(484) Picking Impossible to Tension Tubular Locks - New Tool
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- čas přidán 5. 10. 2018
- These locks have been annoying me for ages - it’s easy enough to pick them one position, but after that? Impossible! So I got to thinking and created a new tool. More videos on this to come! Enjoy! :-)
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These locks have been annoying me for ages - it’s easy enough to pick them one position, but after that? Impossible! So I got to thinking and created a new tool. More videos on this to come! Enjoy! :-)
How about using a metal rule to make a tubular tension wrench from? Its certainly thick enough but would it be strong enough? If so you could make a few with one rule.
Great idea so much creativity
Hey if it helps it works. Nice handy work
🤣 necessity is the mother of inventions
Chamfer over the ball bearing they are a niusunce picking them 7timesbest us a puk tubular lock kit
I feel another Locknoob/Sparrows co-production coming on. Great tool!
Lol. Hey, you never know! :-)
It happened, luckily they didn’t put some ridiculous kiddy logo / theme to it. (Their logo is cool, on the verge on professional / hobby) ....the Medusa, #13 stamp in coffin keys, king/Queen picks, etc. it’s a deterrent for me.
I did buy the goat/mantis though
Call it the submarine and call it a day. Good job on the prototype!
Thanks :-)
Really nice little prototype, which I hope sparrows uses and gives you the credit for.
Thanks :-) I’d like that
@@LockNoob a deserving tool indeed
Well done!
Just shows that when you understand the concept of the lock it's possible to find a way round the problems it creates for lock pickers.
Thank you :-)
brilliant design and execution to proof of concept.
Thank you :-)
This is right up there with the Medusa. Absolutely brilliant.
Thank you! Nice of you to say :-)
Hi Master !!!
On your channel often find answers to most questions or useful information.
Thank you for this opportunity !!!
Success !!!
Lock Noob. You are a creative genius and should be getting patents on all of your creations. I hate seeing someone make incredible things but end up not getting the credit they deserve when their creations go mainstream. Well done as usual.
Thank you :-)
Fantastic my friend another perfectly designed tensioner. Great video, I’m looking forward to seeing the on the Sparrows shop, definitely a must have. Have a great weekend
Lol, well I guess you never know? :-)
Another excellent example of your problem solving ability. Someones going to make a commercial version of this without a doubt.
Tipene Nga Puhi hey, well you never know my friend :-)
Just bought this lock a couple days ago and did not know how to open it. Now, I know and thanks, LockNoob, and for the great tool as well.
Thanks 🙏
Awesome work, congratulations on getting the design right, and very nice tool you ended up with 😊
Thanks 🙏
And I bet it will work just fine in normal tubular locks to, I definitely have to make one for my toolkit. Thanks for the idea!
It may not work in a standard tubular lock, but there are plenty of other tools that do :-)
An excellent idea very well executed with handy materials. Much like when Sparrows adopted your custom pin designs they would do well to help fill out this space in the market for tubular lock tools and make a set of these (like their flat-bar top of keyway tensioners address that market) and give you proper attribution for your efforts and hopefully some kind of kickback.
I think it would be a useful tool for people too :-)
Great idea to make your own tools. I have been using my own tools for a while too. And I never thought of making a different mantis tool. That was phenomenal!!!
Thank you my friend :-)
Of all the videos I have watched I've wondered why no one ever picks these locks until now! Great job as always Lock 🔒 not so Noob!
Thanks 🙏
@@LockNoobI have looked through many videos and have never seen or found any videos on vehicle ignition locks. I used to be emergency services AAA. Actually rated #1 in my state until I had an accident and froze to death for almost a half hour. Short story I lost both my legs among other things and I'm still recovering but laying in bed all day I find your videos interesting and fun. So are. Vehicle locks like a regular door lock 🔒? 🤔
Genius idea and very well executed. Will try to make one myself it such a lock should cross my way.
One will, I’m certain of it ;-)
Finally! I have been looking for a good tension tool for tubular locks for quite sometime. I am not completely thrilled with the Sparrows Mantis but your idea looks like a very useful tool.
Thank you :-)
That works great, what a fantastic idea, simple and well designed. I have some blanks that I may have a go doing this to. Thank you
Thanks, good luck :-)
I need to get on your level with my Dremel. Nice fabrication.
Thank you :-)
Very good information...I have the mantis and it is difficult to get tension with such a small leveraging handle. I'll definitely pick one of these combs up while we wait on your concept to be sold. 😃
The mantis is fine, but yes, it’s a little short. Jumping the gun on the sale of the concept a little there lol :-)
I agree, the mantis does not work!
@@LockNoob just faith in your concepts.
Bravo Sir! Great job well done. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks :-)
Just ordered the VORAX!!! Excited to get the tubular wrench
Cool!
Brilliant video. Always learning.. thank you
Thank you :-)
great thought and idea, Sparrows and china pick CO. will soon copy that.
Ooooh, China pick CO! My favourite :-)
Awesome prototype Ash my friend hope sparrows picks it up I come across this and a lot of tubular locks so very useful👍😊👍😊😎✌
This time, I think it would be a genuinely useful tool for professionals and hobbies to alike :-)
Cracking video buddy and great tensioners.
Thanks Waddac2 :-)
I can't believe I stumbled across this video! As usual excellent tutorial done by Lock Noob. I actually have the dual tool .. normal on one side longer on other. NOW I have a clue on how to use it. Hardest part seems to be putting it back to normal.
Glad you found it!
Looks like a great pick!!!
Thank you :-)
Well done! I'm behind on vids but CONGRATULATIONS!!
Lol, no pressure dude :-)
Brilliant! I would like to see sparrows update their comb pick tensioners to a version 2.0. The current tubular tension tool on one, your tool on another and a smaller version of the original on a third for 7.5mm locks. Impressive creativity to solve a tensioning delimma.
Thank you :-)
Your tool looks like a nice professional job. Things are worse if the lock is tensioned by the pins.
Thank you :-)
On most tubulars, the outer stump (the one one your cool custom tension tool) is there for key retention, it does not drive the lock at all. Your tensioner is mimicking how the key works in that the driving of the lock is done by pressure on the pin stacks themselves.
As another example, I have some tubular locks and picks that have no stump, not on the outside or the inside but still work fine.
Interesting. I guess they tension litterally on the pins... not very easy to locate properly though I imagine :-)
Exactly. The key won't work unless it is lined up right but it can be a pain sometimes.
huxleypig69 I’d imagine they are pretty old locks not to have a locating feature? Very interesting at any rate :-)
No, these are all brand new, field-rekeyable high sec tubulars. I had some to trade at Lockcon...maybe next time :-)
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Oh wow! Now that’s a thing isn’t it! I wonder if my tool could still pick this by tensioning against the fist pin at 1 o’clock. Not ideal, but plausible? :-)
Nice work as per buddy😉
Thank you :-)
Great work buddy!
Thank you :-)
Great idea. I hope Sparrows picks it up.
Mostly a lock sport tool of course, because the pros use the impressioning tools so they can make keys. and crooks use destructive measures on these things.
R. Akers actually, the impressioning tools don’t work on all locks, especially those with security pins and with non-standard sizing. Peterson will have a super expensive ($$$) tool out soon that will work on a lot of Tubular Locks, but it’s expensive even for professionals. A tool like this might open these locks up to more locksmiths and locksporters :-)
Good point. Picking is still reliable, if time consuming.
The tubular padlocks have to be picked 6 or 7 times. Fun for us, but expensive for a pro. Out come the die grinders!
R. Akers for a lot of cases, drilling or grinding a lock is as you say, a locksmiths best choice. These types of lock are used on bollards, cabinets and all sorts where a little finesse and a non destructive approach may be required. The most number of positions I’ve ever needed to pick on a tubular Lock is 4 and mostly 2 or 3 for a 1/4 to 1/2 turn. After the first pick, you reduce the pins by 1 also making this relatively quick in my experience :-)
another excellent point.
I once spent a good 2 hours picking a simple wafer lock (years ago) on a glass front gun cabinet due to a lost key, and an imminent shooting event.
A brick would have been easier, but ah, that antique beveled glass...
the 7 pick tube lock was on an old gear drive puck lock, which required a complete turn to open the bolt. I just tried an old American tubular ... 4 picks.
Right you are.
Best,
R
Great tool! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you :-)
Awesome idea buddy
Thank you :-)
Nicely done :)
Thank you :-)
A very cool tool LN mate :D. It really looks like a commercial tool and seem to work perfectly :). It wouldn't wonder me if we soon see more of it for sale 😄✌. Very awesome as always :). 👍😁👋🦊
Thanks Foxxy3 :-)
one of these would’ve been super handy today, I had to get into a safe with one of these tube locks and a standard hook pick can only tension one side 😅
I have just placed my order for the Goat Wrench along with some other goodies!
Again, congrats on the yet another successful collaboration!
I'm sure the Goat will stick around in my main kit for ever :)
..now I just need to find some tubular locks to buy and pick seeing how I don't have any... :')
Thanks friend :-) it’s fun coming up with these designs :-)
@@LockNoob I bet! I've been working on some things myself (mostly options for smaller EDC kits after trying things like the Southord/Mad Bob's Jackknife).
I'm trying out ways to improve upon the idea of micro kits like The Night Crawler and Mini Flats in my own way...
More comfort and better feedback in an innovative package :)
Really liking the looks of The Night Crawler though... (haven't picked that one up yet...sadly)
You could take the black stuff on the skelotized key and add some leads to the edges on both side for the reach.?
you make some neat tools.
Thank you :-)
Great way to use that metal handle & turn it into a tubular tension wrench.
Thank you :-)
Cool tool!
Thanks :-)
Nice now we can pick these, thanks for it i needed this
Thanks :-)
Thank you so much for the info!!!
Thank you :-)
Great video!
Thank you :-)
Very nice! I do hope that if Sparrows picks up the design that they put a dog ear tensioner on one end and some other type of pick at the other end other than a comb. I think they have combs pretty well covered in the existing set, so maybe something really unusual like a wafer lock jiggler or sonething...
I like the idea :-)
Great tool my friend, tensioning is the most difficult thing to make on these locks, I like your design, I will make something similar, thanks for showing ;o)))
Thanks for watching Tallan, I’m glad you like it. I’ll show off version 2 in a vid or two :-)
Cool! I´m very interested in this kind of tools, looking forward that vid buddy ;o))))
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Nice idea. I do something a little different using brass tubing.
Have you done a vid? :-)
Nah, when it comes to tools I usually just get an idea and go for it. Just think brass tube, a nobbly bit on the brass tube to allow the tube to lock into place, something else on the tube to let you rotate it and provide tension. A little bit of cutting, filing and brazing is all that is needed to do it. Just make the tool short so that you can be as close to the lock as possible. Stick it in the lock, apply tension, pick through the middle of the tube. :)
Pretty good, well done! I made similar one from stainless steel knife.
I’d love to see it :-)
@@LockNoob Sure, where do I send the pic?
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Hopefully sparrows is watching and gives you the credit.great idea buddy.😎
Thank you :-)
Some baton tubular cores for the ball bearing as part of a rekey function.
jwrm22 that sounds really cool. I’ll check that out :-)
Always great vidoes
Glad you like them!
Very nice!!
What tools do you use to grind and shape the tool?
Thank you!
chris capune my trusty rotary multitool from Banggood.com.i have used Dremel, but I’ve had 2 burn out on me. I must be too rough...
Love the info bro thanks
Thanks
Where can you find both of those Comb Locks? I can only find the one in a set on that site you linked and not the other one.
WOW again great job...........
Thanks :-)
I was actually thinking drill a key out to leave a very thin walled tube and remove the bottom section which links with the pins just leaving the nib,then install a small cross bar to help apply pressure whilst picking. You could then pick the pins from inside the husk of the remaining key.
That could definitely work :-)
And now of course it's for sale from Sparrows. I was a bit confused though as they don't really explain what the difference is between this and the Mantis, other than displaying the image... Glad I've found your origin-of video to explain just what it's for and how it works!
I'm assuming that the flag means this won't fit into other tubular locks though? (As it happens, I bought the set with the comb picks that you're using there; bloody useful!)
Both sides of the Goat wrench fit in the two main types :-)
@@LockNoob then I guess I'll have to snag one in my next order! :D
Very cool!!!
Thank you :-)
Wow! another working proof of concept. ...Question; do you ever get headaches from thinking up so many great ideas? (LOL) Nice work Sir, well done
Lol :-)
Have you tried a thick feeler cage to make a thicker one
How many times do you have to make a revolutionary product lock noob! Mass market them already!! Cool vid btw, I haven't ever come across that type tensioning with that lock! Good job!
Thank you :-)
I have one shipping to me already because I have a tubular lock I actually NEED to pick and the groove is so shallow and wide that no trick will work. And per usual the cheap impression tools dont work. I also have a mantis in the same order
Awesome 👏
Very informative ;) Thx
Thanks :-)
Was that a broken pickology pick at the start I've went through a full set almost
I snipped of the end of a broken key extractor I never used. Now I use this probe all the time :-)
I have one of these locks and I never did find a reliable way to tension it (although, admittedly, I am not talented enough to machine my own). I wonder though, could you take the key and cut all the cuts to or beyond max and use those cuts as a guide for your probe?
I think it’s possible, but the clearances would be a problem :-)
Hey how are you doing my friend
Quick question
Is a 8 pin Tubular lock pick 7.0mm a special kind of lock? Do they sell lock picks 8 pin size of 7.0mm? I’m pretty sure they can be picked but how about using the special tools they have for tubular locks?
Please get back to me if you can really much appreciate it!
Thanks Lock Noob
Thanks :-)
Lock Noob, Well thought out and executed, just a question ... does the nose of the lock turn as the inner ring turns? I have the tubular lock pick called the "Pickmaster" - no longer made, and it has a tiny "chuck" that by turning a small knob it grips the centre nose to tension - doesn't rely on the tiny notch to tension. I haven't got, nor tried one of these locks, without the tensioning notch, and was curious as to whether the "Pickmaster" would be up to the job. Regards, Brian.
P.S. Lock Noob, just googled "Pickmaster" and it shows the "new" version of the old tool. This doesn't have the chuck to tension the nose, just tensions like any other tubular pick. I guess this old tool was just too expensive to produce. I bought mine in the early '70's. The original "Pickmaster" would pick locks like Ace2 as you could individually increase the tension on the pick fingers with a tiny grub screw and mini nylon washer, to compensate for different spring tension. You couldn't do this with the standard tubular impressioning tool.
I’ve never heard of that tool, but reading your replies, it sounds incredible... I’ve got to go and find more info on this or st least a picture if there is one out there :-)
Lock Noob, LPL found some info. on the original tool, and posted it on one of his videos, he may be able to point you to this video. It was an answer to my post. The new version of the tool, using grub screws, can still apply individual tension to the pick fingers for different spring tension, but doesn't have the "chuck". The chuck was a very tiny 3 jaw system. The chuck was opened by a tiny knob on top of the tool. You placed the chuck over the lock nose and tightened. The nose and tool became as one. By tensioning and pulling out on the tool, it opened ever so slightly the shearline. The tool operated by tension, and an "in and out" motion. After the lock picked, by tightening the grub screws on each finger, you had a rock solid "key" Regards, Brian.
PPS Lock Noob, Just googled in images, Pickmasters ( with an "s" ) tubular lock pick, and it shows a number of images of the original tool. Bit hard to see the actual chuck tip however. Regards, Brian.
Thanks Brian, I’ll check that out :-)
How would shepherd staff/candy cane shape tensioner work if it was 47 thousandths to tension outside ring and possibly 60 thousandths to be against the center post
In not certain tbh. I think this would work best between 0.030 and 0.035 :-)
@@LockNoob What I was thinking was shape was to not obstruct access to pins and 60 thousandths could be to tension the Ace type tubular you could round edge facing center post
Pro tip: Some of this locks have hidden pin in place where Your tensioning foot (I call it nose) sits , and making v2 with longer foot is definitely worth. :) I can link You to the some laptop tubular locks that use such design. :)
Cheers ! 🍻
Niko Nista ahhh yes. I think this design could still work for those as you should be able to pick around it
Indeed , but I found some Kensington (Dell) locks and switch locks utilise it. :) And , it's quite funny , because , 8th (1st in such case) pin can't be easily seen. :) I like Your designs and work. :)
hi locknoob, do you have a printable scan (PDF) for this?
No, sorry :-(
Is there any chance I can send you a picture of a lock I'm trying to pick please?
Way to guy noob by George I think you've done it again
Lol, Thank you :-)
👍🏻
Cool tool. I would still be careful not to break it lol
I was worried too, but you need next to no tension on these locks and that Sparrows Steel is quite incredible stuff :-)
Do you sell your homemade picks
A tubular impressioning tool would work with the Chinese locks?
I remember a guy ("red" on youtube) used something called "fish tape" to make a turning wrench that looked like a goose neck (the video is "Kryptonite Krypto Tubular lock 7 pins"). Might be what you're looking for.
Man lock Noob, have you thought about showing your stuff to whomever before showing it to us. Seams to me you can be MAKING bank,and still do what you love. Really great idea, and video
Thank you :-) And yes, I do show my stuff to people before publishing :-)
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i got a vintage unican lock coming in the mail as a birthday present for myself
Awesome! Happy birthday in advance :-)
red sharpie, sharpie everywhere.... I have those red swishes on my fingers on a regular basis.
My wife (an artist) says it is due to trying to put the caps back on while holding something else. she uses an old glass jar, and just drops the pen into it until she is done.
Hmmmm. I am going to have to check the art supply budget for excessive sharpie purchases.
Lol :-)
How about a kensington lock? Thus wrench just goes around the center hub, kensington hub is too small
Sadly it’s impossible to make a tool for every type of lock,
@@LockNoob I was thinking about an adjustable version of your GOAT. A sliding bar to adjust for the type of tubular lock.
Cool!
Thank you :-)
Oh you know I have to make one now LOL.
Wont the south ord 7 pin klom open this fairly easy
Maybe, but won’t just slip into a pick case :-)
@@LockNoob true
If you knew the pin count why not use a self impression pick?...I'm a noob so I'm sure there's an answer but curious is all
Oh you absolutely can, but a small tension tool is far easier to carry around and picking is loads more fun 🤩
@@LockNoob haha, fair enough!! Thanks for the reply 😊
Genius. Or, to use the local vernacular, dead brill.
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Lock noon try open a ,burg watcher diamante really crazy biddings
If I see one, I’ll check it out :-)
Were you able to refine this tool?
Yes. It’s now the Goat Wrench sold by sparrows
nice
Thanks!
Wait did you design the Goat by sparrows
Yes
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@@valqueenofValhalla ok, do remove!
@@LockNoob thanks bro
😎 cool
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