Honest Review - House of The Dragon Season 2 Episode 1
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- čas přidán 17. 06. 2024
- So House of The Dragon really did have a perfect start for season 2 episode 1 in a lot of ways, but there is an asterisk to that statement. Fans who have read the source material are going to probably feel disappointed by the last 10 minutes of this episode or just downright confused about how they feel about it because it is presented so much differently than the source material, but this episode is so much more than that and I don’t think it is ruined by an ending that’s controversial to book fans - and we’re going to go over all of that. But first lets talk about the opening scene and go from there.
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What I liked about this episode is how Aegon is so kind to the small-folk; his only mistake is being a bit too giving. I expected him to just be a jackass, but even with whatever flaws and demons he has, he does seem to be genuinely trying to do right by his people.
I agree. I thought they were gonna make Aegon a proto-Joffrey but I'm glad they went a different route
@@truetory6231 He's more of a proto-Robert without the fighting prowess lol
@@orcbrand
Good call.
We didn’t want kid deletion, it’s the CHOICE that mattered. Choosing maelor just to lose jahearys is the WHOLE point in driving Heleana mad
Yes it’s a better story but losing a son the way the show portrayed it would drive you mad too
@@michaelshivone8346 would she though?
The way show runners made Helena gave up on her kid without putting up a fight is just hilarious lol
She was like, 'do you want my necklace, no ?
Alright look over there that's my son, do whatever the fuck you want with him I'm getting outta here, peace' 😂
@@shubhojitpal5490
Come to think of it, you're not wrong.
You’re right about one thing, would’ve been a huge shock if the last scene with Cole and Alicent was the first time we seen it.
I think the reason they made that decision is to show how comfortable they are in their affair. It started before the death of viserys not in the last 10 days since his death. Unlocked doors, unmanned posts...they been phucking for yearsssssss
Good point
I like it better that we already knew they were sleeping together and were more shocked by the fact Haelana walked in on it.
@@deldel5204 I mean, what’s the difference? Would’ve been shocking for us to have seen it.
A lot of people don’t realise that George Martin wrote this book in the style of a historical document , and what we see on tv is what actually happened . It’s a fascinating approach .
That's not true. There are changes that aren't possible even with biased retelling and grrm has already said that the show is an alternate universe not what really happened
That is actually not true. In fact right before season 2 aired GRRM wrote a post on his official blog about how screenwriters are arrogant and think they can do a better job than the actual author. He doesn't seem too happy with season 2.
@@danika9411
Too bad he's spending time whinging about the series rather than finishing WoW.
cheese walks through the castle and the keep throughout the entire episode if you look closely, you can spot him like 4-5 times. hes part of the staff so there was no reason for anyone to stop him when he walks passed aegon in the throne room
The crown is at war and under imminent threat but yeah i guess let the rat catcher hang out at all times (with very fake prop traps) because rats are nasty and spread disease that we never seem to hear about. This show has too many things happening for any coherency, continuity, or logic.
@@PointlessRhetoric No spoilers ahead.
In the book it makes more sense. The red keep has a fortress in the middle: Maegors Holdfast. The fortress only has one entrance. There is a myth about the tunnels going into Maegors holdfast, but they were never found. So Blood and Cheese can't get in. They know the tunnels to the tower of the hand though. Alicent moved there and gave Helaena the queens chambers.
They go through the tunnels which end at Alicents room, gag Alicent and wait for Helaena. Helaena brings her children over every night to say good night. They studied their routines. After the beheading the went straight back into the tunnels. They never openly walked through the castle. The only place they were in was Alicents room.
By changing how the red keep looks like, they created a plothole.
Though in the book they never went for Aemond. It was always Jaehaerys. I think they couldn't do that in the show, it's too brutal in the book and paints the blacks in a bad light.
@@danika9411 Very well explained. its just too bad no one involved in the writing of the show had desire to summarize and format an actual plot instead just played up the oh so intriguing alicent/CC affair and aegon and his minions bafoonery.
I wasn't bothered by the change to the Blood and Cheese scene itself (other than the odd psychic communion between Cheese and Helaena). I just think now in retrospect it was kind of a mistake in Season 1 to establish that Daemon knows about Maegor's secret passages. It kind of made it weird that he was paying a rat catcher to do something he already knew how to do. He literally knows a passage that goes right into one of the Royal apartments (I think that's Alicent's room now and was previously Rhaenyra's). I get that he himself doesn't want to risk being caught, but still it's kind of weird to me.
But daemon had not been there in years and doesn't know who is staying in which room. His knowledge that the passages exist was enough for him to hire folks to get in
I thought it was really poetic and tragic that the only person listening to Haelana and seeing her is the one about to murder her son.
Yeah but daemon was not the one going in. He had to find someone who knew their way around
One more thing: I was so much more chill with all the violence stuff of GoT in my 20s, but now I'm 35 and have daughter... All the child-related death and gore stuff is really my only complaint with the show so far... Daddy has gotten soft.
None of that last scene made sense. There were always guards outside the royal families chambers but in the scene there were none to be found.
It made no sense for them to mistake which person they were after. It was the kings brother not son, there could be no mistaking the two. It just seemed sloppy.
What was the kings brother not his son?
It also makes me worry about what other changes they may botch in the future
Hopefully they make a ton. Fire & Blood is not a compelling novel and it’s not trying to be. People have a lot of head canon that totally ignores the context of Fire & Blood. Blood & Cheese was just fine in the show.
@@actuality899 Agree completely.
I’m glad they fleshed out the character of Helena since she wasn’t really important in the books. In the show, she’s a dreamer or a seer of sort, and she had foreseen what was going to happen. So it makes sense when she pointed out the right child. I believe that’s one of the reasons they had to change the scene where Cheese made her choose.
Thanks for your review.
Aegon 2 seems to want to rule fairly. He seems to respect the common people. Otto not at all. How much will he change after his child is murdered?
The big speculation during the off season was when and how the blood and cheese scene would happen. Hearing and watching it through the mothers eyes was enough.
This is someone else comment from another post. It describes the scene really well
" Love the scene when her other son comes to report that he got the support of the other kingdoms while fighting back tears......and the queen became mother and embraced her child and grieved with him. Brilliant. "
Emma Darcy nailed this episode with just one line.
It's like the season 1 ep 3. When Daemond leads the final battle against the Crabfeeder. He has one line in the opening scene. Then the rest of his scenes are factual expressions and action. Great stuff then and off to a good start here.
They both say so such with little words and much demeanor.
As a Father, and an avid book fan... I'm so happy they didn't do a copy paste version of Blood and Cheese. And I kinda question anyone who wanted to see that level of brutality..
The book version is tough to read.. I did not need to see it played out on camera.
Helaena's reaction is what ruined the scene for me. In the book she offers herself to spare her kids. In the show she's like, "my necklace is worth a lot." & then she almost immediately points out Jahaerys when they ask her to choose lol... btw i don't think anyone's asking to see a child get killed, the sounds they used in the show r more than enough.
I agree. I thought that Helaena's reaction was underwhelming in that scene. Not sure if that's due to bad directing or bad acting (or both), but she didn't seem horrified enough, even when she went into Alicent's room afterward.
While i understand not fully adapting blood and cheese, i stopped reading fire and blood when i read blood and cheese cause i didn’t want spoilers for the show cause it was THAT GOOD.
Jace is trying to stay strong enough lmao
The last scene was disturbing enough so i dont care if they changed it up. I will not watch it again because it bothered me that much!
Good analysis! They slowed things down and showed emotion which made the episode compelling.
The comparison of Blood & Cheese to the Red Wedding I’ve been hearing seems silly like you said. It wasn’t meant to have the same impact as characters we had years to grow close to and altered the course of the show. What may have been missing was the impact of Helaena as an important dragon rider and how this impacts the war effort
Blood & cheese felt muted & weird. Helana is left to carry the scene when Alicent really should’ve been present & it takes a great deal of the cruelty out of it to make the assassins pov for no real good reason. And this choice feels like it was done in service of the dumb writing choice of Alicent & Cole affair.
It's not that it's different, it's that it's not as good. Much of what they did with HotD was better than the book, this was a major event that they came up short with
I dont know why people are hating on the Blood and Cheese scene. For one, no one would have really known what happened, except people who didnt survive to discuss it, or went mad because of it. Secondly, I'm happy they tones it down. I really didnt want to see something as visceral as the book version. That would have definitely struck a nerve. It's bad enough as it is. Kid deletion is not something I look forward to.
Both Alicent and Jaehara witnessed it.
I don't hate the scene, it wasn't so bad that it ruined the season, but it could have been more impactful had they added elements from the books.
It’s not an excuse for Cutting Maelor 🤷🏻♂️
@@kenshjnpark_art Jaehaerys was the one being cut :D
@kenshjnpark_art I don't mind cutting maelor only bc Aegon now has the same decision to make that viserys had when he chose rhaenyra to succeed him: his brotheror his daughter. It's so poetic. Also, the histories have proven to be unreliable accounts 🤷🏽♀️
@@SennaHawx i mean cutting him from the story. Seem likely Maelor doesn’t exist in the show 🤷🏻♂️
Why were there no guards outside of the queens chamber ?
Just don’t ask questions like most of this braindead fandom
Because she was in bed with the guard who’d normally be there
@@s.h.7613 oh yea duh cole was supposed to be the guard. Thanks
I'm wondering why no guards protecting the Prince?
Plothole honestly. In the book Maegors holdfast is a fortress within the red keep and B&C actually can't get inside of it. As soon as the royal family is in it and the bridge is up, no one can enter or leave.
I think the relationship between Criston and Alicent should have been revealed by Helaena walking in on them and not how it was earlier in the show. That said, as a fan of the book I'm actually okay with how Blood and Cheese was handled. From my perspective, the book was written as a conjecture piece heavily bias towards the greens. Case and point, it would appear that the greens were the saviors of the realm when in reality they all *spoiler* die and the Black faction ends up on the throne. Having the Blood and Cheese scene somewhat muted from what was in the book makes it more realistic to what 'actually' happened (as far as that can be for a world of fiction) rather than a propaganda piece for the Greens.
I do think it’s jarring how people will more or less complain about the books and shows not aligning more and it’s silly. We’re seeing the actual events that’s the point of the show. I’m excited for the next episode because there’s a reason so many details got switched in historical texts. Aemond didn’t come back saddened or distraught that he accidentally killed Luke. He probably went back and told them he meant to do it. Do you think Alicent and Cole are gonna just openly admit they were boning while a baby was getting decapitated. I wouldn’t be surprised if they switched the tellings to be a little more in line with what we were told to get the realm hates the blacks boner going
On your point regarding the Alicent/Cole scene at the end: I think I'd have written it the same way as the show's writers and established their affair sooner rather than at the end. The reason for that is mainly that
a) it's not such a huge surprise and I think non-book readers already expected this after the events of S1
b) it would have been too distracting to have that surprise in the middle of the horrific scene at the end and would have kind of cheapened the impact of that
It does still serve a purpose though: not only does the Queen (forget her name) now also know about the affair, but the viewers know that (obviously) it "happen again", even though Alicent ruled that out before.
it's understandable why Alicent is doing Criston, look at how her life has been since she was a teen, forced to marry a much older man, forced to make heirs while doing her duty, making sacrifices...
but now becuase she's slowly losing her power over Aegon, she's latching on to Cole for control but at the same time fulfilling her needs and certain desires that she never fulfilled unlike Rhaenrya but again it makes her feel shameful, and sinful... yes she is being hypocritical but she's definitely not without her own complexities. I actually prefer Show Alicent to book Alicent just because of the route they are going with the character and the fact that Olivia Cooke's performance is so good to watch.
The scenes of Daemon contracting Assassins was not needed. All the Blood and Cheese scene needed was for the Rat Catcher to be popular in the Castle and have access to every corner of the castle. Also he should be a faceless man hired to kill Aegon's son. Who hired the faceless men would be a mystery for the audience to speculate on but it wouldn't be the suspects. in the book but rather a third party who is interested in seeing the dragons kill each other. Maids would be killed as well as guards. Then the Choice as written but instead a son, it will be for her to choose a child to be killed. She will pick the daughter to be killed.
Then as part of the mission, the fall guy will pin the assassination on the Blacks. Chaos is a ladder. Unfortunately, HOTD will never get out from the shadow of GOT. They reallyscrewed the most important scene of the series. In the first season we thought the other son was in High Towerss, turns out the writers lack awareness of what they are adapting.
The blood and cheese part was fine , so it cuts out as she said they killed the boy we haven’t actually seen her full reaction yet so next week I expect to see everyone’s reactions from green to black my only gripe with the whole series is the fact that king V when got sick enough to be bed ridden and waiting he last days out he knew the greens were like they were which and he felt that his only legit child was is only daughter and heir he could have quite easily - transferred power to dragonstone untill she was safely in place and and then he should have talked to his kids with alicent or made it to where they basically had everything, had most of them lived normal lives it coulda have been a great second age of dragons , yeah you can say that he left her with some
Great allies but yeah perhaps even in the books the he could have gotten the right ppl
With does include Damon around her and perhaps that’s the only reason he ffi figured well if they mess with her Damon will - and all said and done he’s does allot for his family haha - sorry for my rant lol 😂
Team Green, I still find this episode good for the most part but their are issues i have with it mostly for the last 5 minutes.. Everything with the blacks was very predictable while everything with the greens was intriguing. Daemon orchestrated blood and cheese and this will significantly weaken rhaenyra claim to the throne and killing a toddler means now their r no lines left. Looking forward to ur future videos.
Greencels will justify everythig the greens do while pretending Rhaenyra started this and Blood & Cheese is her fault.
"Everything with the blacks was very predictable? What do you mean by that?
* Edit: wrote comment before watching and I mostly agree.
I'm not sure it was that book readers have some bloodlust or want to see children graphically hurt. It could've been done to convey more of the horror without being any more graphic than it was. She isn't characterized as autistic at all in the book and I like this change, I also really like them leaning into the dreamer aspect. I was still underwhelmed, it was a bit weird, rushed, no one was there and I guess we're to understand that she knew on some level it was going to happen. I guess they'll use the necklace again shortly, which is fine. It still just wasn't as impactful.
I didn't feel the payoff with the hypocrisy that was danced around by A&C last season because they took us and shoved us up under her dress a bit too quickly. If they had saved this for their relations in Rhaenyra's room/bed (with Criston failing in his much vaunted and endlessly long suffering weight of duty that he pretended to cherish to protect the children) it could've been the huge reveal, giving impact to blood and cheese that was missing- but we already knew. It was already heartbreaking for Helaena to have to see it after and we should have been shown what was really going on at the same time.
Great narrative!
I too expected more in the Blood and Cheese scene, but ultimately I was relieved the show chose to tone down the violence.
As someone who read F&B, I was anxious to see how the show runners were going to depict one of the most graphic events in the whole book. But I’m fine with what they decided on. And I think it’s weird there are people who are pissed that they didn’t get a more violent scene, as if the scene wasn’t already violent and traumatic enough, watching a young mother have to choose which of her children gets murdered then running for her life with her remaining child.
I don’t think it’s weird, I think people were just expecting something more brutal, it’s not that they want to see it and honestly they wouldn’t even need to directly show the boy being k*lled, also I’ve heard others say Alicent is supposed to be there tied up to witness it, which would’ve helped the scene I believe.
I feel the scene in the show felt more realistic and honest: the way Blood, Cheese and Helaena reacted was very human. Blood and Cheese were clumsy and nervous, and Helaena was clearly in shock. The music, the room filled with darkness and the sound of the beheading delivered that pure terror and brutality of the event.
Can somebody with more knowledge help me out here. I’m not sure if my understanding is correct, the story in the books is somebodies account of all this, so does that mean this show is supposed to be what actually happened?
Bro... Come on... I was getting distracted around my house cuz it was so anticlimatic.. hope the 2nd is better..
I couldn’t agree more
After what D&D did to GoT, not gonna whinge about a little fan service.
The opening scene was badass and the entire episode was the most Thronesian of the series so far imo.
Hoping we get some good battle action via Cregan's seasoned Grey Beards, and possibly at least one new character from amongst the 2000 warriors.
The North Remembers ⚔️
Ive noticed youtube doesnt have the clips like it did last year. Im poor n cant afford hbo lol.
It’s was good first episode 8/10 just blood and cheese scene felt like they keep it pg13 I get it really gruesome scene in the books
What if alicient being present during blood and cheese was a lie to cover up the cole affair
Maybe we see it next epoisode
THIS IS ONLY AN 8 EPISODE SEASON!??
A show that ruins the most important scene of the series, has nothing else to offer that is better than the top 20 GOT scenes. The dialogs in HOTD are poor, scenes that should be longer are super shot and witless. Where is the dialogue between Otto and Harwin? The scene between Cristen and Aemon was okay but cut short. The rest of the time was wasted on a terrible Blood and Cheese Scenes, The Rat Catcher already had access to every corner of the bloody palace, just skip all the wack details of how they were contracted and leave that to the audience to speculate on.
I have never ever seen a movie that was based on a book that went word for word out of the book, or even seen at the scene of a book. So anyone who’s read the book that goes to a movie expecting it to be exactly the same he’s naïve. That’s just does not happen. That is not how it works, so I never expect a movie to be exactly the same as the book I’ve read. For me I love seeing what I’ve already read or the majority of what I’ve already read it’s just a different way she received the book or the story. It’s like when I go from reading a book having someone audio read a book to me it’s just another way with sensory to receive the same information or close to the same information from the story. If you don’t like the fact that it doesn’t go scene first scene, don’t watch it but the rest of us love it. Those of us that really got into Game of Thrones and we’re feeling empty because we didn’t have it to watch anymore. This feels that as real the other stories that come out. And that is what the actors and the directors and the production and everybody hope is going to happen is that we are filling a void that was left wing Game of Thrones ended.
B&C wasn't "ruined". It's the vocal minority of purists who spent 2 years desperately trying to shape perception & sabotaging a good show for not making their sports team come off as flawless heroes & the other team as irredeemable disney villains. Yet to see a single casual reactor who was not moved. Without the book baggage this would be considered brilliant. Like Daemon mentions how Aemond is a great fighter & smirks when asked what happens if they can't find Aemond. It was obv he knew it was an impossible mission. It seems like a lot of fans can't even catch a simple subtext unless it's dumbed down & bluntly spoonfed. Some of the best parts of this ep were the political intrigue, underscoring logistics of war, the economics of blockade. Everyone paranoid & trying to sway the king. Otto & Alicent on one side but not quite together as Alicent keeps being undermined by the men in her life. Larys on the other side. Aemond & Criston on another side. These subtle political machinations are things D&D can't even dream of doing. The "farewell to peace" parallel with Rhaenyra at the funeral & Alicent at the Sept was another poignant moment.
As for B&C, HOTD just plays these moments differently to GOT. Less about shock, more about creeping unease. Part of watching GoT was about watching other people reacting in horror, surprise, etc. With HOTD I don't feel the pull to watch people shouting at the screen because it would only feel forced. HOTD had so many moments in S1 where it could have gone for a sharp stab a la GoT but instead made sure to play things out slowly. It's less interested in displays of brutality & more interested in the impact on the bigger picture. GoT (& Breaking Bad) was about dramatic moments. Hotd (& Better Call Saul) is more about everything around those moments & plays them out in a way that feels slower, less brutal & more bleak & dread. GoT had so many moments where it stabbed, even if you saw the knife coming. HOTD is more interested in digging its nails & slowly pulling a wound open.
All these "bring back D&D" posts just makes me know that a lot of so-called purists didn't hate GoT's cheap, gawdy, shock value spectacle writing, what they hated was their self-insert (Dany, Jon or Stannis) not sitting the throne. I LOVED the restraint on B&C. This was peak bleak, dread soaked gothic horror. The creeping horror of the haunting soundtrack with the cutting & sawing noises. The "emotional impact" the MCU brain wanted was heavy-handed head chopping gratuitous violence. But unsettling silent terror will always be more disturbing than gory theatrics & bright Bridgerton colors that some fans complain about! The book's B&C is an overly sadistic creative writing exercise of cartoon villains (makes sense considering it's made by fictional 'historians'). The extended psychological torment of Helaena strains credibility as B&C had no personal vendetta against her & were risking their own skin playing games in the Red Keep during a war. The show exchanges gore for dread, presents it as a straightforward hit, with the grim realism underscoring the urgency & perilous stakes B&C was in. The banality of evil instead of a Machiavellian plot makes it scarier.
It's easy to write a woman screaming & throwing up. But the brutally real pain, terror & despair Phia managed using only her eyes is more impactful. Helaena's freeze frame reaction was on point with her cassandra character & it was devastating. The total silence surrounding b&c & its aftermath made it even more jarring. Ofc Helaena called Jaehaerys “the boy”as she was traumatized & mimicking the speech of b&c. Her offering the necklace was brilliantly upsetting & endearing cause it shows she was too sheltered to realize what b&c wanted. But then you can pinpoint the exact moment when the switch goes off. It's like she has this moment of realization about what she prolly already foresaw. A look of quiet panic & resignation sets in. You can clearly see her dissociating. she didn't even realize that she got down the stairs. The first place her feet takes her is her mother's room for comfort. To wake her up from a nightmare which was alas too real.
People are stupid. They’re not going to show a child being decapitated. And while it was a brutal and horrific murder it was ONE murder, not dozens like in the Red Wedding. The comparison doesn’t exist
OK I get that those of us that read the book might not like the fact that they change the final scenes however, I had a hard enough time listening let alone have to listen to a rape scene or even think about it. I personally like the change in this scene.
Book readers are almost always disappointed. Always comparing then complaining. Most fans never read the books are simply enjoying it.
Show only fans definitely are having a superior experience
I was very disappointed with House of the Dragon Season 2, Episode 1. Although there were around half a dozen or so things that I absolutely loved, and I'd even go as far as to say were improvements.
I was a bit annoyed that Cregan said that the events of Silverwing not flying over the wall happening during the era of his father, whereas in the books this happening under the watch of his great-great-grandfather.
No Sara Snow, thus no Pact Of Ice & Fire, literally one of the most important plotlines in the entire lore. Also, no confirmation on whether Vermanx laid a dragon's egg in the Winterfell crypts or not. Whilst this is only loosely speculated in the books, having it confirmed in the show would be a very easy way of setting up a post-GOT Season 8 TV show, which surely must be the premise of all these spin-offs. Jace in The Vale and The North is literally an entire season's worth of story, all crammed into 10 minutes. Literally worse than anything from GOT Season 7 and 8 rushing through events. I guess they can refer back to the events through dialogue, or have Jace revisit The North.
If they're going to keep HOTD as an anthology show, and continue to tell the story past The Dance and through The Regency, they're going to need to establish a strong plot in The North, in order to keep the audience engaged, as I don't think the life and times of Aegon III is enough to keep non-book readers engaged.
Ok, so Blood & Cheese - This was SO MUCH better in the books. What we got on TV was like "Blood & Cheese Light".
Omitting Maelor Targaryen ruined all of the second son symbolism, jeopardises the entire Bitterbridge plot, and utterly dampens the impact of what happens to Jaehaerys. Also, whilst I appreciate that the showrunners have limited time, but more really could have been done to endear the audience to Jaehaerys over Season 1.
Having a genuine emotional connection to the character would have made what happened to him so much more impactful.
All in all, I'd rate this episode 6.5/10, which is one of the lowest for me personally.
Still, there was A LOT that I absolutely adored about the episode and I'm going into the next episode excited and with an open mind, even though I feel like they missed an open goal for something extremely special here.
I swear down, if they change the scene with Stormcloud escaping The Triarchy in The Gullet.....
Sara snow was never confirmed in the books. Just the ramblings of a fool.
Those babies in the show are too young for such a scene so I’d advise you to bring your hopes down, and the sack of tumbleton 1,2 don’t get your hopes too high for those either
@@youngveteran6368 next you’re going to tell me we won’t see Maelor ripped limb from limb!
Great? No. It is a 7 at beast it was safe and just kinda boring.
Maybe blood and cheese wasn’t the best adaptation but it’s honestly not that bad. People are getting way too comfortable criticising good shows. Honestly dare I say it… people need to rewatch GOT season 7/8. If they want something to truly complain about then watch that.
After the episode all the negativity drove me away from most CZcams reviews. Like calm down it’s honestly not worth the criticism.
Rage bait is good for a short burst of fan interaction but after a while people get bored of the constant negativity and depressive vids.
I just find it confusing that anyone can be a book purest for Fire & Blood. It’s really not that kind of book.
@@DCharlesfacts. Grrm said history is written by biased ppl. That is the entire point of the differences between the show and a textbook written years after everyone who experienced it was dead
People like you is the reason hotd writers feels comfortable churning out inconsistent plots one after the other , need I remind everyone that the faceless men assassination attempt on Arya where she suffered irreparable internal bleeding and then she dives in a sewer canal with open wounds mind you and she just walks it off, THAT WASNT SEASON 7/8 but it was still horrible (btw the faceless men don’t just walk up on you broad daylight and just shanks you so idk wtf that was)
The Sansa r@pe wasn’t in season 7/8 but that was also a dumb ass change!!!!!!!
The faceless men “magic” where if you put on someone face you become there height, you get there build, you can have on multiple faces at once, you can create faces of people who aren’t dead (which why would you need to collect dead faces when you can just make the faces of people alive??) WASNT IN GoT season 7/8 but was still horrible
Jaime not telling Tyrion that his wife actually loved him and his father made him say that she was a whore and Tyrion swearing vengeance on his brother, and this sets him down a dark path in the books as opposed to GoT Tyrion who only becomes drunk and incompetent WASNT IN season 7/8
Sansa not telling Jon that she has an army at her disposal that where already on the march towards them (how tf else would they have just popped up at the end of the battle to turn the tides in favor of the starks) wasn’t in season 7/8 and is still dumb
This idea that hotd isn’t as bad as GoT season 7/8 so “idk why y’all criticizing it” and I’ll admit yea it’s miles better than most shows being put out now but that doesn’t mean you can’t criticize something you love, because it started with the same “small” changes in GoT then it imploded on it self. Do I think hotd is that NO but the inconsistency in the story is mind boggling at times and if that means your wrong for calling it out then the truth is it’s really the fandom that made D&D feel as comfortable as they did to desecrate the source material in the first place
They butchered Alicent's character.
Elaborate if you could
Yeah making her a Cersei/Arianne Martell-like
@@DCharles She is supposed to be this pious,wise woman. Who is all about tradition, duty and honour. They reduced her into a nymphomaniac.
@@siphophiri3327lol if your talking about what I think your talking about it's understandable why Alicent is doing Criston, look at how her life has been since she was a teen, forced to marry a much older man, forced to make heirs while doing her duty, making sacrifices...
but now becuase she's slowly losing her power over Aegon, she's latching on to Cole for control but at the same time fulfilling her needs and certain desires that she never fulfilled unlike Rhaenrya but again it makes her feel shameful, and sinful... yes she is being hypocritical but she's definitely not without her own complexities. I actually prefer Show Alicent to book Alicent just because of the route they are going with the character and the fact that Olivia Cooke's performance is so good to watch.
@@siphophiri3327 No, I think they've done a good job at making her character psychologically complex (as was Cersei in Game of Thrones). I don't think it's so much that Alicent is reduced to being a nymphomaniac but more that it is showing that she is -- or can be -- a hypocrite at times and is often torn between what she thinks is right or wrong and that the line between right and wrong is not always clear. Also that she is as human as anyone else when it comes down to it. She uses Cole to please herself and to ensure that he is on her side and she uses the guy with the club foot to get information and in return is willing to "feed" his foot fetish. I think Alicent's character is one of the best on the show in that she is a complex character and seems to be becoming increasingly manipulative. It is not always clear if she is "good" or "bad."
OMG!!! I JUST realized Emma only had the one line til rn!!! Bc dude she said SO much thru them/they emotional rollercoaster!! ( Trying to be as respectful AF to their pronouns)
The "book-fans" don't understand the book, and it's so annoying. They think that the book is facts. It is not. Within the universe the book is a retelling of the history of the Targaryens with a narrorator living 170 years after the Dance of Dragons, based on unrelliable sources with their own agendas - some just want to tell an intressting story, some are politicly motivated. Within the universe the book is at best a piece of pro-Targaryen propaganda. It's not in the book because it is true, but because it makes for a better story. Sure, some parts must have happened to some extent, but most likely not how it's being told. It is extremly meta, but it flies over the head of the fans because they are not used to reading a piece of medival history from the medival period.
Taking the choice away from heleana was a terrible decision however you want to put it. It was changed because maelor wasn’t introduced yet and it was too much for even hbo. Not because “that’s what really happened” budget and time constraints are a major thing with books-movies/show’s adaptations
We dont want 100% book accuracy. I've never seen a book fan complaining about the changes they didbto Viserys character. We like improvements.
The running problem of the show is that they take choice and responsability away from characters to artificially make the morality "more gray" instead of making the character or the situation more complex.
For the blood and cheese scene in particular it also doesnt make much sense : going for Aemond (bc it is more morally acceptable for Rhaenyra to ask for his death) and just wonder around the red keep without encountering a guard...
There are things in the book that cannot be changed. It's you who doesn't understand history. Certain events have 1st and secondary sources making them extremely likely to have occurred as is.
Seriously, that show has gotten so good, that I'm kind of sad we don't have "real" books written by Martin as the source material. The 'maesters account' reads like a summary without providing much insight into the characters. HotD is now about as strong as GoT in it's early seasons. And Aegon and Aemond have developed from really annoying brats to, well... I mean both are assholes, but soooo entertaining to watch. Aegon is kind of a refreshing spin on Geoffry as yet another incompetent and misfit boy-king. But where Geoffrey was just a manic saddist, Aegon has something funny to him. Aemond just takes every scene he's in, he's frightening in a good way. Seriously, if that guy would enter my subway car, I'd get out there immediately. Even wihtout the eyepatch.
A book accurate Blood and Cheese scene would have involved a couple of toddlers crying and screaming in sheer terror as one of them is behead. The production team was never going to even try for the show. The scene still got the point across.
The point is the book is inaccurate in the first place
If you want the book scenes you need your hard drive checked
you tend to have an unbiased take on hotd. i havent heard your critique yet but the up down is 234-5 at the moment. im guessing it was a mostly positive review.....okay 30 seconds in.. its book snob time. ugh. 1 minue in your slobing on the lore. Is objectivity not a thing anymore?.. I''ll be honest i didnt read this book. I knew immediately is was masturbatory. i listened to the audible cut and that was not the best. I was bored. this is a boring pointless story. I like this type of media but damn what a fall from grace. Theres nowhere to go with this story. Its flacid and predictable. The acting and directing isnt even good. just be honest.
“Slobing” on lore? Book snob? There’s nowhere to go with this story that you concede you’re not familiar with?
What is it that you liked about ASOIAF? GRRM repeats many of these themes in Fire & Blood, but these storylines are documented events with little character development or elaboration on the events other than unreliable witnesses testimony. I’m not clear on what you’re trying to say in the first half of this comment, but for the second half you’re making some general statements that could use some examples or elaboration.
@@DCharles Fair enough, my bad. Since you took the time to consider and respond, I'll elaborate but I doubt it will have any impact at all. I'm not an avid reader but I do consume a lot of fictional entertainment in general. I didn't immediately like Got or Hotd when i first saw the TV show.
But in the sake of brevity and skipping the bullshit, I had high hopes for this season because during the stupidly long wait I tried to catch up on the lore.
So far the show is looking rough.Its bad acting and weird disjointed storytelling, probably because it really shouldnt have been adapted to TV in the first place.
I’m so tired of seeing that the episode is soooo “controversial” it’s not! It’s a fucking show dude a great show
People disagree about this episode. What do you think “controversial” means?
I honestly prefer the Shows Blood and Cheese scene.
It's less traumatizing🥲
While i understand not fully adapting blood and cheese, i stopped reading fire and blood when i read blood and cheese cause i didn’t want spoilers for the show cause it was THAT GOOD.