the mid 2000s by that.
Then again in this fast paced society where this generation has a short attention span and has difficulty understanding complex themes with little to no humor who would want to sit down and watch Citizen Kane start to finish? At least the Adam Sandler movies are easy to understand with characters that keep your attention and has humor audiences can enjoy. A better comparison was Nirvana and MGK
They don't want you playing old games because they're better, lmao. It's not a nostalgia thing either cause I've gone and played heaps of classics I've never played before, on systems I've never played before, and they've become my favourite games ever.
It’s amazing how even the younger generations have picked up on this and are into retro games. I kept telling them that Minecraft sucks. Now they can believe me.
@@AngryCalvin Yeah, Minecraft does suck. It didn't have to, either.
@@AngryCalvinMinecraft as a concept isn’t bad at all, it’s just the updates that completely ruined it
And its so annoying that AAA apologists will try to convince you that old games are actually bad and you're just nostalgic.
They use the most bizarre mental gymnastics
Same.
The irony here is that it is the software pirates who are now the good guys.
They have enabled the preservation of a huge amount of games.
Long may they continue to do so!
always have been the good guys
They have always been the good guys.
@@SawGudman Piracy is not theft. Piracy is monopoly infringement. That is a big difference.
Property laws are there so people can keep their stuff. Monopolies are put in place to prevent people from having stuff, so that those people -who would otherwise produce their own stuff- need to buy it instead.
When you copy something, you do not take anything. No one loses property. So you are not stealing. What you are doing is using your own resources to produce something - a copy in this case. And if that something is restricted by monopolies (like copyright) than you would be violating a monopoly.
@@SawGudman Pirates do not take anything. Their crime is that of production, they produce copies.
@@dr.c2195 I wish I could take credit for this, but a user on one of the plethora of CZcams vids I've seen on this topic said "if buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing", and I think they're absolutely right. The comment was made in response to the ability for companies to take away access to content people have paid for via DRM, but I think it applies here too, especially since subscriptions are DRM in different clothing.
F*ck gaming as a service. Leave the power to the consumers! Physical releases and preservation are more important than greed.
I like physical media, but I think that DRM-free digital games are fine. DRM is the real enemy, not necessarily the digital files themselves.
Tax it! 50% of revenue and 50% of the absolute value of the profits, so that they pay whether they make or lose money. Render all this Service As A Substitute completely unviable as a business model.
Because you can't milk old games. They were made before the internet allowed for constant smooth patches, so most of the time games had to be released complete and full of content. Sure, you'd get one or two expansions and few balance patches, but they were made with the idea of selling once. Now the leading mentality is to release just the skeleton of the game and sell all the good stuff later at extra price, sometimes higher than a whole game ten years ago.
To be fair That was a very. Big selling point for Xbox for years since PlayStation only had PlayStation now and you had to stream the ps3 games
What game companies need to learn is that the only way to destroy piracy is to give consumers what they want. It doesn't matter how many rom sites they shut down. People will always find a way.
Actually the reason they don't want to preserve older games is GREED!!!!!!💵💵💵💵💵💵💵🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
Isn't that the reason for anything that involves companies?
@@supersonicmario56 Exactly, which is why I'm amazed at these videos getting so much attention when their so obvious!
That's the point of the whole video. Facts. It's about money. Plain and simple.
A...greed! lolz
Big N needs to realize proprietary consoles are all but dead now. PC is the way to go.
Kudos to all pirates for preserving games for generations to enjoy. You are all champs.
Ik I had to hand it to them for preserving spec ops the line on pc
@@elwen8525Agreed 💯 percent. I am currently enjoying a pirated version of Specs Ops in all its glory and at chapter 11.
Gem of a game preserved by those gamer friendly pirates. If buying digital games isn't owning, pirating games isn't stealing... it's sharing.
That's just like the cell phone industry you wonder why your cell phone always gets slower time it's a thing called planned obsolescence and every time you get one of those stupid updates it actually slows down your phone's performance
We will one day have to tell our kids, "Yeah, video games used to come in these cases; you bought them in the store."
I play alot of older games only because they are more fun and enticing than newer games. Even my son enjoys playing the older games that I've been playing than the newer games. Not to say that there aren't some good current games, they are just far and few. You have alot of rushed unfinished games, micro transactions, buggy and so on. No love and passion is involved anymore and it certainly shows. It's priority is now money first. It's kinda sad really. When you make with love, it shows. When you make without it, it shows. Awesome video sir. ❤
Agree 100%. Thank you for watching! Also, it's awesome that you got your son into classic video games.
Even back then it was about money. Games weren’t cheap like they are now. A 60$ game was a lot more expensive when people earned 3$ an hour instead of the current 15-20an hour on the low end of employment.
Yeah, the gotcha and freemium system has impacted the quality of newer releases.
@@Bonanzaking You're right. I mean look at the Atari 2600 at it's later years. ET, Pac-man, Amidar, Pooyan. The mentality was for them to release it and we'd buy it just because of the name even if it's bad. The passion and love started with the NES, Genesis and SNES. Most companies put in alot of passion into these games for these consoles but there are some who didn't and we know where they ended up. I see the same thing happening for current generations if these companies keep doing what they are doing. I was so disappointed when Cyberpunk 2077 came out and I had very high hopes for it. So many broken games released for that quick buck.
@@AmberShort i still remember playing the original Pokémon games as a kid on my gameboy that felt like games built on passion compared to the more modern releases. The games were expensive back then. Now a game is less than half a days wage. It wasn’t so not too long ago.
I just wanted to add that everything you say is also true for movies and music.
And that's why they invented the concept of "trendy" and "outdated".
When I talk about old music, youngsters tell me I'm "lame and outdated".
They've been brainwashed by the capitalist industry to consume only new things. (I'm not anti-capitalist though)
The day we get rid of that mindset, we'll respect again old stuff, and life will be much more enjoyable.
That's an excellent point. In a lot of ways. this really is just another example of consumerism in society as a whole. I actually wouldn't mind doing a video comparing video games to music in the future.
@@psymagearcade That would be a really good video topic. Ppl see things w/ a very narrow view but the sad truth is these changes fueld by greed are true of most industries today!
This is the best expose I've ever listed to regarding the preservation situation in gaming. I also appreciated your critique of games journalism. It's worth it for us to own our games physically or DRM free.
Thank you! That means a lot to see that the message has resonated with people, because I've been thinking about this issue for a while.
The world is so dystopian that even the gaming industry is selling out
They sold out a long time ago
The games industry is the largest cog in the entertainment psyop regime. It makes more money than tv or movies right now.
The World has always been messed up.
@@user-in8qh3zf9d with little reason to be that way. Men doing what is right in their own eyes, only doing evil continually.
it's like the movie industry is saying -> We don't want you to watch old better movies because then you would automatically know that new movies sucks ass .............mostly! ;)
I agree that these companies need to preserve these classic games because if it wasn't for those games, they wouldn't be where they are today. I'm in favor of classic compilations that are well made, and buying digital downloads. But, I'm against subscribing to A service in order to play classic games.
They don't need to really. The classic old games are not worth much to hang on to. How much are you willing to pay for Mario World Duckhunt in today's world? The maximum I would be willing to pay for that is $5. And the audience who is willing to pay for that game is miniscule. Nintendo rather charge more than $30 per game to get profit. They also have to see all the missing opportunities of cash coming in due to 2nd hand market. So a $30 game would cost less overall but when time flies by, that game could be worth more in a 2nd hand market that Nintendo never get hold of. Example Fire Emblem Radiance.
To me, they don't hate preservation because they don't see $$$ profit as much. It's pure greed.
When you play old games you realize how much better they are and you will demand more from modern game studios. This is why they don't want you playing old games.
There really should be some kind of international video game repository where anything you want to play is right at your fingertips on a unified software platform online. Each game should also be accompanied with research content as much as possible including interviews and articles about the games' development process to credit the teams that created the said games.
A problem with that is that if a single company owned that whole repository and all the rights to all games within it, they can charge outrageous prices and have really sketchy policies.
But hey, that's just my two cents.
@@newgameld2512 I was meaning a repository or a museum that's publicly funded through donations. Yeah if it's owned by one or two companies then we wind up right back in the situation we're in now.
@@newgameld2512Exactly. Anti-monopoly laws. It's bad enough that Disney now owns half of the media.
I'm also afraid that someday games on streaming platforms like Microsoft xCloud become a popular thing and companies start to launch their titles exclusively on them.
If that happens, games would be server-sided and could never be downloaded, thus would be terrible for both preservation and game ownership, since you would be tied to a subscription to keep accessing them and they could be removed at any moment.
Yep, that would be a great example of "You own nothing" if that comes true.
@@psymagearcade Was the Google Stadia the same sort of thing? Now you can't get any games exclusive to that!
@@BagOfMagicFood That's exactly it. You had to pay for the service and then pay after for each game you wanted to stream, and you still owned nothing! That's not even getting into the fact that latency was an issue and a lot of people don't have good enough internet even now for that kind of service. Streaming games is a lot more demanding than streaming music and movies.
And if they can take the games away forever, they can keep using Fear Of Missing Out as a selling point...
That is exactly the direction they are going in. Make no mistake, any given industry is going to have long term road maps for the direction they want to go in, and it is easier and easier to manipulate consumers in this day of everything collecting telemetry on everybody. They do these thing at a slow and steady pace so that most people don't notice, and those that do get shut down as anti-progress or conspiracy theorists. Microsoft got themselves in hot water with the release of the Xbox-One by trying to limit the sale of used games if memory serves. That goal has been there for a long time most likely, but they tried to push too hard and too fast. Then the Ps5 has a digital-only model, and even with many "physical" copies of modern games you still have to go online to get day one patches or verify the game, assuming the disc isn't just there to hold a digital key for online purchase. Many modern computer towers don't even have slots for DVD/Bluray drives in the front anymore because who wants to buy a physical copy of something when you can just buy a DRM riddled copy that won't work offline or stream it.
Lets just cut to the chase. Majority of these new games just suck.. Its like something is missing. Sure it has pretty graphics and new engines with the bells and whistles but the story mostly sucks, variety sucks, no replay value, being repetitive, etc. Dont get me started with paying for extra content. It just seems no reason to really even play these new games. Its like the gaming industry is just not listening to its customers and just giving us crap and acting all surprise when the games fail. I mean i get making games a new generation but the idea of a video games was to make them fun. Fun factor.. Its crazy to me how the older games have crummy graphics but fun as hell to play.
Or some older games are still being updated by the fans. Take X-Wing Alliance for example on the PC. It was released back in 1999. And even now it receives updates from the game community. From a complete graphics overhaul, sound overhaul to a complete incorporation of the classic TIE Fighter game.
I don't see things like this happening with the current games. Call of Duty 47, Battle Field 198 etc.
LOL 2023 is LITERALLY one of the greatest years in gaming ever chief
As an elder millenial, I had been not gaming much for some years, but as of the past five years or so, I've been playing a lot of indie games: Celeste, Hollow Knight, Ori, Afterimage, Thumper, A Hat in Time, Cuphead, Ender Lillies, Hue, Bloodstained.
It seems that hard 2D platformers run in my veins.
Companies want endless profits, that is the reason why game preservation is never on their agendas.
Several reasons why Big Corporations don't want people to get older Games. They don't want people to enjoy older games and realize that Games once were delivered WITHOUT myriads if DLCs that sell you 90% of the games content and they also didn't require you to have an always-on DRM launcher with additional account. Simply said we are supposed to be just consumers and always being excited for the next new product. And in many cases they also fear the pile of license troubles and royalties for the original developers. When Sony ditched backwards compatibility for their PS1, PS2 and PS3 games, you could tell they don't give a damn anymore what so ever.
Well said. Thank you for watching!
Is that why PS2 is the only backwards compadable playstation system?
You absolutely nailed it, i have always preferred the physical copy of a game and I still have my old school hardware. and I have 2 very good used video game stores in my area a few blocks apart that can fix anything that goes wrong and always have a great selection of games. Old school games will never die. Good stuff.
Sadly, I only have one retro gaming store nearby and they're alright, but their selection has gotten worse over time and they don't do repairs.
You are quite lucky to have them nearby. Sadly, retro video game stores are starting to die quite rapidly :( Particularly in the less densely populated areas.
Old school games will def die. The avg person doesn't even know where their old games went. Ask your non-passionate gamer friends where their old games are and you'll see. Its up to us to preserve them! (I just started collecting physical copies again and have a ton of digital ones).
They Don't Want Newer Generations to experience Older Games 😢
Yeah, like they probably thought that the newer generations should have been born earlier to play those games b4 being gone or something like that.
@@ArjunTheRageGuy Yep.
I think there was something along these lines in 1984: "He who controls the present, controls the past, and he who controls the past, controls the future."
If they could, they'd be erasing all history, so nobody could know things had ever been otherwise.
This is a great discussion. Before I feel like we paid less and got more in terms of content, replay value, and gameplay design/gameplay loop. Now we pay more and get gorgeous looking games but we don't own it and probably won't play it through again multiple times, they're more like movies that you'll watch once every other year if even that. They want us all to be at their mercy in terms of "ownership" where they own everything and you keep renting from them.
They hate preservation,so their are plenty of people wanting to keep it alive and do right for retro players including newcomers as well.
Old games don't have IAP and DLC, something that modern games relay to.
Or installation times, long updates, always online checks, ads, etc...
@@h0laPlaneta No installation times? Funny, I have dim memories of feeding in a handful of floppy disks to install DOS games back in the early 1990s. Or a CD from the mid-1990s to mid-2000s (and the game often didn't come close to filling it). Games you can play without installing them were a rarity. The Lost Mind of Dr Brain is close. It runs off the CD and relies on the Windows 3.1 equivalent of a Start Menu shortcut to point it to where you want your saved games, so it takes next to no disk space, but there's still technically an installation step to set up that shortcut.
Because freedom is their biggest rival. When consumers have freedom, they cannot control the consumers.
I feel like I have lost interest in getting any new video game console, mainly because games these days are in many cases broken on launch. Or the fact that buying physical copy of the game is completely pointless. I still collect older titles when I get a chance, the best part is I don't have to wait ages to play them simply because they don't require to install to play unless it's a PC game. I even pick up old sports titles which is something I never thought would be doing but have found that some Madden titles are really fun from the 2000s and they have more features the modern versions lack.
If your playing old games your most likely not playing new games. I play both but love old games more
You can play both even with limited time but personally, much more times goes to the older games 😛
I don't want companies to make me pay to play the heritage of video games.
As with many things, Mr. Krabs has the answer:
*"Money"*
The industry conditioning of gamers is that new is better.
That is simple they now realize they can make a ton of money off remasters and remakes to re-sell the games to you. That is the #1 reason.
Also one of the reasons why I support 'game preservation' AND fight against 'games as a service/gamepass/cloud subscriptions etc..' and DRM.
Because one ultimately will not own their games.
Yeah but ports and remasters are not preservation, in reality it's the opposite as they try to be replacements
If they actually let those games available, but they won't even do that. There are some games that companies that Nintendo simply won't re-release no matter how many players want access to those.
Remakes are often warranted, but the original games should never be delisted. Dead Space and Resident Evil did it right. Remasters, I think are a lot less warranted, though I think it's fine if the original game was never on PC to begin with. I'd be perfectly fine with a _proper_ Red Dead Redemption 1 remaster, for instance.
@@KazeiraPorts are trying to be replacements? Lmao, what? A port is the exact same game reworked to run natively on newer hardware. It's like saying the fan port of SM64 on the Wii is somehow different.
Good video. One point about Xbox back-compat. They have more recently said that they want as many Activision Blizzard games on Game Pass as possible. I expect the back-compat team has been hard at work on getting Activision games running. Microsoft said they’d reached the limit of what their current technology and licensing allowed. When it comes to popping in the disc and running the game, the main limitation is what the publisher allows. Once the ABK purchase is complete, Microsoft can add a tonne of Activision games to the back-compat list. And those that don’t have other licensing issues (music, etc.) can also be added for digital sale.
I collected a few thousand roms on my own. But then I broke down and bought a consoleX2pro just to collect 126,000 roms in a niced menu's package. Just copied the card on my pc and I have it all, just deplaced the emulators with my custom once and kept the sweet menu. You can have everything from 2005 and earlier compacted and easy to play. I bought my thing like 2 years ago. Probably a better version now. Just research. Fuck the corporations. This shit belongs to everyone and it is not preventing them from selling new games. No one loses...unless these classic works of art disappear. Then everyone loses.
those consoles dont have enough space for all the isos....i have over 200 000 games on my hdds....all the gc, ps2, wii, ps1, saturn, ps3 for example....games takes to much space for the consoles and windows 10 is more compatible with roms
I've bought one of those TV sticks. It came with a 128 gb SD card filled with 40k+ games from basically all consoles up to the PSP and PlayStation 1. From the era of my childhood till my early 30's. It came with 2 wireless controllers as well, which work very well.
I've copied the SD card over to my laptop and can play all the old classics when I want. The total cost of the whole things pretty much equals the price for a single PC or console game today. Not counting possible DLC's and other cash grabs.
You completely and utterly forgot about arcade games, especially the japanese ones of today.
That's a fair critique, but arcade game preservation deserves its own video anyway. I was really thinking more about console and PC with this video.
I am playing Legend of Zelda TP and Enternal Darkness Sanity’s Requiem…. Freaking awesome games and ED is 20+ years old and is still holds up very well, a masterpiece in many ways
I've never understood the hate that TP gets.
The newest problem for PC gaming is the ongoing problem of preserving and playing Windows 3.1 games on modern systems, as Steam and GOG still currently doesn't have any Windows 3.1-era games on their storefronts emulated via OTVDM, due to the fact that Microsoft discontinued the NTVDM and the 16-bit Windows on Windows subsystems in Windows 11.
Wish to see Ziggurat Interactive, Piko Interactive, Pixel Games UK or Night Dive Studios re-release old Windows 3.1-era PC Games on Steam and GOG using OTVDM in the future.
Oh yeah, I didn't even think about 3.1. Granted, it didn't last that long because Windows 95 took off, but there are games from that era that need to be preserved.
@@psymagearcade you mean DOS games? i have all dos games on my hdds
@@GenyaArikado No. Windows 3.1. There are some games made just for 3.1 that aren't DOS based, albeit there aren't many of them though. That was right before Windows 95 took off.
@@psymagearcade okey..i will look up those games
@@GenyaArikado MS-DOS games have been rereleased on Steam and GOG via DOSBox, but nothing regarding Windows 3.1 games have been rereleased via OTVDM.
They don't want older games because for their viewpoint in that they don't get any profit from it, so for why they don't want older games nor classic preservation in modern gaming, is because they not profitable anymore, so they see it as just simply toys, revelant to a certaint time, and later on to the trash or for no use.
Crazy because those videogames are made by a lot of people and the amount of hours of programing, concept art and graphic design put in to it is crazy, specially the japanese because for their rigid and almost slave like work culture.
They’re right. I’m not a potential customer. I have everdrives and everdrive similar devices on all my classic systems and when Nintendo comes out with overpriced streaming services to play crappy emulations of old N64 games, nes games and snes games, I’m not interested. I prefer my old systems and I’m happier there. There’s entire businesses focused on making buying old hardware a lot more fun and interesting.
As someone that has seen ,lived and gamed on every console ever made , just wait its gonna get worse in alot of ways the only thing that will get better is accessibility in ten to 5 years you won't need a console at all ...in fact everything including movies and every type of media will become rental, no such thing as ownership......the only owners will be the corpos
That's why I only purchase older consoles.
Video game tech has hit the Point of Diminishing Returns. That's why AAA games are disappointing, while low budget retro games have been killing it.
Oh, we hit that point a long time ago. Somewhere around the mid-2000s. I remember running across an image comparing the G-Man from the Half Life franchise between Half Life 1, 2, and Alyx. There's a huge difference between Half Life 1 (1998) and Half Life 2 (2004), but a much smaller one between Half Life 2 and Half Life Alyx (2020). Seems to me that around the point where we got programmable shaders was the point of diminishing returns for graphics.
I buy tons of old (physical) games for dirt cheap prices. And I buy 100% of my games and consoles 2nd hand. No subscriptions. I don't give Microsoft, Nintendo or Sony any money directly. So....they must REALLY hate me!!
I do the exact same. I'm currently building up my PS3 library.
*3* *IDEAS*
1. Library Collections - Send in requests to public libraries to create a classic games collection that people could check out and experience like they would DVDs. Perhaps there would be a special purpose room setup with the systems ready to go. Maybe start a petition and send it to congressmen. The petition would be to add classic games to the library of congress. It could be good for their next election.
2. Game Clubs - Establish classic game clubs on college campuses. Start chapters with universities that have a strong technical curriculum.
3. Commercial Opportunities - Recently there has been an uptick in classic arcades. Perhaps request these venues to include consoles as well. If not, then maybe create your own business where people can purchase day/week/month/year passes where they can play all of the classic games they want.
Some arcades are actually including areas inside with classic consoles and CRTs. There's one a few hours away from me that does this.
i'm playing my old games and ain't nobody gonna stop me. i still have my wii, ps2, n64, wii u, 3ds, ps3, and ps4.
Hate Microsoft?
@@DominikSobolewski yes.
Same here, plus my XBOX 360.
@@Anonymous-wb3nz I have 2 modded wii systems, modded wii u, modded 3ds and a modded ps3 slim. 😁
@@TheMegatron673 nice!
Let the Retro Community be a Thorn in their side holding them accountable, tearing business from them. Its time to stop treating these companies as potential sponsors and allies and as our abject enemies. Piracy is morraly justified. And holding on to physical media is a threat to their shareholders. The old games will run again.
Piracy and second hand market is actually thriving in our country. In fact, it is my main mode of gaming.
is monopolizing gonna be a way of life in the near future? We have to unite and fight for our right as a consumer no matter what business it is. Thank you for this video.
“You will own nothing and you will be happy” -WEF
I always find it strange how older games get rinsed on the big gaming websites the way they do.
“This game doesn’t play like as well as a modern one.”
Well no shit. There’s more to going back to older stuff than just how it plays. Atmosphere, vibe, the pure historical aspect of seeing what was done with the tech available at the time.
How can games ever be seriously considered as art when the manufacturers, gaming press, and even a lot of gamers keep treating it like a fucking product and nothing else?
Yeah, that's definitely a problem. It's like a nefarious form of revisionist history at times.
That's the thing if games were universally considered as an art form then there'd be funding like there is for most of the arts, and in this case games and consoles, like we see for film and music that could help with preservation and protection of creative works. Huge point not really discussed by anyone else.
6:21 THANK YOU, Just thank you! Definitely glad to sub!
Thank you for subscribing! I'll be doing more deep dives like this in the future.
ok, Loyal now just for the bother to reply. @@psymagearcade :D
Sony had the perfect formula during the PS3 era with backward compatibility and even selling older games on the online store. Then they just intentionally gave up on it on the PS4 and even shut down the whole thing. I don't want to rely on piracy to play older games but they make it hard not to, especially with how the price of ps1/ps2 games are going up to ridiculous amounts.
Yeah, the PS3 had amazing backwards compatibility when it came out.
It also came out at a large cost too - The PS3 was incredibly expensive at first because they had to support all the extra hardware to support direct compatibility. They cut that out and moved to emulation later on to cut costs for the hardware. Unfortuantly the cell archecture for the PS3 is really difficult to get working on the PS4 which is why they never got it running there - the lack of perceived demand wouldn't justify the costs in Sony's mind. Sony has really changed their perspective on older content as well, moving to a perspective of "who wants to play older games".
@@purelogarithm And that's the part the sucks the most. The emulator was working pretty well. I only had 2 PS2 games out of over 40 that didn't work. I have a hard time to believe they couldn't pull it off on PS4 for at least ps1 and 2 games. Like you said, the current CEO simply hates older video games and doesn't even hide it.
God forbid the younger generation experience what gaming was like in the golden age.
Finished games that were polished and perfected. Zero microtransactions. Different and unique games, not just another shooter.
I bought a PS5 and I'm still playing GTA5. Where are the PS5 games that are not PS4 ports.
I go to the playstore and see games that should be on SNES. That are rip offs of Castlevania or Metroid.
Thank God for my emulator.
They know they can't do better, so they're avoiding having to compete with their past selves as much as possible.
Before watching: My guess is that the more time people are playing older games, the less they're spending on microtransactions in modern games. Use FOMO to keep players coming back every day or week, flash premium cosmetics in their face at every turn, and remind them that they can buy convenience items, seasons, premium currencies, and/or individual cosmetics to avoid falling behind or looking unimpressive. More engagement! ...with players' wallets.
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You forget how often GOG just gives stuff for free. Not as often as EPIC, but that free stuff is also DRM free. And I have now a pretty big library full of just free retro games there.
I've definitely claimed some free games from GOG over the years. Good point!
@@psymagearcade Yeah, GOG isn't perfect, they definetly have their own issues, (As evidenced by the launch of Cyberpunk) but they're absolutely killing it when it comes to preserving some retro games.
This, alongside with licensing problems are what holding old game rerelease. This problem occurs towards bit newer titles. Examples are:
Old NFS? Need to relicense the musics and cars.
Old Forzas? Idem.
Old sport games? Yet another licensing issue if it was used.
Old GTA? Songs deleted because licensing issues.
Sega's outrun? Ferrari holding it back.
There's also a prototype of GoldenEye 007 for xbla... Only to be cancelled because James Bond licensing. But it got discovered somehow.
I feel like these licensing deals need to be more modernized going forward to cover re-releases in order to avoid these situations. I don't know how companies in other industries would feel about that though.
The main reason why companies don't want you to play old games is because 6th - 7th gen is the golden era of gaming and they know it, which is why most old games are stream only when it's available by a company.
It's simple, video games should be subject to use it or loose it laws present in other mediums. If the owners of the content don't exercise rights by attempting to monetize then the IPs should enter public domain. I have no issue with paying a publisher for a work at a reasonable rate once every 20 years (ie remastered releases that add compatibility for new OS' or platforms), but if they just shelf it and don't offer it to the public then those titles should be free for others to resell.
I would be fine with this. Great idea.
an update of today, the xbox 360 will have its store closed, its time to return to the plataform to preserve the digital only games
Thank you for that update. That's the first I'm hearing of it so I appreciate it.
With modern high budget games it's easy to get bored. As with hollywood, less originality allows companies to play it safe for success, but familiar controls and physics make it feel like you are playing the same game over and over, and it's not just with fps games. It'll get that way with with every open world game that allows you to walk around a city and drive a car too
Keep all your consoles, people. It's tempting to sell them when you get the next generation but trust me, keep them. I kept all mine in the attic
From Atari Pong to the PS5 I own nearly every console ever released so I see myself as a video game historian and I am proud to know the whole history but it also makes me really sad that most people will never experience most historical points in gaming. The gaming industry is focused too much on technical evolution. No game is ever outdated. I know that games like Fifa are replaced each year but even those games are still respectable games. We have to stop thinking that games or graphics can be outdated and are replaced by their successors. I am not even joking by saying that even Pong is still a very good and playable game.
Oh by the way I play most of the time retro games and I am rarely buying new games so I guess the gaming industry hates people like me.
Subscription services are the saddest business model to me.
Actually I play all my games on original hardware but I have to preserve my games and make my collection future proof so I am using ODEs, Everdrives and othe solutions where I can save and play my games on
As a younger gamer, even games from 15 to 20 years ago can be incredibly hard to experience. Pokémon games as recent as only _11_ years ago are starting to absolutely jump up in price. DS and GBA games in general can be very pricey, and 3DS and Wii U games are getting there, too.
I don't think the 3DS Pokémon games will get much more expensive, because everything after XY is kind of just terrible, but other 3DS games will. Dragon Quest 8 is already expensive, DQ7 is pretty expensive, and so is Kid Icarus: Uprising. I'm sure Samus Returns, the Zelda games, Fire Emblem, Kirby(Epic Yarn, yikes), Mario&Luigi: Dream Team, the Atlus games, Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon, and more will also grow in price significantly over the next decade.
I’m overwhelmed with too many video games. How am I going to finish any of my old games if I were to keep moving on to new games?
That’s one reason why I haven’t bought the Xbox Series X. I did buy the PlayStation 5 though…but that was because my kids wanted to play Ratchet & Clank: A Rift Apart.
I’ve instead been playing the Phantasy Star Online on the original Xbox using the fan-made Insignia servers (which ‘reactivate Xbox Live functionality on software-modded Xbox’s). I’ve also been playing NBA Jam (2004) for my original Xbox.
I don’t have time to play (and spend money) on new games.
You're not missing anything with the new games today.
They just want you to forget that once upon a time, the standards for a game release were higher. Back in the day, a game came completed day one. What you had on the disc was the entire damn thing: no extra content needed, no extra patches needed, no extra monetization, no online requirement either. If there was extra content, you had to actually unlock by playing. Either that, or you had big ass expansion packs that doubled the content.
I am a younger millenial, my childhood years were the 2000's, I definitely remember the standards of that time.
Yep, and if a game happened to be a mess at launch back then, especially on consoles, it was forever a mess and was criticized accordingly.
@@psymagearcade and there was nothing that could be done about it either. Nowadays you have patches, but the problem is that the companies are getting lazier too, they know that they can fix it later. On that I have no one to blame but the braindead consoomers that still buy them anyway. Imagine buying a car that has one wheel missing but being promised that they will mail it to you later. Why can't people apply the same standards to games as they would to any other product?
Nailing it on all accounts. Thanks for the honest take on so many historical references. Subscribed! It will be interesting to watch what Nintendo does with Switch 2, I'm expecting some kind of "limited" BC.
I love old fashioned survival horror games. When the video game of today is not giving me what I want.
I have to go and play older titles like Resident Evil remake.
I'm almost exclusive retro gamer. Not only are the new games full of mtx, they're just not as good as the older games.
Newer games especially the big ones feel like you’re watching a movie and just randomly hitting buttons sometimes.
When it comes to "old-school" arcade games, the PS1 & PS2 probably have the best selection of "classic gaming collections" out of any of the older consoles. Many of the these collections were released on multiple consoles, but some were exclusive to SONY. It would certainly be nice if all these older collections got remastered & re-released on today's consoles. Something like "Atari 50 Anniversary Collection" is a good step in that direction. Hopefully SEGA, Namco, Taito, Midway, & others will follow suit.
Atari 50 was interesting in terms of the presentation and the bonus content. The game selection could have been better, but you can tell a lot of thought was put into it otherwise.
@@psymagearcadeYeah the Jaguar selection was not great. Granted the Jaguar didn’t have the best line up period but Trevor Mcfur was TERRIBLE. No AVP, Wolfenstein 3d, Doom..
@@Nick_Nightingale Most of the lack of games boils down to rights - Digital Eclipse were only able to get access to games that Atari owned rights to - lots of games were made by other companies.
@@purelogarithm Yeah I know. Still sucks. That's why some people sail the high seas.
They're not gonna stop me from playing my old games.That's why I still got my ps2 and original xbox
Same here!
Very good video and a reasoned argument. As someone who writes about retro games (and homebrew/indie titles for old consoles and computers) we need the history AND the games preserved. I love talking to old developers about how they made the games, and to the new developers working with that older hardware. Evercade is a great example of something that is doing great work - physical cartridges with an accompanying manual full of tips and history. Evercade is also mixing things up by supporting indie games. Perhaps that is a way forward for the "big" companies to make their old games available again. A Nintendo-style handheld/console that played carefully curated cartridges, perhaps.
i love the Evercade consoles 🙂
I'm 34 years old that I've been playing games as long as I can remember. Growing up with Nintendo Super Nintendo PlayStation 1 Nintendo GameCube Xbox and Xbox 360 Nintendo Wii and all sudden next-gen came after the Xbox 360. Nothing grabbed me. The only things that grabbed me were Destiny Destiny 2 and Warframe. Every other game that I bought I spent less than a couple hours playing. Now literally all I play is just Warframe. Warframe and all my old school games. When they start making games like they used to you no fun and not trying to grab every f****** penny out of you. Then I'll get back into a gaming again. Until then I'm happy what I have
That is exactly what happens to me.
I have a collection of Gameboy games. When I grow bored, I go to my Wii, then to my DS games. Afterwards I fire up my 2007 computer. Then my retro P1.
My "new"PC (2012) gathers dust in a corner. I see no reason to upgrade.
Oh, I will buy a PS4 later this year, lots of awesome games to play.
Be like me.
I think it's paramount that gamers migrate to PC over console. If the industry were to colapse and companyies like Microsoft and Sony pulled out completely. Your new consoles become bricks at best. Even with indies picking up the pieces, without those companies to approve new games on the console you simply don't get any new games. Whereas the PC is an inherently open platform. Even despite the reliance on Steam. You have access to emulation so you can always play older games even if the consoles are no longer available due to time and misuse. You will always have access to indie games. Even if Steam goes away. Because there is no central authority who delcares what is or is not allowed on a PC. Even if Microsoft get more authoritarian with Windows people have the option to switch to a Linux distro. There is always another way to play games with PC. Whereas with consoles you are just stuck with what you're given and have to trust the big corporations have your best interests in mind.
The video game industry wanted to turn video games into fast food and never care about physical gaming and wanted to sell the next game in there menu. To this day the video game industry never call video games as "ART" as they rather wanted you to see them as disposable gaming.
I'm so glad I don't use digital garbage, nor do I stream.
The reason why i like playing classic games because most games are not on niether systems online services, plus they dont have the obscure games on any online services
It's telling that the few companies who are interested in real game preservation, by way of those massive Collections re-releases (such as the recent Mega Man Battle Network Legacy Collection) are all from companies that don't make consoles
The completionist was found to be allegedly committing charity fraud. He had all that money to buy those games but not enough to donate to his own charity.
Yeah, that was pretty crazy. Seemed like such a nice guy before all that came out.
@@psymagearcade His brother Jacque seems to be a lot dirtier than him.
The most important change that needs to happen to help protect preservation is changing copyright law itself. Under no circumstance should copyright extend beyond 50 years, as anywhere beyond that, IP’s simply face the real risk of going extinct due to the extensive damage that years without any support will do. The current state of copyright means that by the time any of us will be able to freely take all necessary actions to preserve a game, most of us who remember it to begin with will have already passed away. Copyright for many of these products is functionally forever. As long as that is the case preserving media will always be a massive uphill battle.
I agree that the copyright system in the U.S. has some problems that need to be fixed. It shouldn't have taken as long as it did for Steamboat Willie to enter the public domain.
Games today are more theatrical emersive and impressive graphics. Games are no longer about fun
*Lazy Town's You Are A Pirate increases in volume*
AAA companies - "WHY AM I HEARING BOSS MUSIC? I THOUGHT YOU TOOK CARE OF THEM!"
I got 3 CRT TV’s with backups of every major release up to Gen 7
Good music choice, but it'd be better if the music were made quieter in post-production.
Gamestop: Actually it's because we want you to preorder...
I walked into a GameStop two or three weeks ago for the first time in three years and it was a ghost town. It felt sad looking around for more than a minute or two. Wasn't much there either.
@@psymagearcade they'll fade away like the Toys R Us's and other "necessary" stores of their day. I do miss the fun times at Gamestop early 00s around Halo time lol
You know, if they were so worried about old games being played, they shouldn't of made them to begin with :)
Jokes aside, it is like how you describe it, old games are anti-capital for companies so they'll combat it as much as they can. The problem is, they haven't really did anything to really prove their new games are worth buying. Don't get me wrong, there are new games that are worth buying like Elder Scrolls, Baldur's Gate 3 (Sadly these are the only two off the top of my brain right now). But those games are in a sea of games that either buggy, heavily monetized, under performing or all three combined. And then there are Games as a Services that were release so rampant only to get shut down 6 months in. And let's not forget the premium $70 price tag that certain companies are charging for their games now.
It's why I pay more attention to smaller independent game devs since they are making games worth buying even so much so that I'll buy another copy for a friend. At least that's my two cents.
I've been collecting games and original hardware since hurricane Katrina destroyed my life and everything I owned back in August 2005, after gen 8 I have refused to upgrade my console hardware ever again because I could tell 5 years ago in 2018 the industry I once knew and loved is not only long gone and never coming back but the industry that has replaced it will never live up to the golden age of 1990-2006 that came before it as the issues which plague the modern industry started around 2006-2007 and have only been getting worse. I'm much happier with previous gen hardware than wasting my money on the new stuff, its just not worth the money they're demanding of consumers anymore.
Great points. This is why I love my Polymega. Pretty much have every game I ever cared about from the mid-80s to the early 2000s on there. The UI also makes it easy to explore the entire library of each of the supported systems across all regions. I couldn’t care less about the vast majority of modern games as they are not really “games” anymore but simulations.
Preserving video games must be a priority, manufacturers must offer emulators on the platforms they want and publishers must sell their old games rom/iso.
Ports and remasters are replacements not preservations, true preservation can only be done through emulation (who also preserve the consoles in a certain way).
Licensing laws need to be changed. As long as a game is not modified (the original game format with the same files so a rom or iso), there should be no licensing problem, the license has already been done. But if a game is republished (on a new platform or with modifications), it makes sense to need a new license because it's not the same game anymore. Changing the law like that may also help movie and music preservation.
The fact they simply won't resell those old games either just makes me glad to grown up in third world country surrounded by piracy.
Nice! Lol
Really interesting take on the situation, spot on!
Good stuff … solid backed points here! Thank you!
I honestly believe that Nintendo is being incredibly short-sighted with their thoughts on "control". Why? Let me explain...
See, Nintendo's business model isn't just reliant on consoles, but the first-party games as well. They want to preserve the integrity of their brand images at all costs, because they correctly believe that's their most valuable asset.
HOWEVER! They've done this by trying to prevent people from doing _anything_ with those characters, be it emulation, fangames, making LPs (at least during the Wii U days, before they started realizing the free advertisement was essential), and even music remixes. This pent up creativity cannot be stopped though, only redirected. So if someone _really_ wants to make a Wario game, but can't make a free fangame, they'll come up with their own IP that Nintendo can't even begin to control and _oh HEY Pizza Tower!_
What I'm trying to get at is this: Nintendo's brands, due to being the first (or near first) examples of genres, are often the faces of those genres. As long as most of the great games IN that genre are made with them, the brand integrity remains strong. But if the best Metroidvania is neither Metroid nor Vania, if the best Paper Mario isn't a Mario, if the best Zelda isn't a Zelda... then they are no longer the faces for the genre, and thus lose _incredible_ amounts of sales when that time comes.
To not recognize this is, in all honesty, the ONE thing that could kill Nintendo at this point in time. They've clung onto relevance (and for the most part _dominance_ too) by remaining more creative than the competition, but no company can compete on that front with the endless amount of independent creators.
I just talked about this last week. Why would they want to sell you an old Madden game for $5 when they really want to sell you the new Madden game for $70.
They've got to sell that roster update and a new mode that may or may not be good.