RC Transmitter Latency Tests! FlySky Noble NB4 vs Sanwa MT4 vs Traxxas TQi - Netcruzer RC
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- RC Transmitter Latency Tests. FlySky Noble NB4 vs Sanwa MT4 racing radio RF protocol latency vs Traxxas TQi. Get a Noble NB4 RC Racing Radio - amzn.to/3t9ylzp
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*All tests were done with 2 way communication on (RF telemetry)
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All radios were bound to their receivers in 2 way telemetry mode. Sanwa FH4T in SHR mode, FlySky AFHDS3 in 2 way mode, and Traxxas TQi Link. While my math doesn't match with documented latency, I did calculate latency the same way for all 3 so we can see the difference in response delay. Sanwa wins, FlySky very close 2nd, and for Traxxas.. we show why a fast low-latency RF protocol matters for racing. Product links in the video description. Thanks for Watching.
Thanks man! just starting to get back into racing, glad i saw this video and picked up an mt44
What about the 1-way option on the nb4? I don't need Telemetry on a race car... I don't know about you guys but when I'm in a race, my eyes are on the car, not the radio...
After watching this my take away is to never just let go of your wheel after a corner when trying to go back to going straight, that wobble is crazy
I have buy the MT-4 in 2014 for my tekno ET48 and that was my first high grade transmitter and I feel the difference. After that I resale the transmitter and the truggy to my best friend Steve Séguin teknoman and he have a great result for long time with this set up when he racing with you :)
Great video but, i think your figures have error. You mention response times of 0.09, 0.11 and 0.19 milliseconds. This can not be correct as they are way to fast. If you recorded at 960fps then indeed, one frame is 1/960 th of a second and if your frame counts of resp. 90, 106 and 186 shot @960fps are correct it adds up to total times of resp 94 milliseconds, 110 milliseconds and 194 milliseconds. Which are way to high. Did you count your frames when playing back the video @30fps? in that case, you have to correct for the slowmotion factor of 960/30=32. Then your times become 2.9 , 3,3 and 6.1 milliseconds which sound realistic. You also lose time in the transition from servo movement to wheel movement because of play in the steering links. You see your servo arm move ' way ' earlier than the wheel.
Check out this guy's video on the same subject: czcams.com/video/wHefB1bLTb0/video.html He shot at 240 fps . he removed the steering linkage errors by taking a 'naked' servo but i think, he counted his frames during play back at 30fps and also made the mistake not correcting for the slow motion factor of in his case 8. His result for the Noble should be 24.95/8 = 3.1milliseconds. This comes close to your 3.3 value which probably has some link-transfer error in it.
Perhaps you can redo the test in a similar way the other guy did and compare your results with his?
I have a Noble 4 as well and am very happy with it. It's versatile, lots of features, great range and not very expensive for what you get. I also use it for VRC World :-)
Keep on making great RC movies and let's get as many people as possible interested in this great hobby!
Regards,
Gert
Yeah I didn't get it. The TQ says 3 second latency at the top, then .19ms at the bottom... So insanely slow or insanely fast....
Great to see this on video, understood the theory but seeing it is better.
Thats just made my mind up the flysky radio is worth every penny.
Nicely done very informative thank you
I just ordered one...I’m excited to give it a shot. Thanks for the videos!
After testing this, I feel confident saying the Noble is best value for a modern new high performance RC racing radio. The newest Sanwa and Futaba are lower latency, but it's such a small difference you likely would never notice it.
Great video, my track has four of us running nobles now. Two of the guys are towards the top 4 "over forty" rCerz
FYI Spektrum DSMR was not tested in this video but those have a documented 11ms response rate with Smart telemetry on. If you have a Spektrum PRO radio and PRO receiver, you can bind DSMR at 5.5ms but that is 1 way only (no smart telemetry). Regarding Futaba, I have no Futaba radios to test with but documentation says they are at or under 4ms in the newer protocols.
Awesome vid man
Super interesting & well presented. 😊
cool test and information
The Noble 4 is a must for me.I’m left handed.
Nice review
Good video 😸✌🏻
The NB4 has a "sport" mode. By default the radio uses 2 way communication. To set the radio in "sport mode", you need to set the RF to AFHDS3 1way, under Model/Radio Frequency Setup.
what does that do
@@buss1205 Removes bidirectional communication so you lose telemetry (signal lost warning) but improve latency.
Great video I was thinking of getting into racing a little and wondering what radio would be good hope you are going to do some more test
I don’t see much of a downside for the Noble. It’s much better value than Futaba or Sanwa for similar performance and features.
Ive been trying to find a lap time comparison with a traxxas TQI vs a higher quality radio. I cannot find this comparison anywhere on CZcams, im certain it would get a lot of views
Interesting test and very likely not noticeable difference on an off road track. How about range, do you plan on doing a range test? Wasn't this one of the issues with Spectrum when they first started in the race radio market that signal strength was a bit weak and range could suffer?
Spektrum DSM had a problem with how it chooses frequencies, causing interference. DSMR is better but still I think the competition protocols are better. Range I’m not too conferenced about as I’ll just be using this at race tracks not long distance speed runs, but a few have mentioned it so I’ll consider how to test range. I’ve seen a Noble used at the big Bego 1/8 track and it had no range issues.
I use the Hitec Lynx 4s and the Axion 2 receiver has a 4ms latency and thats fast too. It was the best until recently.
Great testing. I feel you should have included the Dumbo RC and RadioLink radios. Those two are two of the best cheap radios out there on the market. They both have excellent protocols and latency. not to mention the best range of most radios out there, including Futaba's and Sanwa's. Maybe you can test those next time?
Yes that will happen. I don’t have a dumbo but I do have a radio link to review
A DX5C vs Traxxas TQi. Is it a worthy upgrade for small track carpet racing?
I ordered flysky with 2 receivers for 196$. Futaba or Sanwa is starting from 320$. In my opinion so little difference is not worth paying so much more
Hi there, Great videos, what was the outcome of the tests with the Nobel, I am looking to buy one for crawler and buggy racing. Switching to wheel from sticks and using the sanwa ZZ. Cheers Neale I am in the UK
I race with the noble NB4 past 2 years. Like it a lot.
is throttle and steering trim switches or twistable knobs?
I would love to see a range test. I find my GT3C has way less range than my GT3B so I would really like to know how the Noble performs.
I expect it will be dependent on what receiver you use. The little Rx will have the worst range but I expect it will be adequate for most race venues. I’ll consider some range testing but I’m not sure best way to achieve that.. and it’s stupid cold out now. 🥶
Is the telemetry data you mentioned on the NB4 only from the receiver or is it getting info from the motor and esc as well? Does it also have car battery info? Just trying to understand the whole smart telemetry stuff.
Only from the receiver, showing it’s voltage and signal strength in 2 way mode. Additional telemetry would require sensors which I’m unsure if flysky supports. “Smart” telemetry IMO means it works without buying extra sensors and cables. Traxxas TQi and Spektrum Smart paired with their own brand ESC are the only smart systems I’m aware of.
@@netcruzer FlySky does have sensors which can be added, like temperature, voltage, etc.
Latency in the distance would be interesting
Great stuff John, I tried the one way protocol on vrc and it felt quicker (could be a placebo though 😁). I couldn’t get my v1 FGr4S receiver to bind on the 1 way protocol, maybe the v2 you have might? Interesting if it improves the latency further.
Overall I’m rapt with my NB4 and a small latency penalty isn’t an issue for me given all the other positives (I guess the top 5% of racers would not want the latency penalty, but for the rest of us it’s not an issue).
Would be great if you could do some back to back running at the track too (🤞 you can get back there soon). Thanks again!!
Phend uses Spektrum which is at best 5.5ms bind protocol, and for most DSMR radios it’s 11ms. So technically the Noble is lower latency than the best Spektrum that a world class A driver uses. Once you get this fast I don’t think it matters much but still interesting to see the input delay differences.
Oh I remember reading you won’t get a confirmation of 1 way bind because the radio doesn’t get a confirmation signal. Power off and on after a 1 way bind attempt and it should be linked.
John, cool video full watch big 👍. Enjoyed seeing a scientific comparison on CZcams. To many 🍎 VS. 🍊 videos, in my opinion.
Thanks, it’s doing well and people are interested. I’ll look into doing more like this with other radios to compare. Hope all is well. 👍
Seriously, you’re calling THIS a scientific comparison??? You obviously have ZERO understanding of the scientific process is all I can conclude as this video is about as far from scientific as you could get, short of just guessing the results! Where do I start? First off, his numbers are COMPLTELY WRONG!! All of them, not just some. Ok, so to make things super confusing, there are 2 latency numbers we’re told, for the NB4, 0.11ms and 1.23 SECONDS, ye, SECONDS. WTF?? How is it possible that ANYTHING could have a latency that stupendously long? It isn’t and I’ve no clue where that comes from. I think he shows something like 3s for the Traxxas, which is also absolutely incorrect. Worse still, he somehow managed to also obtain a latency of 0.11ms!! Again, WTF?? No rx on the planet has a latency that minuscule! If they did, it’d still be used to control military drones or similar, would be classified and not on sale to the public. Why would the manufacturer say it’s about 3ms if it could actually perform just under THIRTY times as fast? And this is what you’re calling a scientific comparison, you’re either delusional or as I initially stated, you simply do not understand the scientific process.
I’m not even going to bother pointing out the rest of the serious flaws in this setup and very bad failure at attempting to compare rx latencies. This is really an appalling ‘comparison’, if it could even be called a comparison. Hopeless (shaking head)!
Wow !!!!
It's a great video.
Thank you for sharing great information and great videos.
Always be healthy and happy. 👍😉😉😉👍
Do you have a Spektrum Dx5C or pro or similiar to compare the speed to the NB4? I would be interested to see if the Spektrum is in the same league as the NB4 or at least faster than the Traxxas.
I do have a DX5C smart. Those are 11ms advertised latency. It’s slightly quicker than traxxas 13ms. But nowhere close to Sanwa, Futaba, and the Noble. Those are all 4ms or less racing radios. Spektrum at its very fastest is 5.5ms but you need a PRO radio and a PRO rx and get no telemetry at 5.5ms DSMR.
Nice test I have a futaba t3pv do you have any idea how fast it is compared to the ones you tested I'm getting into racing should I upgrade or is it fine for racing?
Documented latency for that 3PV radio in normal S-FHSS mode is 14ms, and in high speed S-FHSS mode is 7ms and if you pair with a faster receiver and fast digital servo you can get latency even lower.
@@netcruzer thanks for your response👍
So if i got this right, the noble nb4 is faster?
what tires and wheels are you using?
Do a comparison with the futaba 7pxr and the Sanwa m17, that’s how can tell which one is the best no disrespect bro
Excellent comparison . Do you still recommend the noble nb4 till now or there is something new you can recommend. Thanks anyway
Still recommend the Noble NB4 in 2023. There is a Pro model too, but most (including me) don’t need the features it adds for the big price jump.
After watching videos, investigating and comparing, I even had purchased the pro, and returned and got the NB4 m. You can get the regular Noble for half of the price and they are the same. The pro just has some fancy extras. They are some crazy good extras but, after thinking about very well, NB4 is moreeee than enough
@@netcruzer Thanks a lot. Got it. And I love it. Hate the sanwa too)))
@@adrianchiloeches7262 Thanks alot. 👌
great video...would like to see someone do the same test on the radiolink rc4gs v2 or rc6gs v2.
great budget radio and super fast response and super long range.
I have a new in box RC6GS v2 and will test it. The on paper response rate is RTR spec (+13ms), but range is far.
Radio link is ok if your on a tight budget or banging around the house. But if your getting into racing you really want a quality system. Noble is the best for the price I love mine. But my Futaba 7PX is still the king of all transmitters. But it comes at a price.
@@roberttruesdell6151 What does that even mean, a “radio link”? 🧐 Every radio on sale uses a radio link, they always have. 😱 How else is the rx supposed to receive the transmitter commands if not by a radio link, you’d prefer a long cable instead? 🤔 Because that’s the only other option, wired or wireless. Maybe you think your Futaba uses some magic connection to your internal telepathic powers but mine sure doesn’t! 🤪 It uses a radio link, just like every other rc control system ever invented which is wireless.😱
@@aaronperelmuter8433 what the heck are you talking about? RadioLink is the brand. Learn before you spew off uselessness and then try and insult and be funny.
@@aaronperelmuter8433 dude Radiolink is the Brand of the transmitter and receiver the poster is using. Where is your confusion?
The 2 turn knobbs on the pistolgrip, do you think they will interfere when holding it righthanded?
No, they are above where your hand rests, either way.
You should be focusing on the servo horn, any slop in the system will show as latency. No different than the old steering box systems in real cars
Latency increases with distance I've noticed please re test at track distance
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Nice test..the traxxas was bad compared to the others... Wonder how the latest Ko propo radio would be they are supposed to be the fastest yet I believe.
They recently stated they have a very fast new radio, but I don’t remember seeing a number. Sanwa M17 in newest FH5T mode is 1ms, so It likely matches that.
Is it possible to be competitive in racing with a tqi if it was in a team associated car for example?
Yes, but eventually a radio upgrade will help you improve with its added features and lower latency.
@netcruzer Thanks, do you you think the Flysky fs-g7p is an upgrade from a tqi?
For the same price, should I get a brand new Noble NB4 or a used Sanwa M12?
That is a really difficult choice. M12 is technically a faster protocol, but I think that radio is too big and weighty. Noble NB4 is a more unique and futuristic build. Personally I’m keeping a Sanwa for onroad and Noble for off-road Racing use.
@@netcruzer what’s a good radio for on road and off road do you suggest
Are there any other left hand radios that are better but not over $250 if so please let me know. Thanks 😊
I don’t know of any. The Noble is well worth the price for this design and performance.
Do they all come with extra grips I didn't see one in my box
No, they sell a special edition for idiots, the “doesn’t come with everything, we decided to rip off special people” edition. Seriously, why would you even ask that? Have you EVER IN YOUR LIFE heard of something so ridiculous, perhaps next you’ll buy a tv but it’ll be the version without a screen or a car but your version doesn’t come with wheels and tires.
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After a year later, do you still use your NB4?
Yes, it's the radio I use for my Offroad racing and VRC
I have a Futaba 4pls. Any idea what the latency on that is?
Completely depends on what protocol you are binding with. According to RC TECH forum, here is Futaba latency.
Note that high speed usually requires a digital servo and higher spec receiver.
normal speed s-fhss 15ms
high speed s-fhss 6ms
high speed t-fhss 3.3ms
normal speed t-fhss 16ms
@@netcruzer Thanks for letting me know
Great video.....how much of that depends on the servo......you might get something different with faster servo.....
I used one of the fastest brushless servos I own to test this. I’m watching for the delay from when my hand moves the wheel to when the servo moves. The speed of the servo itself is a rating of the 60 degree sweep transit time. We are not as concerned about that. But a fast servo is what makes the traxxas radio also look fast when watching it in real time.
Nice video.. but, I think that those differences are not visible to normal every day user.. i use different radios, from cheap dumborc, over spektrum and traxxas till futaba.. and they all do they Job Great.. same thing as on my fpv drones.. few years back latency was big thing until dji digital fpv came out with waaaaaay worse latency than any average analog system.. and suddenly, latency is not a big deal 😄😄
Informative video!!!! If my 14 year old sees this vid.I'll never hear the end of it until I replace radio and servo in his baja rey. Lol!!! I can just hear the excuses. Sadly he's right (ur video) lol! By chance do you know the latency #'s for a Sanwa mx3x 12 years old. In great shape! Thank you for the visual comparison!!!
That older MX-3X is still good! It uses FHSS-3 (FH3) non telemetry 3 channel signal. I expect you are at ~4ms documented latency with that. A M11X with top spec FH3 receiver was 2.5ms. Sanwa does an interesting thing where the higher end Transmitters have lower latency even when binding to the same Rx as a lower end radio in that generation. AKA, your old Sanwa is still 2x as fast as a normal RTR radio for latency. The MT4 I have was what came after MX-3X and the big deal was adding 2 way telemetry on FH4T protocol without a latency penalty (~4ms). Then dropped to 2ms on MT4-S and beyond.
Thank you, wow that is nice to hear. 12 or so years old. Sanwa don't make this mx3x anymore do they? It is very responsive.
You can get a used MT4 for pretty close the same price as a brand new Noble
Have you tried testing it at 400 feet away ??? See how your response time is then.
Radio signal travels 180 miles in 1 ms so control distance isnt a factor.
Exactly HOW would you go about doing that, genius? How can one test something if they CANNOT SEE IT? How is anyone going to know what’s happening 400 feet away from themself? Honestly, that’s such an awesome idea, why not test it at 5000 feet? Seriously, WTF you on bro, I want some!
I know this is a fairly old video, but it’s very difficult to calculate with real accuracy. Was there delay at dead centre programmed in. The quality of receiver. Speed of hand could vary. All could make a difference. But unless your a world class driver it don’t matter. Y standard a one second delay wouldn’t make much difference 😂
How did we ever race on 75mhz
LOL, I wonder if the old FM radios are fast. Not as much computer processing and there was no frequency hopping. Remember having to choose your crystals and marking the radio boards? I do. 👴🏻
@@netcruzer I sitll use my old crystal radio. I know im making some crystal girly out there happy
Based on the latency, I would say that is not an upgrade at all :-(
Put it against a real samwa with fh5...
I want to! Maybe next top spec radio. I don’t like the M17 design
Man your latency number in red are in s not ms. It's 0.11s not 0.11ms. Does not help following the vid.
The math is wrong but I did all the same way so the comparison is accurate.
@@netcruzer Sure you did a fine job ! But maybe a disclaimer in the description would help.
I honestly thought that the Traxxas TQI was better than Both....?
In the car world, every benefit has a down side.
If you 'improove' something then you also loose something.
So now you 'improoved' when stuff happens, your car will do something badly.
It will be too fast at doing stuff.
You'll smash into the guide rope.
You tune in the steering to get track position.
no futaba. no real test.
No, of course it isn’t a real test. Because obviously, it was all make believe, complete fiction. Just like your brain, it’s complete fiction that you even have one. Matches your name though, must be your brain and your thought was Jon gone gone, no brain brain now.😱😢
Hi, please don't include any traxxas products in the future. They are an insult to the hobby industry.
It’s to compare RTR spec radio latency. The Traxxas actually has plenty of features such as over the air updates and telemetry than other brands don’t have. I’ll check Spektrum and other brands later. I’ll show and review almosf any hobby grade brand products.
I would argue that without traxxas the industry over all would be worse off. it brought in an entire generation at an affordable price point. Without that the RC industry would be much smaller, parts would be more expensive and you'd have less places to run your vehicles.