@@reptilian_geneticist Goku's power level against Ginyu at full power was stated to be 180,000 exact. Frieza in his second form, his power was stated to be over 1,000,000 specifically. Frieza in his fourth form was arguably around 2,500,000 - 3,000,000 Toriyama needs a hella explaining to do.
@MikeProductions1000 But Black Goku and Zamasu's concepts were really really better than Androids, Cell and Golden Frieza. Remember when Vegeta was beating-up Black and said that only Goku could grow and adapt in his body as he had experience from long term deadly battles, Whereas Black was just a punching bag. But anyway, Fusing the original God Ki into a Saiyan body resulted in SSJR and those Zenkais of Black were totally strange.
No one gonna talk about the fact Goku didn't heal after taking the spirit bomb. Saiyans need to heal after getting beat Goku pushed his body to the max and went UI so no not a zenkai
HinaCabina Yeah, it's only ever been officially called something like "boost to your power after recovering from an injury." Not really pleasant to say.
No, They don't get a Zenkai boost if they actually die... They only get a Zenkai boost when brought to the brim of death and recover from it, the Saiyans evolve like that due to the extreme harsh environments they lived in. They are designed to constantly exceed their limits in order to survive, they are natural limit-breakers. "We Saiyans get stronger everytime we fight. You can crush every bone in my body, bring me to the brim of death, it will only make me more power level!" - *Vegeta* Vs. Transformed Zarbon - Round 2 (Namek Saga)
Ya, that's what I thought too, Plus he never mentioned anyone dying and coming back stronger in the video so I don't really know why he made that distinction.
In my head canon, Goku's zenkai boosts are so crazy in the Namek saga because he was built up to be THE legendary super saiyan. It was almost as if Goku was part of a prophecy. I think about it as if Dragon Ball ended after the Namek saga, which was the original plan if I'm not mistaken
I think it's because according to recent statements, the process to awakening super sayain causes a "change" in the body. This is when the s-cell count hits a certain point. Goku during his five days of training didn't just increase his power level from 9000 to 90000, and kaioken max from times 2 to times 10. He also drastically increased the potential of his body and started awakening his cells with kaioken. The zenkai just brought out that potential. And the super sayain transformation was ready, krillin just needed to die to ignite it!
Goku before entering the TOP: Has god ki and is super strong Goku after the TOP: Is beyond god levels and has gotten powers even the gods struggle to acquire
That Mr. Satan voice made me sad thinking about Ishizuka Unshou I wonder how he’s doing in otherworld. I know that he did the Japanese voice for Mr. Satan, but still.
Christian Cinnabars first of all how do you know that. Secondly Goku got his “Zenkai” not because he survived a fight with frieza they only fought once, but because frieza would be in this case the “active threat” during his fight with vegeta. What makes it even more ridiculous is even in final form frieza was still only using 1% of his power so Goku’s zenkai would have to know a threats true power level and compensate for it.
The recovery of the Zenkai is probably also important. Goku healing in the tank allowed for all his cells to heal in a natural and slower way than the senzu means which are sort of a magic bean rather than science Fi orientated. It is possible that Goku getting wrecked in the Saiyan saga and the Ginyu saga also involved the use of kaio ken which strained every cell of his body. And when he was training under artificial gravity, that was affecting everything of Goku. Whereas Vegeta when he got wrecked it tended to be specific major injuries rather than across his entire body. Eg, Krillin shooting a hole in Vegeta. Dende using his healing magic may have skipped a large part of Vegeta's zenkai boost if Vegeta had healed naturally. I would argue that Vegeta being resurrected had no impact on Vegeta's power level, since magic didn't heal Vegeta, it restored it. I know that the distinction is loose, but its the difference between doing some weight training and letting your muscles heal, versus your muscles magically going back to the state they were before the training. So Goku's kaio ken and gravity related damage to his body reaps the biggest reward for zenkai, and the healing tank > Senzu beans > Dende Healing > Resurrection.
I prefer to call them plot boosts seeing as Toriyama has a fettish for abusing them to making the hero’s stronger. Eh oh well, without them the show would of ended in the Frieza saga
Hate how Super retconned the zenkai to where you don't even have to recover from a fight to get stronger, you just have to get beaten up a bit and bam... You're X2 stronger than you were two kicks ago.😮
Go D. Ussop That wasn't Zenkai, it was a completely different concept introduced by Toriyama in an interview after the BoG movie where he said that Saiyans get stronger as they fight, Super applied that.
@@DillonisEpic You need to almost die for zenkai to kick in. But you can also get progressively stronger in a fight, but not so much that its comparable to a near death boost.
Saiyans grow while fighting plus after being beaten and healed they get a zenkai, saiyans also have inner walls they can break through do to anger or for vegeta in the tournament of power it came from jiren hurting vegetas pride and when he had a revalation about cabba ans his family
I think what Vegeta when he said he couldn’t nearly kill himself was because well, in real life it’s kind of mentally hard to do something to yourself that will threaten your own life
I always interpreted it as a Saiyan gains a boost to put them at an equal level or above whatever foe defeated them or is challenging them. If you look at Zenkai boosts this way instead of actual numbers, it makes a lot more sense, especially in the lens of the saiyans being a perfect warrior race.
I think the whole "I can't inflict damage to myself" thing can be looked at as: If im aware of what will happen or not training my body I cannot attack myself to make myself stronger. The attacking the body that Goku did was more of a body training than a zenkai.
全快 (Zenkai) isn’t technically a fan made term. In the Japanese they do refer to getting a boost in power after “Zenkai” (which means complete recovery of health). It is mentioned in the series, just not the words “Zenkai boost”. But it just means they’ve come back to full health.
*Vegeta's zenkai boosts during saiyan saga are crazy AF , he landed on namek weaker than dadoria , zorbon and other ginyu members but returned as a champ*
I would say gohan made the biggest jump.he was like the 5th strongest and trained with his dad within the year and became the strongest.he wasn't even on final form freeza level
Namek was when he broke the threshold of his power and reached a whole new level that allowed him to continue fighting the opponents in the rest of the series in my opinion. The same happening again when he first recieved God ki in Super.
I think it's from the tournament of power because Goku got from being far weaker than jiren is even at Super Saiyan blue Kaioken times 20 plus a Spirit Bomb to being able to defeat jiren along with Frieza at Super Saiyan so after that he would get as in KY Boost from that so he should be as powerful as Ultra Instinct Omen Goku is this zenkai boost is that powerful which I'm sure it is
You know, watching this just made me realize something. Gohan got even weaker than we thought during that seven years between the cell and buu arc. You're telling me with how ravaged his body was after the fight with super perfect cell that he didn't get a Zenkai? So realistically speaking he'd of gotten far more powerful after healing, before losing all that strength during the years without training. Makes me wonder how strong he was at that point.
with what you said about cell achieving zenkai from his Saiyan blood mixed with namekian healing,it got me thinking that if cell returned in super he could potentially be on a level similar to black if he were to train as that is kind of what black was doing by healing himself rapidly after beatings..
before watching the vid, biggest zenkai boost is probably: A) perfect cell after explosion B) goku after being annihilated by jiran in first part of tournament of power
The zenkai boost happens when they are close to death and they maintain their power level through multipying and then when they heal the area being healed adds to the power level thus boosting it. Its like if you got $5.00 then you get interest for holding on to the 5$ thats what the zenkai boost is. Its a power boost for surviving an exausting situation, if you got a multiplier ability
Yes, but, but to add to what he said. It's like classes in video games, where races have innate abilities others do not. Thus Saiyans would probably just have a passive status called 'Zenkai' So, it wouldn't work for any of them.
I would say that it's mental when it comes to cells zenkai. He didn't believe he was "hurting himself" as goku sees his training as him against his goal. It's all in there head
@@thanasishim one as the one he got from vegetas beating on earth. If you're just talking about namrk saga vegeta had 2.if you're talking about the entire frieza saga including namek and ginyu. Goku had 2-3 vegeta had 4 .
Just to put my 2 cents into this, around 10:20 when they talk about vegeta saying he can't self inflict it doesn't necessarily mean that he won't get the zenkai boost from that but it could just be vegeta not mentally being able to inflict that damage to himself
I kind of like how the numbers stop making sense pretty quickly after they started getting elaborated. I think the only benefit PL's served were building up the villains, but that came at the cost of having to introduce things like zenkai boost and hidden power Awakenings and namekian fusions and all this bullshit that ended up making Sans the only reasonable contenders at the end of an arc.
"Saiyans can only Zenkai to a point" Yet In the tournament of power Goku goes from SSB Kaiox20 not being able to touch Jiren. To being able to defeat awakened power jiren in ultra instinct. I guess you could give this zenkai boost to the form, but it's still a crazy power boost in a small amount of time. I think the explanation for why the Zenkai boosts were so much more drastic were because of the opponents they faced. When fighting opponents with powers so high. The saiyans had to adjust accordingly. 90k goku going to 3 million is clearly the biggest jump stat wise. Perfect cell doesnt even compare. That's a 33x increase in power. I would say that semi perfect cell is not 33x weaker than SSJ2 Gohan.
@@JamelHoward3291 Yes but Goku also was able to compete with Jiren later aftering unlocking The two OUI's. Meaning he did get a Zenkai boost from at least one of those making his base stronger. Which made his second Omen Ultra instinct stronger which made his mastered ultra instinct stronger. That's why I stated that Goku's strength increased the most over that arc. But that the biggest zenkai was like I also stated goku going into frieza.
No, after the initial fight with Jiren, Goku had got a lot stronger, able to hold his own against a more powered up Jiren than when he initially fought Ultra Instinct
I think Goku's zenkais make sense. He goes from 8000 in base to 90,000 but he also trained in 100x Earth's gravity on the way to Namek, all while getting zenkai boosts along the way thanks to his senzu beans. So Goku was unintentionally exploiting every bit of his Saiyan biology and got so strong as a result. This also explains why he goes from a base power of 90,000 to 3,000,000 off of one zenkai, because his body is so much stronger it gains more zenkai power to compensate. And him being at 150,000,000 makes sense because by then he has awakened SSJ which is a 50x multiplyer.
About that moment when Vegeta told Kuririn that hurting himself wouldn't count for the Zenkai while it worked for Gokuu and Cell... couldn't it be that he had simply been wrong? Maybe he never hurt himself on purpose to figure it out. I mean he even thought he has become a Super Saiyajin against Freeza even though he clearly wasn't and we later see that it is not just raising one's battle power but also alters the appearance. So it was pretty obvious that Vegeta didn't know everything about Saiyajins, only some "basics". Just my theory though.
When did Goku get a zenkai from hurting himself? Goku never got a zenkai from hurting himself, if you are talking about the spaceship training, know that was the training that made him stronger not any zenkai boost whatsoever.
He fired Ki blasts around the center of the spaceship, broke down because it was too powerful, ate a Senzu, healed and became stronger (it was hinted by the red and white flashing "representation" screen behing him, when he flexed his muscles). Also, the topic "Saiyajins get stronger when surviving an injury" came up again in the second battle against Zarbon, that took place around the same time. The explanation was a hint to what was happening to Gokuu and why he increased his strenght that much in just 6 days, even in higher gravity.
Yes, I know all what happened during those spaceship days Goku trained in. Like I said that wasn't a zenkai boost, he got hit by his own Ki balls and then could barely move, so what? He just didn't have much energy left to get back up and press the button to reduce the gravity back to normal/zero. It seems you don't know exactly what a zenkai boost is, that being said, it consists of one suffering a NEAR DEATH injury and then recovers from. Once after put back on your after after being at a near death situation, the zenkai triggers, and it only occurs during that moment and no other. Vegeta during the Zarbon fight only explained what was happening to him and how he got his power boost, it wasn't hinted towards Goku because of the reasons I gave above. Hope that clears it up.
He didn't turn down the Gravity Machine, he crawled back to his seat where the Senzu Bag was, ate one, flexed and even said himself in the Japanese Version "That was close!" as in "Wow, I almost killed myself!". So yes, he almost died, survived, healed and got the Zenkai. And yes, I very well know what a Zenkai is and how it works.
Yes he did turn it down bud, rewatch the scene again, right before he fell down he pushed his arm and aimed to to hit one of the buttons on the Mahine's controllers, fortunately he did succesfully push the right button which set the gravity to the regular one, then AFTER THAT he crawled to where the senzu where lying at. And yes he did say that quote because he was implying he COULD have been done for, but he didn't. He made it out alive in one piece just out of gas but one again not near death seeing as he even had the least amount of force in him to actually make it to the senzu bag. If that anywhere near death (which it isn't even close to) he would have been unconscious like everyone else. And for your statement, if he didn't tap the button and turn it down, what or who else did? And how exactly do you think he was still alive and was able to barely move if he didn't do so? Think again.
I think Zenkai boost mixed with the now discovered s cells, is what creates the legendary Super Saiyan transformation that Broly uses and of course Kale, this mix mutation causes the zenkai to be permanently active as long as they're in the legendary Super Saiyan form, that's why they keep getting stronger as long as they're in that transformation, it's just my theory on that.
What about goku in tournament of power after getting the spirit bomb turnt back towards him Because he went from super saiyan blue while doing the spirit bomb to ultra instinct omen
Mike, Kaio-Sama also said when Goku fought Frieza, he was using the Kaio-ken x10 That could explain how he got to 3 million. However, without the Kaio-ken, he would have only been 300k; When he uses kaio-kenx20, he jumps to 6 million
I can understand why the Zenkai Boosts are ridiculously overpowered but I believe it's because it's the first time our heroes abuse it since they've gained knowledge of it through Vegeta, the reason why I think Goku's power level was 180,000 after he rose from the healing chamber was because he was probably doing some sort of Image training (Mentally) He could see and feel Frieza fighting everyone he possibly at some point put himself in their place and Fought him numerous times in different scenarios to try and find a solution on how to beat him (That's my headcanon) lol
I see it like this; power levels aren't ACTUALLY a thing. The Z Fighters have completely dynamic power levels, just as any other biological process, and how much power they can output at any given time probably depends on a TON of factors (how full/hungry they are, how tired/energetic they are, how focused/distracted they are, etc) and it ALSO seems like it's not just physical but mental as well. Like, the Z Fighters can sense an opponent's ki and give themselves a goal to work for; they can't actually fathom power levels that they can't sense. They have to sense a power in order to understand it. This works with why Krillin and Gohan essentially shit themselves the first time they sense Freeza's power on Namek. So it seems once the Z Fighters can sense a power level, even if it's ridiculously huge, it can give them the visualization of a goal to work towards and in some fights, depending on their emotions, they can reach within and pull out THAT power (or similar to it). Just head canon, but an interesting idea nonetheless.
Something I've always wondered is maybe gokus Zenkais were so large due to the strain that Kaio Ken places on the body. Maybe from continued usage of the technique the body gets used to a certain level of power and Zenkais are more effective because the body remembers being that powerful before. Similar to how it's easier to gain strength the second time around if you powerlift. Like how if you bulked and got to 405 deadlift but then cut and lost strength it's easier to get back to 405
I think the reason cell came back so strong was because of how BADLY he was damaged. Vegeta had a hole blown through his stomach, but cell was vaporized down to tiny particles. So, cell had to recover from more than any saiyan ever had to, meaning he'd get a bigger boost than any saiyan ever got. That's my theory, anyways
I don't believe the Cell thing was a Zenkai boost. Remember Cell is an Android first and foremost. His technology goes all the way down to his cell level, hence the name Cell. My headcanon for explaining how he was able to get stronger after blowing up Goku and King Kai is this: Cell is made up of DNA and studies of Goku before he went to Namek and became a Super Saiyan. Evidence of this is Dr Gyro didn't know about Super Saiyan when they fought Goku. So that part of Goku's DNA wasn't in the computer system that Cell came from. This is why Cell also couldn't use Instant Transmission at first. But when Cell blew up Goku, his cells managed to absorb Goku's new present timeline DNA to update the old pre Namek Saga Goku DNA they had on record. This is why Cell after absorbing and Updating his Goku DNA was now aware of Instant Transmission and able to use it, and also able to tap into Super Saiyan, hence the Yellow aura Cell had when he came back. It makes sense. It wasn't a Zenkai boost. It was a update on his Goku DNA in his cell database.
I was about to be like “wait what about BROLY” when y’all were discussing cell saying “strongest zenkai” but then I didn’t hear the “strongest zenkai-in Z”
Didn't Cell also not even 17 inside him anymore because he used his bomb? So his zenkai boost was practically on base form Cell to Super Perfect Cell. Am I missing something here?
I always viewed the spirit bomb struggle with Jiren that triggered Ultra Instinct Omen as a zenkai boost, and near the end of T.O.P. when he does it for the last time. If those points in the battle with Jiren could be considered zenkai boosts, they would dwarf every other boost in the series by a huge margin. Jiren was slapping around SSB Kaioken x20 like nothing, and ended up getting defeated by Goku less than half an hour later lol. That may be the transformation at work, but I do also wonder if a zenkai boost is what enabled the transformation to happen in the first place.
The Spirit Bomb's energy acted in place of Goku's exhausted body. Essentially it means its power became Goku's own power for his body, temporarily. That kind of explicit comment from Whis, tells you that it is not a Zenkai boost. Zenkai's have a definition. Getting some degree of power, whether temp or from Guru's hand isn't the definition of a Zenkai boost. The fucking shit is a Sayian trait. Not a 'ball of energy -given-by-another-person-like-vegeta' boost. tf Might as well have vegeta throw energy at goku, and goku do the damn same and call it a Zenkai boost am I right? Cause that is the literal shit that people seem to be crapping out. Nowadays, though, Zenkai's have little impact with statements from tori like 'They get stronger as they fight' which kind goes against the "Power from recovery" Which is what Zenkai naturally is. I don't think UI allows for some sweet and grand healing. So no, I don't think it contributed at all to his ability to become UI or there afterwards. Considering he fought for a good time against Kale and them afterwards. I'd say they would likely be a more reasonable culprit for his raise to power, then the tiny fight with Jiren. Whis gives the details. I think a lot of you guys keep forgetting that the words 'Breaking his limits' isn't just something thrown out there. Everyone knows about the whole 'Limit breaking deal' I'm sure that could easily clear up everything all on it's own. Besides, the Legendary Limit breaking status would be way better then Zenkai anyway in a short case. Obviously not in the long run since Zenkai is a permanent thing, unlike the temporarily limit breaks Goku has had.
Regarding Cell, I remember something about him absorbing part of Goku's body after self destructing and that being why he had Instant Transmission after. His was at least more than double as he couldn't hit Gohan SSJ2 or damage him before, yet after exploding, he was on par. That was at least a 3-5x boost, 10 maybe if we want to stretch it. That's a lowball still though as SSJ Gohan was still in the ballpark of cell's power, he just didn't want to fight him so even though he was close to his power, he didn't use it. Still, Goku's in the namek saga is still the biggest in terms of single boost.
Goku's power level in the Ginyu Saga was actually 900,000. Goku stated in chapter 270 of the manga that he could do the kaioken technique up to x10. Base Goku's power level when he fought ginyu was 90,000. Remember Goku only did a x2 kaioken during his fight his Ginyu. So.... Base Goku = 90,000 Goku x2 Kaioken =180,000 Goku x10 Kaioken = 900,000
And form 4 Freeza started out at around 4 million, and Goku could barely keep up with him with kaioken 20x, so he might have only doubled in power with the zenkai
um shh plz guys.were talking about base goku. goku(vs ginyu force)-90k goku(vs frieza)-3mil frieza(final form)-4mil frieza(serious)-20mil goku(kiaokenx20)-60mil frieza(final form more serious)-65 mil goku(spirit bomb)-100 mil frieza(final form FP)-120 mil goku(super saiyan)-150 mil
Frieza powered up to 50% (60,000,000) after bragging about using only "1%" power. Goku went Kaioken x10 at that time when he was getting rolled over by Frieza. And went Kaioken x20 when he was fighting back from being dunked in the Namekian sea
Not sure I'd agree with Cell's boost being the strongest, but I suppose it would be when you just consider it in raw numbers, rather than proportionally. Goku on Namek became more than 30x more powerful just by healing up in the tank. Regarding Perfect Cell, you have to consider that SSJ2 is double the power of SSJ1, not even as much when compared to SSJ Grade 4 which Gohan was in when fighting Cell initially. Perfect Cell was stronger than Gohan before SSJ2 and about the same as SSJ2 Gohan after coming back. At most, he could have doubled his power there.
Pretty sure the tower thing was more hinting towards goku climbing it twice was what boosted his power, korin dropping his ball as one example and then not letting tao run back down so he didn't get any extra gains
Another thing about the cell example It’s pretty well established that regenerating takes a fair amount of energy to do so it’s possible that we don’t even see the full extent of his power because regeneration still would’ve taken a lot out of him
Namek Saga zenkai boosts are so ridiculously overpowered. No wonder Frieza feared the Saiyans.
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I heard goku doesnt get them anymore..but he does
He caught up to everyone by training for 4 months.
His fear makes zero sense.
😂 if you see it's not as bad as Goku black 😂
@@protagonist-kunspersona5860 Goku Black is the king of zenkai boosts
From 90,000 to 3,000,000 isn't called a Zenkai boost
but Toriyama's Holy plot writing...
More like hole-y plot writing.
Yeah like how Goku went from being weaker than Frieza's base form. Then with a Zenkai boost he keeps up with his Final form?
@@Rayblade45 And to think that Vegeta went from being equal to Frieza in his first form to being far weaker than his final form lol
@@reptilian_geneticist Goku's power level against Ginyu at full power was stated to be 180,000 exact.
Frieza in his second form, his power was stated to be over 1,000,000 specifically.
Frieza in his fourth form was arguably around 2,500,000 - 3,000,000
Toriyama needs a hella explaining to do.
What goku power level wen he meet trunks
Forget about Zenkai, I Need that Zenni Boost
ikr all these Eza's draining my zeni
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Going from SSB to MUI in 45mins is a pretty big boost imo.
Swifty Unknown not a zenkai one so...
It is a Zenkai because Goku almost killed himself falling into his spirit bomb.
Zenkais unlock transformations too like SS Rose for Black.
@MikeProductions1000
But Black Goku and Zamasu's concepts were really really better than Androids, Cell and Golden Frieza.
Remember when Vegeta was beating-up Black and said that only Goku could grow and adapt in his body as he had experience from long term deadly battles, Whereas Black was just a punching bag.
But anyway, Fusing the original God Ki into a Saiyan body resulted in SSJR and those Zenkais of Black were totally strange.
No one gonna talk about the fact Goku didn't heal after taking the spirit bomb. Saiyans need to heal after getting beat Goku pushed his body to the max and went UI so no not a zenkai
zenkai is a fan term ? it sounded so real 😭
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HinaCabina Yeah, it's only ever been officially called something like "boost to your power after recovering from an injury." Not really pleasant to say.
Yeah, the concept is from the show, but the term is fan made
I always thought it was an actual term :'(
No, They don't get a Zenkai boost if they actually die... They only get a Zenkai boost when brought to the brim of death and recover from it, the Saiyans evolve like that due to the extreme harsh environments they lived in. They are designed to constantly exceed their limits in order to survive, they are natural limit-breakers.
"We Saiyans get stronger everytime we fight. You can crush every bone in my body, bring me to the brim of death, it will only make me more power level!" - *Vegeta* Vs. Transformed Zarbon - Round 2 (Namek Saga)
Ya, that's what I thought too, Plus he never mentioned anyone dying and coming back stronger in the video so I don't really know why he made that distinction.
@Cuyler Barnhill No, he noticed he was alive.
@@livingashtree1942 lol exactly
Who Am I after he died
Goku definitely got a zenkia boost after death so did vegeta
Zenkai. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Great video once again!
And what kills you makes you stronger as well ^^
Kevin Bibow fuckkk beat me to it
Choji well that sums it up
Kevin. Indeed!
Unless you are krillin
In my head canon, Goku's zenkai boosts are so crazy in the Namek saga because he was built up to be THE legendary super saiyan. It was almost as if Goku was part of a prophecy. I think about it as if Dragon Ball ended after the Namek saga, which was the original plan if I'm not mistaken
It was the original plan
@@leonsantero9903 no it wasn’t. Dragon Ball was never meant to end in the Namek or Cell arc, despite the rumours.
@@leonsantero9903 Yuuuup
@@penisnt and here comes the fucking buu saga
I think it's because according to recent statements, the process to awakening super sayain causes a "change" in the body. This is when the s-cell count hits a certain point. Goku during his five days of training didn't just increase his power level from 9000 to 90000, and kaioken max from times 2 to times 10. He also drastically increased the potential of his body and started awakening his cells with kaioken. The zenkai just brought out that potential. And the super sayain transformation was ready, krillin just needed to die to ignite it!
Goku before entering the TOP: Has god ki and is super strong
Goku after the TOP: Is beyond god levels and has gotten powers even the gods struggle to acquire
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That Mr. Satan voice made me sad thinking about Ishizuka Unshou I wonder how he’s doing in otherworld. I know that he did the Japanese voice for Mr. Satan, but still.
he's probably having a smoke
Mr Popo probavly
He is In a better Place with King Kai.
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Evolution Vegeta Yes
@@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478 possibly Has UI SSGSSE5 By now. (Non canon Form)
I agree with Mike, I always thought the "active threat" theory was the best way to think of it.
Kuronji except that Vegeta was healing in Feeeza's ship and he only was able to beat Zarbon
active threat, Zarbon was.the one who beat him, Ginyu force wasnt around and he hadnt fought anyone stronger than Zarbon at that point.
So why hasn’t any other saiyan ever beat frieza long before goku and vegeta came along
SoPrecise Because no Saiyan ever survived a fight with Frieza until the Namek Saga.
Christian Cinnabars first of all how do you know that. Secondly Goku got his “Zenkai” not because he survived a fight with frieza they only fought once, but because frieza would be in this case the “active threat” during his fight with vegeta. What makes it even more ridiculous is even in final form frieza was still only using 1% of his power so Goku’s zenkai would have to know a threats true power level and compensate for it.
CZcams gets a Zenkai boost every time Geekdom101 uploads a video
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Careful. They might demonetize.
Geekdom gets a zenkai boost everytime he invites a friend to join his video's
@@Roto3 CZcams SSG
You're right. His videos damage CZcams and they regen and get stronger.
The recovery of the Zenkai is probably also important.
Goku healing in the tank allowed for all his cells to heal in a natural and slower way than the senzu means which are sort of a magic bean rather than science Fi orientated. It is possible that Goku getting wrecked in the Saiyan saga and the Ginyu saga also involved the use of kaio ken which strained every cell of his body. And when he was training under artificial gravity, that was affecting everything of Goku. Whereas Vegeta when he got wrecked it tended to be specific major injuries rather than across his entire body. Eg, Krillin shooting a hole in Vegeta.
Dende using his healing magic may have skipped a large part of Vegeta's zenkai boost if Vegeta had healed naturally.
I would argue that Vegeta being resurrected had no impact on Vegeta's power level, since magic didn't heal Vegeta, it restored it. I know that the distinction is loose, but its the difference between doing some weight training and letting your muscles heal, versus your muscles magically going back to the state they were before the training.
So Goku's kaio ken and gravity related damage to his body reaps the biggest reward for zenkai, and the healing tank > Senzu beans > Dende Healing > Resurrection.
I prefer to call them plot boosts seeing as Toriyama has a fettish for abusing them to making the hero’s stronger. Eh oh well, without them the show would of ended in the Frieza saga
I mean not really he wrote the situations that require him
The show would have ended during the piccolo saga
A jar of pickles fetish??? Chillll bro....
Would've*
A jar of pickles it fit
6:59 don't forget in Resurrection of F Frieza was shooting for a power level of 1.3 million thinking that was a lot
Probably Roshi’s Zenkai that allowed him to fight Jiren
I will absolutely never let that shit go
The Game Grumps Let’s Play of Majora’s Mask it wasn’t really a fight to me lmao
I mean, Roshi fought Frost in the anime...
@@farmerwithshotgun5166 Frost is way weaker than Jiren. And Roshi wasn't strong enough to overpower Frost.
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Roshi used a water down ultra instinct technique. Pure strength isn't everything.
And that's why he lasted briefly against jiren. Key word; briefly.
The zenkai boosts in Namek sage is what made DBZ awesome to watch. The episodes long powering up was too hilarious: perfect for drinking games :D
Hate how Super retconned the zenkai to where you don't even have to recover from a fight to get stronger, you just have to get beaten up a bit and bam... You're X2 stronger than you were two kicks ago.😮
Go D. Ussop
That wasn't Zenkai, it was a completely different concept introduced by Toriyama in an interview after the BoG movie where he said that Saiyans get stronger as they fight, Super applied that.
That wasn't just Saiyan's. Everyone's power was coming out from the situation
You seem to be forgetting the fact that the ss god powers give self healing. Goku in battle is always taking damage and healing, ss god = op
@@DillonisEpic You need to almost die for zenkai to kick in. But you can also get progressively stronger in a fight, but not so much that its comparable to a near death boost.
Saiyans grow while fighting plus after being beaten and healed they get a zenkai, saiyans also have inner walls they can break through do to anger or for vegeta in the tournament of power it came from jiren hurting vegetas pride and when he had a revalation about cabba ans his family
I think what Vegeta when he said he couldn’t nearly kill himself was because well, in real life it’s kind of mentally hard to do something to yourself that will threaten your own life
I always interpreted it as a Saiyan gains a boost to put them at an equal level or above whatever foe defeated them or is challenging them. If you look at Zenkai boosts this way instead of actual numbers, it makes a lot more sense, especially in the lens of the saiyans being a perfect warrior race.
You're "active threat" theorie actually makes a lot of sense
I think the whole "I can't inflict damage to myself" thing can be looked at as: If im aware of what will happen or not training my body I cannot attack myself to make myself stronger. The attacking the body that Goku did was more of a body training than a zenkai.
全快 (Zenkai) isn’t technically a fan made term. In the Japanese they do refer to getting a boost in power after “Zenkai” (which means complete recovery of health). It is mentioned in the series, just not the words “Zenkai boost”. But it just means they’ve come back to full health.
*Vegeta's zenkai boosts during saiyan saga are crazy AF , he landed on namek weaker than dadoria , zorbon and other ginyu members but returned as a champ*
he wasn't weaker than dadoria when he landed on namek lol
he was weaker than zarbon. not dodoria.
He wasn’t weaker than dodoria lol
I recall Goku knowing about the zenkai boost, and abusing the hell out of it on his way to Namek. He talked about it with Vegeta 🤔
I would say gohan made the biggest jump.he was like the 5th strongest and trained with his dad within the year and became the strongest.he wasn't even on final form freeza level
But that was training.
@@DSan-kl2yc he was stronger then even goku before ssj2 happened... so yeah
D. San exactly
Namek was when he broke the threshold of his power and reached a whole new level that allowed him to continue fighting the opponents in the rest of the series in my opinion. The same happening again when he first recieved God ki in Super.
What about the Zenkai Boost Vegeta got after conceiving Trunks I mean the man to become a Super Saiyan afterwards so it must have been a *goood* boost
Bulma snatch must be deadly for sayains recovering made him deified. Hehe
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I would say goku almost dying from his own spirit bomb and then getting freaking Ultra Instinct and later MUI is maybe a little zenkai boost
KeeganTheManiac the ToP saga boosted all the saiyans, vegeta and goku are on a whole another level now
Little?
I'd say the ToP and the events leading up to it with the universe 6 Saiyan's had huge zenkai boosts.
The Namek saga was really the "bringing out" of the Zenkai boosts and also the spamming of it😂😂
cuz they didn't have ssj yet
Either it’s perfect Cell or Goku in the Namek arc.
Hotcheetojuice that’s Goku black gets Zenkai over other Zenkai boosts. I’m talking about one Zenkai boost. Like cell and Goku experienced.
I think it's from the tournament of power because Goku got from being far weaker than jiren is even at Super Saiyan blue Kaioken times 20 plus a Spirit Bomb to being able to defeat jiren along with Frieza at Super Saiyan so after that he would get as in KY Boost from that so he should be as powerful as Ultra Instinct Omen Goku is this zenkai boost is that powerful which I'm sure it is
Hotcheetojuice did you forget about all the time Trunks fought him?
Version 9point7 trunks really didn’t do too much against black at all all he did was just entertain him
It's goku in tournament of power, he went from being fodder to jiren in ep 109 to damaging him in base in ep 131
You know, watching this just made me realize something. Gohan got even weaker than we thought during that seven years between the cell and buu arc. You're telling me with how ravaged his body was after the fight with super perfect cell that he didn't get a Zenkai? So realistically speaking he'd of gotten far more powerful after healing, before losing all that strength during the years without training. Makes me wonder how strong he was at that point.
with what you said about cell achieving zenkai from his Saiyan blood mixed with namekian healing,it got me thinking that if cell returned in super he could potentially be on a level similar to black if he were to train as that is kind of what black was doing by healing himself rapidly after beatings..
before watching the vid, biggest zenkai boost is probably:
A) perfect cell after explosion
B) goku after being annihilated by jiran in first part of tournament of power
The zenkai boost happens when they are close to death and they maintain their power level through multipying and then when they heal the area being healed adds to the power level thus boosting it. Its like if you got $5.00 then you get interest for holding on to the 5$ thats what the zenkai boost is. Its a power boost for surviving an exausting situation, if you got a multiplier ability
If it worked like that namekians and humans could get Zenkai
Yes, but, but to add to what he said. It's like classes in video games, where races have innate abilities others do not. Thus Saiyans would probably just have a passive status called 'Zenkai' So, it wouldn't work for any of them.
I would say that it's mental when it comes to cells zenkai. He didn't believe he was "hurting himself" as goku sees his training as him against his goal. It's all in there head
When is strongest in dragon ball merged zamasu coming out?
It’s any time one gets stronger from adversity, or recovering from ANY fight, but the more injured the more the boost
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I wonder how big of a zenkai did goku get from the TOP
huge
He got like 6 zenkai boosts
I’m betting vegeta and goku are far from their pre-ToP base forms.
Vegeta have A Bunch of Zenkais in Namek Saga...
In top Saga to
So does goku
thegigadykid1 Goku only had 1 zenkai boost while Vegeta had like 5.
And ?
@@thanasishim one as the one he got from vegetas beating on earth. If you're just talking about namrk saga vegeta had 2.if you're talking about the entire frieza saga including namek and ginyu. Goku had 2-3 vegeta had 4 .
Just to put my 2 cents into this, around 10:20 when they talk about vegeta saying he can't self inflict it doesn't necessarily mean that he won't get the zenkai boost from that but it could just be vegeta not mentally being able to inflict that damage to himself
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Once I went to the bathroom after eating spicy food and had a pretty big Zenkai Boost.
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I kind of like how the numbers stop making sense pretty quickly after they started getting elaborated. I think the only benefit PL's served were building up the villains, but that came at the cost of having to introduce things like zenkai boost and hidden power Awakenings and namekian fusions and all this bullshit that ended up making Sans the only reasonable contenders at the end of an arc.
"Saiyans can only Zenkai to a point"
Yet In the tournament of power Goku goes from SSB Kaiox20 not being able to touch Jiren. To being able to defeat awakened power jiren in ultra instinct. I guess you could give this zenkai boost to the form, but it's still a crazy power boost in a small amount of time.
I think the explanation for why the Zenkai boosts were so much more drastic were because of the opponents they faced. When fighting opponents with powers so high. The saiyans had to adjust accordingly.
90k goku going to 3 million is clearly the biggest jump stat wise. Perfect cell doesnt even compare. That's a 33x increase in power. I would say that semi perfect cell is not 33x weaker than SSJ2 Gohan.
Zenkai is just a legit reason for them to give the characters a legit power up.
Ultra instinct isn’t a zenkai boost tho so I don’t see the relation
@@JamelHoward3291 Yes but Goku also was able to compete with Jiren later aftering unlocking The two OUI's. Meaning he did get a Zenkai boost from at least one of those making his base stronger. Which made his second Omen Ultra instinct stronger which made his mastered ultra instinct stronger. That's why I stated that Goku's strength increased the most over that arc. But that the biggest zenkai was like I also stated goku going into frieza.
It wasnt zenkia he mastered ssj blue form like in cell saga were he can power up
it's not so much a power boost. it's more a massive boost in technique and ability. your body moving without thinking.
Watching the Namek Saga Zenkai Boosts I even can understand the incredible power up of Frieza to Golden in 4 months.
Goku had quite the Zenkai boosts in the TOP
Nope, a Zenkai is when you heal your wounds, not when you regain your stamina. He probably got it at the end.
@@DMU1503 Never said it was about stamina
Oh you mean when he got stronger during fights? That's not a Zenkai.
No, after the initial fight with Jiren, Goku had got a lot stronger, able to hold his own against a more powered up Jiren than when he initially fought Ultra Instinct
@@DMU1503 No I mean when Frieza and Vegeta gave goku energy
I think Goku's zenkais make sense. He goes from 8000 in base to 90,000 but he also trained in 100x Earth's gravity on the way to Namek, all while getting zenkai boosts along the way thanks to his senzu beans. So Goku was unintentionally exploiting every bit of his Saiyan biology and got so strong as a result. This also explains why he goes from a base power of 90,000 to 3,000,000 off of one zenkai, because his body is so much stronger it gains more zenkai power to compensate. And him being at 150,000,000 makes sense because by then he has awakened SSJ which is a 50x multiplyer.
Plus the kaioken doesn’t just put strain on your body it puts strain on each individual cell
That probably helped a lot
About that moment when Vegeta told Kuririn that hurting himself wouldn't count for the Zenkai while it worked for Gokuu and Cell... couldn't it be that he had simply been wrong? Maybe he never hurt himself on purpose to figure it out. I mean he even thought he has become a Super Saiyajin against Freeza even though he clearly wasn't and we later see that it is not just raising one's battle power but also alters the appearance. So it was pretty obvious that Vegeta didn't know everything about Saiyajins, only some "basics". Just my theory though.
When did Goku get a zenkai from hurting himself? Goku never got a zenkai from hurting himself, if you are talking about the spaceship training, know that was the training that made him stronger not any zenkai boost whatsoever.
He fired Ki blasts around the center of the spaceship, broke down because it was too powerful, ate a Senzu, healed and became stronger (it was hinted by the red and white flashing "representation" screen behing him, when he flexed his muscles). Also, the topic "Saiyajins get stronger when surviving an injury" came up again in the second battle against Zarbon, that took place around the same time. The explanation was a hint to what was happening to Gokuu and why he increased his strenght that much in just 6 days, even in higher gravity.
Yes, I know all what happened during those spaceship days Goku trained in. Like I said that wasn't a zenkai boost, he got hit by his own Ki balls and then could barely move, so what? He just didn't have much energy left to get back up and press the button to reduce the gravity back to normal/zero. It seems you don't know exactly what a zenkai boost is, that being said, it consists of one suffering a NEAR DEATH injury and then recovers from. Once after put back on your after after being at a near death situation, the zenkai triggers, and it only occurs during that moment and no other. Vegeta during the Zarbon fight only explained what was happening to him and how he got his power boost, it wasn't hinted towards Goku because of the reasons I gave above. Hope that clears it up.
He didn't turn down the Gravity Machine, he crawled back to his seat where the Senzu Bag was, ate one, flexed and even said himself in the Japanese Version "That was close!" as in "Wow, I almost killed myself!". So yes, he almost died, survived, healed and got the Zenkai. And yes, I very well know what a Zenkai is and how it works.
Yes he did turn it down bud, rewatch the scene again, right before he fell down he pushed his arm and aimed to to hit one of the buttons on the Mahine's controllers, fortunately he did succesfully push the right button which set the gravity to the regular one, then AFTER THAT he crawled to where the senzu where lying at. And yes he did say that quote because he was implying he COULD have been done for, but he didn't. He made it out alive in one piece just out of gas but one again not near death seeing as he even had the least amount of force in him to actually make it to the senzu bag. If that anywhere near death (which it isn't even close to) he would have been unconscious like everyone else. And for your statement, if he didn't tap the button and turn it down, what or who else did? And how exactly do you think he was still alive and was able to barely move if he didn't do so? Think again.
I thought the term "Zenkai" was just one of those terms that existed but was never said in the show. Didn't know it was a fan term.
Gotta keep them relevant, I’m just Saiyan.
I think Zenkai boost mixed with the now discovered s cells, is what creates the legendary Super Saiyan transformation that Broly uses and of course Kale, this mix mutation causes the zenkai to be permanently active as long as they're in the legendary Super Saiyan form, that's why they keep getting stronger as long as they're in that transformation, it's just my theory on that.
I like how Goku is getting healed in a tank yet dende could have healed him up.
Goku could of killed frieza really easy if donde healed him and fought his first and second form
God I hope when dbs comes back Gohans becomes relevant again
What about goku in tournament of power after getting the spirit bomb turnt back towards him
Because he went from super saiyan blue while doing the spirit bomb to ultra instinct omen
Mike, Kaio-Sama also said when Goku fought Frieza, he was using the Kaio-ken x10
That could explain how he got to 3 million. However, without the Kaio-ken, he would have only been 300k;
When he uses kaio-kenx20, he jumps to 6 million
Good thought, but ssj is stated to be a 50x multiplier to the Saiyan's base, so the guide stating 150mil for ssj Goku requires a 3mil base.
"Got 3 or 4 times stronger, MAYBE even 2 times stronger." WHAT? Shouldnt that statement be switched around? hahaha
I can understand why the Zenkai Boosts are ridiculously overpowered but I believe it's because it's the first time our heroes abuse it since they've gained knowledge of it through Vegeta, the reason why I think Goku's power level was 180,000 after he rose from the healing chamber was because he was probably doing some sort of Image training (Mentally) He could see and feel Frieza fighting everyone he possibly at some point put himself in their place and Fought him numerous times in different scenarios to try and find a solution on how to beat him (That's my headcanon) lol
The zenkai boosts in the tournamernt of power were actually nuts
I see it like this; power levels aren't ACTUALLY a thing. The Z Fighters have completely dynamic power levels, just as any other biological process, and how much power they can output at any given time probably depends on a TON of factors (how full/hungry they are, how tired/energetic they are, how focused/distracted they are, etc) and it ALSO seems like it's not just physical but mental as well.
Like, the Z Fighters can sense an opponent's ki and give themselves a goal to work for; they can't actually fathom power levels that they can't sense. They have to sense a power in order to understand it. This works with why Krillin and Gohan essentially shit themselves the first time they sense Freeza's power on Namek.
So it seems once the Z Fighters can sense a power level, even if it's ridiculously huge, it can give them the visualization of a goal to work towards and in some fights, depending on their emotions, they can reach within and pull out THAT power (or similar to it).
Just head canon, but an interesting idea nonetheless.
Biggest non-saiyan zenkai:Android 17
Without question Cell was the biggest and craziest within that short span of time. Love the content.
*_🎶Ooh...miracle ZENKAI power!🎶"_*
I was looking for seone to bring that up "zenkai never used" my ass... Ooooo---oooo miracle zenkai power power power
Something I've always wondered is maybe gokus Zenkais were so large due to the strain that Kaio Ken places on the body. Maybe from continued usage of the technique the body gets used to a certain level of power and Zenkais are more effective because the body remembers being that powerful before. Similar to how it's easier to gain strength the second time around if you powerlift. Like how if you bulked and got to 405 deadlift but then cut and lost strength it's easier to get back to 405
it just occurred to me that Ultra instinct it's some kind of a zenkai boost
Honestly, i like his solo videos better. Ion have fun watching his collabs
Huh, I've never really thought of Cell's power-up as being a zenkai boost.
Well, he is part saiyan.
I thought he blatantly said he was able to get that strong afterwards because of his being part saiyan. ... Imma go check it out now
Geek you've been on a role.....ty for all your hard work!
What about the end credits song from the og Dragonball "oooo-oooo miracle zenkai power"
Goku tournament of power. He got threw around by Jiren then ended up making Jiren go 100% by the end of the tournament
Why did Goku Black remain Super Saiyan Rosé in Xenoverse 2 after Captain Ginyuu took over his body?
I think the reason cell came back so strong was because of how BADLY he was damaged. Vegeta had a hole blown through his stomach, but cell was vaporized down to tiny particles. So, cell had to recover from more than any saiyan ever had to, meaning he'd get a bigger boost than any saiyan ever got. That's my theory, anyways
I don't believe the Cell thing was a Zenkai boost. Remember Cell is an Android first and foremost. His technology goes all the way down to his cell level, hence the name Cell.
My headcanon for explaining how he was able to get stronger after blowing up Goku and King Kai is this:
Cell is made up of DNA and studies of Goku before he went to Namek and became a Super Saiyan. Evidence of this is Dr Gyro didn't know about Super Saiyan when they fought Goku. So that part of Goku's DNA wasn't in the computer system that Cell came from. This is why Cell also couldn't use Instant Transmission at first. But when Cell blew up Goku, his cells managed to absorb Goku's new present timeline DNA to update the old pre Namek Saga Goku DNA they had on record. This is why Cell after absorbing and Updating his Goku DNA was now aware of Instant Transmission and able to use it, and also able to tap into Super Saiyan, hence the Yellow aura Cell had when he came back.
It makes sense. It wasn't a Zenkai boost. It was a update on his Goku DNA in his cell database.
I like that headcanon
I was about to be like “wait what about BROLY” when y’all were discussing cell saying “strongest zenkai” but then I didn’t hear the “strongest zenkai-in Z”
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Didn't Cell also not even 17 inside him anymore because he used his bomb? So his zenkai boost was practically on base form Cell to Super Perfect Cell. Am I missing something here?
Goku has a few Zenkais in TOP
I’d have to say it was caulifla in the TOP reaching Super saiyan 2 and being able to put up a fight with super saiyan god goku
at the moment i was thinking when he's going to upload, he did wtf
Deja vu
Goku chilling in that Ozarka Water bath in the machine is the biggest. Went straight to Friezas level 😎
Gohan who doesn't train > get rekt by buu > unlock his potential > Stronger than Buu/SSJ3 goku/SSJ3 Gotenk.
Fuck even before that gohan was the fifth strongest fighter,trained with his dad less than a year and became the strongest one there
This is not a zenkai
Not a zenkai boost.
seem like you guy don't even know what zenkai boost is, even after watch the video?
@@NatsuDragneel-iy7hr Other way around. You don't know what a zenkai is. Gohan getting his potential unlocked is not a Zenkai boost.
I always viewed the spirit bomb struggle with Jiren that triggered Ultra Instinct Omen as a zenkai boost, and near the end of T.O.P. when he does it for the last time. If those points in the battle with Jiren could be considered zenkai boosts, they would dwarf every other boost in the series by a huge margin. Jiren was slapping around SSB Kaioken x20 like nothing, and ended up getting defeated by Goku less than half an hour later lol. That may be the transformation at work, but I do also wonder if a zenkai boost is what enabled the transformation to happen in the first place.
The Spirit Bomb's energy acted in place of Goku's exhausted body. Essentially it means its power became Goku's own power for his body, temporarily. That kind of explicit comment from Whis, tells you that it is not a Zenkai boost. Zenkai's have a definition. Getting some degree of power, whether temp or from Guru's hand isn't the definition of a Zenkai boost. The fucking shit is a Sayian trait.
Not a 'ball of energy -given-by-another-person-like-vegeta' boost. tf Might as well have vegeta throw energy at goku, and goku do the damn same and call it a Zenkai boost am I right? Cause that is the literal shit that people seem to be crapping out.
Nowadays, though, Zenkai's have little impact with statements from tori like 'They get stronger as they fight' which kind goes against the "Power from recovery" Which is what Zenkai naturally is. I don't think UI allows for some sweet and grand healing. So no, I don't think it contributed at all to his ability to become UI or there afterwards. Considering he fought for a good time against Kale and them afterwards. I'd say they would likely be a more reasonable culprit for his raise to power, then the tiny fight with Jiren.
Whis gives the details. I think a lot of you guys keep forgetting that the words 'Breaking his limits' isn't just something thrown out there. Everyone knows about the whole 'Limit breaking deal' I'm sure that could easily clear up everything all on it's own. Besides, the Legendary Limit breaking status would be way better then Zenkai anyway in a short case. Obviously not in the long run since Zenkai is a permanent thing, unlike the temporarily limit breaks Goku has had.
7:02 i thought the 180k was WITH X2 Kaioken, leaving base at 90k.'
It was.
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Lesson: *NEVER* attempt to slap the shit out of a saiyan or he'll make you into vegetable juice
Get it hehe
I mean you can kill them
Now I have the thought of someone slapping Vegeta to death LMAO
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Do a video about the zenkai boosts in the tournament of power because they got really strong over that 48 minutes
Cells Zenkai, went from MSSJ level to stronger then SSJ2.
so just 2X? not that big
Regarding Cell, I remember something about him absorbing part of Goku's body after self destructing and that being why he had Instant Transmission after. His was at least more than double as he couldn't hit Gohan SSJ2 or damage him before, yet after exploding, he was on par. That was at least a 3-5x boost, 10 maybe if we want to stretch it. That's a lowball still though as SSJ Gohan was still in the ballpark of cell's power, he just didn't want to fight him so even though he was close to his power, he didn't use it. Still, Goku's in the namek saga is still the biggest in terms of single boost.
Goku's power level in the Ginyu Saga was actually 900,000. Goku stated in chapter 270 of the manga that he could do the kaioken technique up to x10. Base Goku's power level when he fought ginyu was 90,000. Remember Goku only did a x2 kaioken during his fight his Ginyu.
So....
Base Goku = 90,000
Goku x2 Kaioken =180,000
Goku x10 Kaioken = 900,000
And form 4 Freeza started out at around 4 million, and Goku could barely keep up with him with kaioken 20x, so he might have only doubled in power with the zenkai
um shh plz guys.were talking about base goku.
goku(vs ginyu force)-90k
goku(vs frieza)-3mil
frieza(final form)-4mil
frieza(serious)-20mil
goku(kiaokenx20)-60mil
frieza(final form more serious)-65 mil
goku(spirit bomb)-100 mil
frieza(final form FP)-120 mil
goku(super saiyan)-150 mil
Frieza powered up to 50% (60,000,000) after bragging about using only "1%" power. Goku went Kaioken x10 at that time when he was getting rolled over by Frieza. And went Kaioken x20 when he was fighting back from being dunked in the Namekian sea
12:12 Actually the Gohan in M10 Never neglected his Training he is way stronger than he was as a Kid.
Zenkai's are strong but it's nothing compared to the power of plot and even that is not as strong as the power of geekdom
Yep what is the most powerful power-boost you would ever have and geekdom in the other hand is close to Akira toriyama's power 😑
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Not sure I'd agree with Cell's boost being the strongest, but I suppose it would be when you just consider it in raw numbers, rather than proportionally. Goku on Namek became more than 30x more powerful just by healing up in the tank. Regarding Perfect Cell, you have to consider that SSJ2 is double the power of SSJ1, not even as much when compared to SSJ Grade 4 which Gohan was in when fighting Cell initially. Perfect Cell was stronger than Gohan before SSJ2 and about the same as SSJ2 Gohan after coming back. At most, he could have doubled his power there.
You should react to the dbza 60.
Pretty sure the tower thing was more hinting towards goku climbing it twice was what boosted his power, korin dropping his ball as one example and then not letting tao run back down so he didn't get any extra gains
Vegeta the best. Base vs kk
Exactly he is the best
What
brandon g kaio-what?!
I like begeta as much as the next man but how is his base same as kaioken I mean what version...? Base vegeta Vs base goku kaioken x2 ??? Explain
Explain sir
Another thing about the cell example
It’s pretty well established that regenerating takes a fair amount of energy to do so it’s possible that we don’t even see the full extent of his power because regeneration still would’ve taken a lot out of him