HotD STILL has ONE Major Problem - House of the Dragon Season 2 Episode 1 - A Son for a Son Review
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- Today at the Mystey Shack, we return to Westeros for the season 2 premiere of House of the Dragon and the infamous Blood & Cheese incident.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:32 - New Opening Credits
01:55 - Winterfell, Winter & The Starks
03:33 - A Boiling Point - Rats & Dragons
06:41 - Timeskip ;-;
08:01 - Aegon's vs Rhaenyra's Council
09:30 - Rhaenyra & Alicent
10:14 - Blood & Cheese
14:39 - Closing Thoughts
15:18 - Outro
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I like that they're not making Aegon just another Joffrey. Showing things like his love for his son, and him at least TRYING to help the smallfolk (even if it's more to make them like him) are good for humanizing him just a little. He's still a selfish prick, but he's not a sadistic monster like Joffrey.
ABSOLUTELY. Joffrey was an incredible villain because he was literally the most hateable creature ever created (I feel very bad for the actor 😬), but giving Aegon at least some redeeming traits will definitely spice up the upcoming conflict.
Helping people to "make them like you" its what being a good person is (unless is just to then take advantage of them of course)
Making us forget how he already had children that he very much enjoys mutilating and watching them fight other children.
Wait, what about all the time spent in the child fighting pits even putting his own bastards in there and raping the servants at will (notice how all the maids don't even want him to take notice so he's probably still at it), and now wants to be known as Aegon the Dragon Cock so he's pretty sadistic.
I think the only real difference up to this point is what we got to see of Aegon's antics.....nothing, whereas most of what we saw in GOT was Joffery as a very young virgin king (Aegon had lots of sex) groomed from birth by Cerci who barely let him leave her side.....a lot of pent up frustration has to go somewhere and when nobody can stop you well.....let's see how Aegon handles things now that his son has been killed right in his own bedroom.
Aegon barely knows what his kid looks like or does daily (notice he had to check) so being a father when it suits him and spoiling the kid rotten isn't very redeeming. Let's see what absolute power does to him now. I agree the fantastic actor who played Joff really had a lot on his plate. I wonder if they had changed him up with another older actor as the seasons went on like in HOT D it would've made a difference (and maybe the dude wouldn't have quit acting)
that ending had me shaken up, i thought the rats Haelena meant would be Larys tipping off Aemond about blood and cheese and they walk into an ambush, not this horrifying nightmare where I hear a childs head being hapharzadly hacked off with a shitty knife. Not even a clean decapitation, you hear the muscles and bone ripping its awful!!! Incredible episode
The "rat" is the rat catcher, Cheese. in this case. Her visions aren't exact, just informative enough.
@@SerunaXIOmens.
alicent changing the cycle of "live, laugh, love" to "sin, bathe, pray"
This is hilarious
typical christian tbh
That's how most of the Muslim lives lmfao
hey yo we do not generalize and mock any religions ok
First episode was really good and makes me so excited for this season, i do think Lukes death is felt. From the way The Greens and The Blacks react, aemond's finale reaction, jace's reaction, and specifically Corlys's reaction. As much it would've been nice to see the instant reaction it wasn't necessary. I do disagree with most when it comes to the Blood and Cheese debate on if it was worse or not. I believe we got a more emotional gut punch compared to the dark twisted book version, hearing the kid get his head cut off was so eerie.
100% agree on both debatable topics.
They got a lot to cover so what we got was really good already. We cant see wveruthing, and Jace's return to his mother brought onion ninjas into my living room. So touching, that was already enough
As for B&C, i feel this crew are much more cognizant of unnecessary gore and avoiding it while not sacrificing story telling and their themes and messages of human frailty (mentally) and ease of violence and the work it takes to avoid violence. Thing is, theyve elevated beyond GOT which could be hypocritical at times where GRRM's message got thru, but HBO and showmanship resulted in tons of tits and blood just for the clicks
Theyve really hit an incredible balance and i commend them for it. Fantastic storytelling; i think it teaches a lot of imprtant things for those who introspect on the topic
Edit: spelling
Though the promotional content was ramping up the whole team green vs team black, I love how the show keeps with the whole "factionalism is bad" theme. Both sides suck, they both do horrible things, and I love it
@@Sillyrapter I’m team jaceaerys and team helaena
Actually I think that the new opening is based on the Normand Invasion Tapestry of 1067, fitting seeing that the Targaryen literally invaded Westeros, and they are partially based on the Normans (and the Greek and Romans).
The Bayeux Tapestry, yes (I saw it!).
It also makes me think of Helen at Troy weaving the story of the Trojan war as it's taking place.
Actually🤓
The Starks protect the north
Winter is coming
Blood literally says, "He said son for a son." So when Cheese asks Deamon: "What if we can't find him?", he responded: "Son for a son." That line wasn't shown to not spoil the ending.
It was such a pleasant surprise to see that you’d uploaded this! I’d love more dragons content from you.
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Considering your double-meaning of Larys being a rat himself and possibly a rat-worg you're going hard here. Bravo.
I was upset with the ending, I wanted Blood and Cheese to say that Your momma wants you dead line!
Well, the thing is they had to choose a son, and Maelor (I think it's his name), Helena's third child in the book, isn't around, so the choice was pretty obvious between the girl and the boy.
@mavitilo Nah, it could've been adapted keeping just the twins:
Cheese restrains Helaena. Blood wakes the kids. They tell Helaena to choose which child she wants to sacrifice. Helaena offers her necklace. Blood or Cheese tells her they're not here for gold/trinkets, theyll get paid when they deliver a child's head. They warn her to not make anymore offers (like, kill her instead), they threaten to abuse the kids until she makes a choice.
Helaena finally breaks & chooses...
If she chooses the GIRL, Blood can just smirk & say, "Finally, a decision... but our orders were for 'a Son for a Son'", draws his blade -- cut away -- & we just get Helaena in shock, maybe muttering to herself, perhaps about 🐀 rats, clearly disturbed & disassociating with what she's witnessing.
**If she chooses the BOY, Blood can whisper to him, "You hear that Boy? Your mother wants you to die." Smirks, draws his blade - cut away - & same ending as above.
Definitely could've kept the tension, emotional/psychological elements & lines from the Book version.
Love the topic and am totally interested in what your views can add to the experiencing of the series... That said, I haven't watched the episode, yet. So I'll be fully watching this after that. I'm not sure yet if I'm watching the episodes one by one as the come or if I'll do as usual and wait for everything to be out before starting. If you're sharing your insights as they go I might possibly be strongly inclined to doing the former rather than the later. Thanks for your very cool content!!!! 😁
Hey man I been a fan for a long time. Love all your content and I am so happy you are coving ASOIAF and HOTD! looking forward for more great vids thanks dude
love the series and the channel keep em coming bro!
Stoked that you're doing HOTD analysis!!
Please Koroto
we need a GOT/ASOIAF overanalyzing!
Hey Korotos, loving your videos, got hooked with the AOT stuff then watched all the avatar stuff now here I am for HOTD, great content, keep going!
*about to dig into some sausage gravy*
"Alright, let's dismember this kid in the soggiest way possible!"
Um, yeah, breakfast is OVER.
maybe just me on this but, I noticed that when Haelena looked Cheese in the eye about which twin was the son, I dunno. He had this look of regretfulness. maybe on some level he probably realized in that moment she really doesnt deserve any of the misfortune thats happening to her and also equal parts surprised because like Blood said i anyone else in her position would lie about which one is the true heir. Yet Cheese didnt push it or even doubt her, one look without breaking contact and he's like, "Nah she aint lying". My personal interpretation on it though is that people can tell Haelena really is just that innocent and Cheese upon noticing the signs became reluctant about the ordeal. Not enough to convince him not to do the deed but enough for them to take her at her word and let her run away despite her possibly going to warn the guards
Excellent analysis!
Now, I couldn't resist to watch the premiere so... Here we are! I agree that the way they sort off skipped the moment right after that super shocking scene and its aftermath felt wierd. To me, it was a logical step to take and seeing how different scenes just continue to happen was like "really". And the sole wing scene didn't fully cut it for me. Also, Daemon always want conflict level 10, right from the moment he wakes up and never less, lol!
Many thanks for sharing those thoughts as they came!!! 😁
Please please please keep making these for HotD. Love the way you analyze AoT and it is very welcomed and fitting for HotD ❤
Where can i find that bingo?
Is it weird Aegon himself aligns me Team Green?
I was wondering if they are going to make Larys a rat - a literal warg rat
The thing with blood and cheese i thought the show did really good with that scene until I heard what the book did. I feel like that seen could have had a lot more weight with Helena having to choose a son
yeah i wanna see more! I finished TWD and im up to date with Attack on Titan, BRING THEM ON
Not a fan of the opening. I love the change in visuals, but they still haven't changed the track to "The Promise".
If the Aemond kinslayer issue isn't talked about next episode it won't happen probably . But Ep. 2 could be were it happens, alicent blaming Aemond for all of this blah blah 😂 honestly I'm just so excited every time I see a dragon none of these things truly bother me. Until every episode is out we can't speculate these things will never happen
I think Blood & Cheese should've been Episode 2 and Episode 1 should've been the immediate fallout surrounding Luce's Death. It's not a show-ruiner, but it would've been nice.
So glad we get a korotos HotD over analyzing
Ohh this certainly isn't overanalyzing, we'd need a few more years for that 😅😅
Alicent did not misinterpret the king Viserys he told her he had dream that his son will sit on the throne in season 1
Yes but he also said he quit on that dream. That was early on and is the reason why she misinterprets his final words maybe, but between those moments he recofnirmed Rhaenerya multiple times.
Finally, she did misinterpret bc he was so drugged up he thought he was finishing his convo with Rhaeryna from previous nice about ASoIaF but it was actually Alicent who heard what she wanted to hear rhinking he knew it was her and not his daughter
"we have all seen the trailer", no we haven't.
definitely should've gotten a bit more time where characters react to luke's death. I'm just saying, it should've been a 10-ep season.
This episode is easily one of the best game of thrones episodes ever.
someone hasnt watched episodes from seasons 1 to 4 of GoT in a while huh
@@The_Aleph_Null you are wrong and hes right.
And season 2 has all the Jon Snow with the wilding which had great moments and a whole lot of trash
@@The_Aleph_Null I just watched it. hotd is so much better
Nooo the war with Jon was the best episode lol
Blood and Cheese was underwhelming not because of the gore and brutality . But because Halaena's reaction could've been amped up to a desperate mother pleading for her child even offering her own life in exchange. Her screaming would've also made a huge impactful difference in that she needs to stop being treated like a one dimensional prophetic NPC and more like a character
Your wrote Jahaerys two times, I saw it
Because there are 2 of them lmao. The old king and Aegon's son.
I did not like blood 🩸 and Cheese 🧀 Cregen Stark and the wall was the highlight for me
Wait what? Am i just imagining things? Cus Daemon was definitely specific to B&C about bringing Aemon's head, mentioning him by name, that he has one eye, and that he's a skilled fighter so to be cautious of that.
Wife and I were wondering why B&C just went for the kid but chalked it up to uneducated, desperate murderous peasant-brain.
I pnly checked 10 comments or so bjt didnt see anyone else. Can yall confirm?
He described him, but when B&C asked what to do if they can't find him, the scene cuts away.
He DID say to go after Aemond, but we don't know what he said the "backup plan" was.
@Koroto ah that's right they left the alternative open-ended. Yeah thanks for reminding me, I think it was excellently adapted as I commented on another's post
My b, I misunderstood ur commentary in the vid as meaning that Daemon didn't try at all
Edit: spelling. Ps. Great work, always was hoping you'd cover asoiaf. Trying to engage in ur stuff as much as possible!
You either have a hard time paying attention or remembering….. just watch it again man
@Trashpanda887y you either have a hard time comprehending long form writing, or you just make bad assumptions. Just read the comments thoroughly man...snide retort aside, lemme explain my perspective.
In my second comment, I was being courteous to Korotos bc he's a great creator. But my first comment shows that I literally recalled everything that Daemon said to Blood and Cheese (making ur comment a bit ridiculous IMO). My question arose because the way Korotos scripted it, I interpreted him as meaning "it was completely left open and Daemon never described Aemond". I misinterpreted that because he started the segment with "jahaerys wasn't the target", then korotos doesn't mention explicitly that Daemon actually describes Aemond, and instead jumps past that point to the vague open-ended scene cut.
Therefore I was confused by this and wanted to clarify. It's a basic miscommunication by lack of 100% thoroughness on both my end and Korotos' (IMO) so it's nobodies fault, rather just the pitfalls of the medium.
Hope u see where I'm coming from and have a bit more empathy next time instead of being condescending..
@@lup1up ya im not reading that essay
Maybe I'm just super desensitized, but Blood & Cheese wasn't really that bad. Definitely not the level of messed up that I've come to expect. The book version sounds more in line with expectations.
Team green and black are both Targaryen.
Well yeesss, obvs they are, but you get what I mean. 😂
@@Korotowhat do you mean? Traitor!!
Not really. Team green are Hightowers, that's why they rock Green. They are no more Targaryn than the Volaryons.
@@nebulanigrimleonis3883 Aegon? Aemond? Heleana?
@@nebulanigrimleonis3883 buddy they are viserys sons & daughter so it doesn’t matter who there mother is because alicent is a Hightower but her mother was a florent, rhaenyra is a Targaryen but her mother was an Arryn. The only green Hightowers are Otto and alicent, the rest of viserys children are TARGARYEN no matter how you try to twist it, wearing house colors doesn’t give you their name
I loved Aegon in this, it's a good idea making the greens more likeable
No mushroom
No Daeron the daring
No baby maelor
The woke writers couldn't handle adding 2 more white men with blue eyes and blonde hair.
It's too much for them
The episode was entertaining but at certain points I don't think it made any sense.🤔 I also feel as if things were rushed and scenes we'rent allowed time to breathe. But that's just my take. But I think we could have had 2-3 episodes with better pacing and making the scenes more impactful. But they did well but it could have and should have been better
Its wild how quickly a show can go from "thee hottest thing on HBO" to "who gives a shit?" Its all just so forgettable. Lets have 99 offensively-ugly people that all have the same name.
No. We didnt need "the aftermath of the dead". What are the Greens going to say that matters to Aemond at all?
There was 0% chance for those two to actually kill Aemond.
The episode was Peak GoT level, which I didnt think it was possible.
Just remember. -ond is probably a boy, -era is probably a girl. I hope.
I loved how Aegon II was sympathetic to the farmer whose sheep were eaten by the dragons 🐉 and wanted to give him compensation but Otto Hightower (the Mitch McConnell of Westeros) whispered, “You don’t wanna do that or we’ll have to pay back all the poor people for dragon mishaps…” Hysterical political bureaucracy. 😂
The sheep were taken to be food for the dragons, like a tax, cause the upcoming war means more flying and dragons 'need to gorge' as Rhynese said. Aegon was never groomed to be king so I get that he was trying to be nice....but that's what the Hand is for....to guide him. Aegon should've asked Otto's council before making snap decisions until he knows more.
@@midnighthour733 but that’s the Point. He was trying to be nice. He’s NOT a Joffrey Baratheon-Lannister
@@DrDetfinkHe tried to be good because he wants to please someone, and since people supported him during the coronation, he is trying to please them. This is more selfishness than kindness, don't be fooled. Both sides sucks
@@beden653 Maybe. Maybe not. Think Aegon II was not stupid enough not to know that he’s unpopular amongst the people. What he’s probably unaware is how the Naval blockage is starving the people of King’s Landing. Otto was trying to teach him to conserve resources because no one could tell how long the war will be.
@@DrDetfink Even before this, Aegon had not been particularly interested in what anyone needed and how politics worked. Knowing that nothing good awaited him in his family, he drank his life away in brothels. Having received recognition from the citizens of the capital, this is the only thing that pleased him, so it is no longer politics that plays here, but his "nobody loves Me " issues
Personally, I don’t believe Alicent really feels bad. For years she instigated against Rhaenyra and her kids, she bullied the kids, calling them bastards, treating them like they were illegitimate, and fomenting hatred between half brothers and sisters. She knew what all that would cause, she doesn’t get to say, “I didn’t mean it” now. She was never truly a friend to Rhaenyra, she was there to help her family crawl into the throne. This cost Rhaenyra time with her father, the lost of her baby, and the lost of Luke. What happened with Blood and Cheese is horrendous but I am not sure why everyone expects Rhaenyra not to act out and look for revenge.
then you never got anything about Alicent. Alicent only got against Rhaenyra when her farher was gone from the court and Rhaenyra lied to her face.
She instigated Aegon to the throne because otherwise Rhaenyra would have needed to kill them. It was Otto from the beginning. Yes, she was envy about Rhaenyra's freedom and LACK OF CONSECUENCE, but in the chapter when Viserys sat down to the table, Alicent wanted to reconcile with her.
Also, Luke and her brother were treated as bastars because everyone knows they are. Seeing that this impunity can put in danger your children, can make some people angry.
To be fair the books are more POV: So the highly autistic trauma experiencing mother isn't a reliable source
They asked her to choose, I'm sure she didn't know why
But... didn't Daemon say "blonde kid, one eye"? He described who he wanted them to kill but I think they ignored it lol
They asked "what if we can't find him" then it cuts to the next scene.
@@renshii422 Yeah, I felt like that it Daemon telling them "a son for a son". Blood even repeated that phrase even though we didn't hear Daemon actually saying it
So this is just my take, and I would never claim to be better than Ryan, but this is the changes I would have made to the Blood and Cheese scene with my five years of film school experience:
1. Helena needs to be more emotional, falling to her knees begging, crying, etc.
2. Have it so Helena points at Jaeherya instead of Jaeherys. But Blood and Cheese pull the switcheroo and kill the other child instead. So that way the elements of picking in the other child from the book remains.
3. Have the camera do a closeup shot on Helena's face while we hear the sounds of Jaeherys screaming and being killed.
4. Cut to Alicent and Criston in bed, and their lovemaking is interrupted by a bloodcurdling scream from Helena.
5. Cut again to Alicent and Criston rushing up to the door alongside other guards and throwing it open to find Helena rocking back and forth on her knees screaming while holding Jaeherya, drenched in blood
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6. Cut to Alicent's horrified face, let it linger for a few seconds while Helena keeps screaming and wailing, then cut to black.
Yeah, I've seen a few people talk about her screaming and breaking down etc., but I don't really think it fits for her character as it has been presented in the show.
My own response to shock is also just freezing and going non-verbal, so her just mumbling that "no" was infinitely more scary than any scream that could've been there, especially because it allows those sawing noises to cut through the silence even more.
Definitely think it's down to personal preference tho.
I wonder if my fellow book readers complaining that the blood and cheese sequence was disappointing or too tame realize how fking ghoulish they sound. Even worse it's under the pretense of some self appointed literary gatekeeping. Seriously, if they really need to see a small child in a snuff film they could probably find it elsewhere on the internet
@@marymclaughlin9009 The off-screen sawing sounds were absolutely fine. The fact your imagination can fill in what happened makes the scene gruesome enough
@mary Most who complain it about seem fine with the murder happening offscreen, it’s the removal of them sadistically torturing Helaena by having her choose between her two sons then killing the other while whispering to the survivor that his mom wanted him dead.
1) Heleina has a different character, she knew what would happen. 2) I would say why she did it, but that would be a spoiler 3) this is how we were shown Heleina’s face during the murder.
4) I would say that Alicent's room should have been locked so that Helaine would knock on the door screaming and Alicent would open the door with Coel in bed (Staying in the room with your daughter when your son's head is being cut sounds strange).
They should have kept the way the book showed the death of Heleanas child. We needed that brutal game of thrones back
Nah. Not really.
The choice of choosing between the two and doing the opposite, is the coldest thing that happens in the book. Book did it better for sure
There will be plenty of brutality. Yall just love to whine book this book that
@@jacobwatson8688 the fact that you think people wanted to see more brutality tells me you don’t understand there complaints
I’m gonna put it like this…… it’s not the beheading (personally I think it was way more gruesome FOR JAHAERYS in hotd because he got his head sawed off while still alive whereas in F&B blood did the deed with a single swing of his sword) it’s the fact that they took out alicent from that scene, the kids don’t even know what happening around them (in the books this moment changed the life of everyone involved EVEN THE CHILDREN) in hotd their both unconscious, maelor isn’t there, and alicent was off getting her freak on, for you to sum it up to “yOu GuYs JuSt WaNt MoRe BrUtAlLlTy🤓” is just being disingenuous about the actual criticism of a botched scene but then again I don’t expect anything less from people who think hotd is on par with GOT (not saying you think this but a large amount of audience think this and have zero critiques of hotd simply because “well it’s not GOT season 8 bad 🤷🏾♂️” )
@@youngveteran6368 I get what you're saying, but I do think it's a bit too soon to say how the characters will be affected by this - give the show some space to tell it's story, then make criticisms of it as a whole
Also I think it's a bit disingenuous to say that Jacob doesn't understand the complaints when the original comment simply said "we need more brutality" and didn't expand on that any further
Yall need to get off my boy Daemon and stop questioning his loyalty. Id he wanted to be King, he would be. He could have taken out his brother and occupied Kings Landing in a few short days if he wanted to. He could have crept in Rhaeneras bedroom and taken her, any time he wanted to. Daemon is loyal to his family. Viserys was not.
Your channel is so rare and unique can’t wait to see what’s next