He TRIED to TILE his own SHOWER!!!--- WHY it would HAVE FAILED
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- čas přidán 13. 08. 2019
- Tiling a shower is harder than it seems. Sal Diblasi and I have some very detailed instructional videos, but we are professionals and have done this for a very long time.
Most DIY's will struggle with showers, as they require very precise planning and details. The waterproofing is critical, and if anything is not structural sound, failures can occur.
Getting walls plumb and flat is no easy task, and either requires wet shimming the wall board or floating the walls with a mortar bed. Trying to flatten wall with thinset as you set tile is usually an uphill battle that a DIY'er will lose. Leveling clips or spacers will not help in this instance. Leveling systems still require the substrate to be flat.
Waterproofing is also difficult. In this instance the homeowner used Kerdi membrane which requires thinsetting sheets together which can lead to areas of build out, or areas that bubble from the sheets not laying completely flat.
One of the biggest mistakes this DIY'er made was using 1/2'" kerdi-board for the top of the curb, which easily compresses and would have led to a failure if weight was repeatedly put on the soft areas of the curb.
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Mad respect to the home owner for being willing to be on camera. Not easy position for anyone to be in
It's actually a really much better format, in my opinion, to show why something is wrong instead of saying "this is how you do it". You really never foresee the problem areas with DIY videos. Thanks for doing it this way and shout out to the owner for being man enough to admit he was in over his head.
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100%. This is how i think most of us learn, especially me. I question everything, so understanding WHY is always paramount for me. When someone says "do it like this because I do" doesn't tell me why it is done that way and for what reason.
You are truly a good man! I've been in the trades for 50years and you have humility and patience. One very important traits for any trades man. He's very kind with this man.
Thumbs up for the customer letting you share this, that's awesome
I thought the same thing, great sport. I would be humiliated 😩
You are very diplomatic in your analysis of what went wrong without insulting or demeaning the homeowner. Kudos to you. A very professional approach.
In management, we always called that a “compliment sandwich”; start with positive, constructive criticism in the middle, and positive on the tail end. People are much more receptive this way. Good job with professionalism with that client. 👍🏻
Positive sandwich 🥪 yesss
*I give this homeowner alot of credit for tackling that job!*
He tackled it not....
And was brave enough to stop when it was going wrong and publicly admit it.
He did a fairly good job; just probably didn’t have enough time nor knowledge. Everyone was once a beginner!!
He was drowning
@@dghcnu07 you are out of your mind. He didn't do anything even remotely good. He did something that he didn't know how to do instead of finding out the proper way to do it BEFORE he started. Homeowners are the worst when they "try" to save money.
I am a contractor and for clients who want to try diy I always say go ahead and point them in the right directions. Worst case scenario they hire me to fix their work and they had a chance to learn
I admire your attitude. Some on here admit to price gouging home owners who try and fail.
I'm just discovering your channel. I've done around 7 kitchen & bathroom tear-outs & renovations. I gotta tell you that you're always calm, professional and humble with your approach. It would've been easy for a contractor to make this homeowner feel like an idiot but you presented yourself as a caring professional who just wants to help. I really enjoy your videos, keep them up man. Great Job!!
If you ever get a contractor who makes you feel like that, you need to hire a different one.
Tbh if anyone did that to me i'd fire them on the spot
Yeah! Imagine if doctor yell and cursing you for drinking alcohol and eat fastfood. This how some contractor insult their hirer. People make mistake. This is the 1st bathroom. Contractor probably went throught dozen mistake before make it right. Tiling is hard work and it probably took you some trial and error - learning tips before get to do it correctly.
all my family love your work God bless you
Big shout out brother, you've got me through so many jobs with excellent results...self taught and refined by you. Appreciate all the time and energy spent over the past few years. Thank god for CZcams University...best money i've every not spent!
The quantity of contractors out there that are also educators is too damn small. Thanks for this video!
Isaac is a true professional. He has done several jobs for me. Excellent tile contractor, awesome crew and easy to work with.
Thanks for the mention Isaac, it is never as easy as it looks, best to start with a small project before jumping into something like a large shower stall. Critical to understand the limitations of the tools and products we use.
you are a boss
Sal! You're the man! So much good knowledge. Thanks for doing what you do.
Yup good videos sal
True words there Sal. Experience gained in those smaller projects will pay dividends in a large project after you have learned how the tools and materials work together.
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Can't screw up unless you try. Kudos to the homeowner for trying. I remember my first tile floor when I became an overnight contractor way before youtube; I laid down the tile over laminated plywood, and it looked great. The next day I came back, and all the plywood buckled and popped the tile. The homeowner was very understanding, and my friend, an actual tile guy, saved the day. Sal and yourself have great channels; I have watched you and Sal evolve over the years.
I am a DIYer and have done several big project to before, so this was not my first rodeo. I did my own oversize shower. It turned out great, but I will admit that it was more work and time than I originally planned on.
Yea I'm debating if I should do tile or pre fabricated shower
Oh the amount of things I’ve had to demo for homeowners that tried doing this type of stuff. Cheers for him trying with the schluter systems and even floating.
I am not even looking into bathroom remodeling right now but I like your communication and humility so much that I gotta watch a few videos hoping I will learn a bit!
I do everything myself. If someone else can do it then so can I. Saves a ton of money.
I've watched two videos from this guy. He seems highly knowledgeable and compassionate. I like the way he exemplified the good aspects of this particular home owner's attempt, yet didn't shy away to point the faults. I'm going to subscribe to the channel.
Making your walls plumb starts with plumbing your studs so that your drywall/backboards are also plumb. Bathroom renovations aren't easy. Probably the hardest room in the house to renovate.
I would agree with your stance on getting into the trades. Im a former engineer, quit 2 years ago doing contacting and portable sawmill work... much more rewarding. We have a few videos here and there, which certainly adds to the fun as I'm sure you know
Same! Mechanical engineering degree and 4 years in to the real world I had to adjust. Renovating kitchens and bathrooms is so much more rewarding! The engineering education helps tremendously too
At least the owner was honest about it instead of blaming
" Bad contractor job"
lolol
It's need years and I still come back to these videos.
Right on! Gotta give Sal his props!
Thanks for your videos, in November 2018 we noticed a fault with our toilet and shower area. By the time the insurance and my plumber went back and forth it was another 3 month before I got a no from the company. At the same time our city got hit with a major flood and hundreds of homes were inundated. (Good luck getting a tradesman after that) Away just about finished the bathroom/toilet renovation thanks to yourself and other skilled youtubers. It's not perfect but it will do. Sure beats the porta potty and shower that we have been forced to use for the last 8 months.
I love all these videos and am currently building my first shower from scratch with Schluter. As a novice I have watched, 2, 3, 4 times over videos to make sure I am doing each step correctly and in order. A little patience and attention to detail goes a long way. That gap on the kerdi band on the wall is hurting my eyes! Thank you for making these videos!
I gutted my master bath to the metal studs and concrete slab (like we have in far South Fl) and rebuilt it. Tile shower and all. 'Floating' Inovis bench, arched niche. Direct drain. Troweled on water proofing over .5" duroc, niche, bench shampoo shelf. And not the red, paint on stuff! I lived there for 4 more years and I know it was done correctly. By me. With a lot of online reading. So 124 lb lady can do lots of things, if they want to. The only outside physical help I had was installing shower rated fan/light. And I was the one who rearranged the duct to outside in ceiling when he said it could not be done.
And there was much more to bath redo than shower.
It was the selling point of a all around beautiful condo. And needed no Realtor.
I'd like to see a video of how you floated over the kerdi
I must say this channel is winner I love it here keep it up
It's all in the prep.
Good thing he was smart enough to ask for help
Dulrock and hydroban together great. Im a tile installer and use this method alot works good never leaks or any problems
Love the way your so humble and patient with all people
You guys do a great job editing. Thank you
I have to say that is one ambitious first tile project.
🙈🙈🙈🙈 I’m planning on starting my own project which is bigger than his. Let’s see how much of a dogs breakfast I make of it 😬
CZcams is the liquid courage of home improvement :)
great video. cant wait to see the rest
Always start with the positive! I am really enjoying taking on tiling as another trade to help my custumers(fans). I've been doing interiors for 10 years but always subbed it out. I've learned ALOT about prepping and now really enjoy tile as I'm very OCD and flat walls and floor means you can be, who would know?
Thanks for the videos!
Isaac, are you going to record the whole process of fixing this shower and the end result? As for the owner, good for him on trying and knowing when to call an expert.
I was also impressed with the owner
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I like how chill this bloke is and the way he explains things is so easy to understand.
Your teaching is great and positive -
Great video brother may you have continued succes always bro
Best curb on the market: KBRS Hard Curb. Don’t understand how other brands can get away with simply selling a block of foam as a curb for so much especially since you can’t drill into it and expect a solid grab.
I used the Kbrs curd and totally agree.
Architect here, learning a lot!
Great videos. Sure appreciate the time and effort to show best practice!
The soft curb is normal for kerdi. It has not been any issue whatsoever. I had same concern though. He could have left that alone.
Just wanted to echo the comments on your kind manner with the homeowner who found himself in over his head. Showers, niches, those are deep water projects.
I'm kinda in the same issue, almost 2 years working on a custom shower can't find a professional to come out and it's just a huge project. And I'm very worried it's not gonna be leveled right so these bids definitely help
Can't stress this particular video enough.
I've built out an entirely gutted bathroom, down to the studs and floor/ceiling ripped out to basement and attic in a rancher. Reinstalled everything including window lintel, copper, electric. Lime plaster for top half of walls, ceiling, all good. Used Schluter-Kerdi membrane over cement board and custom mud pan. Tested no leaks, all good.
I get to the final days... now going on a month fighting the uneven wall, wet shimming and doing the finish work by hand, sometimes tile at a time, all because the walls are slightly off plumb, not floated, and every single half cut is custom losing at least half a tile to waste. It's the simple things...
Not bad for my first tile effort however... just super slow, constant fight.
Ok so I'm a Warehouse Worker, But an automotive technician by trade. I wasn't happy with the trade so much because cars are a hobby and I can already see I would get tired of doing the same basic repairs all day every day. I am a musician and I always have too many hobbies. But I love to be creative, the tile trade looks fun to me! I used to co-own a pool service business when I was younger, I am 31 years old. And whenever we got to re-tile the top edge of a pool, it was always good fun for me! Im interested in doing something different with my life.
Thanks Isaac! Have been watching you and Sal for a bit now. About to start marble tile on my show now, been learning everything through CZcams. You guys are CZcams Tiling masters, thank you for you time and knowledge!
good luck
like this channel a lot. Great job sir
This is a great example of what has to be dealt with in an average project. Kerdi on the curb, good catch, need cement board and wrap.
Issac great video!
Yeah finally after doing this for 20 yrs decided to start a channel on the tile industry and share some knowledge I do a lot of commercial work now days, any tips on how to make it on CZcams?
Kerdi board is meant to go on studs without drywall. I am certified by Schluter for shower installs. However, that isn't how they talk about how to do curbs. I don't know if this guy has taken a schluter course, but with that specific point he is wrong
Are you saying the curb was fine and could have been tiled on just fine? Also what courses ?
I rip out showers all the time. None of these builders make their shit right it all comes out like cake. He’s right though
Love the videos. Though I need to google the building terms as I watch! Curdy board? Kurdy board? Ah, Kerdi boardI! ’m an Irishman living in France so I don’t know if I’m coming or going! Keep up the good work.
I think the kerdi was giving so much bc you were applying a lot of pressure in a 1/2” area. I’ve used that board a few times and once tile sets it’s pretty solid (if done correct) As far as any walkway you gotta use concrete board
I've had too many call backs on kerdi that others have installed in commercial buildings. Not very good stuff. Old school wall mud and floor mud or I don't do it but that's just me.
@@philllindauer5006 You probably fix more showers made the old school way. But Kerdi does require an educated installer and most are not. When done right, the system is great and backed by the manufacture.
You might discuss the option of pulling the Kerdi board off the walls and sistering studs onto the existing ones to get a straight wall. Metal studs tend to run pretty straight or just run some boards thru a table saw.
First time viewer, Bro i love your vibe. Its very apparent you know your trade, and yet, you, don't subscribe to the pompous, knucklehead attitude that you meet in the home improvement(out of control) industry.80% of contractors i meet belittle their clients or employees on a regular basis without reservation. in my opinion, for a young dude ,you got it figured out. its about integrity , respect and a work ethic. keep doing what you do. a flipper in Cali
side note: kerdi "blows" over priced. rather build without it
I just make sure the studs are plumb and flat before kerdi. This the kerdi is plumb and flat. Easy peasy. Simple and done.
very good tell us why we can faill... nice. thank you.
Use protection plates for clips on marble. But yes those joints have to be clean for easy removal. Nice video. ( A Sharper Finish )
Finally I find at least one better then me installer in the shower and it’s you
Your message at the end, is speaking directly to me today. I really needed to hear that more than you know. I'm a DIY'er and I enjoy it more than punching this @#$%^&! clock and dealing with the BS. Trade school now, will be a pain for me for the money reason, but I got to do something cause I'm a point where I can't stand this anymore. Thank you!
Be aware you will be trading one BS for other BS's. Trades are nice and fun until you get an injury or sick and your joints start wearing out. It's nice doing work you love, but I think most people lose site of what's really important, and that's making a life *outside* of work.
Props at the end about getting into the building trade if job is boring
Hello! Thanks for checking out one of my videos! * *Steve breathes* *
Nobody:
Steve: *HEAVY BREATHING*
😂😂😂
I'm using green board with wet shimming with heavy duty construction adhesive.
The person who dared to actually try this can absolutely do it, he just underestimated the importance of wall flatness. All newcomers make one mistake or another. I'm sure his next tile job will be a success. The problem with watching videos is that the teacher just can't remember all details, so he fails to mention some. One has to watch a lot of videos to get all the details.
So I really hoped to see some "how to" on floating that wall. Great job but this and the follow-up don't show how to float a wall. I hope you have one on that I can find. You do a great job explaining and showing things in your videos, keep it up!
Looks like he bought some quality Kerdi stuff.
That’s a Kerdi premade curb... what are you doing essay !!
no its not
Issac Ostrom - Great Video.. Love all of your stuff and Sal's as well.. Where is the second video to this one showing the rest of the work to get this shower back together.. I didn't see it on your channel.. Can you provide the link? Thanks a bunch
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For those of us with tubs, would you mind sharing tips on how to best waterproof around that? Especially when you have a simple drop-in, without a flange...
I really like the marble tile used in the shower. Do you have the details on the maker etc. of that particular tile or where I could get it. Home Depot< Lowes or somewhere online?
9:40 Even you can push Kerdi with your fingers it doesn't mean it's weak because point pressure can be huge but when there is tile over it pressure will distribute much larger area.
Example EPS under concrete slab you can make huge dents to it by finger but still it bear car above.
Don't you have quick set concrete that you can pour curb no need to mess with wood and some boards.
The 2×4 acts as a straight edge to follow. Doing a concrete curb would still require 2×4s as a form. In fact it would require more of them and then you would throw them away. It's much better to use the wood. A single 2×4 on edge is the best
Darth Vader over here needs some claritin or stairmaster to get that cheeto breath out of my ear canals. Great video non the less.
After 40 years in the trade , try as you may , nothing beats a good cement floated shower.
That's my thought🤔
I've watched enough of your videos now to avoid building out my own shower pan. I bought one. Gonna do the tile though. At least dude was brave enough to try and succeed with his own pan! Lol.
Hopefully you know enough not to call this guy either. Have you seen the number of call backs where he blames the manufacturers? Incredulous that anyone would hire him after watching his vids. I appreciate that he shows his mistakes, but so many of them should have never happened to begin with. This guy who hired him after watching all his failures deserves to have his bathroom floor rot out.
I don't think there's enough content on CZcams for DIY shower install with no experience building a shower. I spent years perfecting my craft as a tile setter. Tile work is a art. Throw in the fact that a shower has to be appealing to the homeowner, but also water tight.
I got licensed and started doing all Schluter showers 2 years. Once you get the hang of it everything goes smooth. Easy six figure income.
one more person who is full of them self
Tim Eason yep
No tienes estos videos en español o con sustítulos en español , los necesitamos ,😩🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I like to make my curbs from mud and go straight over it with Kerdi membrane
Save the hassle and just use a polystyrene curb from Shluter. You can even get them pre-wrapped with kerdi. So easy.
What do u think about using tule redi shower pan I think it's easy to install
Some things are better left in the hands of a professional, but trial through error is how we all learn , great teaching and very instructive, THANKS.
It's very tough to continue a wall/ floor that has with leveling clips that have dried over night. The next row of tiles helps level out the previous row. This becomes difficult if the previous row is dry.
Issac. Who stocks denssheild in roseville/ rocklin? I tried to find some for a previous job and couldn't find anyone with it in stock. I have a curb on a current job that I was going to cap with kerdi. I think I want something firmer.
Travis
@@TileCoach
Thanks for the heads up. So, what's really going on with you and schluter? The reason I ask is because a month or 2 ago you posted a video on the best way to build a shower. That shower had kerdi board/panel on edge for the shower curb. This shower has basically the same thing yet you say it's no good. I say basically because they both had kerdi board and were both approved by schluter. I am sure if you pressed on the curb of the previous shower it would flex just like this one.
Not trying to call you out or nothing. I am on your team. I am thoroughly not impressed with kerdi after seeing the water test that you have done. I am going to make shower pan mockup. One side will be made with schluter thinset and the other with versabond.
I mention all this because I am a perfectionist. I am always looking for a better way, as I believe you are. It drives me nuts when someone says that this is the best way and then sometime later they say it's wrong.
Reminds me of not touching ardex products for almost ten years because someone told me that they sucked. Come to find out, they are awesome.
I tiled a floor with marble hexagon mosaic tile and i have some scratches and knics can i polish them out with a variable 4 inch angle grinder and a set of dri pads?
I cheated when I did my shower....plywood, then concrete board then membrane then mortar and tile and the biggest cheat....bootz shower pan. First tile project ever
What do you think about the KBRS tile basin
But Kerdi recommends building custom curbs with 2 inch kerdi board strips
Yea they do, quite frankly the 1/2” foam on top of the curb was just fine, it offers a ton of support for the tile when installed, sure it’s soft when you force 2 fingers on it but once you spread the weight over the surface it holds a lot of weight
What i would've done was checked for level on the walls and then put thin set on them to level everything out then let dry leveling clips are nice but in order to get them off i simply remove the wedge and use a paint stick to knock them off it makes it so much easier to take off and it doesn't brake or scratch the tile
Can you use Ditra over a newly installed hardie backer board for shower or areas of water plumbing? Is this too much of a over kill or ok to do? Or possible to do? Or will this harm anything
This is why I stick with durock cement board.
Never fails? Our company has fixed many durarock showers that had leaking and rot issues.
@@FlatOutFE That's b/c the idiots didn't waterproof and grout correctly.
@@TheGuruStud , grout has absolutely nothing to do with it. Grout isn't waterproof. If you waterproof correctly you don't need Durock.
@@FlatOutFE Grout is not waterproofed only in US. I have never in my life saw grout that absorbs water.
@@boryanapetrova1341, the modified cement based grouts from TEC, Mapei, Laticrete should not be thought of as waterproof. Secondly, none of the caulk joints should be thought of as waterproof. Caulk and grout joints in corners crack.
Should I fill gaps in cement board in the shower with water proofing or thin set
buen ytrabajo lo importate que trataste de hacerlo no tengas penas animo
What is the best tile leveler for a 4” 8” shower wall tile with a 1/8th grout line
I been doing a ton of showers and bathroom never used that product before
Cement liner cement waterproof
Tile
0 call back in 10y
@@fartpooboxohyeah8611 well said. I learned a lot of what not to do by watching the so-called "pros", and kerdi board is one of them I avoid. As you said, the standing water can only go as high as the curb. Anyone who concedes to water inevitably getting behind their tiles and/or pan shouldn't be tackling the project to begin with.
@@fartpooboxohyeah8611 Kerdi isn't just 'waterproofing' it's also a vapor barrier. Just because you have done it for 30 years doesn't mean you've done it right for 30 years. And judging by your statements above, sounds like you've done it wrong for 30 years. Standing water is not the only thing that needs waterproofing. Water vapor is just as damaging. Kerdi and other waterproofing behind tile has other benefits to maintenance.
So are the pre-made kurdi curbs not good to use?
A homeowner Wall of Shame video!