Men and women DON'T NEED each other anymore: the consequences of replacing necessity with desire
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- For perhaps the first time in a very long time, we have arrived at the point where men and women don't need each other anymore. For society to function, women need lots of men around, but a given woman doesn't need her own man. For civilization to continue, men need lots of women around, but a given man doesn't need his own woman. In this episode, I discuss some of the consequences of replacing necessity with desire.
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Women can get kids invitro and turn lesbian without much of a worry. It costs money but it's still possible
What you're advocating is permanent inceldom for millions/billions of men. Putting the emotional/companionship desire to one side, if men don't need women there's going to be a 90 - 95 percent drop in men wanting sexual relationships with women. Women don't want men so they're going to have casual sex with chad lite and chad. Sub 7 men have no chance.
Once the sex is over the women don't want chad lite or chad. Maybe the women might want them for child support in the event they have a child but that's all.
We will end up with billions of men having to pay for sex (or getting super advanced AI sex dolls).
Sounds nightmarish to me! But maybe if you buy shares in the AI sex dolls companies you might make a healthy profit. 🤭
We are creature off nature everything is related with each other. If you change something in the circle it will collaps
@@erwinwenger9693 most off career working woman have nothing to come home for
@@RazorM97 everything is possible now a days but is it good? You don’t have a good emotional band with the child. Look at surrogate mothers
Being a misogynist these days simply means you're logical, have self respect, clear boundries, and won't put up with misadrist bs.
@@Mike-dz4vqgoiajdpgoiadj-9 never gonna win with the mentally unstable
@@Mike-dz4vqgoiajdpgoiadj-9 Told a girl I had a height minimum of 5ft, that she cleared, because I dont want my future son to face ridcule. She got mad as fuck, even though she herself has a height minimum. You cant make this shit up
@@marcusplenty1153I told a broad that I enforced a weight maximum (130 lbs) when screening women and she got pissed even though she had a height minimum for men (6’4”), an income requirement (150k) and a penis requirement (6.5”). You can’t make this shit up.
@@j.p.911 I suppose they can dish but they cant take it
💯 I'm married, with kids and have everything going good... Still when I say something that they don't agree with...how dare you...🥴...
So a lot of times it's just jealous, envy, knowing you f*cked up big time, projection...
bc you are their mirror of erroneous behavior...boomerang of accountability...and that's 🤬 impossible to take for a low value woman...
You'll always be labelled as a misogynist any time you speak up for men in any way. Even if what you say is true, spoken In a polite tone, and doesn't put women down. It will always be interpreted as bitter hate speech.
Feminism is a disease.
True
Misogynistic is a misplaced buzz word that applies to almost no one. Who has actually met a man that actually has hatred for women? I sure as hell haven't. Its the word women use to shutdown a conversation when they have no actual rebuttal to an argument or criticism against them.
Only by those who are actively destroying Western civilization.
Wow, TheIgnoredGender, I haven't seen you in a long time. I really miss your M.I.T.M. series.
I've been saying this for years. When your marriage is necessary for your survival it's really easy to overlook your spouse's shortcomings. When your marriage is a luxury, it's hard to put up with anything less than perfection.
Underrated comment
You have shown me the solution... I need to go find myself a woman who needs me to survive.
@@horikatanifuji5038 lol
third world countrys ....@@horikatanifuji5038
Lol . We live in 2023 , no woman would need you to survive .
I dated a girl with two kids whose fathers had left. Taught them their letters, took them to the park, spent time playing imaginative games. Clothed them, paid most the bills. Still wasn't enough. She never appreciated it. Now I'm single and happier than ever!
Booooooooooooooooooommmm!!!!!!!
Glad you’re not a simp anymore buddy. Enjoy!
Glad you learned your lesson.
SIMP!
FatherSSSS???
She had 2 different baby daddies...??? 🤦♂️
Someone calling you misogynistic is utterly ridiculous
Definitions are a thing
99% of those people are bitter low sexual market value post wall women.
@@chillero3heftig712they arent to most women
Self-obsessed people will use any label to stigmatize anyone who does not idolize them.
"The language of empiricism will always sound like hate to people who only understand the language of emotions"
Honestly this is the same for friendships. That's why loyalty is so difficult to find these days. People simply don't need to rely on each other anymore. We aren't in a tribe or out hunting for our survival..... Relying on each other to live.
People come into your life when you have something they can benefit from and quickly leave when you don't.
Indeed. Thought I had a friend but the moment I hit rough waters in my life, that friend was gone. Now, when life is normal again, he comes back, expecting things to go back to the way they were. Nope, dude, you showed your true colors.
a lot of people need friends on a constant basis just so they can feel superior. that is a "benefit" a lot of people don't notice in their otherwise healthy friendships.
@@immortaljanus same here. I used to play the super loyal friend role until I realized all my friends were actually playing by different set of rules. Now I mostly focus on my own life. I consider people to be acquaintances at best
@@allenlin7333 absolutely agree.... Some people keep friends around because it makes them feel good to know a lot of people. I find that people who have tons of friends are a bit fake and that their relationships are very superficial.
When meeting someone, I am often first asked what do you do for a living. Why not just ask, how can you be useful to me, so I can decide if I want to be friendly to you?
I knew this was coming. There’s no way to present the truth and escape the label “misogynist” 🤷🏼♀️
this is the case with anything unless you mention negative stuff about straight white men (best if they're conservative Christians too). It doesn't even have to be true, say what you want. But if you state any fact that isn't positive about any other demographic then you are istophobic
Both happening is unremarkable. A 📚 common event
I personally don't try to escape it.. instead I embrace the title. Women that have a problem with my misogyny can kick rocks but typically they eat it up instead...lmao
Sure there is. Ask her to define misogyny. I guarantee that she can't, nor point to a specific statement that properly aligns with the definition.
They're just spitting out pre programmed feminist "logic."
I know the next thing the feminists will do: grow a mustache. A really small one, just at the center.
I discovered this channel yesterday and I'm devouring all of its content. I'm an "ugly duckling", so I didn't have much "practical" experience with men, as I ended up focusing my life on other things. In no way did I consider you a misogynist. Some women simply refuse to accept the reality of the facts. Men and Women are different and I personally find that fascinating. I don't want another woman. I appreciate masculine men and I realized that I need to improve my communication with men and take my share of the responsibility. I hope one day to come back here to share your advices worked and that I found a decent guy to make him happy. P.S. Sorry for my English. It's not my mother tongue.
Your English is excellent, and if that is you in the thumbnail, you are no ugly duckling.
@jamese9283 NOT ugly but she’s average in looks. 5 out of 10
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I've seen other women who complain they are 'ugly' when they are not just to get validation. Please don't do that, because it's unnecessary.
@@Randomizer92mx well friend, you didn't understand the concept of "ugly duckling" that doc explained. I am not saying I see myself as ugly or people usually see me as ugly currently. "Ugly duckling" it is other than "Ugly".
The Ugly Duckling turned into a beautiful Swan.
There's nothing misogynistic about the premise of women needing men. She just needed to fill her victim qouta for the day.
It's absurd. Imagine the reverse claim, that it's misandry to say that men need women.
@@RandomGuyyywow putting it that way highlights just how stupid it is even more clearly lol
Those propagating this paradigm of men and women no longer needing each other basically hates the species.
Women absolutely need men, and men absolutely do not need women.
That's just a fact in 2023.
Build your own roads, fix your own cars, install your own toilet, Sweetheart.
seems like the problem is the other way around. these women have a visceral disdain for men, probably from the brainwashing that goes on in the media and "education"
One of the conclusions we can draw from this is that feminism would go extinct if we ran out of electricity for more than 24 hours. The closer we are to raw survival, the faster men and women reassume their assigned gender roles. As a Brazilian who spent some years in rural Brazil and then moved to a big city in the US, I can see how such a large social gap between both places affects intersexual dynamics. No wonder that the Passport Bros movement is becoming a thing. However, many of those guys are delusional. Why? They tend to pedestalize foreign women, portraying them as an "ideal of femininity," but, in the end, they're all women. They're all hypergamists. Women in those unfortunate places tend to be more feminine because there's a need implied to that behavior. Give these foreign women a green card and an address in Chicago, NY, or the Bay Area, and, assuming they can function as average citizens, voilá: they'll act like your regular American woman sooner or later.
This.
Passport Bros fail to realize that foreign women are more submissive to men because there's no welfare state in their country.
And to be able to see it in a big city, watch an educated bimbo around a millionaire.
Yeah, they got spoiled with the convenience of modern life and started to think they can survive without men. Take away all their conveniences and watch them crawl back.
Bingo!
Although you're right that in those liberal cities, they have a worse chance, not all of those foreign women become Westernized. The divorce statistics are pretty good for foreign women as well. But yeah if you're the bottom of you barrel in the USA and you bring back a 9, she will be able to see pretty quickly that there are better looking and richer men that will give her attention. But I know of several long lasting marriages with foreign women. But those women were good women before they left their countries.
The most intriguing conversation I’ve heard in years! 47 years old, never married, no children. Entirely agree with the “illusion” of optionality. Amazing insights.
Illusion of options so big that a person is writing to thousands just to receive validation but a single person is considerated unsecure. That's bs....talking about masses
You are most definitely the problem not woman if you have not only never been married but not have any kids either
@heyyashleyyy2669 where did he say women are the problem? And what is going so poorly in your world that you feel compelled to take jabs at a stranger on the internet?
It’s amazing that we really don’t want each other all that much. Without need relationships are falling apart.
I think that's caused by feminism, which makes women very undesirable and makes them believe they don't want a men.
No need for relationships.
Why, I rather be wanted than NEEDED
Need doesn't disappear when the help that was once offered is made mandatory. Women taking money from men via government is women still needing men.
Doc, I’ve also noticed a decline in men’s overall motivation to aspire for bigger things in life or gain resources. In my opinion, this may be due to the fact that the average man is becoming mostly obsolete, so most are rationalizing that they don’t have to go far and beyond anymore to be able to provide for a family. I think we largely underestimate how motivational women can be in men’s drive for success. This makes a lot of sense from an evolutionary perspective, the more needed men feel in their respective societies, the more they’re willing to dispose themselves for the greater good. Our current society has largely removed those incentives for men, it’s as if they’re completely dropping out of society and it’s sad to witness. I don’t see any solution for this problem en masse. Technology and our modern day societies have largely replaced men, and now they’re even more expandable.
Solution for men: get with women of lower economic levels than them or even travel to other countries. Solution for women: There's no solution besides pets, cats, dogs, lesbianism, and sharing a top man with several women. Because God knows they won't settle for an average man. 😂
Women hate their unconstitutional Affirmative Action jobs and men are too broke to save them....win-win.
That's how women destroy civilizations!
I don't think people realize the huge pyramid 'traditional marriage' has built modern society today. People fulfilling these roles keep everything together. As this collapses this social 'supply chain' will disappear and all these crazy technological marvels will disappear.
This will continue to an even bigger extent. I have a feeling that everything masculine is being labeled as toxic, obsolete, or simply redefined as unisex. Competitiveness leads to the rat race or generally anxiety-driven behavior, stoicism is bad because it interferes with emotional regulation, rationality - well, women can also be rational. Strength? Technology will solve any strength issue. I can go on and on with examples. It looks like men are a danger not only to women but also to other men.
All this brings me to a sad realization that we need to find a way to justify masculinity. If not, it will be soon rational to exclude it completely.
I met a crazy woman on a dating app, which is most women on dating apps, who took issue with something I said. I explained that I didn't intend it that way. Her response was literally that my intention didn't matter. These broads have been poisoned by feminism. They've created a paradise where they're always the victim and men are always guilty, regardless of intention. No point in trying to reason with crazy.
100% this. Just isn't worth the risks anymore.
And even if there WAS a point, no explanation would be owed.
'I met a woman in a dating app'.
See, there's your first mistake: why are you wasting time and energy on dating apps? They're rigged completely for women. You should be doing something far more productive with your time.
Stop talking to crazy women. And if you say all
Women are crazy, then you’re the problem. It’s like feminists saying all men are mysogonist. We all know that’s absurd!
In women's minds intention is never important. What's important in their minds is the result. If the result is that she's hurt by the truth than you're evil. If the result is that she's happy by you lying to her and she kind of finds out but is not hurt then you're God. With men, intention matters. With women, results matter
I've been married a long time. Without marriage we would have been impoverished. It's nice to think that people can now be financially independent as individuals, and that they no longer need to be in relationships for economic reasons.
Why would you have been impoverished?
@@Ergeniz Together we pooled our resources. I followed my wife's suggestions about getting a job, buying a house and making investments that I would never have risked if I had been on my own. We both would have ended up much poorer if we had lived our lives as single people.
That bit about potential being "nothing" really resonated with me in a sobering way.
That was what I loved about being so young- the seemingly infinite possibilities for life and all the time in the world to do it all. Unfortunately, 20 years has a way of slipping by a little faster than anticipated. Suddenly it's halftime and I'm down by two scores.
Choose your sacrifice, gentlemen. Or it will be chosen for you.
Wise words.
I think most "thinking" men come to this conclusion, provided they're fortunate enough to live that long. It's very sobering to discover how many males don't even make it to age 60. Seems like one day you're a "promising" rookie, and the next day you're playing on, "Old Timer's Day". I am at this point myself.
It’ll be chosen for you anyways. Women don’t care about getting married or having stable families.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 Women can't stop you from achieving greatness unless you let them.
@@IanK369 I don’t need greatness. I want a wife and kids.
Women decided they didn't need men, men went their own way, women most affected.
If women changed their minds about men, do you really think they would have a hard time finding one?
@@mathias1dk One that they actually want? Yes it will be hard.
@@watamutha what do you want? Be honest.
I’m a borderline misogynist. But I have to admit that I want a women to the extent that I need her. I don’t want to live in a world where my relationship to a woman is a strictly transactional luxury.
@@mathias1dk Depends on what stage of life the woman is in, and what stage of "red pill" the man is in.
Your content is not misogynistic. Women aren't used to criticism, especially from men. They rarely get objectivity either. They are used to being pedestalized by men and championed by other women. Hence they often label anything contrary as misogynistic. Often agrily.
In a nutshell.
"Women aren't used to criticism"
they never will be. She literally said he is misogynistic because that is the "vibe" she got.
shes trash.
They also need a justification to hate men and try to position themselves as superior to men, therefore they claim that everything men say or do is automatically misogynistic.
Women have such wildly overinflated egos that they can't handle reality, or accountability.
Perfectly put
That is essentially the biggest issue there is. Women are never corrected on their bad behavior bc weak men didn’t want to make them upset. The reality is that both genders have to put boundaries in place and call each other out on BS when it happens.
It's definitely going to be interesting to see what people choose to do when survival doesn't monopolize your life anymore.
I remember sitting at a coffee shop with a friend describing this very theory about 10 years ago.. I was married at the time but really only staying because of our shared mortgage.. i didn't need her for anything, and she didn't need me either it was just financially cost effective to stay.
That’s how most relationships be these days, only being together for financial reasons.
Modern women will always NEED men to act in slavish kinds of ways, as utilities to do the tasks and heavy lifting that they've never had any intention of doing.
Men will eventually realise that they absolutely do not 'need' women for anything, their goals, inspirations, loves and deep passions can come from within...unlike the other who is never satisfied or truly content.
Oh and doc, women will call you 'misogynist' for as much as raising an eyebrow in disagreement!...pay them no mind.🌿
They get offended by damn near anything. Don't walk on eggshells for them. Never apologize, they think it's weakness
Nothing but the truth.
The irony is when I hear feminazi arguments that “domestic motherhood” is slavery of the patriarchy but men are out here literally laboring all day just to pay for her life and existence. Who’s the real slave then?
"The truth won't change just because you are offended'
I believe it's Erich Fromm who claimed that there are two kinds of love:
1/ "I love you because I need you," which he labelled as "immature love";
2/ "I need you because I love you," which he labelled as "mature love".
I believe it's a chance - for both men and women - to now have the option to choose which type of love they need or desire at a particular moment in their life.
Women have never actually liked having men around. It was only driven by need As a man I like a woman around but I get the impression . that the complaints about untidiness,boisterous-behaviour, lack of obsessive emotional introspection mean that they really don’t like us. Men are generally delighted when a woman enters the group especially if she’s good looking. Contrast that with a group of women who at best give tight smiles to a male “ interloper”.
Women's desires are unimportant. Men should continue the human race in the ways we men see fit, whether they like it or not.
Are we really delighted? When a woman enters a group, no matter how good looking, I know there will be drama, controlling and egg shell walking. I never liked it. I love being free and women are basically kindergarten teachers lecturing boys. They are feminine fascists. No need for it.
have you sat next to younger women eating with each other lately? listened to them? see how they treat each other? it makes you wanna puke and leave and go get some clean air.
i think your delusional.
As a woman I feel no shame in saying I need men! I need my husband and all the other hard working men who build and make society run. Men and women aren't and never will be equal we are complimentary and offer a balance of femininity and masculinity, like yin and yang. Without men all women would be screwed!!!
I totally agree with you. I am a woman too. This idea of competition between men and women is crazy. We have different skills and complement each other.
Exactly, we'll always need each other, maybe not for survival as much anymore, but to thrive and build a better life for sure. Plus most of us will always have that nagging feeling of wanting a partner or a family no matter how long we suppress it. It's just baked into our psychology. I think that most people won't realize how much they needed a partner or a family until they look back and see how much it's helped them develop.
Yes but what do those men get in return by make society run for you?
@@TetsuoTakayamaCyberpunkDo you want children? Sex? Companionship?
We love women! Most of what we do in life is so that we can build a good life and a nest to make a family.
I'm attracted to women enjoy sex but I don't need them because it just feels like its another job that makes my life more complicated
You just expressed what many have known but are afraid to say or admit
Pjuliano9000:
Yeah, I can relate.
Even with just sex the havoc they can cause on your life it’s debatable if it’s even worth it
It's not another job, it's another bad job.
Yep. Women are actually a negative on your life for success.
Waste of money and time and on top of that most of them are boring.
One thing I see quite regularly when shopping are examples of the older couple where the woman is obviously the boss and the man just a helper. Neither looks particularly happy or content, maybe they are still together from habit, financial reasons or some other practical reason. But observing them makes me glad I'm not in such a situation.
We have arrived at an age where one can say "no relationship is better than an even potentially bad relationship." As mentioned in this video, people can survive and even thrive without a sexual/romantic relationship. And since one has to settle and cater to the needs and desires of their partner, If another person doesn't show signs that a relationship with them is going to help us achieve a goal (like having children) or signs that being with them is somehow going to improve both involved parties lives, at least by a small bit, then the optimal thing to do is to not even bother trying to form a relationship. Why attempt something that is probably going to be more trouble than it's worth, when the need doesn't exist? And in the case of marriage and procreation, the trouble can become HUGE and the legal and psychological (maybe even physical) implications might scar the involved people for the rest of their lives. Why even attempt something like this when there is no urgency or big profit to be gained in exchange for the trouble?
This is how I think and my friends think I’m weird for not chasing women
Why chase something that is only going to reduce your standard of life on average. I have never met a woman who could raise my average standard of life. They only bring it down.
@@mayomthuc9157same bro. I spent years chasing tail and it only brought me down. I'm done with it and all of my bros don't understand.
@@bagpussisevil2877right!
@@bagpussisevil2877 this! When we are young and don't have a care in the world, we tend to overlook that part. We do things that reduce our quality of life all the time like drinking, smoking, not sleeping well, spending money recklessly etc. We focus on the small moments these behaviours make us happy without noticing how they slowly ruin our lives.
I think what the manosphere (at least the positive bits of it) are helping men do are:
- Helping men set themselves as their own mental point of origin
- Growing men's awareness to help themselves identify what is in their best self-interest
If it stops men from simping and gain some self-esteem and dignity, then it served its purpose!
so delusional! None of those listed are positive traits. You can look in his comments & see that he has the tendency to be misogynistic.
"Men and Women don't need each other anymore"
Tell that to the two aging single boomer women in my family. Works out well until you're pushing 60. Then it begins to show. And it's not pretty.
My mother is 81 and completely dependent on me. She did a horrible job of raising me (married 2 selfish abusive cowardly men) and I made it all on my own. She's a kind person but weak and naive.
Family becomes a neccesity as one grows older, the world is not filled with endless possibilities forever. And while my male friends at the age of fifty can still choose parenthood and they indeed do , I no longer have that option.
Depends on the person, an introvert would be happy alone and they would also not mind being taken care of by strangers in an elderly home.
@@user-rj7ps4ej5hexactly. It's often too late when a person gets old enough to realize what they need.
@@-haclong2366
That kind of care isn't cheap though, and it's only going to get more expensive.
Most people can't afford quality care.
The truth hurts sometimes. Sometimes, the truth is unfavorable to women, but sometimes, it's unfavorable to men. That's just life. I'm glad that we're finally getting to the point where people can actually be honest with one another, regardless of whether or not it hurts someone's feelings.
it will always hurt, we've all been fed lies for so long
Dude finally you put all the pieces together of all of the things that have been troubling me all year. I love the feeling of being needed because desire seems so fickle but I need to let go of that if I'm to ever have a good relationship again
Women for generations felt exactly the same - they needed men because they couldn't work, yet men commonly left their loyal wives of 20 years for the young secretary. Desire IS fickle - and men took total advantage of that, now they are starting to feel just a tiny taste of what women endured for so long. We SHOULD be talking about how this sucks and how to solve it, and how we will become better partners BECAUSE we understand how it feels to be on the receiving end of hurt - but nope, sadly, people just engage in the oppression olympics...
First…. All laws where men are forced to give woman money for any reason need to end…. All of them… then I’d agree men aren’t needed.
Court system are sexist to men. Period.
Those women are fairly getting what they're payed.
@@letgo4331 Not at all. Women boast about being strong and independent and able to do everything a man can do, backwards and wearing high heels, and then arrange the legal system to give them money for their irresponsibility.
@@letgo4331no, they don't I can prove it by. We can take both a man and w woman and monetize their input. You say you want money for cooking a meal, I say I want money for being an emotional therapist. We can play that game, no problem.
@@letgo4331 I'm European, and assuming you're from the US, I think you're completely delusional.
The stories one reads from the US are truly baffling. Like men dating single mothers a few times, and then ending up in courts run by feminist activists, resulting in them being required to pay child support. The term is "marriage like relationship", which has been embraced (and expanded) by feminist loony judges and ambulance chasing lawyers.
It’s the beginning of the end people. Brace for impact. As a man focus only on getting better and then choose only from the cream of the crop. Protect yourselves.
Yup! Been doing that for a while, now. What a peace of mind it brings...
Always the best advice. Focus on improving yourself, not chasing women. Let them chase you, if they want you.
'Brace for impact', indeed. Seems like I've been hearing 'PULL UP, TERRAIN......PULL UP, TERRAIN' from our 'society' for years.
@@jabba0975 Little ice age coming around 2036, only the Smart, Strong and prepared will survive. It will weed out the weak idiots just as nature intended.
Thank you for your insightful videos on modern intersexual interactions. I appreciate your non-biased, drama-free takes on the subject. We need more of this as opposed to hubris and drama-filled content the likes of Rollo, Whatever, Donovan, etc.
Thanks for your support, man
Rollo Tomassi is a clown
I found this video to be a necessary "back to basics" reset pep talk. A succinct, powerful and timely message. It's exactly what I needed to hear to put perspective and clarity on my own life situation. Thank you.
Dating is very expensive. Marriage is ridiculously expensive. Divorce will bankrupt you 😂. And men will have to bear the greatest percentage of these costs. For men, the wisest choice will be to stay single.
1,000 % facts
Or go gay hahahaha
Women run higher risks in dating of sexual assault, violence, pregnancy, being lied to by men who fake wanting a relationship, stis, stealthing. In marriage, women are expected to work like men, but also raise children, take care of the home (men don't do chores), clean behing the manchild, perform like porn stars, remain young forever and not complain. Men will just be employed and say they live life on "hard mode" because of their "nagging wife''. Fucking lol.
Long term partnering makes sense, just don't get married and don't live in a common law marriage state. The exception would be if she out-earns you. In that case sign those legally binding contracts boys!
@@ElTheJono yeah your right
What women have become and offer as a mate, is increasingly undesired.
What society now offers women is increasingly replacing what men provided as a mate.
Add to this the dangers men could face when interacting with women. And the list goes on. It's down hill for traditional relationships.
Not worth it anymore
Extremely concise and well put.
Stop dating, pursuing, and thinking about us then. Nothing lossed. Women have much more dangers being around men.
@letgo4331 statistically, men face more danger from other men than women ever will. It's in most mens nature to self-sacrifice for women.
Please get enlightened before once again blaming men for womens poor choices.
@@letgo4331 We already stopped
"Absolute Potential" and "Absolute Gain". That is spot on! I have have seen it many times to the detriment of all involved. Excellent video.
It's Women never having loved men but Men always loving women coupled with the fact we don't need eachother.(for now) Is what makes this so tragic. And of course it's going to take tough & terrible times to bring the sexes back together. What more could you want
I mean the simple fact is women don't love men at all. Look at society. Now with that in mind, how many men do you think will want to provide for a class of individuals that couldn't care less about them? The answer is women would likely lose their rights and be relegated to sex or birthing employees. It's not like they would ever show a poor man compassion when he's down and out, so why should we show compassion for them? There's nothing equitable about loving a woman. The man loses in that arrangement, every time.
But men will not take these women. Again, how would tough times benefit men if they were to be in relationships? It wouldn’t. Men will still have porn, unless the internet gets completely destroyed. It’s women who may suffer economic carnage that resorts to them needing men, but not the other way around. Men will only take women if they’re pure, innocent and beautiful. If you have a high body count (which most of them do) they can fuck right off no matter how much they need me. Now the up and coming new 18 year olds, that’s up to them to learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, and not rack up a high body count. That’s the only way. The current generation is fucked.
Agree but… You can’t bring 30 or even 20 body count woman “back together” with anyone.
I want enough money to never worry about money. There’s no need for anything else 😂.
Women don't know what they want. This is why trying to become what they want is a loosing proposition.
That's what happens when you base your entire reality of emotions, which change from day to day.
I believe that most women deep down know what they want, but alot of us are raised to be sweet and nurturing. We are praised for our mother instinct and we often end up 'forgetting' about ourselves when we have to take care of everybody elses needs.
Sorry my bad English
_Individual_ women don't know what they want; women as a _population_ represent a market, and market forces can be observed and measured.
My brother has been finding that out the past decade .
@@maijensen3317 "a lot of us are raised to be sweet...."
LMAO!!!! You with the f**king jokes.
I’m an older guy. When I hear young a women or man say they don’t need each other it greatly saddens me. Of course we don’t financially need each other. But on a human level, the relationship between a man & women can be one of the most beautiful things in life. We all need each other. Don’t buy the BS from heartless, power seeking people. They are empty shells.
Nah bro. It has to happen one way or another. Say goodbye to relationships. The gender wars will come soon. I can't wait to slaughter
Look at these comments. It's not hard to understand why young women feel that way. Men caused the divide.
@@letgo4331 Ah so it's men's fault that modern women have treated men like garbage, making most men jaded towards them. Spotted the feminist 😄
@@letgo4331It is grossly unfair to say that men cause the divide
My whole life I've heard women belittle women with very little good to say about them, while the men have tried to become what women want, because they themselves want women. And to this day a lot of women are still blaming men for everything (yourself included).
I don't know what it's like where you are, but that's been my experience. So from my perspective I can't see how men are the Ines causing a divide when it is women being the most judgemental and complaining the most, while doing the least
@@letgo4331can you explain how "men caused the divide"?
This has been one of your best episodes yet, its like over time you are narrowing down what everyone thinks and feels in this day and age.
I too will be interested to see where this next chapter of dating will take us
Dying alone and the end of western civilization...
Quickly becoming my favorite channel. I’m sure you’ll reach 1M subs soon with quality videos like this.
I am 47 years old married for 22 years. It is thanks to your videos that I manage to understand myself and my spouse! you make me laugh every time because you are precise, fair and say the things that need to be said. well done !
Speaking as a 22-year-old eww Gross. You are literally the same age as my dad. 🤢
Very happy for you. This is what has been and still will be celebrated for years to come, long lasting marriages. M very happy for you.
We now know for sure that women where not loving their husband the same way men love their wife.
As soon as they saw they could be in high status and leadership position, the divorce debacle started.
It is proof it was just an association by necessity, not for true love for men.
100% correct， the only two thing women love, are themselves and their children.
@@brookxiaofengxiong8473 women love just themselves mainly, the kids are alot of times just a bargaining tool for women who are the weaker gender. They will often times sacrifice the whole family and or marriage, usually ruining their kids future because they are not 'happy' anymore. They will then try and look for a better mate for themselves thinking the grass is greener when it usually isnt. Their hypergamous nature is just for them and not their kids as many people believe.
True words spoken.
@@bibbityboppityboo1206female cope
Briffault's Law.
Well that was very concise and to the point. No fillers, artificial colors or flavors in this video.
I never dreamed that such a situation would come to exist but it has! Agree with your thesis and can see it evolving before my own eyes when I go out in public.
I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS
Finally someone else says it.
I've heard a lot of people spoke about it... In France. The Anglosphere is still in denial
When I saw women graduating from college, getting good jobs, and then traveling and spending their discretionary incomes, that is when I realized that when you remove the economic gain of marrying a man then women no longer had desires or needs to get married. They can take care of themselves economically when this was probably 90% of the reason they wanted to get married in the first place. But now they are fun and support themselves.
This video explains why terms like "hoeflation" are popping up.... people are maximizing their wants in the pursuit of relationship since needs are less urgent.
Orion Taraban has a cool Sci-Fi ring to it. An intergalactic doctor who appears when a neutron star formed, helping to reconnect the fragmented souls in the astral plane.
Or a James Bond villain.
Orion’s Belt 🌎 👽
Or a porn star
Wow lol
😆😆
Man, you are a goldmine for framework.
"Trading infinite potential for a given actual." Yes! So well put.
Personally I believe that when women decided to "not need men," their hope was to ultimately force men to have to do better to attract & retain women. However this actually forced men to become proficient in the tasks that we once depended on women to do for us. Now I believe that this has brought us back to the drawing board, so to speak. Because men no longer need women, because we now truly take care of ourselves for maybe the first time in history, men once again require women to do the tasks that they rebeled against back in the 60's. It's actually kinda funny if you think about it.
"Personally I believe that when women decided to "not need men," their hope was to ultimately force men to have to do better to attract & retain women."
Exactly, and the good pscyhax guy keeps the simp level super high.
I always find it hilarious when women bitch about domestic chores in 2023. Like many of the tasks themselves are almost fully automated...
@@BOSSDONMANwell... xx.s may have all that on their own and alone, basically. with no gents' finger being lifted nor m.e.a.t. being 'in-wasted' to them as mere instances of adversity...
Your first sentence.... DING DING DING, that is correct, and I'm glad someone finally said it. Women used to be the ones that'd take care of our laundry, make our bed, take care of our children, keep our bellies fully, and keep our balls dry. Well, these days every single man I meet can cook - even BETTER than most women I know - they make their own beds and clean their own apartments. Men do their own laundry, and keep their libido in check by shifting that frustration and energy into hobbies, or just rubbing one out and continuing on. Ffs it's a STATISTICAL fact that a child raised by a single father turns out SIGNIFICANTLY better than growing up with a single mother, so it turns out men can also raise kids by themselves, and these kids won't turn out fucked up. There is zero need for women. Can't say the same for the opposite. I stopped dating over 6 years ago, and I couldn't be happier. I'm not even lonely, I've got my best buds to cure the loneliness. I channeled my sexual energy into the gym, and now I'm in the BEST shape that I've ever been in.
Men are logical thinkers, and as such, I don't see american society ever going back to what it once was. Men have weighed out the pro's and cons, and we've realized that there is no pro to being with a woman.
"Need" is different than "optimal." As a currently single man that has been lucky to experience a few great long term relationships in the past, life IS better and more fulfilling when you have someone to share it with, no question.
Men make and maintain everything women have that enables them to not need men.
Zing!
But we are spirits so....when we dead will you be needed? No. Because we see spirits and spirits don't eat or drink or even take bath. This all ends there is no point to it. The minute you figure it out the minute you realize that your men being protectors and providers is mean less and a set up. You think we are bodies you are in for a rude awaking when you die
This.
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Bingo!
This clarified the talking points so well thank you
Thanks Doc, this was marvelous, informative and very acurate. You are truly impressive: Eloquent, unbiased and objective. You always surprise me with how transparent and flawless your frame of thinking is.
Honestly, if it wasn't for sex I'd have no reason to deal with a woman at all. 🤷
I’ve been thinking once they figure out how to give men female reproductive abilities it’s literally game over for women. It’s so sad.
Good news for you. Wait till you hit 40 and you can get used to the idea of less sex.
@@okaySamfor reals. It was like, why do I want to talk to them again
You can totally replace women with sex dolls or sex robots. Seriously. Just avoid human females completely and you will have peace and joy of your mind and spirit!!
@@okaySam 39 now. At this point, I'd rather just pay a professional woman to get the job done.
I came to this same very conclusion. My father/grandfather didn't know how to fold their clothes, or do laundry, or cook scrambled eggs or anything, or take out the trash lol my grandmother did everything, my mother does EVERYTHING. It hit me when I realized that I've far surpassed the men in my family in being independent and if that's the case, the question needs to be raised.
Men can build an entire village, create roads, all the science and technology, etc. but men can’t fold clothes, scramble eggs, or do laundry. That doesn’t make any sense. They make anything complex but simple things such as scrambled eggs or do their laundry - that’s beyond a man’s capacity to comprehend or do. You are either trolling or rationalizing your inferiority complex.
Meanwhile, your (hypothetical) sisters are less knowledgeable than your Mom and Grandma in those aspects and are often increasingly unwilling to do those tasks for their husbands, because feminism taught them that it would be demeaning for them to do so. As a result, husbands have to step up to the plate and often do more than their wives nowadays (when it should really be 50/50 when both spouses are working the same number of hours).
Cool story, bro.
don't be lazy like tem
@@letgo4331 I think you should apply for a job in a coal mine, or sewage maintenance. I think that would suit you since you aren't lazy.
This is the situation in Japan and has been for many years.
It is becoming more common in Europe as well.
I love all your work and videos. This one stand above ! Wow.
I've been saying this for a while, that need and want are two very different things. As society changes and morphs with the evolving culture, so do intersexual dynamics. Love this video and your explanation. You're the only psychologist I've found who talks about these things and relates it all back to mental health and how to cope or even thrive in these conditions. I'd like to integrate these insights in my own practice eventually too.
Most psychologists are women and they lack abstract thinking. Interestingly, women as a group are net tax burdens so they do need men via government but the reverse cannot be said. Half of gen x women are single and childless because nature is punishing them. Meanwhile, marriage, sex and childbirth rates are at all time lows and women hate their unconstitutional Affirmative Action jobs. 🧛♀️: "Thanks for, like, adding value."
Are you muslin?
There is no intersexual dynamics! Women are on their own thus laws and how we live going forward needs to change. Daily men by the 1000s want nothing more than law changes! We not your pieces of sh1t and owe women nothing. Intersexual dynamics existed before women walked away in the 70s! Women are not an oppressed class and we tired of women making life miserable for everyone around them.
No man wants interaction with women, change is here and it's going to look very different to women's socialist utopia you've pushed.
No one should need anything
I remarked this so someone only a few weeks ago. Because of labour-saving devices, the welfare state, independent access to resources and artificial insemination, women don't need men any more. After artificial wombs become available, sexbots become refined and AI becomes a substitute for relationships, men won't need women any more either.
@Psyhacks
The problem here is confounding the perception/realization of need vs actual need.
Most women do need men, they just dont know it because the Government enforces a massive redistribution raquet and culture has rewritten history to make women feel entitled about it.
But the fact is that women as a group are not net tax payers and have never ever have been.
They literally cannot afford to support themselves as a group.
If that is not "need" then I don't know what is.
He knows....we've told him from jump. He's here to pander to the past.....It's the unconstitutional Affirmative Action jobs, their hated of work and various entitlements. Marriage, sex and childbirth rates are at all time lows and racial minorities are also net tax burdens so immigration is collapse. I can't wait.
Wrong. Women who need jobs, get jobs. And they support themselves from these jobs. They don’t need to buy motorcycles and boats and trucks and custom built houses with their paychecks. It’s men who need these baubles to feel worthwhile. Women are fine with a modest apartment and a bus pass and a pizza and a pint of Haagen Dazs. I’m sorry to disappoint you . We’re not as helpless as you claim. We’re not going to come running to you sobbing and begging for help when things get icky. That’s just your fantasy. 🤣🤣🤣.
You're completely right. The West has a massive wealth redistribution program via TAXES and LAWS (Alimony) going on. Shut that down and women will/would need men eg avoid being baby-mamas and all the stats around that.
The solution to this question is something Western govs won't acknowledge:
1. Men create the physical environment and such systems
2. Women create the psychological environment (most essentially that of developing human children)
What the doctor has not considered is this generation are all raised without the above basic structure of human society being clear and the results will almost certainly increase dysfunctionality.
He's right about potential vs actual however and the above structure is all about that social trade between men and women as adults and transitioning to family creation.
Of course traditional systems eg religions already solved this problem.
Yes, it is socialism that transfers wealth from men to women that allow them to survive without men. This is the elephant in the room that pro-socialists never want to talk about. Get rid of welfare and a lot more women would be looking for husbands.
Exactly, take the gov subsidies paid for by men and make fair family courts then even in the absence of physical labour women will understand they actually rely on men.
Right now we have wealth being taken from men and funnelled to women on all levels of society.
This is what furthers the delusion that men and women don’t actually need each other when one gender clearly supports the other.
Alright man, one of your best yet.
Thanks :)
Another great video, Orion.
Correct. Social media has created a delusion of infinite optionality. Beautifully said.
regular men give options, sucessful men give a life.
infinite options, thats it. remember girls and women lie
infinite options, limited sucess
average men give options, sucessful men give lives ''kevin sameul''
wise words. there is limited sucessfull men that can do that. the new cat women is the women living with other old women aka cats , this is upon us
guilty as charged. started disposing men at the slightest flaw or justification for why we arent compatibile. Partly driven by a combination of two things: fear of intimacy & delusion of choices
I think we are headed towards bleak times. I don't think that need will be completely replaced by desire. Especially when women and men are artificially sedated with social media/dating apps and p0rn respectively. It's easier to live in an illusion more than ever.
Do not forget the sex robots. Not inflatable dolls; I mean ROBOTS!
Who cares ? Get yourself an AI gf and be done with it .
Perfectly Beautifully well thought out explanations
I love the modern world! As a woman I wouldn't want to be forced to be with a man even if I didn't like or want him to live. Who would want to live with that ? And I think in the past women needed men more then the other way around relationship-wise. Now women are on a more even playing field in that.
#13 Law of Power: When Asking for Help, Appeal to People’s Self-Interest, Never to their Mercy or Gratitude
This goes for relationships as well. Need is a powerful bind made of steel, want is a single thread of silk.
A given woman doesn't need her own man; a given man doesn't need his own woman. But isn't it interesting how many of us still want one? "Need" is a word that can mean many things to different people.
men have never needed women. women have absolutely needed men to survive. This is why recently women have been loudly exclaiming "I don't need no man!" They can survive without having their own man. But men have never felt the urge to say this, as it's silly.
Hi , great upload. Very well thought out and presented. Thank you..
I've been saying this for years. It seems so obvious! Very well said.
Facts! I am experiencing exactly this right now. Staying in good physical condition has been an absolute game changer.
We're hung up on arguing about survival. Wasting time arguing who has which value takes away from living a life worth living. Stay away from people too angry to be around and let them stu in their unhappiness
Yes
This was a good analysis. It already mentions it, though not stressed out, that it's not that we don't want a partner, it's that we're mutually not willing to make the exagerated number of concessions we both increasingly demand.
Very insightful and well explained.
I have been saying for years that the word "misogyny" may be in need of a new definition....of course, it has been applied to so many things in the past 30 years that it may no longer actually have one. 😁
Some excellent points here - and I'm very curious to see where things head from here....especially if financial conditions continue to worsen.
At this point we should stop trying to prove things aren't misogyny. Just agree and keep it moving lol
You know that men are the ones actually oppressed when men know the meaning of misogyny and women don’t even know the meaning of misandry. It’s really that simple.
Heres a comment section full of misogyny. If women were sying the exact same things you wouldn't be fine with it.
If they don't need men, next time they need something done, call around and find a woman to do it. Like, next time you need a mechanic or a plumber or something like that try to find a woman to do it... I'll wait... my point is that women still need men for survival, they just don't notice those men because they are seen as low status, taken for granted and subconsciously seen as expendable.
Call around men to be babysitters, nurses, doctors, work in elder care, birth people. Men are paid for the jobs they do just like women, it does not mean men are more important.
@@cevanille1104 But women are more important than men without a career because women have a career? HAHAHAHAHA
If men don't have a career and don't win enough money then women consider men less important. So let's talk about a survival scenario: I don't need a babysitter because I don't have kids, I have plenty of health don't need a nurse or a doctor, Im not elder so I don't need elder care and Im not pregnant because Im a man. So, the vast majority of men really don't need all that crap of works that you mention, but women still need car's for driving for be babysitters, need the oil for their cars, need that someone (spoiler, will not be women) build the hospitals for nurses and doctors, they need too whell chairs for elders, they need special tools that men create for "bith people"; the list could be almost infinite, because the babysitter and her car need the paviment on the road and their tires need be repair, the hospital needs maintenance of different kinds, the elders need a building for stay safe, that building need maintenance, and so on.
The conclusion is: women live comfortably in a world built by men, so that's mean, in society, not as human but in society, men are more important, because the list that you mention is not possible without the previous work of men. If women want to change all this, then women need to start to work as plumber, electricians, driving trucks, mechanics, and a really infinite list of works of all kinds that only men realize. So, in our society men are more important, you can't deny this, just as you can't deny that if men don't have a career and don't win enough money then women consider men less important. It is what it is, not what you would like it to be.
@@divusgamer853 Honestly did not read the whole paragraph due to your stupid "survival scenario" (what's the point ?) but if you want to argue stupids why not.
You survived because your mother took care of you as an infant. There. Women and men participate in the survival of the species, and women mostly do it via care-taking. I guess you don't value that, probably due to low emotional intelligence.
I don't know why you want to argue "who's more important men or women", but I would say your problem is not ''men' or "women, it's the fact that obviously, you feel very unimmportant yourself, or you would not be so interested in the topic. So maybe you should adress that.
For the rest of your rant, yes having a job and a good income is better if you want a family. Times are hard.
This was laid out pretty simply at the beginning of the video: society, on a macro level, needs both genders for various reasons. Behind closed doors, at a personal level, neither men nor women need each other. So your point about plumbers and mechanics and etc service providers is moot, and for people who lay claim to logic purely based on their gender, it is puzzling how many men in these comments are fixated on that point. Those are professions both men and women pay for. Your average man is a white collar fellow who cannot fix a car / do plumbing / build a house / lay a road etc either, and no man is fixing or building anything for anyone, male or female, for free.
@@cevanille1104 I am more likely to find a man in every one of those positions you described than I am to find a woman in the others that I described.
Keep up the good work!! People need to start wising up.
I disagree in one thing: the optionality of these days have brought a lot more unhapiness and disfunctionality than ever, the more "options", the more relationships, the more neurotic people becomes
The headline and content of the video got it right. Relationships are based on need, and there is no need for a relationship other than this instinctual reproductive desire that gnaws at those who desire a relationship but don't have one. People coming together these days literally have little to nothing to offer to each other. And we see highly dysfunctional relationships as a result. Even if they do have something to offer, they have no idea how to go about it in a productive way.
However, I think the old cliche` of: "May you live in uninteresting times." is very spot on. I'm not particularly thrilled in these unpreceded situations showing up in modern society.
It's may you live in interesting times.
That was a really great video, I really appreciate your willingness to be brave and say things others won't say.
Thank you, doctor. Your content is thoughtful, well meaning and very interesting. Wishing you continued success.
Orion. Thank you. I am on a journey and your video discussions have helped me on this journey. thank you so much!
This dynamic is fascinating to watch unfold. I'm just old enough to remember the old ways, but young enough to compete in the ways. The invention of the internet was the tipping point. There is no going back now.
No wonder "May you live in interesting times" is a curse.
It's not just sexual relationships - People like to go on about how much they value community whilst simultaneously wanting the government to do ever more for them. They don't realise that communities exist out of necessity too - If the government satisfies all needs there will be no community. This is why people pine for the communities of their youth when everyone was poorer.
You killed this episode!
Young man you are brilliant, well put ❤
dude, bars on bars 🙌 you have become BY FAR my favorite channel in this space. Appreciate you brother 🙏
Thank you for the balanced and informative content 👍
You may not always succeed in the message you want being perceived in a good light. But the people who sit and dedicate themselves to listening to you, and reflecting this information with their own personal beliefs and ideas, we all know you aren't Misogynistic. You're such a kind person and you help men appreciate the great values in women that a lot of redpilled, manosphere type of people (I literally love that space, I see it all the fucking time) seem to either take for granted or shame for the wrong reasons. You're fantastic and you have a lot of knowledge on how people interact with each other. Keep being you brother, this was a good video.
Good vid.
Very factual points.
This is the result of modern feminism. This is a step back, not forward. Also men have always needed to understand women to give what they want. Women simply have to exist and be attractive physically to get men interested. The game was never fair.
Marriage, sex and childbirth rates are at all time lows
Women run the risk of getting pregnant, which is a life-altering event, to be sure (while men can just walk away). In the past, this was a lot more dangerous because we did not have efficient contraceptives or abortion techniques nor modern medicine to ensure a safe and smooth pregancy/delivery. So I'd say men had it a lot easier back then, and it made sense for a woman to demand plenty of guarantees.
Nowadays, however, a sexual intercourse carries very little risks to women who protect themselves. They can enjoy sex the same way men do (relatively carelessly so long as they protect themselves). But, wired as they are, they continue to demand tons of guarantees to men even as they no longer necessarily carry his offspring or (with feminism) no longer feel compelled to contribute anything to the household. Under those circumstances, it doesn't make sense to men that women continue being so demanding.
@@Thinker1985
People have tried to end me many a time. Men have never had it better than women and women have never had it hard. Traditional women still benefit from feminist laws and that knowingly. The problem is greed, sloth and deception, not necessity.
It's little wonder so many men are dissatisfied if looks in a woman are all you care about.
@@forgottenfuryan men did have it way better than women back in the day
I think you hit the nail on the head. It’s good to have more than just one option. But having an almost infinite number of options (as many modern women do because of dating apps, Facebook, Instagram, etc) makes it much more difficult to settle on one person and not feel like there could be a better option out there once the initial excitement wears off.
regular men give options, sucessful men give them a life.
stop saying they have options, even they dont care cause they no its the truth, they have no options for a life, for a husband .
they have to work. they fight this. and to this i say to them... tuff fook.
We call this the tyranny of choice.
Wow that was deep.
Salute to you sir
You are expanding my mind beyond what I thought capable
Exactly right. I have witnessed this need thing my whole life.
Lucky for me I have been married 48 years to Mrs. Right.
Your point is true in the short run. Women seems not to need men anymore on the surface. But civilization does not run by itself. All the basics things for survival that we all give for granted need the daily work of men. Water supply, power supply, plumbing, transportation, ... all the unseen pillars which sustain civilization itself are carried on the back of men. What is the motivation behind all this hard and unrecognized work? family, children, wife. A man does not need much to get by. The ambition for more comes from a single basic motivator. Reproduction.
As the nuclear family is destroyed so is the social contract which serves as the basic motivator for young man to sacrifice themselves for society. A civilization is build by men for women and children. The collapse of western civilization seems inevitable.
Technology, credit cards, restaurants/fast food, pornography, social programs have all made relationships more obsolete. However even the ones you see today are usually resource motivated on the womans part. Our grandparents generation weren't more moral or loving, it was simply necessity as you mentioned. Human nature doesn't change, only the times do. However once men no longer have the incentive to provide for a family, society will erode. Men as a whole will not take the risky high paying jobs as much, nor attend colleges or trade schools. There's no point really if you don't have to provide for a family, as men in general are totally fine with sparse furnishings, basic clothes, small dwellings and an older reliable vehicle. The effects of this societal shift will really be seen in 25 to 50 years, perhaps less. When infrastructures began to collapse, fewer homes are built, less airline pilots, oil workers, construction, plumbers, doctors, etc.
They think they can just keep importing other men from different countries. That is how they pay you back for all the deaths men had to sacrifice in order just to keep society going.
Other men, from poorer countries will fill the roles.
@@TGP109 very true. But I doubt men will give up high paying jobs just like that, because a lot of them make the big bucks to flex on fellow men. Cash is king and amassing loads of it gives men bragging rights and places them in a hierarchy above poor men, I don't see any possibility of them giving that up because they don't want children. If the world really worked that way, all gay men would be poor and destitute.
@@TGP109 Globalism is already being fought on all fronts, borders will be closed within the decade. Fewer people is a good thing though, we don't need 8 billion NPCs swarming around everywhere.
Thank you for your perspectives.