Ukraine's Rare Homemade T-84 Tank is Better Than You Think
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In this video we’ll analyze Ukraine's very own domestically produced T-84 main battle tank. The T-80 tank series is largely responsible for keeping the lights on for Ukraine’s major tank factories but the actual abilities of the T-84 have been the subject of fierce debate. Let’s find out why the Ukrainian Government decided to sell the tank to the United States Army in 2003 and we’ll analyze its unique weapons, armor and combat doctrine.
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Written by Chris Cappy & Josh Simpson
Video Edited by Chris Cappy
In order to understand the Ukrainian T-84 we need to look at its history. In the 1980’s the Soviet Government set out to build a better version of the T-80 tank. It would be faster and run on a more efficient diesel engine. To pull this off, they hired the Kharkiv Morozov Design Bureau, a tank factory located in Ukraine’s 2nd biggest city. At the time Ukraine was still a part of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic which was a part of the Soviet Union. KMDB delivered in 1985 with the creation of the T-80UD main battle tank, which ran on a faster, more efficient 1,000 hp 6TD engine. The new tank was first publicly shown at the 1990 Moscow Victory Day Parade right in time for the total collapse of the Soviet Union a year later in 1991.
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These are the GOAT they're a fun conversation pieces for your place.
Next the Georgian Laika
TD= turbo diesel if you weren't sure or expect most idiots here to understand that.....most of us if you added a random pair of subscribers combined I.Q. it would be less than 100.......you gotta treat us all as though we are all developmentally "slow"
1987 baby
Bro! So does that mean the T72 is not a balanced barrel which allows it to hit targets actually while moving? But the standard T72 can't shoot on the move?????
and i bet that big lady w the sword was built by the n Koreans and they prob are the ones that helped them build the nukes the n Koreans have but im not a expert its just a hunch
The abyssmal reverse speed is pretty unique to russian Tanks AFAIK. Its probably their biggest flaw because tanks easily get into trouble but Russian ones don't get out of it easily. Its either reversing at 4 kph or turning around thus exposing their rear. Both horrible choices on a modern battlefield
yea the t80 doesnt have that problem it goes 10km/h in reverse i think? but thats why a t90m got captured because of its slow reverse speed
Yeah
T-80 isn't great either comparing to NATO tanks but its an improvement that does make a difference in actual combat
You must use the environment to survive.
there is no need for reverse comrade, our brave soldiers know the penalty for giving ground to the enemies of glorious Russia!
@@lowlevel9448 You do know that 10km/h is barely a brisk walk for most people, right?
They are capturing tanks faster than they can build them, no need to build whole tanks when Russia keeps donating them
Keep believing this nonsense, we'll have a hysterical laugh very soon when uki won't be a thing anymore.
@@antoniohagopian213 cope
@@antoniohagopian213 well Mr Putin said that would have happened in April... And here we are in December with Ukraine and its "Nazi government" that are still a thing 😉
on the other hand AFU donating western ATGMs and other stuff to russia that is very kind
Well ruzzians Tanks kinda sucks - maybe you saw the endless amounts of memes from flying turrets / Tanks.
The main and most important feature in my opinion that was overlooked is the 360 thermal imaging system for the commander. This is painfully absent on almost every single soviet tank and their upgraded counterparts.
It might not sound so crazy but the commander being able to properly survey the areas around the tank instead of having to use periscopes like on other soviet tanks helps immensely in situational awareness and in avoiding or responding to ambushes.
Yeah that difference in situational awareness would be... intense.
Crazy to think they're sending troops onto a modern day battlefield without at least semi-modern optics and early 2000's thermal imaging
@@lindgrenland I think it is a split between doctrine, and funding.
Doctrinally a tank commander should be focused ONLY on the enemy in front of them, from what I can tell they are trained and expected to essentially ignore the units beside them, that is the (equivalent to a) platoon commanders job from behind them (Thus even he only has to look in one direction). Everything else is either distracting, or demoralizing. If an ally is hit, ignore and kill what killed them. If an ally falls behind, charge forwards, the objective matters, not the team.
The other thing is the notorious lack of training and equipment budget for crews. Very few are professional crews, most are conscripts on rotation. Thermals were expensive, fragile, and complicated, and used rarely on anything else Russian those crews might have been exposed to. And so, would have been a truly unique piece of equipment requiring a whole extra level of training. This increases time and cost on top of the equipment cost, so probably better to leave it for the professionals and not waste the material even mounting one as it would only get in the way at that point.
Increasing a commander's situational awareness might be the real (other) step to next gen combat fighting vehicles
Imagine needing to pilot a tank alone and having the rest handled by an AI (That's insanely smart and responsive) able to detect thermal patterns relay info quickly and without fault, able to read the battlefield quickly, crunch all the numbers and create a winning battle solution, able to adapt and respond quickly to changing variables.
Having an ultra smart ai give you suggestions on what to do where to do it and when to do it would be so fkn insane
having it be connected to the Advanced Battle Management System and just cruch all the fkn raw ass data instantly would free up so much time for the crew to do something else
Imagine all the data points and variables it can calculate, imagine calculating enemy position, movement, numbers, range, loadout, and terrain surrounding. Imagine being able to deduce what weapon the enemy is using just by its thermal signature.
ofc you'd have to train it like crazy for it to be reliable, millions of (simulated) hours, and millions AI of generations, but it'll be worth it
@@lindgrenland Crazy? USSR buried more than 30 million people fighting a country that you can barely see on the World map unless you believe that Germans are super humans, with Aryan blood or that in USSR nobody gives a damn about human life. 🤨
@@RENO_K And that's right about when we send Kyle Reese back in time
T-84U and BM Oplot are different vehicles, people always get them mixed up. Only 10 T-84s were ever produced, they were rather an "experimental" transition model. And when it comes to the whole AFV production history in post soviet Kharkiv, the real MVP here is KhBTZ, they were designing and producing vehicles while we at KhKBM were picking our noses, one of the reasons i quit working for them a long time ago.
And you get them mixed up too. There are BM Oplot, BM Oplot-M, and export BM Oplot-T
You need to build american tanks.
@@user-km5kj8xh1x Іван, побудуй пластиковий танк.
Hey Chris! Thanks for highlighting ukrainian weapons! But you are talking about two different tanks: t - 84 Oplot(90-s tech) and BM Oplot, (which is a pretty deeply modernised t-84 - 2000s tech). T-84 indeed performed poorly during competition,but those made for Thailand were newer BM Oplot. Apparently the problem was solved long ago back in the 2000s. At least I haven't heard of problems with BM's autoloader.
U mean the deal that got canceled
@@tonyjoka2346 no,all 49 are in thai army
I was gonna say, I'm pretty sure the modern version he's talking about is the BM Oplot. That fucker is cool, and I'd bet it'll eat whatever an Abrams has to throw at it. They seem like really solid tanks
@@KuiperShainaeeeeh, the abrams would destroy it pretty easily.
@@KuiperShaina eeeem the best way for ANY MBT is to not get hit by anything at all... See Ukrainian war for clues
T-84 Oplot and BM Oplot are different vehicles. The T-84 went to competitions in Europe, BM Oplot was delivered to Thailand. BM Oplot is much more modern and perfect in everything. T-84 is the same T-80 UD with most of its systems but with a new welded turret. This is a transitional version and about 10 of them were made. On BM Oplot, all systems are new.
Perfect? LMAO, Abrams would easily blow it up.
@@igor_pavlovich Lmao, and than some guy would reload it with his own hands).
Ukrain fanboy: "perfect in everything" ... k2, ztz-99a, abrams m1a2 sep, leopard 2a7m, Kf51, t-14, Altay, Merkava V are laughing
@@Chungdol Bro tried to sneak the Armata in there 💀
@@Chungdol t-14 xd. U mean 1 1 0 tank? 1 at parade 1 at poligon and 0 in real comat.
It should be known that the Ukrainian tank crew that had manned the T-84 during the Tank Challenges for 2018 had been given the T-84 at the last second. It added to a number of tank operations failure.
In that case, them narrowly losing to a crew probably trained on an Abrams is even more embarrassing for the US...
@@vincentguttmann2231they would have been trained on a Soviet tank. Why would they have been trained on an Abrams?
@@liesson No, I meant that the Ukrainian team (which probably wasn't used to their tank) being only narrowly surpassed by the US team, which should have been trained on an Abrams, is even more embarrassing.
Now, if the Ukrainian team was previously trained in a T-84...
@@vincentguttmann2231 I imagine the T84 is almost identical to the T80. I think the technical issues were to blame for their poor performance.
@@liesson whether technical issues or slightly suboptimal training, it is an absolute EMBARRASSMENT for the Americans...
Sadly he didn't mention "Zaslon" active protection that was supplied to the Turkish army and "Nozh", "Duplet" reactive armor that is far better than russian "relikt" and "contact-5"
All soviet designs, but keep stealing and hating your own history.
@@Mastakilla91 Nizh and Duplet were both designed in Ukraine. And what do you mean by 'stealing your own history'? How can he steal something he owns?
@@Mastakilla91 And where did he hate on something? He just mentioned that there's some other armour that is better and it's sad that the author didn't mention it.
@@Oksig designed in a design bureau created by the soviets based off soviet research and prior knowledge.
@@nagantm441 Yeah, Ukraine was part of the soviet union. Was ...
I suspect the reason why we've rarely seen Ukraine using T-84 tanks in the conflict is probably the same as why Russia rarely fields BMPT or T-14. The T-84 is Ukraine's current, most advanced, self-produced main battle tank. However, owing to the nature of the conflict, the tactical contribution of an individual T-84 is negligible. However, the impact of its destruction (morale- and propaganda-wise) would be considerably more. Meaning, irrespective of its actual performance in combat, fielding T-84 at this time could be seen as being potentially more harmful than good.
It's because of funding, ukraine doesn't have enough money to acquire them.
Could also be the supply chain issues. If Ukraine can stick to T-72 variants that simplifies logistics, repairs, spare parts, training, etc.
Has nothing to do with it.
The simple reason were not seeing it, is simply down to OPSEC.
Soldiers and tankers have better things to do than sit around and film everything.
@@ill_bred_demon9059 Yes and no. Bear in mind that in this conflict, Ukraine is throwing everything and the kitchen sink (not to mention patching up the annoying neighbour's sinks and throwing those back at them too). This is the country that was strapping Javelins to off-road buggies and converting tank-mounted machine guns into squad automatic weapons.
As such, the continued absence (or at least very limited use) of T-84 tanks is potentially notable. However, I admit that it is possible that open-source intel is far from complete and it is also possible that T-84 have been used but misidentified as a different tank, been difficult to differentiate from other variants of T-80, and/or otherwise unidentified (there are lots of destroyed tanks that have not been / cannot be identified).
Not true actually its the fact that they only have 6 T84 tanks in their army lol
To clarify the autoloader is not the problem/reason why russian tank turrets fly. its the ammo stored all around in the tank that causes the cook off the whole design of the autoloader is to (somewhat) make it harder to hit the ammo but storing ammo all around the autoloader negates that design choice.
yea the actual autoloader is actually really hard to hit. the random ammo placed everywhere inside the hull however...
Yes, some of designs for future us tanks (AbramsX I believe) have autoloaders but *still* store ammo in a seperate compartment with a blow out panel so it's no less safe.
Also what is usually not known is the russian/soviet tank doctrine. Majority of shells loaded on the T series tanks are HE shells and APFSDS are in major minority, for 45 rounds loaded on the T 72 like 40 of them will be HE .. thats like complete opposite of what NATO tanks load. After the hit on T 72 what can explode are not only propellant charges but also shells it self, thats why they explode like an ammo warehouses.
@@jPlanerv2 NATO tank also use same load out for ammo, I mean only a handful of APFSDS and a lot of multipurpose shell (russia use HE for this, NATO use HEAT or HEAT-MP for it)
@@jPlanerv2 why you loaded alot APFSDS and your enemy most of the time is infantry or some light vehicles
11:07 here you can actually see the professional engineers surveying the thank hull before continuing the work on it.
I was amazed nobody else was commenting on the cats prowling around on the chassis. XD
@@foxmcld584 Thanks, amazing detail ❤
Oops you caught the feline defense force before I did!
I was born and currently located in Kharkiv, seen these tanks on the streets recently, and they look awesome! We also call this T-84 tank: "Aegis"
Probably shouldn't be sharing intel like that if true.
@@B.D.E. no worries, firstly - recently is like 5 months ago so it's really outdated.
Secondly - Russians still have agents in Kharkiv that guides russian rockets strikes from time to time, they see more than such a post.
Thirdly - it has zero valuable info since you have no idea, then I saw them, there were they going fron where etc.
I hope they will do some awesome work in swatowe and kreminna. I heard that ukraine is very close to break kreminna, would be a awesome new years present for the russians 🥳
Your fake state is finished.
@@user-fv2bn9jv7f you better open the window and check around yourself.
Another day another russian...
11:07 cats in a tank factory. For the win!!! 😻
Hey Captain Cappy ! Love the videos. GREAT content. Interesting. Informative. Relevant. Lots of fact and some informed, educated opinion. Thank You and keep up the good work. Best to You and Yours + Happy New Year !
Gaijin taking notes on what tank to add in the next update:
Me and my cousins love your videos, keep up the great work and I wish you a wonderful new year cappy and team
Aside from T84, the Royal Thai Army also owns another model of rare tank: the Stingray tank (sometimes known as the Commando Stingray). It is an American light tank exported to Thailand, which remains the only user.
If it's Cadillac Gage, it's a "Commando"! Low ground-pressure and a decent gun (105mm low recoil), probably quite attractive to a nation with an annual monsoon and damp ground. They also still have a hundred Scorpions on the books, presumably for similar reasons. As far as I'm aware they bought the Stingray naked, without the ERA package.
When it was bought it has one of the best tank gun in the region and it's laser rangefinder will guarantee first hit destruction to T55 derivertives that it was meant to counter. It can also cross most road bridges and navigate narrow country paths. But time marches on and the Stingray is now relegated to infantry support role.
Anyone else spot the cats working on the tank 11:09? 😆
The cat scan is part of the quality control process!
There has been a huge increase in the quality of these videos in the last few months. Just wanted to say its noticed and appreciated - not always easy to do big improvement to the work when there's so much pressure to keep putting put content.
Your videos are always fascinating. Thank you.
Let me briefly correct you;
The main gun is a 125mm cannon. Similar to T-72, T-64, T-90, and even the T-14 Arnata
Nope it a 120 rifled that he's just shown.
@@wor53lg50 I've seen an Oplot in an exercise with the Thai before. No, it's 125mm. 120 was an export prototype
I used to have a TI 84. Amazing weapon.
Made deer hunting fun and easy
All praise the American military industrial complex! Praise Texas Instruments!
@@Up2Speed When youre known for making calculators, but most of your profit comes from Paveways, jdams and javelins...
@@Up2Speed I wanna work for them now
You know you were just playing snake, I don't think I ever did any actual math just played games
Thank you Cappy for making videos that are interesting to watch and not boring. I enjoy your videos and learn from each one. You explain things well and are very easy to understand. Hope you are staying safe and healthy.
Very interesting and informative material done in a professional way. Thank you!
T 84 is an excellent tank and also has a good balance between price and utility in its technological category. Unfortunately, there are 2 main reasons why there were so few of them at the start of the war in February 2022. They are both economic and related to Russia. In order to accumulate tanks you need either a developed economy to finance them or efficient production (achievable through large export contracts). In 1 case, the annexation and the creation of a smoldering conflict in the Donbas zone caused huge economic losses for Ukraine, not only from the point of disruption of supply chains and the loss of factories that were located there, but also the outflow of investments from the whole country due to increased economic risk. The second reason is Russia's lobbying in the arms market. Both countries use the same post-Soviet technological base, and if the Ukrainian T-84 was better in certain situations than the Russian counterpart, Russia could use its political influence or simply dump the price due to much larger production capacities. In general, it is a miracle that Ukraine was able to create and establish the production of a tank that is not inferior to the Russian T-90 in current conditions. And given the miserable results of Russia during the current conflict, there is reason to believe that the role of Russia will decrease in the arms market, which will allow the Ukrainian military-industrial complex to breathe more freely in future
u are assuming ukraine will win the conflict and start selling arms again but that's not gonna happen
Even if they win. I don't think ukraine will continue on oplot-m. Cause
1. some part were russian build.
2. They need money elsewhere not in arm development(western will provided arms for them)
3. Their corruption will get them.
Said from citizens of country that had entire battalion of those tanks.
@@maksimoltu8236 Well, for Ukraine winning means keeping Russia from winning. In that regard they're winning
If by winning you'd mean Ukraine throwing russia out of their country. I think that's pretty unrealistic
@@maksimoltu8236 lol Ukraine will deoccupy all its teritory by the end of summer and then ruzzia will collapse again
@@lentar sure it will, with the non-existing T-84s
Love the two tank engineers @11:08.
SHHHHHHHHH........ those are Navy Seals on a simple recon; they're "feline" the enemy out for critical intel.
Excellent information! Thanks for sharing.
The Kharkov tank plant wanted to call the T-80UD the T-84 but according to Steven Zaloga, the Soviets didn't want to admit that they had 4 different MBTs in production at the same time due to clan battles in the Soviet tank industry. The 4 were: T-64 (the Kharkov tank), T-72 (the UVZ tank), T-80 (the Leningrad tank?), and the T-80UD with a diesel engine instead of gas turbine (also a Kharkov tank).
These videos are great. Thank you and your team for making them. God is good and Happy New Years!
Getting their hands on the T-80UD would have been exceedigly easy for the USA. South Korea got some as a payment from Russia after the USSR collapsed, but maybe there were some contractual obstacles or the Koreans demanded some replacement.
But with one differenth, South Korea has a T80U produced in Leningrad with a gas turbine engine (similar to the M1 Abrams) GTD 1250, the Kharkov T80UD is equipped with a 6TD diesel engine. The second difference is that on the T80UD there is a electric-powered machine gun mount controlled from inside the fighting compartment (as on the M1A1), on the T80U a machine gun mount is installed, which can only be controlled if you get out of the tank.
@@nikuleskumunteanu What about all the trash left in East Germany? I heard they had no idea what to do and how to utilize all the soviet junk that was left there
@@nikuleskumunteanu Yeah, but since they wanted them to ascertain the technology the Russians have and to simulate the tanks in combat, then the Korean tanks were more representative IMO.
Its a contract issue.
Thre contract of the arms deal between SK and russia is that neither side would sell weapons to the other's enemy.
This contract is whats been keeping russian military equipment out of north korea and SK ones out of ukraine.
@@thebravegallade731 That doesn't make sense. Otherwise the SK couldn't sell the tanks and howitzers to Norway or Poland. Russia delared the NATO as enemy years ago.
You’ve made great improvements in your Ukrainian pronunciation! Kharkiv, Kherson and Ukroboronprom sound from you almost like from my Ukrainian teacher. And great reporting, of course!
There is another modification T-84-120 it has 120mm(seems like L44) canon which can use NATO ammunition. This tank seems really futuristic.
It has autoloader but it is located behind the turret, not inside the tank as in all soviet tanks
never produced.
@@nagantm441 🤓
Probably the one that has been ordered from the new factory as they are transitioning to the NATO standard. The other factory being captured by Russia in 2014 might be a blessing in disguise that way. They will no longer need ammunition that isn't produced by NATO anymore. After the war they will be selling off all the Soviet surplus to Africa and Arabia building more modern western equipment that doesn't do a Jack in the box.
I'm amazed that Ukraine didn't rehearse the 2018 competition with similar or exact conditions to identify problems before hand.
And I understand that when the USSR fell, Ukraine was stuck with thousands of Soviet equipment and given the economic down turn, it made sense they could replace many decades of Soviet equipment.
Having said that, I would have thought that Ukraine would have wanted post Soviet occupation military equipment with NATO standards / equipment on a gradual basis.
On the other hand, the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances of 1994 (three years after the fall of the USSR) provided security assurances by various countries. It's complicated, but security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The three memoranda were originally signed by three nuclear powers: the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents, but it also prohibited the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations." This in return for Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine giving up the USSR nuclear weapons in those countries, which they did.
Fast forward to 2014 when Russia seized Crimea and parts of Eastern Ukraine. That was an overt violation of the Budapest Memorandum that Russia, the US, the UK agreed to secure the security of Ukraine to prevent them from joining NATO.
99.9% of the people in the US have no idea that before the Vietnam War there was the Southeast Asian Treaty Organization or SEATO. SETO was much like NATO where an attack on one was an attack on all of SETO countries. So when North Vietnam was actively supporting the Viet Cong in South Vietnam, that was a technical violation of the SETO treaty.
There is a lot of controversy about the Gulf of Token incident where the US accused North Vietnam of attacking our Navy ship which triggered our entry into the Vietnam War. But behind the scenes were a number of political and strategic considerations. The US had intelligence that Russia wanted to use the South Vietnam Camron Bay for a Soviet submarine base to threaten the Straits of Malacca critical to the supply of oil to Japan and other US allies.
It's too complex to go into a discussion here, but immediately after WW II the US had a doctrine of total annellation if attacked in any of our treaties with allied nations.
But during the Korean War, the US realized that it wasn't going to use nuclear weapons to win a regional war and so the Korean War became a stalemate.
Then the US policy was "Containment" meaning that we would contain Soviet expansion around the world regardless of treaties. And that wasn't working in Vietnam. so the US embarked on a war to stop Communist expansion to South Vietnam to to prevent the Soviets form using Camron Bay for Air and Submarine bases.
I was a Marine infantry platoon commander in Vietnam 1968-69 and so I was interested in why we were fighting there with so many US casualties. What I discovered was that the US was so politically weak and indecisive that strategic and tactical decisions were being made at the White House and the Pentagon that had nothing to do with winning the war and everything to do with making it easier for our enemies to win.
Did you know that our aircraft were prevented from destroying North Vietnam airfields because there MAY have been Chinese and Soviet technical personnel there. That meant that North Vietnam fighters were allowed to intercept our aircraft knowing that we would not bomb their airfields.
Did you know that in order to prevent ANY civilian casualties in North Vietnam, we forced our attack aircraft to fly the same routes every day so the North Vietnamese could concentrate their anti-aircraft missiles and guns along those standard routes?
Did you know that when President Nixon authorized Operation Linebacker to bomb North Vietnam with B-52's that the routes the B-52's were required to fly were the same every day and so North Vietnam was able to shoot down too many of our B-52's?
Did you know that in the early days of my tour as a Marine platoon commander in Vietnam that too many of the Rues of Engagement were designed to give our enemy the advantage. I can only guess that the Rules of Engagement were crafted by lawyers who had never been in combat.
One of the ROE's I was supposed to follow was to ensure that no one in my platoon had a magazine of ammunition nor a round in the chamber of their weapon UNLESS we were fired upon first AND we could positively identify our targets as the enemy. Well, the problem was that the Viet Con were civilians and so it was impossible to tell them apart from the real civilians. The other major problem was when in an ambush, you only have seconds to react or your are dead. The time it would take to put a magazine in the weapon, charge it so there is a round in the chamber---and you are dead.
Did I every have my platoon follow those moronic rules of engagement? No. But not following them was a court martial offense. Did anyone in my platoon trun me in to be court martialed? No. Why? Because they knew as well as I did that most of the ROE's were total BS designed to get us killed.
From what I can of the ROE's in the Middle East, not much changed until Trump became President and told the military to use there judgement in accordance with the Geneva Convention. BINGO, ISI suddenly was wiped out with very few civilian casualties. (Hint: it is impossible to fight a war and not have unintentional civilian casualties). I know. I was in 3 years of combat and we tried our very best to prevent civilian casualties. But sometimes they are in the crossfire and that was unfortunate and sometimes they were aiding the enemy.
The reality is that it was impossible in a firefight near a village or urban area to tell who was friendly and who was the enemy because they all looked the same.
I think the same was true in the Middle East. Our forces went into areas in which it was impossible to tell friend from foe. And we lost a lot of soldiers because we were trying to prevent civilian casualties.
I don't think there is a right or wrong answer except for the leadership on the ground in the firefight. Only he and his subordinates can make those decisions--not the lawyers who have never been in combat.
Ima be honest the "random red circle" in the thumbnail made me laugh a little
Me too I was gonna comment but figured people have beat me too it
Always brilliant stuff... thank you
The T-84 has been my favorite MBT for years. Being a smaller/faster design gives an advantage in the modern battlefield which they make full use of.
FORT IRVINE?! The US Army WISHES! Try Fort Irwin. That's like getting Palm Springs and Twenty Nine Palms mixed up. PS - love the channel, keep up the good work.
hah... came here to say this! I'm sure Cappy knows but was a slip of the tongue XD
Whatever dude: I *served* at Twenty-Nine Palm Springs. In fact, that's where I got my 💜. Busted a toe while descending! Got the Hilton to fix that damn elevator door real quick fast and in a hurry. Ahem.
Lmao, good catch. I rather think Cap'n Cappy has even been there... but if his experience was like mine, it was all a blur, then time to download all the gear for a CSM layout (seemingly) the next day.
Hey, hey, hey… gotta keep dem commie mutants off-balance as to where that THTOP THEQWET training base is… never know when a spy will show up and declare asylum-it forces the games to go on “Time Out” and breaks the flow of conquest for the OP4… about as bad as encountering a desert turtle! (Oh no, I said too much, and I haven’t said enough… that’s me in the corner! That’s me in the spot, light, losing my religion!)
Watching Cappy battle the English language is worth the price of admission!
SUPERB narration. Thank you.
Greeting from Ukraine. We proud of our tank, we have also T-84-120 Yatagan and T-84 Oplot its modification, and this tank now fighting in Donbass !
СРАНЫЙ КАКЕЛ!!! НЕТ У УСРАЙИНЫ НИКАКИХ СВОИХ ТАНКОВ... И ТЕПЕРЬ НЕ БУДЕТ. НИКОГДА!!! ДОНАШИВАЕТЕ ВЕСЬ СТАРЫЙ ХЛАМ С ЭУРОПЭЙСЬКЫХ ПОМОЕК)))
God bless Russia and Ukraine. Kick out the American coup government and make peace.
Loved the vid! It was very informative. Can you make a vid about the Philippines' newest light tank, called the ASCOD Sabrah (not to be confused with the M60 Sabra), which was delivered just this December? Its the country's first ta- *ehem ehem* PROPER tank in decades and would love to see your thoughts about it. Philippine Defense Resource is a good website to learn about its history and updates.
@@allahdoesnotexist3823 very out of topic but i agree
The more I watched these, the more I think that Cappy was actually an intelligence officer.
He was definitely the guy in the platoon that caught every fuck up of the officers.
Or should have been :)
Well of course he was. No wait, sorry... I thought you said "an intelligent" officer. My bad; pardon my NCO vision: the Sand (Hill) got into my eyes. ;-)
No, no... Cap'n Cappy was right where he needed to be, when he needed to be there... as I think we would want our warriors to be, yes? And @spaceisalie5451 I'm reasonably certain Cap probably went about his particular job at any given particular time, only smarting off when it was appropriate. (Hey! We're Infantry, sure... but we're still *trainable*.)
Just a run of the mill 35F
Cracks me up every time Chris calls himself an average infantryman.
Thanks for pointing out the random red circle. I had never noticed that before.
As usual, quality deep dive.
But that little nugget about the M1A2 Abrams coming in 7th at the 2018 Euro Tank Challenge is something that I would love you to explore.
Do we have something to be worried about???
Really a fascinating report, Cappy. I really admire how Ukraine opted to make the best of a bad situation (independence from USSR) by improving its own capabilities and technology. It's really had some setbacks but still seems to have finally developed a product that compares with (or at least can compete with) the best that's out there. One question: Can Ukraine upgrade captured tanks to the specs of the T-84?
They already have T-80s that can be upgraded to the T-84 standard, its just that they lack the components, funds and production capabilities to do so. I don't know if you know this but, BM Oplot and T-84 are two different tanks, BM Oplot is superior. It took Ukraine seven years to deliver fifty tanks to Thailand, that's only seven tanks produced each year...
except they got screwed over by bill clinton for convincing them to give up nuclear weapons. they should have never done that and clinton has come out saying he regrets doing that. trust the usa and you get screwed
"Random red circle"
Very meta, Chris.
Love the cats just chilling in the factory, and walking around with the workers.
Love your videos. Keep it up
I always liked the Yatagan 120 even if it never entered production.
Hey man, love your content from Ukraine! Keep up the good work and take care
There seems to be some confusion around names and designations. The original vehicle was T-84 (Obiekt 478DU9). Only around 10 of these were built around 1999 / 2000 and they were later also named as 'BM Oplot'. They were refurbished years later and took part in the Europe Strong Tank Challenge. Later, the much improved 'BM Oplot-M' appeared - Obiekt 478DU9-1 / 478DU10. The Thai vehicles. BM Oplot-T were a version of this.
When I'm eating while watching informative and whitty videos like this, it means I like it.
And yes, this is my new go to watch videos while I gouge on food and I tell ya, it's a good feeling. I've just learned a bunch of new stuff regarding tanks I seriously did not know of. Keep this up and this channel eill be godly amongst military youtube channels! 😊👍👍
Some constructive feedback, I love this channel but I started caring less when the taglines like “better than you think”, or “chill out “ started popping up. Your channel is great and has it’s own Merit it doesn’t need Tic Tok headlines.
Yes, this stuff is kinda unnecessary.
Constructive feedback, You’re wrong.
But it was indeed better than most of people had thought about it
@@tetispinkman9135 🎉
I'm glad Chris is finally saying "Ukraine" instead of "the Ukraine."
Agreed, and the good catch: don't know him or anyone on the his team, but we served similar roles in the same type of job. Also, I'm sure the host is appreciative of the comment. At least so far as the I can tell.
The NTC is at Ft Irwin, Ft Irvine. Easy slip of the tongue.
Really enjoy and appreciate your videos. Thank-you!
NOT FT Irvine!
11:07 I love the cats walking on the tank shells
16:00 Thats an optimistic idea, but sadly untrue.
Both Kharkiv tank factories got hit very, very thoroughly in the siege of the city in the early days of the war.
I am sure they salvaged something for a repair shop or 2, but we can safely assume the vast majority of those factories and machines to be destroyed.
The Germans usually managed to get leveled factories up and running within weeks. Machine tools seem to survive anything but a direct hit, and that rather surprised the British and Americans doing bomb damage assessment.
What's more interesting it's that 30% of all soviet industrial capacity was located in Ukraine. Especially the more high tech industries such as shipbuilding, aircraft engine, turbines, rocket engines etc.
Yep roughly a third of Soviet tech industry is Russia proper, a third Ukraine, a third or a little more spread among all the other republics, vaguely speaking. Ukraine also has a number of educational centres, Kharkiv mentioned here is one of global scientific-educational hubs with i think 37 internationally accredited universities and over 200 000 students, tens thousands of them foreign, and there's numerous research institutions in the city as well with thousands of scientific staff each. Obviously Belarus has some crucial high-tech bits as well, like optics and semiconductors, though Ukraine has optical industry as well, and Belarus is a small country by population. Today Ukraine is one of world's largest exporters of outsourced engineering services, and in peace time world's fifth largest steel and metallurgy exporter. Potential to climb a couple ranks in steel export in the future existed between 2010 and 2014.
What's more to note is that Russia has been dismantling and stealing the machinery from the factories located on occupied territories, so some of the industry is going to be a little rough to relaunch. Besides industry across the whole of Ukraine, especially with defence significance, being prime missile targets throughout the full scale invasion. The complete destruction of the famous Mariupol steel mill is going to be noticeable as well.
@@SianaGearz What is the point of having so many students with no brain. Couldn't even understand how west has been using them as a pawn against Russia without losing a single soldier of theirs'.
@@yorikde Yeah i am aware of various issues with lack of investments in industries. Ukrainian engineering capabilities run well ahead of their industrial ones, but they make do, and if stable politically and well protected, would make for a perfect investment climate.
@@yorikde Propaganda
At 1:40...
I'll never get tired of footage proving that you CAN drift a tank.
I like that random circle there helps me a lot
Props for the random red circle clickbait ! 😝
Fun fact: The first tanks shown at that competition are T64BV not Oplot, and those were sabotaged by damaging cables done by russia-friendly workers at the Kiev plant at the time (after crimea annexation). The stuttering turret sequence though shows Oplot, two Shtora anti-missile systems clearly visible.
Yep you on it to!!, me to can see the inconsistencies aswell...
Kyiv, not Kiev
In WW2 the Italian main battle tanks had 1 forwad gear and 8 reverse gears. The forward gear was in case the enemy attached from behind.
french*
@@UomoRandom005 bruh the French fought for like 2 months before being taken over by the germans
The ability to move at ridiculous speeds in reverse reminds me of a quote by Donald Sutherland's character "Oddball" in the movie "Kelly's Heroes". Paraphrasing here when Clint Eastwood's character inquired about the mechanical state of the tanks: "We can move just as fast in reverse as forward. We like to know that we have the ability to back OUT of trouble just as fast as we drove INTO it!" This was in addition to a PA system and a sleeve over the barrel to make it appear as if they had something to the effect of a 100mm barrel, lol.
A little off topic but a deep dive into the armalite 180 woud be a good idea for the suggestion mountain.
The Ukrainian tank BM Oplot has active protection, cool Knife armor, a modern thermal imager and just a beautiful tank. In Thailand they appreciated 👍 (T-90M what's with the face? :)
Why compare it with T-90M ? There are much more T-90Ms that Oplot
Сколько вы их там собрали из говна и палок? 50 штук? Мощно... К тому же все основано на советских разработках.
@@Rapcher59 А Т-90М не советская машина?) И конкретно БМ Оплотов сделали в районе 60
Redeffect has made many good videos on Ukrainian Tanks , both bad and good ones. Must give him a thanks.
ikr you saw the new vid on the t72b3s getting a new refit (i think some relikt being slapped on there)
Redeffect? How can you take his videos seriously?
@@gook5219 why not?
@@Blackcashcy hes a serb fanboying for russia
@@yaro7319 Ah yes, his a serb so he must be fanboying for russia. Bruh.
“Random red circle” lol, that in the thumbnail got me
Hey Chris.... once again an excellent and very comprehensive presentation. Keep up the good work !!!
I think the oplt m variant is close to the t90m in performance. Some of the best ERA that can basicaly completely cancel the effect of high angle sideshots, and an excelent modern fcs. Considering the way higher reverse speed its probably even better in some scenarios.
it's a pity there is no vertical carousel
This is a very good tank. It has the same protection ability as the M1A2. It is a pity that Ukraine does not have the economic strength to equip it in large quantities. If they have thousands of T84s, the course of the war will change.
thanks for kind words. Yes, you are right. Hope situation will change asap.
@@leman7648 I'm in China, I can't change anything, for well-known reasons our government won't change the relationship with Russia, but if you're an American, you can write a letter to the Congressman and vote for Ukraine, I can't bear it Every day, people in the news see pregnant women being bombed to death in Ukraine, and children being buried alive in the ruins. This should not be something that should happen in the 21st century. The brutality of the Russians must be curbed, otherwise our future generations will live in violence without a bottom line middle
@@user-pd7rq7kn8x I am Ukrainian. And I am proud and happy to read your position. Every month, and not once, we donate on our army, so really soon with our help and help from all countries, what support us, we will have on of the strongest armies in region EU and World. Thank you again for you position, especially when I know what relationship between russian and China. Big respect for China nation. Hope pur relationship will be much better in future than now, and much better that relationship between russia and China. Be safe.
@@leman7648 Thank you, I wish you an early victory💛💙👍✌
I hope to the stars they are building like crazy to field more dang sure would be a game changer that is why Putler fears you guys keep up the fight don’t quit 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
10:24 - Mechanic:
My hatch will slam sometimes, I'll be like Batman
There are a lot of inaccuracies in the text, but the main thing is that there are 2 tanks: T-84 and BM Oplot. They are essentially very different, but the author does not share them.
T-84 oplot and BM oplot are two different tanks. Yeah it kinda confusing that they gave same nicknames for different tanks but bm oplot is waaay better than t-84 oplot. It’s pretty easy to tell which one is which. Bm oplot got that big “bucket” on the turret ( it’s panoramic scope for a commander.
Former OpFor soldier here: It's Fort Irwin, not Irvine, 30 miles north of Barstow off the I-15. They haven't done OpFor tank battles there for years. Blackhorse! Allons!
I rather think the dust gathering on the REDFOR tanks was noticeable when our Strykers railheaded, circa Sep/Oct 2003 lol.
Shhhhh! Be vuhwey, vuhwey quiet! Never know when CHARLIE is listening!- ok, Great! Now you let the world know where it is! What’s next, are you challenging the world to deliver pizza over there?! (Tongue in cheek…🤪)
@@viewer3412 Lmao, it's almost like you know how hard it is to get za delivered there. But you know what they say, right? The best thing to do when you're stationed @ Ft. Irwin, CA?... is to leave Ft. Irwin, CA.
Maybe OP can back me up or not. But at least @ JRTC, we had the friendly confines of Leesville to keep us warm lol.
Maybe they need to start again
OK, maybe something a bit more up to date: NTC and 11th have been doing force-on-force mechanized fights since 2016, since the Army refocused on LSCO. Yes, the Army lost a great deal of tank skills (and massed arty and other skills) during our COIN adventures in Iraq and A'stan. But the Army is working hard to correct this. Those crews in 2018 didn't have as much experience as previous crews back in the days of the Canadian Army Trophy competition.
I'd also offer that the Leo 2A6 does have advantages over US tanks in accuracy, especially when firing training ammo (which is simple, cheap aluminum and not perfect in replicating the ballistic performance of service ammo, especially at longer ranges). The L55 gun found on 2A6 tanks is significantly longer than the L44 gun found on earlier Leo 2s and M1A2s. It did struggle to maintain boresite initially - this may have been corrected. However, when firing service ammunition (something most Leo 2s have never done, especially anti-tank sabot rounds), the M1 is extremely accurate and, due to the depleted uranium used, much more lethal than Leo 2 main gun ammo. This real-world lethality rarely arises in a fun competition, nor do issues like Leo 2 survivability with most of its ammo stored in the hull and vulnerable to IEDs and mines, with catastrophic effects similar to T72s...
One small correction, most people think that Russia was the main source of tank technology and Ukraine inherited Russian designs. That's not correct. It was the other way around.
T-64/80 design is from Kharkiv (Ukraine). T-72/T-90 design is from UralVagonZavod/UVZ (Russia). But... UralVagonZavod was actually created during WWII when a Kharkiv tank factory was moved to Russia. And the 3rd Soviet tank factory in Omsk (Russia), was also originally from Lugansk, Ukraine. So, all 3 Soviet tank factories trace its roots to UKRAINIAN tank factories!
Ukrainian Donbas region was always a technological power hub (Kharkiv and Lugansk are there). Donbas is a major coal mining and steel-making region. In fact, Donbas stands for Donetsk Coal Basin
“Random red circle” in the preview is pure poetry 💖🤣
Much respect for the perfect Jamaican accent there at 3:19 Cappy.
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Interesting you mention the US Army has a force that specialises in role playing as Russian tank forces for training purposes. I used to talk online a lot to a retired US tanker who was a woman and she was a tank commander in Russian tanks. She pointed out to me also that the percentage of women crew in the "Russian" forces tanks was above average for the US military as a whole. Part of the reasoning is because Russian tanks are pretty cramped for space and Russian tankers do tend to be average sized or smaller, but also the Russian autoloaders are quite favourable for female crew personnel.
She also pointed out that generally they stuck to Soviet battlefield doctrine with the tanks. Sometimes, they also "cheated" too. Especially, if they felt they had been mocked by the force they were on exercise against, because of having inferior equipment to use and other somewhat obvious attributes of the "Russian" roleplay force. As she said we were doing this job because we were good at it. So it was only fair to remind them we are the ones training them.
Also, She didn't have a lot of positive things to say about Russian Tanks other than they are quite fast, low profile and the autoloader ensured a fast rate of fire if you needed it. However she doubted the reliability of the Russian tanks in real life warfare because theirs were very well maintained and often spares would be "manufactured" in the US to a higher standard than the original part fitted. She also noted that you would not want to be confined to their tanks for more than 24hrs due to a chemical or nuclear attack. She said 8 hours was bad enough in them in normal circumstances.
Learned more from that random red circle then I did from school.
did he say "Yukon Abromb Pomb??" Nice, Cappy! He's always coming up with new words and I approve!
*Random red circle* I really appreciate your honesty 🤣🤣
Mr. Chris, I have to correct you. T84 and BM "Oplot" are outwardly similar and completely different cars in the middle. The transmission, its location, and the principle of operation are completely different. Another engine, gearbox. There are a lot of differences. Therefore, one BM "Oplot" costs more than T-84 Oplot.
And the upgraded cannon from isreal he failed to mention..
Yep all those t80 variants used in ukrane came from slovenia, upgraded in isreal...
A source for the autoloader "fix" would be very interesting. Iam highly sceptical of the claimed prevention of an ammo explosion, be it an additional 3 tons, 5 or even more... I dont see how you could create a solution that would isolate the carousel to the same extent it would be equivalent to the ammo storage on an Abrams, etc. Of course you may up-armor the autoloader on its sides to certain extents (like Russia did on its T-90M variant) , but Id love to see how you would isolate it from the crew to ensure survival in the case of an ammo cookoff. I simply dont see any space for that in the existing design and you'd. need to fundamentally overhaul how the turrett and autoloader interact from the ground up. But as said... I'd love to learn.
Gotta love that Random Red Circle in the thumbnail
Random red circle 😂
I saw what you did there Chris.
Nice one
Oh stop. It's *graphics* fps.
Ukraine's T80 upgraded tank:✅
Russian's T80 upgraded tank:❎
-Western media in a nut shell
@Task & Purpose
Footage from 1:30 ish shows the fall of the Berlin Wall ('89) while Cappy is talking about the fall of the Soviet Union ('91). Although there were events whose contribution led to the fall of the wall (Gorbachev's _Peristroika_ movement, which aimed to reconstruct the economies of those nations east of the Iron Curtain) and which also contributed to the fall of the USSR, the other, more major contributing factors marks these two moments as entirely separate and non-interchangeable events.
Thank you for highlighting the random red circle I never knew that about these tanks
11:10 two famous Ukrainian combat cats inspecting the T-84 production line seemingly satisfied with their new fighting vehicle
I was late to that!
08:11 you have to love the fact that the US Tanks got a result closer to the Ukrainian tank than to the top-placed Leopards :D
No the crews did
6:52 - L❤VE the special camouflage in this clip ! 😉
Big love for the two cats in the background at 11:04
I wonder if America kept all those modernised M60 tanks? Ukraine needs tanks and they would do fine. Anyway, just an idea, thanks Chris.
It would have been a waste. No matter how much crap you weld on to it, it's still an obsolete M60 underneath. M1A1s would be a better choice to give Ukraine.
I think it might interfere with logistical problems since m60 use 120mm shells while most ukraine tanks (since they are mostly russian t64s) they need to use 125mm shells and i dont know if the apdsfs rounds like the 3bm32/42 will work with the m60s
I think some updated M60s are still being marketed to foreign militaries, imo i think they need more artillery
@@lowlevel9448 m60 use 105mm guns. The only m60 with a 120mm gun is the modernization that made the turks to their m60
@@newmombasastreets1459 Any country that buys tanks buys a training and logistics support package you cant just hand over tanks and say all the best.
Came for the meme thumbnail, stayed for the Cappy.
Fair enough. 🤝
Fun fact. This is the supposed to be the most heavily armord tank ever produced. It also has the potential to add aps that can degrade penitration of most apfsds rounds anywhere from 50 to 90 percent. Yes u heard me right it can take out apfsds shells as well as heat warheads. The aps can litterly be mounted anywhere on the tank so it could even destroy a lot of top attack munitions. I'm yet to see this in action on the tank but it is supposedly an option and has been tested.
46-48 tons, most heavily armored tank... let me introduce you to the 65 ton Merkava IV which eats Kornet without any reactive armor. Also coincidentally the only tank that has demonstrated APS in combat back in 2014, intercepting dozens of RPG's and ATGM's without a single failure.
Nice to see they added the newer ERA instead of layered old ones. Even it looked somehow epic.
From what I understand the tank competition is mostly designed for close combat forest and city and not open and long range spaces the Abrams excels in. But I could be wrong.
You are very wrong
Also they already had sepv3's delivered so why they entered a sepv2 is beyond me. Secrecy?
Dead wrong. US crews are simply not good enough in these tournaments.
@@scruffy7760 possibly because unlike most European armies we don’t have crews specifically trained for tank competitions- we send good crews, but we prefer to train for a fight, not a pretty (pointless) tank competition.
@@ab5olut3zero95 Shouldn't an experienced crew who has been trained to fight excel in such a competition then? Are they not showcasing everything they've been trained to do when operating their tank? Genuine question, not meaning to sound arrogant.
Guys remember difference between T84u Oplot and BM Oplot
Loved the cats on tank at 11:08 😄
Me, too. 😁
"No cap" cappie back at it again 😤