Here is Why Lexus Reliability is GONE!
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- čas přidán 26. 09. 2023
- Is Lexus worth it and is Lexus one of the most reliable cars still? Well...there are a lot of updates to the lineup and the field of Lexus cars and I'm going to review how Lexus reliability is today. We'll go through Lexus SUVs and Lexus cars, and we'll walk through some of the things that might bite you in terms of reliable car ownership.
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Even if totaled in a junk yard, a Toyota product surpasses the reliability of a German auto.
I maintain a 10-years-old VW with inline-5 cylinders and 9-years-old bmw x5 with inline-6 cylinder. Nothing breaks down ever. Basically all my friends are driving Mercedes and BMW.
You people just don't know how to maintain a German car. Period. Don't blame the vehicle. It is your ignorance and negligence.
@@zwang9616 I had a 5 speed manual BMW 325i and was surprised how well it held up after 2 years of driving it, I believe I got 70% of my original purchase price when I resold it. And, due to German technology, it got me laid in California!
toyota does not match german engineering though, german cars are very refined. Toyota. No
German cars have more gadgets that eventually fail if that’s ur definition of “refinement”.
Americans just dont know how to service german cars.
With the price of parts and repairs, I'll take Reliability all day long. Bling, fancy, and power have it's cost. Great for when I was younger and the cost of things were more normal, but today, I just want to get where I'm going and keep my money in my pocket.
Best get a 23 with a normally aspirated engine before it’s all gone
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True. There's a price to being able to be the first car to the next red light.
@@patrik4656I feel like if every car was 100% perfect then cars would look rather boring thus, no one will buy them. I kinda feel that if this is the direction we're going into these following years then, we might as well use a bike.
Lexus is a Great Japanese Brand .. A great reliable vehicles but I think they messed up by putting a 4 cyl turbo engines on a heavier SUV s like RX and other models
agree 100%!
The downfall started from the new sienna
@@donnad3133 As the owner of a 2004 Sienna I bought new in 2004, I fully agree. What a pile of steaming...garbage. THAT was the car that convinced me to go back to the older models, because cable throttles and not having a computer for every damned thing, is just SO much better to live with. I currently have a '92 Lexus, a '91 Honda, and a '97 Toyota, and I couldn't be happier.
Glad i get the previous model instead of the new one.
Dude again, really impressed with your presentation and passion. I've always been very critical of your post, especially when bimmers were the subject. However, I am happy you're still coming with really good content. Toyota/Lexus does turbo differently and better than all other brands. Trust, they will always be more reliable, as much as they will always lack high and performance. That's just a nature of this beast. And I prefer reliability over performance any day. Keep the debates coming brother. Blessings.
Toyota/Lexus have turbocharging experience in their IS and NX platforms with 2.0t engine for a couple of years already. Consumer Reports has not reported any major issues with these vehicles. Introduction of 2.4t engine in 2022 for redesigned NX350 can raise some concerns but the engine is not totally new, it's rather evolutionary change. Again nothing major was reported for 2022-23 NX350 running 2.4t engine. It is the same engine that is used in 2024 RX350 (non-hybrid trim). Yes, it's new but not really.
I watched this video assuming you are going to report something specific (engine failure/design issue) but instead you make a lot of trivial assumptions about Toyota new engines without much data, mostly blah blah new engines, OMG. So this video is essentially a clickbait Scotty Kilmer style....
Thank you! That’s what I was thinking too, I mean Toyota has waited until recent years to shrink and turbocharge engines to test their reliability and now in 2023 complaining about turbo engines and their reliability, I do admit tho that a small v8 engine even if turbocharged from lexus would be nice.
In all fairness these engines will require a bit more maintenance and a bit less reliability, but I am sure that Toyota knows what they’re doing.
Yes I think it was just a content strategy. I feel like he's made this video multiple times and they all piggyback off of Scotty kilmers keywords so the algorithm feeds it
😂Scotty 2.0
@@ihavebecomedeathdestroyero3234 2:36 😊
A naturally aspirated engine is always going to be more reliable and last longer than a boosted engine.
I would generally agree. Less fun but longer lasting
I think all car makers have just decided the days of 200-300k mile vehicles are over. They're now designing cars to only last 150k miles.
So when do you think that stopped? because I haven’t seen any evidence of that in the Japanese brands
@@ChristiannTylertoyota build quality was straight up legendary in the 1990s. By that, I mean half-a-million to one-million-mile Toyotas from this era were more common than Toyotas from nowadays despite being treated roughly. Toyota isn’t the same as it used to be at all, but it’s still the most consistently reliable car brand out there. Planned obsolescence has definitely taken a bit of a grip on newer Toyota products though, and with emissions laws pushing automakers to go for smaller engines and higher MPG’s, Toyota doesn’t really have a choice. The Japanese are rather conservative, and they would’ve continued making their big, old, yet incredibly reliable engines if they had the choice (especially nowadays).
Yea they’re just tablets that happen to drive now lol
I always avoid Turbo engines. My new Rav4 is naturally aspirated, fortunately. I think that they did that to lower emissions.
Turbo diesels are good
@@ck6553 He's right. a 4 cylinder turbo has less emissions than a 6 cylinder naturally aspirated. I heard the same thing, Toyota did it to meet emissions not because they were all gung ho on turbo charging. I bought a 2023 ES350, V6 naturally aspirated. Glad I didn't wait for them to kill off the V6 on that model.
"They" didn't want it, they were forced to do it by the government.
Absolutely reliable, but pain in the sss to maintain. Especially VW Audis.@@WayToManyAssassins
Not emissions…but for gas mileage improvements that turbos offer.
I don't blame Lexus, I blame the EPA
Its not the EPA, cigarette manufacturers just pass the tax to the consumer. The car manufactures enjoy the emission standards because it keeps out Chinese cars.
@@mikeiceewhat is EPA?
I don't blame the tall tree, I blame gravity....SIGH 🤣
Exactly, I work for Lexus. That’s exactly what it is
@@mikeicee so youre just suppose to sell products at loss or break even? yeah ok
I prefer the styling and other changes with the new RX-350, but not the turbo 4 cylinder. The 6 cyl was known for power and good reliability the 4cyl will have to work harder generating more engine heat from the turbo add on's. It is a trend to go for smaller engines with turbo's, but I would have preferred they retain the 6cyl. Its true what you say they want to be innovative and show their vehicles are evolving and being updated. Time will tell on reliability. Thank you for another punchy very relevant report!
The people forcing them to comply with climate change rules have caused this. Emissions issues.
@@boxoffisaepa ruining cars
@@donnad3133 exactly. And it’s sad. Yet we have other ways to solve the problem.
It’s the added pressure the turbos create.
@@boxoffisaspot on
I agree. My observations can only confirm this. Reliability is a dying breed and we will trade reliability for a little efficiency
I'm hanging on to my last gen RX350 with the naturally aspirated 3.5L V6 engine. Not switching to the tiny-turbos. You described the problem perfectly. Turbos are fine to lease, but if you're buying "long term", do your homework...
Very happy I pulled the trigger on a 2022 RX450H, 3.5L V-6 hybrid, combined 308 hp. Very pleased with the quality, always bought new Fords, never again
Exactly! Me too. I’m keeping my 2018 RX 350 and not upgrading.
Keeping my 2016 RX 350… as long as I can. Once they start messing around with the “turbo “ crap…. goes downhill. EPA or not… the RX engine had been one of THE most reliable engines for many years now…. If it isn’t broken.. don’t fix it….. unless of course the government steps in… then everything is $&@“?$
@@tamarahough1241how long have you had it for
@@habebs7345hi there. I’ve had my Lexus since 2018 bought it brand new.
In 2022 we were looking for an RX350 AWD and decided to go with a CPO 2019 model because it had the naturally aspirated 3.5 V6. Fortunately, we found one with only 15K miles. We will drive the wheels off of it.
Jongkuk from turbo : hold my Weight plates
2018 and newer nx300 models, 4-cyl turbo, have done incredibly well. I've found several examples of local 200k+ vehicles without engine, or any other issues. The Internet also seems to report no issues with these engines, even though experts claimed their complexity would lead to issues. One auto vlogger researched reliability on these vehicles and was unable to find any common engine related issues. I believe that Toyota has done their homework and seems to know how to, for the most part, design reliable turbo charged engines.
Nx model it’s lighter thank RX ; but Toyota has been doing turbo On older Supra and other models, also maintenance is key factor when it comes to reliability
@@marcosbravo87 Indeed, maintenance is key. I change my synthetic oil at half the interval specified by Lexus - 8,000kms rather than 16,000kms. An extra hundred bucks a year could save thousands down the road.
Turbos are more maintenance intensive and would fail more easily and catastrophically without meticulous maintenance
too expensive.
The rules of physics have not changed. A turbo engine is not as reliable as a NA one. US and UK lawmakers are pretty much banning the NA engine. Is Toyota/Lexus to go out of business or adapt? Compared to the other cars in its class, Toyota/Lexus will continue to dominate reliability. Why? Because of their culture and morals. Something most of us forgot about.
It is a solvable engineering problem. All commercial trucks are turbocharged.
@@gordonschiff3621 You mean turbo diesel? Apples and oranges.
I have a 2009 Lexus GS 350 with 392,000 miles. Needs a new paint job seats are tearing apart, but the car still going. I’m not gonna lie best car I’ve ever owned.
Acura tlx : hold my ninja dagger
Say no more!
They will still dominate other brands after some fine-tuning and incremental improvements. Turbos generally ruined reliability as we know it - period.
That’s your opinion? I think they look alright
It is too early to say....?
I just bought a V6 N/A because i know they wont be around for long..
Meanwhile, 1.9 tdi with more than a million KM are everywhere
@@TheBiggestCrazyDuck Are they diesel? Def the exception to the rule I guess.
To soon to tell. Lexus is Lexus. BMW is not Lexus. Never had long term reliability. Neither MB. I will sit on my Lexus 4 year warranty and see how things play out. No need to run around yelling the sky is falling at this time.
Well said absolutely agree.. way too early too tell .. it’s a Lexus ..
Lexus doesn’t matter…it’s still a car brand, and it could be unreliable, time will tell. I’ll tell you one thing, my 2013 X5 35i has 178,000 miles, still running strong, no issues except changing tires and doing basic maintenance.
The truth is that there has been a paradigm shift in the entire market and the quality of vehicles across the board has occurred and the emphasis is on gouging customers for as much as they can squeeze. They have realized they don't need to worry about quality because people are lined up to buy their products and there simply isn't enough competition. That's why prices have skyrocketed and yet you still can't find many cars in stock.
Or quality vehicles
yep, even toyota has cut corners w/ its first american release of its forever-flagship, the Crown model! Incredible to me that they cut corners on it. And the color scheme of the test cars is repulsively bad, like a teen boy's bad taste choice, it's truly ridiculous. !
@@18_rabbit Interesting, I didn't know that. I've seen a couple on the road and while they look pretty nice I don't understand the reason for another car model?
A turbo engine from Lexus will never be as reliable as its naturally aspirated predecessor, granted, but I think it is a bit of a stretch to label them generally unreliable just because it has one of those spinny thingies. The 8AR family of engines have been used by Lexus since at least 2014. Its small capacity, relatively high tech, turbo charged, and bulletproof. My wife has been driving the wheels off an NX300 with the 8AR-FTS for the past 3 years. Zero mechanical sympathy. But still, to date, zero problems.
"zero mechanical sympathy" meaning what??
@@18_rabbitGoogle is your friend. I can’t be bothered to explain commonly accepted terminology or write up a blow-by-blow analysis.
I have three Lexus cars. An RCF with a high strung V8, an RX450h and a 2019 IS350 F-Sport. All of them have been super reliable. Even my RCF with modded 530 crank hp has had zero issues.
People seem to forget turbo engines are nothing new. Toyota has had turbo engines for decades. The early issues with the Tundra engine were due to faulty actuators for the wastegate and fairly limited in scope but it caught a ton of social media attention and made the issue seem bigger than it was. Now I’ve read numerous complaints on interior quality issues with the new Tundra and think unfortunately as a whole quality in the automotive industry is declining but that’s another discussion entirely. Back to the turbo engines do they have increased heat and pressures, sure, but do you think the engineers don’t know that and design them accordingly? They do have more moving parts as a whole and therefore more potential failure points but again as u mentioned time will tell overall long term reliability. I think if anyone can do it it’ll be Toyota/Lexus and they’ll make incremental improvements over time to really refine it. On a personal note I had a 2011 Tundra with the 5.7L that dropped a valve at 88,000 miles destroying the engine. The 5.7L in general had some common issues as well so simplicity doesn’t guarantee reliability.
Thanks
that's weird, one of my customers has a 2009 tundra with the 5.7 and it has over 400k miles, everything original. and he beats on it, towing more than ita designed to tow, hauling more than its supposed to haul, changing the oil with cheap conventional oil etc
Do t forget the turbo 6 in the new tundra was having waste gate issues right off the get go
Remember, This is all thanks to government mandated MPG standards. It wasn't the choice of Lexus/Toyota
NA is the only way to go 1000% buying my last 2023 Toyota/Lexus V6 now before these no good Turbo comes out and I'll keep it for 20yrs until they realize they got to go back to NA Cars and no Turbos
That keeps things simpler for sure and less heat, less complexity equals less failure and less money going out
Another great vid with multiple takeaways... wishing you and yours the best M...✌️💚
Thank you kindly
People always forget that the same Toyota (Lexus) once upon a time built the glorious 2JZ GTE engine
Dude any non hybrid Toyota engine is kickass 👍
Got two Es 350's an 07 and an 08.They are like plug and play cars and almost indestructible. Can leave them for months , jump in them and they will go from Florida to NYC and back with no problems.
That 2.4 litre uses lot of old school tech to make it more solid rather than newer tech in the v6 turbo
Also the twin turbo v6 made in japan used in lx 600, land cruiser and ls500 have not had issues but the ones made in us have had them so lets see if they fix it
This is NOT accurate! Look up all of the engine issues in the Lexus forum for the LS500. Some customers with their engine throwing rods TWICE! So definitely a defect either with the engine design itself or with the assembly process, in Japan or otherwise.
A good reference point for turbocharged modern Toyota engines would be the 8AR as found in IS200t or the V35A found in an LS
GX550 gets exactly 1 more MPG, 17 MPG compared to the current V8 GX at 16 MPG combined. The extra complexity is not worth 1MPH. I think overall the new GX is bigger and that's not good for MPG or ease of driving in tighter areas, off road or in a parking lot.
Forecasted that same info last year based off then current tundra mpg info. Got my folks to grab a ‘23 GX instead. You’re getting a lot more TQ, yes, but at what cost. Will give them w few years …then if good, swap out our ‘16 GX. But I gotta say, it’s been stone reliable. I like that.
Well that's why they will also get the hybrid max from the tacoma like the landcruiser gets. That will get better mpg
@@beexiong2995mpg isn't everything
@@bb5242 i would go with the hybrid max. Better mpg is a huge plus
Non-turbo hybrid self-charging hybrid is all I would look at. Really great video.
Mark, love your review from Brisbane, Australia.
Is there any solid proof that these new turbo engines go bad shortly apart from the new Tundra. I don't hear the used model NX 200/300 which is using the turbo 2.0 comes with serious problem still.
I was surprised to see Lexus is doing the turbo small engine thing and also going cheap (plastic valve covers, etc).
Nice Review ! Yeah, Turbochargers Definitely Have Their Faults When it Comes Down To Reliability. I Have A Wait & See Mentality On The Next Generation Lexus, Especially The New GX550 !! 😉👌💯
Thank you for your great comments and point of views ! We’re a Toyota & Lexus family we just replaced our 2017 Lexus’s for 2022’s knowing V8 is gone in the GX and the V6 is gone in the RX. We will keep these vehicles until the tires fall off. I believe personally, that Lexus sales will be down because of the new changes but they still make a beautiful vehicle. I know the reliability is there or I would hope so, but not sure about the longevity. As you said, we do have to embrace change and I agree, but I’m not quite ready yet Lol.
Everyone forced to go 4 cylinder..emissions
I’ve owned 4 Lexus and currently drive a 2021 RX350 with a NA V6 3.5l engine. I dislike the look of the new models and the engine options so when it comes the time to upgrade I will probably look to another brand now 😢
I completely agree with you, I would like to see this 2.4 letter pulling a 3500Lbs campaign trailer up hill in Canada or USA and see how long that engine will last. I know Toyota claiming 5000Lbs towing capacity but I think this engine is too small for that.
Get serious. All long haul commercial trucks have turbos. It is a solvable issue.
turbos are literally made for torque and heavy loads.... that's the whole point
I think people are getting confused with turbos diesel and turbos v4 and v6. If you want your truck or suv to tow especially through the mountains I would recommend a diesel. That much strain on a non diesel turbo engine will cause you problems specially if you tow a lot.
All these smaller displacement turbo engines that most manufacturers are going to seems to be a trend and any sound minded person who knows engines realizes that forced induction means reliability problems which equals expensive fixes. I will
Never buy a vehicle that is turbo charged if i want it to last.
Exactly
Turbos NEVER are more reliable than a simple NA engine...
anything with turbo dont buy... unless you do timely oil changes at 2500 miles and dont just cut off the engine when finished driving give it a minute so the oil can drain from the turbo and when starting it you must let it get warmed up dont just take off
Exactly
I don't want turbocharged engines or all wheel drive. It's more costly in the long run with those items added on. I like my front wheel drive inline 4 cylinder car every day of the week.
as Scotty always suggets us!
I like my normally aspirated V6 and RWD GS 350 😊
Greetings from a fellow Canadian. I enjoy jour insightful videos. Keep it up.
You’re an excellent speaker. Good flow 👍
Like you said, they like proven technology. My wife had a 2017 IS 2.0 turbo. That was almost 8 yrs ago. They know exactly what they're doing by now👍
Excellent review - Thx! I'm not a fan of turbos, esp. living in the U.S. Sunbelt (Southern Ariz.). Heat is probably the greatest wear factor on an engine & turbos get Hot. I'm all for naturally-aspirated engines. One of the greatest is the inline-6 - naturally smooth without the need for balancers as in a V-6. Only 54K miles on my '98 SC300 & it runs like new. Besides all due maintenance, I never load a cold engine, i.e., I always drive gently for the first few miles after a cold start, before hard acceleration.
I just bought a 2022 Lexus ES250 AWD, how is the reliability on these engines?
ECPP, Mark, we recently completed our approximate 6500+ km very pleasurable, grand trip though the Canadian Maritime Provinces with our three year old extremely reliable, trouble free Lexus RX450h. Iriving Oil made for very easy refueling even in some places on our trip where in some of the rural parts we traveled, refueling seemed less than promising. The RX gasoline hybrid's range (humourously, even) well exceeded our bladder capacities. We also have a full BEV at home, but in some of the places that we visited in the maritimes, despite my curiosity and search, we couldn't find recharging sites or if we did, the rechargers weren't functional. My wife was especially pleased that we didn't have to worry about recharging on this Maritime trip. So we both personally aren't sorry that Toyota won't be abandoning gasoline yet, and based on this recent trip, we plan on the purchase of a new RX350h hybrid to replace our BEV. So for both of us Lexus is worth it, and extremely reliable, worry-free, too, in our experience. Perhaps, like you did recently with your BMW apology, you might need to say about Lexus, "I may be wrong about Lexus".
I love my 2011 GX.... last of the 4.6 V8s.... it will outlast me...
Tacoma is their bread and butter. Will be interesting to see how it fares on the new platform with a turbo four.
I like turbos in my tinkering/toy cars but I would never even consider a turbo in an appliance car.
Great video Mark
Very thoughtful Analysis
I’m sharing this video with family and friends I hope everyone else does the same
My best wishes always from Las Vegas Craig
Bravo
Thank you very much Craig, hope your week is going great. Been thinking g about taking a trip to Vegas upcoming as weather is cooling off here
In all honesty, It's take the NA Toyota engines any day.. None of their cars or trucks were dogs.. Fuel economy was certainly an issue, but the positives far outweigh the negatives 👌
I just bought a 2023 Toyota Corolla LE Hybrid AWD. Love it. Toyota and Lexus are great, and I hope they stay that way.
AWD vehicles have a very expensive feature. When time to change a tire or two out, all four need to be replaced. I didn’t realize this about AWD when I purchased my wife’s vehicle recently.
@DeflectionForYou ive owned fwd, rwd, 4wd, and awd vehicles. Ive always replaced all the tires because i rotated them at the right interval. The only sad instance is when a tire unexpectedly pops and you have to replace all if the rest are worn.
@@venictos That makes sense but it’s still an unnecessary risk when 2WD vehicles don’t require that.
I love the Genesis GV80 grill, but I have never loved the Lexus grills. If Genesis had Lexus’ naturally aspirated V6 and dedicated sales and service centers, it would be perfect.
So I ride in my friend's 2022 RAV 4 and I can not wait to get out of it and back in
my Lincoln because my back hurts.
Cheers
I was in the market for a new(er) car over the next year, but I was given a fully loaded 2019 Lexus NX300h by my parents with 11k miles on it. They told me to sell it or trade it, but I decided to get rid of my 2016 Audi Q5 and keep the Lexus although getting rid of my Audi was bittersweet. I wanted more HP and a sportier ride, but with gas prices for premium in California now over $6.50 gal, what I like about this Lexus is that it uses regular gas and it's a hybrid. When looking at the model, I found out the non-hybrid version uses a 2.0 turbo 4 cylinder and requires premium gas. So, it looks like Lexus has been using turbos for a while.
I know 2 guys that bought the twin turbo Tundra and got rid of them and bought 2022 V8 Tundra because the V8 got better gas mileage when in heavy use.
The twin-turbo V6 follows a pattern for Toyota/Lexus. They introduced the V35A in the LS500 back in 2018(IIRC) It was a low-volume car for Lexus, and they were able to sort through some problems. Very typical for Lexus to try out technology in the LS/high end models.
Now, they re-tuned it for the Tundra and it had it's lumps, no doubt about it.
When the old 3.5 liter V6 came out(2GR engines) in 05, they took their lumps too for a few years. Once they got past 4-5 years the 2GR got dialed in pretty well.
I hope the same can be true with the 2.4 turbo 4 and 3.4 turbo as both are hitting the 5 year mark and Toyota Lexus is opening up the engines to all their models
I trust the 2.4L turbo. It's in my wife's 2023 highlander, and after 5K miles, it's been solid. I know thats a small sample size, but i have faith that it will last. If it goes at 200K, then fine, just replace the turbo..
@@venictos who knows at this point, it's still pretty new. 21 NX was the first year. I heard it's based on the 2.0, so not radically new.
It is a I-force engine. Their cooling systems are MUCH more complicated. Plastic electric thermostats to boot.
Can't see them being as cheap to maintain as the V6, just with the added parts/complexity
@@brianday13plastic electronic thermostat on the 2.4? Uhhh ..You've never worked on one of those or seen it on a stand have you?
@@LoneWolfSparty you're correct. I mistook it for the A25A, didn't double check before posting
@@brianday13 I've worked on a few of these -- most of the stuff that's gone wrong with them so far have been customer induced (i.e customers breaking the engine cover trying to remove it because they don't like them) or other silly things like their teenage kid pulling the hose off the waste gate because they like the sound it makes 😂🤦🏽
In Lexus I trust! When the new coupe comes out it will be in my stable next to my Lexus GsF and E46 M3 currently on jack stands 😂
I love my little reliable analog inline-6 N52 128i coupe w/ M sport pkg. I plan to drive it until 500,000 miles
Lexus foolishly ditched V6 jewel engine and caved into the climate crazies and ruined their cars forever. They also ditched their smooth V8. All while jacking up their car prices to BMW and Mercedes price levels.
MB and BMW are still more expensive than Lexus.
Look at a Toyota window sticker and a Lexus window sticker... neck ro neck they close to each other...
Funny I just bought a 23 Lexus with a v 8
The government requires the car manufacturers to have a certain average MPG for their fleet. As the years go by the requirement becomes tougher to meet so the engine sizes have to come down, with the tech that goes into the smaller engine to squeeze more power going up. Not really Toyota's fault or choice (or any other car company).
I am planning to get NX350H+ 2023 2.5L 4 inline hybrid engine. The engine is Naturally aspirated. Is it reliable ?
Yes it is still quite reliable. The hybrid itself does add some complexity
What's your opinion on the Lexus LS series? Not the old ones🎹🎶
What about the melting, cracking dash covers with missing chunks, even in the Lexus? So many not replaced because the warranty had expired but still late models. Seems like Toyota could have done the right thing on replacement dash covers on anything at least under 5 or 6 years old.
Their interiors have always been shit. It’s not just the dashboards.
People have their own preferences but me I am a true gearhead. I like naturally aspirated V8s but I also like twin turbo V6s or twin turbo inline 6s. They all have their pros and cons. Turbocharged cars can last as long as naturally aspirated V8 cars. They just need extra care. That's all. I know the early twin turbo V6s will have many problems but with time, Lexus will perfect them and they will be just as reliable and hopefully Toyota makes a rear wheel drive Camry with a twin turbo V6s. That would be awesome.
That would be great. It would be cool to see a rear wheel drive or AWD Camry TRD with a twin turbo V6 making 400+ horsepower. It will finally able to line up and keep up neck and neck with an Audi RS3 at least.
They will never be as reliable since there are more parts in that that WILL break or wear out sooner or later. The turbo is a more complicated engine no matter what you do.
How is the 2018 year for the 2.0t is300 ? I'm about to get one.
Hey please can you tell me what reliable car you recommend for family 7 seater ? Any brand and price
Honda Pilot 6 cylinder
That LC500 is a definite future classic, built to last.
Yes, I remember well when Toyota went away from the 22R. Nothing they make will ever compare, they wont hold up, on and on. Well time has proven to me they kept making great cars, I believe they still do. That's where my money goes.
What about the 2018+ LS500 with the twin turbo 3.6? Is it questionable too or has it proven out properly Lexus in reliability?
lexus and toyota reliability will never be gone. While perfection in terms of workability is impossible, toyota is the closest. They have thousands of engineers who work a problem for countless hours, so any complaint one might have about their decisions , trust me, you do NOT know more than those engineers who’ve been working on cars for 20+ years. As a mechanical engineer myself it infuriates me when an average joe criticizes a decision a talented and experienced engineer makes. You don’t know what tools were in their tool box and what they requirements/specifications/deadlines they had
I have a 2005 ES 330 and recently drove a new Lexus and the quality was night and day. The cabin rattled and there was lots of plastic everywhere. Cheaper all the way around.
How much was the new model???
The lc and ls is amazing 🤩.
Does the new NX have the same drive train as the last year model?
Th LS500 is an example of this. The Turbo engine ruined that car. Nothing like the LS 430 and the naturally aspirated v8. The ES 350 is the way to go right now.
It will be fine. Change the oil regularly with the correct type designed for turbo engines.
Reliability is taking a hit due to ever changing CAFE standards. I still own a 2017 Lexus ES 350 as its been rock solid over the past 6yrs and only has 48k miles. Sure, It may not be a canyon carver, but I’ve been there, done that with past vehicles. Now I just want something comfortable and reliable, yet still has some punch when you floor it.
Your Lexus ES350 is literally a Toyota Avalon with a $5k badge. And “ever changing CAFE standards” aren’t the reason why some automakers are having reliability problems. Bad engineering is bad engineering, and it’s not like turbochargers are a new thing. The Big Three tried blaming CAFE and the Clean Air Act in the 1980s for their quality problems.
@@ClockworksOfGLpeople who say Lexus are literally Toyota's are clueless.
Almost all car brands are "rock solid" with only 45k miles. It's when they pass the 100k mark that really sets the brands apart for reliability.
Time will tell the reliability of work horse never expect the reliability we had any old one natural aspirated is gold.
I have a 2022 NX 350. It has been repaired 3 times. I bought this car brand new. I never expected this from Lexus. Disappointed is an understatement.
I just bought a 2024 es350. I didnt want to run the risk of the new turbo 4. Love the car and would recommend to anyone. The newer radio without the touch pad has been great so far.
I'm looking at these as well. The prices are sky high, though. I could pay cash for a new one or maybe find a'21 or '22, but what I've noticed is that many used ones have been in fender benders. I think it may be due to elderly drivers--it's crazy how many have 30k miles but have been in a couple accidents.
@bb5242 it's crazy to think I paid 38k 3 years ago for a es 350 luxury. This year the same car was over 50 and that was considered a deal.
@@bb5242 most are small. The biggest problem if you don’t service the oil change at 5k they burn the seals on the cylinder head. It was recommended for 10k miles an oil change now we are back at 5k due to light cylinders seals to add a fraction of a mile to mpg. I also wanted to get a slightly used mode but the lack of oil changes even in just 30k can take a 100k of life off the car
@@bb5242 prices are high being new if you can find one with 10k or 15k the permanent where might not be so bad. If you only want 100k or 150k I wouldn’t worry so much but by 100k they will burn oilq
Let's hope there are only some teething issues and that's all. It would be a real shame for Toyota/Lexus to lose their crown.
Keeping my GS 350 with the NA V6 for a loooong time. Most new Lexus models are boring, most with rattly 4-cylinder engines and riding on front wheel drive econobox platforms.
The new NA 2.5 engine has a tiny problem apparently. The electrical water pump might stop functioning suddenly without warning causing engine overheating and you know the rest. The 3.5 V6 has a belt driven water pump so it doesn’t have that problem.
I own an 06 lexus ls430 and 2011 rx350. Never plan on selling either vehicles nor interested in any turbo v4. Newer does not equate to better. Cheers buddy!
Nice
Being an RX50 V6 owner no F ing way I'm paying 80k for a 4 banger lol
Same
Why are they switching to a 4cyl turbo and hybrid for a big truck like that? Is it government related?
Indeed it is
@@ECPP I smell a scam. Maybe it's because they know people will pay for repairs which in return I'll make the government more money. I don't see how Honda got away with putting a V6 in their new pilots.
Remember when people said hybrid toyotas weren't going to be reliable? They actually rank higher than their NA counterparts. I'm sure toyota has done their homework
One of the biggest issues with the old turbo was the electronic waste gate .
Paired with the new 2023 RX 4 cylinder is a turbo with vaccumm power.
Simple old school design.
On the new RX engine cover on the engine is an air flow design that directs
air over the turbo cooling even more.
Again simple but highly effective.
Four cylinders are here to stay folks, its all about updated government emmissions .
This is the way it is , and will stay this way until everyone is driving electric.
Lexus knew this years back.
Lexus cant afford to screw this up, they put a lot into these new engines.
Electric cannot be scaled wide, especially how it is now.
A turbo 4 will have good power and economy when done right it will never sound as good as v6 or be as quiet as v6
The least reliable Toyota is still 10x more reliable than most of these other car brands!
Landline phones were very reliable and now we can’t live without smartphones. I trust Toyota and Lexus hybrids, they’ve been in the market forever.
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How many miles will a turbo engine last? The turbo puts so much stress on the engine they are on.
I have 70k miles on my 3.3T engine Genesis G90. No issues.
@@MrGeezil 70k is nothing you shouldn’t have any issues. I am talking 200/300k
@@robshaw2990 I have seen lot of post bashing turbo engines that they can’t even last 50k without an issue.
@@robshaw2990 I never keep cars untill 200k so I will probably never find out 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@MrGeezil that is good for you. There are a lot of people that do not have that luxury.
If I had to choose between a V4 or a V6 turbo engine I’d pick the v6 turbo. Those small v4 turbo engines are going to cause problems in these truck’s and suv’s.
i4, not v4
The V6 turbo is even worse. Look up all of the issues with the Tundra and LS500 on the forums. Definitely not an engine to recommend. You want a proven reliable turbo six, stick with BMW (B58), Genesis, or Mazda.
I've owned Lexus products for over 20 years with no problems. There is no other car company that can compete with its reliability. Look forward to my next one.
They are pretty solid
i often see acura rdx turbo suv for sale with bad turbos. the turbos are like $6k. when all these new turbos start to go bad, the customer is going to be in a bad mood
I think hybrid verses electric is the way to go. I hear these cars silently pass on pure electricity as I cross the street and think who needs a tesla. I like the idea of cable vs electric switch with the emergency brake. turbos increase power and reduce the life of the car. that is why i bought a used mustang gt v any eco model. not a big fan of turbos. we will see how quality plays out with these turbos. then again, it depends how you take care of the cars. plenty of f150 ecoboosts with v6 turbos that have 150k plus miles. would avoid any turbo. only time will tell.
This is exactly why I’m getting the ‘23 GX..last of the bulletproof V8, styling is dated, but I just don’t trust the turbo engines yet. IF ( big IF) the GX550 twin turbo V6 turns out to be reliable, maybe I’ll get a 2nd Lexus.
@dcleboski698 Friend, Facts you make the right Choice , nothing will take the place of a very good develop N/A V8 engine for torque and power ,especially a Lexus V8 engine, and besides, that could have save the V8 engine By re engineering it for more efficiency and power, plus they could just install there new develop DOHC 4.4 V8 engine by offering it N/A with 525 hp !! The only thing they had to do, is to shake down this new DOHC V8 engine ,to make sure it's Strong like the old V8 engine it would replace !! And they could still offer a cheaper model for people that only wanted to V6 Version, because you have to give people options 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪💪👍👍👍👍
I have a GX460 and know that they leak coolant and have transmission issues as they age. Those plastic radiators fail early and valley plate leak costs 2k. Every car has its quirks
With government regulations epa. Car manufacturers are forced to switch to 4cyl. Is putting everyone pretty much on the same playing field. 2023+ no V6, no V8 will be interesting on performance, quality, efficiency, reliability, longevity.
My concern will be the cooling system need to have a major upgrade.
BMW has not scrapped the S63 or N63 so not sure why Benz tossed the 4.0 turbo
The EPA keeps making the automakers hit higher MPG requirements.