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What radio do you guys prefer?
DX6R
I want that white ko propo
I mean I have a pretty cheap radio called the dumborc and its really good! So I think it all depends on the person. Go expensive and spend more to get a lot of features. Go cheap and you can still get something pretty nice but with less features
Graupne X8E
I use a twin stick Futaba Attack III (FP-T2V) 75MhZ FM radio from the 90s. :D
I love my 70 dollar flysky GT5 radio. Super smooth and very comfortable. Its kind of funny to drive a $3000 car with a $70 radio but it works great.
I use the GT3 and it's great. 30 bucks all in. I run boats and cars and even an RC surfer in big surf easily 200 metres off shore and never an issue.
going from a vintage hitec lynx 27mhz radio to a flysky gt6 that is my improvment.
well something more pricy might be better during a race but that lynx radio got me to 9th in scandinavia cup 1:10ic 200mm as a rookie with at that point old mugen mtx2 that got a broken front drive during practice two days before race day (only rwd car in that race).
as i saw it i rather race a broken car and take a last place before doing a dnf.
The flysky gt5 was my first purchased transmitter and I loved it and still think that it's great in comparison to any transmitter feel, response, and features. On the other hand I picked up a (orange) edition DX5C smart transmitter and its been just as good with slightly better range. Both are hundreds cheaper, but gives the same results it comes down to ones thing. What's your preference and how freely do you spend money.
@@thelifeurbancorporate8246 you need to try Nb4..
And the UserInterface of FlySky is very comfortable. I would trust myself in competition-circumstances to do some changes on EndPoints, Exponential, etc. with a FlySky radio.
Interesting content …
Your cheap radio would be my expensive radio hahahah
Same
Kenny was flying! Cheaper radio definitely looked a lil "twitchier". Great vid. Thank you!
Great info - in some hobbies people (including myself) like to chase gear when really the best money spent is on tires and time at the track. This was a great experiment to demonstrate that.
Time at the track, that’s a dream that never comes true. Every time I try something is broken
Imagine being so good that your lap times are within 1/100's of a second of each other.... Pretty impressive.
A discussion as old as time. You're dad probably had the same discussions with friends about using a Futaba Magnum Junior vs Futaba Magnum PCM. I know I did.
I remember asking for a PCM because it looked cool and he said it wouldn't make me any faster! Still holds true today!
I still have both hiding in the back of a wardrobe somewhere😁
the radio that’s slower is the one you aren’t used to. people seeming to think they need the latest and greatest of everything usually suck in my experience 😂
Then how do you explain getting better average laps on the radio he wasn't used to?
👍😂🤣🍻
…track time….
It's not always the tool, sometimes it's who is behind the tool.
So the Tool behind the Tool matters? :O)
@@chaddthompson brilliant, that made me laugh so hard ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
it's almost Always who is behind the tool.
True.lol
The dx5c was out of the box stock setting... you also have to look at that your guys radios have been turn to ur car and drive style
But they already said that getting a more expensive radio wasn't that important so how does this change things? If anything, it just validates their point.
Loved Shaun’s “ Adios” at the end :)
Speaks a lot to the spektrum. To see a pro driver pick it up and with no time to get used to it immediately improve their times over their radio they have previous comfort with. Not what i expected the outcome to be for sure.
Yup, may be getting that spektrum!
yeah its not like he was using a 10 year old radio before he tried the spektrum...... youd hope it was better
Those 10laps are pretty consistent ngl!! That’s how I feel when I race in my SIM RACING
The DX5 actually has a little screw under the wheel to adjust spring tension!!! So you can fix that issue that yall were talking about, I also feel if you dove deep into the dx5 to mess with all the settings ypu could get it to your liking!! I love mine and definitely respect the sanwa radios! Just can't justify that price tag just yet!! 😁😁😁
The only difference are that the few things that can't easily change: you can add weight but you can't really take it away, the dropped wheel position and back-lit screen. Frame rate, wheel tension, and sensitivity can all that can be changed. If you actually change the settings you might find the 2 have damn near identical functionality.
At 16:14 Kenny's avg was better and 19:48 Ryan was all around better with the DX. Just shows that the most expensive isnt always the clear cut best. Peer pressure and the wants are bigger reasons to upgrade over necessity. These guys unscientificly showed improvement with a "lesser" transmitter that wasn't dialed in.
Exactly. I love my cheap Futaba 3PV
Would love to see a comparison between the $200 true racing tuned motor and a cheap $75 knock-off brand.
This I'd like to see as well
There’s maybe a .1 second per lap difference, it’s very marginal. But if you race at highest level that 0.1 matters. Not sure if it’s worth making an entire video over. Motor analyzers will show you with numbers what the difference is. Reality is you might see 1-3% more power from a $200 motor.
I would like the see the difference of a trinity of the shelf motor compared to a Trinity plus motor. It’s almost double the price.
I wonder if the higher end will have more efficiency equalling to longer run times
The “true” racing motors are the “knock off” brand with a new sticker applied and a 3x increase in price. Look at reedy for a prime example. The expensive ones are the true knock offs.
Im no major pro - but ive won quite a few A-Mains, plus end of year championships at our club with Futaba 3GR sticks driving Yokomo BMAXs! It all to do with how comfortable you are with whatever you use. I bought a Futaba 4PK wheel just to see if i was missing out on things - i had it 3 months, and just didnt feel comfortable with it. Maybe i needed to give it a bit more time.
Awesome stuff. Most basher guys use the Spektrum DX5C. Even i do
I haven’t raced my 4wd buggy since September last year because it’s been broken so anytime I see a 4wd video I get happy
As a racer that last week finally upgraded to a proper Santa m12rs, I should be able to chime in on this. I had a fly sky fsgt3b that I bought 5 years ago. I lipo converted it and at one point, had 9 running models on the remote. I was always made fun of, until other racers realized I was faster with my remote that costs less than a receiver for a high end remote. No, it does not have all the bells and whistles, but it got the job done. To me, the sanwa feels like it has more sensitive inputs. The servos move exactly how your wheel does, versus the fly sky where it “numbs” the inputs. I think the remote is definitely important in high end racing, but if you club race or just want to run on a budget, you don’t need to spend 400 dollars.
Dang! You got a Santa Radio! I'm jealous
I guess it comes down to how far you want to take your race skills...I'm a pipe welder, so from a different perspective I can only achieve my best welds that keep expanding with better gear and greater options to push my limits...not to say I cant achieve greatness with bare minimal basics, but the new gear pushes you to achieve a much higher level and discover out of the box levels never thought possible. Ingenuity isn't a bad thing. That's what made these cars evolve thru ghost ed years.
THANK YOU many times over for doing this demonstration. Looking at getting back into the hobby after a 20+ year hiatus and trying to decide on a radio and budgets and what not.. This really eased my mind and helped me tremendously.
Basically you’re buying features and ability to switch settings for different cars but maintain the same radio. Just like everything else, features drive the cost not the abilities.
Ive been waiting for a video like this. Its great info. Ill save the 600 bucks
When I did race, I used the spektrum DX4C. I also have a futaba 4PLS that I tried for a while. I went back to the spektrum. You can tweak the steering and throttle expo in the spektrum To your driving style. The DX4C is a great radio And I never had any problems with it..
I still haven't been given a solid reason to upgrade from my Flysky GT3. Its plenty accurate, has the settings I care about and its certainly not a limiting factor in my lap times. I don't think my driving ability will ever reach a point where this transmitter is what's hindering my lap times. Also receivers are $10 so I use it for both my race buggies and my 1/18 crawler.
I’m trying to get back into racing on a budget.
Thank you very much for making this video and doing the testing.
Two thumbs up 👍🏻👍🏻
Great video superb transparency on the whole testing from start to finish Great information in this video and peace of mind for the beginner and the old guys coming back in the hobby from long breaks in driving
I learned on a dx3r pro and absolutely loved it. At DNC this year 20 minutes before my main it decided to not bind for like 5 minutes even when rebinding. Went home that weekend and bought an m17 just so I could have confidence with it. I now absolutely love the M17. It’s so freaking nice! I still don’t know how to use all the stuff on it though, I really need to study it
Love your channel Ryan! Thank you for sharing this comparison. Very helpful.
A poor crafts person blames their tools, my 1st radio was 30 bucks and didn't upgrade until I needed to. Practice is key. Great VT.
You’re absolutely right couldn’t have said it best it doesn’t matter how much you paid is what you have and what you do with it is what matters
@@christophermontalvo9013 I have seen people using bog standard gear and hit the apex and drive smooth laps.
If you take your time making sure you set up well, that's half the battle. Small adjustments and one thing at a time. I have a tamiya M05, I upgraded the shocks and made sure I measured them so they were all the same length, and slowly put the tension on the springs. That all I needed to do. Then spent time with how it would grip into the corners, to that sweet lift off over stear. I love that chassis and know it so well to point where I can feel the limit of grip.
If it was flysky gt3 they were the fastest radios on the market. If so your point is moot. Nobody is running comp with a 30 dollar radio not even the poor kids lol.....I'm one of them.
@@bluddywulf6796At comp levels sure, but lots of people aren't racing at a high level. At a club level I can place well using a GT3. I just upgraded to a Futaba 4PM+ however, but the radio isn't taking half a second off my laps, it's more quality of life features.
honestly that spektrum has a lot of features and a good model memory
Great video really enjoyed watching how you guys take the lines and jump.
when you get into the higher end radios you gain adjustments that could make you faster like the ability to speed up or slow down the steering and throttle curve, fine tuning your braking.
I've won against some pretty fast dirt oval racers here in Iowa and I use that same DX5c radio! Lol. There is a good amount of adjustments on that radio and you can control DR, throttle throw, and brake throw with your thumb.. I love that radio, but then again I'm just used to it
Great video. The spectrum budget radios I feel are the best value for money radios on the market.
Awesome comparison. Thank you for the insight!
I have the DX5C and I’ve only been into racing for about 4 months. About 90% of the time I can make it to the A main and finish 4th or 5th. There is only one thing I didn’t like out of the box and that was the grip needed to be glued to the wheel. I was able to pick mine up before the prices went up for $100. Great entry level radio for sure.
Awesome video as always man! I think my tobbies in the university mall has radios on display which hopefully there people can see how the radio feels. Keep it up man!
AMAZING!!! I'm 3years into RC and just got my M17 2months ago. It does feel a lot nicer than my older radio but I'm not faster yet :-)
Respect buddy for all the sincere and honest review
Excellent video. Good comparison backed up with numbers. Great job.
I'm a little late, but this a pretty good comparison video. I was using a DX5pro for the last year or so, and won an M17 at the Roar Carpet Nats, so I switched over to that. I didn't feel like the DX5pro was keeping me back, but "feel" is a hard thing to quantify, and feel was the biggest difference in changing radios for me. With the DX5pro, I could turn fast laps, but if there was a crash, I never could definitively tell if it was me or the car.
My wife also races, and she doesn't notice anything with the radio, but I'm also only watching her car to tune the car, so she keeps getting quicker.
For me, I have to watch my own cars, nobody else is doing it, and with the M17, I have no doubts which car behavior is because of me, and which is because of setup, so overall I've gotten faster. Equal setup, the more expensive radio hasn't made me faster, but eliminating that question mark has made me faster overall.
At the end of the day, a radio is only going to make you faster in the right situations, otherwise, radios today are really good, regardless of brand.
Tracks looks sick and love the intro with the drone footage... awesome video! 👌
I Have a Sanwa MTS I absolutely love the MTS is a Mid tier radio.
My MTS which came with a antennaless receiver WHICH I put in my EB410.2. I picked up a MX6 for my son.
This is great content. Such a good message to racers out there
I've had the dx5c for a few years and switched to the MTS this year and it felt like it has so much more control over the car and it feels more connected with the car with a significantly shorter response time
Developing that feel over time is so important!
After a 10+ year hiatus from racing I'm finally shaking the rust off! Since my Futaba 3PK was no longer supported from Spektrum, I picked up a DX5 Pro. Actually like it. Only thing I've noticed really is that instead of -5 expo, I have it set for -15 expo. That may change as I try to get back to par on just driving.😊 It has the drop down wheel adapter that I may throw on at some point to match my old 3PK! Great video!
More expensive will not make you faster, it all depends on preference and skill level. Some radios just feels better in our hands. The Kyosho RTR radios are possiblity the best RTRs out there
I’ve used the dx5c since i got back in the hobby in 2018 and love it. I wish it had the throttle curve feature like the more expensive transmitters but I’ve learned how to do basically the same thing in the Exponential setting. 17sec lap time with that dx5c 🤔💪🏾
In all fairness the track was getting grippier as the night went on by a bit, so any speed I gained was most likely the track getting easier to drive on. Not much, but just a little.
@@RyanHarrisRC I can agree tracks do pick up, but give the little radio that could it's props lol...
I like the DX5C. Using it going on 2 years. My dislikes are minimal. 1: can't move the wheel up or down, but if you are used to it it's fine. 2: the foam comes off the wheel. Had to glue it so it wouldn't just spin. 3: Can't see screen on the stand. No back lighting. Knowing not what a fancy radio has. I'm pretty happy with it. Oh lastly have to use AA batteries. I think there is battery pack upgrade to that radio, but I'd save the money for another radio at some point. Thanks that's my 2 cents.
IF its got the features you need an you like it should be good for you, any radio cheap or high end your going to to have to get used to it either way. just run what you like an fits your budget.. cool vid Ryan...
So, I use to race a lot as a kid in the Gold Pan days and had a Futaba that I used. I had other radios but I liked it the best back then. I started to get back into racing and ended up with the Spektrum DC3C and I didn't have an issue with driving it. However, I moved up to the DX3-R Pro and I love that radio. I still use it for all of bashing cars, boats, 5th scales, speed run cars and such... Team Grid made a custom aluminum drop down for the steering and I absolutely can't live with out it. I see how going back to a high steering wheel can feel off. But, when you start with it, you don't notice it.
He was just used to the other radio its all about adjustments that $100 dollar radio can do the same as the $600 with fewer options because there are all radios that are made from this planet earth.
i went from a spectrum DX5 Rugged to a T7PX and dont regret it.
not from a faster time perspective or something, but the build quality, menu layout and handling and overall feel is so much better.
also i got the dx5 rugged for a good price and sold well, too..
but i'm only racing since one year, definately fun!
You are a king for making this thank you. I have a Futaba 4PM and people are telling me the Sanwa M17 is a yyyyuuuugggee difference
Good comparison! I just switched from an old
4Pk to 7pxr. I love the new radio and my driving improved but I'm going to say it's a placebo effect lol. I was told I needed a new radio to be competitive and this clearly debunks that. Thanks!
I had a Sanwa mx6 and upgraded to a futaba 4pm. The futaba is night and day different. My lap times were easily a second or 2 faster with the 4pm. The mx6 just feels horrible.
I use Futaba 7pxr because i drive lefty so it's the only reason i'll spend that much. All the setting option are great but the only thing that really help me is the fact that can hold my remote correctly.
Very happy with my $200.00 Flysky NB4.
Great video im busy desiding between 2 futaba radios one is a bit more expensive but has some more features than the cheaper one other than that they are basically the same. It was a tough decision but i think id rather save the money and get another battery or something
Great video. The Scientific method + double driver commentary was excellent!
This is so funny I've thought about this before how this would impact the performance of the rc. Great content really enjoyed the video. Till the next one. Primo
Great video Ryan.
It would be nice to see a further comparison with a digital screened (with EPA) but budget end (< $50) unit to show where the sweet spot is for newbies.
I have and have used a dx5c for years in my crawlers, and I love it. When I started drifting I bought a Futaba 4pm, and I love it as well. Now, I’m looking at the idea of starting racing for the first time in about 30 years, and this gave me a bit of assurance that I needed. Now I know I’ve already got a decent radio to use if/when I start racing, so thanks for that!
I fully expected a big difference in lap times right out of the gate when switching radios. Not because I think the dx5c is an inferior product, but because both of you have a lot of experience with your current setups, and likely have the settings tweaked to perfection. What I think would be an interesting comparison would look something like this: take a box-stock RTR of your choice and run the same comparison. 10 laps with the RTR radio, then 10 laps with the dx5c, then 10 laps with your preferred radio. My personal opinion is that there will be a noticeable improvement from RTR to dx5c, and then a marginal difference between the dx5c and your preferred radio. And that reflects the lifecycle of a novice to a pro racer. As a novice, you’re just out having fun and learning the ins and outs. As an amateur, you make a few upgrades to your vehicle and your skill level. Once you go pro, you search everywhere and try anything looking for that last little bit of speed, that next fraction of a second.
Just my 2 cents
good comparison, seems right too!!
I use the flysky noble
Great to see ya Kenny and Shawn 🤙🏼 happy racing my friends
You should've been out there with us tbh
@@RyanHarrisRC thanks brother 🤙🏼🙏
Most radios today the latency can be adjusted. Latency=feel mid to high end radios are all good it comes down to feel and bells and whistles. Great review Ryan love you your channel. Current hobbits past racer
If you ever do this I again I think it would be fun to try like a flysky gt3b so it goes down into super low budget radios coming in around 30-40 dollars
I use this radio. It's about 30 bucks. It's great and range is great. I use it on RC surfer and some Tamiya cars. Extra receivers are under 10 bucks and smallest I've seen. Great product.
When he said it feels different, of course it does! As far as I’ve ever learned, the only difference in the radio is what features you want/need to have. The rest is on you. I’ve actually never considered any radio truly “better” in terms of performance over another. Signal strength, sure. But actually driving, no. Great video and thanks for it!!
Awesome video dude I hope to see you again somewhere this video will hopefully let people understand why we spent the extra $400-$500 on a radio and just a little tip with the m17 I saw that when you turned it on it didn’t go to the home page on the top of the radio is switch 2 it’s pressed in btw causing that I’ve had to tell way too many people that
The Dx5c is a great radio for the price point however when we were selling them we had a hard time getting them to cooperate with some models we finally figured them out my preferred radio is a spectrum dx4r it does great for what I need
not sure now. but spektrum used to be banned at a lot of tracks.
really great vid! goes to prove that money doesn't necessarily buy performance! As a relative noob I'd be interested to see how you guys tune or use your radio's features (though this vid would say its not needed), ie what's useful and whats not, and how it should be used
Good stuff Ryan, well done. :)
Thanks Ryan. A very informative video
I believe the spring rate on the wheel is adjustable, too, so you could quickly get that extra snap out of the wheel.
I returned to the hobby after twenty years via FPV drone racing. I got myself a Sanwa MT44, but found it really limited. I ended up going to my FRSKY x-lite instead and I've found it much easier to use and set up. It's also considerably cheaper!
I have both radios. Dx5c for all my bashers and m17 for my race cars and my drag car. Both serve a different purpose and are a huge upgrade over stock radios
Kenny is fast at anything he drives! Good kid!
I remember when I started racing with an old 100 usd Futaba Megatech radio and upgraded to a KO Propo Mars EX-1. It wasn't only the different feel, it was quicker in response and had more adjustment I didn't have before. These little differences gave me some more possibilities to adjust as well as a more connected feel to drive.
Mod with a small 2s and the DX5C sheds some weight and feels much more comfortable in the hand. 2 years of hard use on mine and it is still going strong. Numerous times wind has blown it off the car onto pavement. Has all kinds of bumps and bruises, haha.
You both found that the tension of the wheel was a bit tight. I am actually very surprised that neither of you mentioned that the tension can be adjusted. I don't own that transmitter but I did played with it in the past and it can easily win races.
Muscle memory and what you get used to. A good experienced driver can adapt to anything. A newbie like me just needs to put in the track time. I'm amazed how fast you guys recover from a crash. That breaks your rythum and concentration cause your brain is still driving down the track and you have to re sync your muscle memory to that track.... I can't watch athletic sports on TV but I get into a trance when I watch you guys on the track. Your lucky you have friends at your skill level to go hit the track. I would have liked to see you both on the track with the same spectrum radio after you did the test just to see if the competition factor would quicken your lap times but that would me buying to of those test radio's. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for the video, awesome comparison, not much of a difference in lap times, this radio is a good solid base as a race radio, you can even argue that unless you’re a top tier driver at your local track, upgrading the radio is not going to make much of a difference👍
I find consistency is way more important than lap times. I've raced with an m17 and a dx5c and felt more comfortable and more consistent with a m17. Now I have also used the mt44 and it was just as nice as the m17. Feel is definitely way important.
Great Vid! I would love to see what you guys do on a Spektrum DX5 Pro switching between 5.5ms /11ms frame rates. I use both and can't tell a difference honestly...
I'd love to see you a comparison between cheaper servos and the million dollar servos that we all move up to eventually. Or or a comparison between cheap lipos and more quality pricey lipos. But I spend probably more on trying different servos than anything. Good video keep it up
Nice video,
Thanks for sharing
Great video!
Would love hear what you guys think about the "feel" if the Spektrum DX5 Pro 2021 edition as it seems to have more of those customizable features like spring tension, throttle throws, and steering wheel drop down (as well as grip thickness)
Thanks for the video, i was looking at the DX5C and your video let me know that any difference in latency is so minimal it wont be noticeable
You'd just be buying steering end points, multiple vehicle and possibly a better feel in hand. That's why I bought it.
I think if you use the cheap transmitter for a long period of time it would become just as affective as the higher dollar transmitter. Only thing this proved imo is a newly opened transmitter is going to feel diffrent than the one you are accustomed to and as a result until you are used to it, its going to give you slower lap times.
They both got faster times with the DX5c
Thks for sharing mate really helped!👍
That's the video I was looking for!!
As a newer driver I actually started with a radio from my ProSC10 RTR. Definitely felt cheap but you have to start somewhere. The limited adjustments helped me focus on actually driving instead of tinkering with settings. I moved up to the DX5C and it gave me more as understanding of what each function did and the value of making those adjustments especially for off-road racing. I ended up starting to race on road and found for me that the spektrum didn’t fit as well for the change in discipline. I now use the futaba 4pm and it’s my go to radio. It’s a little more expensive than the spektrum but has a better overall feel and it shows in my lap times not because it’s more expensive but because I have better car control because I can feel how the car responds to the inputs from my hands. In my opinion comfort equals better performance in this aspect.
Feel is everything!
Great video! I hear a lot of guys trash talking the cheaper radios and I don't understand why, since I've used many different radios in just the last couple of years. In my opinion, it would be difficult to find an absolutely terrible hobby-grade radio nowadays.
I have a Spektrum DX4C and I feel great with it. I've tried also a Sanwa MT-44 and a MT-S from two friends and I couldn't get the feel of what the car was doing. I've also let them try the DX4C and they both said they had difficulties with the trigger being too small and that braking was harder compared to the Sanwa's because of the longer range. I guess it's a subjective thing. The only way you can determine what's best for you is trying as many radios as possible.
Really even budget radios are really good nowadays. I have a $50 radio set that has response and range that absolutely blows away some of my friends super-expensive "race" setups from like 3ish years ago. That being said I do sacrifice a lot of adjustability in things like Expo and some other fine-tuning options. I don't use the $50 radio in my race build but I do use a slightly higher-end Rx/Tx setup from the same company. (Radiolink)
Ryan,
Would love to see what you use for radio settings. Expo, feeling, D/r etc. i know it’s all personal preference and feel Bht you’re faster than I and I’m sure I can learn from your information!
I went from a Traxxas radio (which fit my hand very well) to a Futaba 3pv. I needed the functionality of a better radio. I had to modify it with 1/2 inch foam to make the grip bigger, and wrapped it with tennis racket tape. This is a great video to show you don't have to spend money to get better, just get what fits your needs and hands.
What does the traxxas tqi radio do bad?
@@MX-CO The main thing for me was steering trim. When you change models, say you have 3 rc cars, the steering trim for each will be different, and I didn't want to use a dial to change it everytime, I wanted it programmed. But many settings are like that, where you want to set everything for each car, and when you switch car, you don't want to have to dial everything again, you want them all preset and saved for each.
excellent driving skills
I raced with a guy that learned how to drive with his steering reversed so that’s how he drove. But he could seamlessly transition from his car and tx to anyone else’s and could still whip and do blistering laps. There is a minimum threshold for how good a transmitter needs to be before it is a limiting factor to how fast or consistent a driver can be. But basically any hobby grade transmitter now is pretty close to that or better.
I got the dx5 rugged and it's amazing how customizable it is. Not sure all the bugs are worked out of the firmware yet.
Just got word back and it's going in for warranty repair!