Floatwheel ADV Pro vs Fungineers SuperFlux - Uphill torque test!
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
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Finally another crazy hill climb test! This time with top dawgs in the VESC world: Floatwheel adv pro vs Fungineers' SuperFlux motor with Floatboxx controller by Rob. No regular fm boards could make it 30% up this hill.. Average slope is 26°/50% grade, steepest part is 32°/62.5%😱
Floatwheel is 84V, SuperFlux powered by 75V ME4T pack by Mario Contino. Which one would you guess wins? The result may surprise you.. Either way both are insane torque and power monsters!!
Floatwheel vs DIY vesc, the future of motion is truly exciting🔮
Where to get your next board?
Pre-assembled board:
www.floatwheel.com - for fully assembled boards
DIY board:
www.makerspev.com/?aff=3 - 'Lil Focer' VESC controller
www.fungineers.us - for SuperFlux motor, Thunder Rails, BMS and more
www.floatboxx.com - Aluminum controller box
www.theboardgarage.com - Custom performance battery packs and BMSs
Chapters:
00:00 intro
00:35 boards motor configs
01:09 floatwheel attempt 1
01:40 superflux attempt 1
03:30 32 degree slope
04:04 superflux attempt 2 with RT data
05:00 going down the hill lol
05:50 floatwheel attempt 4
07:40 bonus floatwheel clips - Zábava
Great video! Ending was so sick!
Much appreciated homie🙌🏻
Super impressed by the Superflux!
I knew it'd be good but not that good!
Can’t wait for my FW, I won’t be doing ANYTHING like this but I’m 6’5” and 210, I love seeing this kind of power
Yeah Max, nice video! You should have trusted ATR on that downhill! Lets you descend nice and easy, no need to send it. Btw - temps would have been nice to see!
kinda traumatized from the past experience to go down it again haha. It's also super hard n rutty! I thought the ESC temp and motor temp gauges in bottom corners of RT data screen recording or is there something else.
First video of yours. I subbed cuz you send it. That first hill with the crash was gnarly. I own a pint and love it for what it is. Cheers
Much appreciated! Hill 2, me 0 😅 my first board was og pint and learned how to ride 22mph to keep up on group rides. It teaches u to be a better rider. Cheers dude 👊🏻
i did not expect THAT much of a difference! superflux looking pretty sexy!
me neither, especially the superflux didn't crunch or get over saturated! Granted the sf was set at a higher motor current (since it can handle more), so I'm gonna try this hill again with the sf at the same current as fw
The comparison I was waiting for!
me too lol
If you put the floatwheel at 150/150, and it didn't explode, it would have crushed that hill i suspect.
Seems pretty high stakes for finding out 😆 they recommended to go only as high as 130/-130/200 so I didn't want to risk it heh
@@MaxxSend i wouldnt risk mine if i had one, but im sure people will gradually push all the limits in every direction over time
Watching this again... Thanks for the comparison video. Two beast boards, indeed.
You can't go wrong with both, absolute torque monsters!
Instant like :D I was thinking about making the same video but we are not that well organized at burnerz yet! :D Thanks Maxx for sharing! This one is awesome!
Much appreciated! Videos take so long to make 😮💨 keep rippin that fw baby!
Maxx, thank you for the awesome video that hill looks really steep. I'm getting a SuperFlux for my VESC XR soon 👍
For sure man, you'll love it! Buttery smooth and outputs so much power.
Nice video! You chould change the current setting of the floatwheel to 134A so you have the same output. Now you got almost 1200w more power on the superflux.
thanks! according to floatwheel they recommend only going as high as 130/-130/200A, but I set it at 120/-120/220 to not get as high to possibly fk things up. I'm sure there are other tweaks that can be made to make the fw motor more efficient. They were pretty close. Superflux is only around 20% duty cycle during peak climb, imagine the wattage during high speed runs..
@@MaxxSend Okey. Would be nice to see the temperature of the floatwheel and see if it can handle more power.
Heck yeah! We've got OPTIONS now!! 👏🙌🔥
Top options that offer the best of vesc! 😏🦾
For now! Future Motion is of course doing everything they can to remove those options based on their bogus patent.
he's back!
coool ⚡️ more of your thoughts/feels please 🙏🏾🤙🏾
thanks dude, workin on more!
i swear i saw you hit that skinny at 8:00 at the western regionals last year! 🔥🔥🔥
hell yea bud, with a body varial on the last drop yee 🙌
And that was just the default settings for FW, WOW!! 👏👏👍👍
Not default, it was on Hannes trail tune and motor current maxed out to 120/-120/220. Still a monster of power!
Awesome dude
Thanks for the tests Maxx. It only gets better from here ;)
Where's team Funwheel at lol
Fosho bro thanks for your patience. It was a journey to get this funwheel assembled 😁 truly super flux power, you created a beast⚡
First time hearing of ya guys and I gotta say I'm suuuper interested! I havent trusted my XR for the past year or 2 now so it just sits and I ended up switching over to a high torque EUC but im dyinggg to ride a board that isnt going to get me killed. I'm 6'3 225 lbs so I desperately need the extra juice lol
The tune of the boards I think can make a lot of difference in that behaviour. Not a real comparison test, but really funny 🤣
The tune is the same for both boards, hannes' trail tune. Here to entertain 😊
Great test !! Would love to know if this is version 1 or 2 of motor ?
It was awesome seeing 2 titans going head2head. V1 torque monster 💪🏻
If I already have an XR with rails I like what would be the price comparison to build a super flux?
you need to get a 'lil focer' VESC based controller from MakersPEV to be compatible with superflux, cannot use with fm controller. Price for controller is ~$430-700, Superflux is $400. links in description
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Would have been interesting to see a GT attempting it for the glorious fail.
Maybe float needs some other rails on it for more ground clearance?
I am shocked!!! Please test using the remote, I think floatwheel should easily go up the hill with the remote? Would also like to see the max power, current and motor and mosfet temp after like 3 attempts on each board 😅. No need to send it going down hill, use atr 2.5!
I'm not a fan of the remote, will leave that up to someone else to try. But both boards didn't scrape nose! It was the fw's motor that started crunching or stalled. I can try to remember to do the RT data for each after 3 attempts, but currently the bluetooth is having issues with the fw. Can't bring myself to go down again, traumatized by the dozen thistle thorns I got a few years ago
@@MaxxSendyeah take care. Don’t attempt it again, lucky you didn’t break anything. Look crazy when you fall like that.
When you get the supeeflux motor does it come with the adapter to the wiring to connect it to a controller?
There are 3 phase wires that plug directly into the lil focer controller
Are both the same motor current settings? I only saw the current setting of superflux +/-150A
no not the same, check 00:35. Floatwheel recommended the max current to be 130/-130/200. I didn't want to risk it so I did 120/-120/220
does the super flux just plug and play with a XR controller? would a street pro 2fit on it? should I be asking these questions else where?
no the SF is not compatible with XR controller. You must get a 'lil focer' VESC based controller from MakersPEV (link in description). Once you get the VESC controller it is pretty much plugging in 3 phase wires from motor into the controller. Any 6" tire fits on the SF. For more detailed info regarding SF hit up Fungineers on ig @fungineerstech
@@MaxxSend good to know 🤔 was thinking about building a non FM board anyway soooo :D
@@JwadeProductions7 do it sooner than later! you'll be thanking me :)
is that the SuperFlux HS or HT?
Nice work!!! Have you tried a GT on that hill out of curiosity?!
Would love to see the GT with custom shipping on that hill, mind you!
Much appreciated!! I didn't even bother cuz a vesc with stock xr 62v battery outperforms a gt by a mile, and the 62v vesc only made it up 30% of this hill..
czcams.com/video/fwLTDvaJ_dQ/video.htmlsi=t9TIfLz7E5EfLkfk
@@wayofflow955it wouldn't do well I guarantee you, or the controller would shut down! Check out my first hill climb tests of stock 62v vesc vs gt 😂 czcams.com/video/fwLTDvaJ_dQ/video.htmlsi=t9TIfLz7E5EfLkfk
@@MaxxSendI am pretty sure of it also, yeah if you compare GT to vesc too much it would make FM look too bad. My GT motor temperature going up the same hill is 10 degrees hotter compare to xr/vesc. That show the inefficiency of the designs!
Gt would die. It's a shit board .
How much heavier is the superflux?
superflux is about 5lbs heavier than hypercore. but the floatwheel is about 8-10lbs heavier than the entire superflux board
Hey great video. Its it possible to price your products so that it is cheaper than buying the Floatwheel? Adding up the prices of all the parts and shipping, the cost of the DIY is way more expensive after consideration of build time. The parts need to be at least 25% cheaper. Please comment and let the community know if you will reduce your prices so that the DIY kit costs less than just buying the Floatwheel.
thanks dude! but I don't make any of these parts, way above my pay grade hahah. Depending on your desired setup your DIY parts may indeed be more than FW. This is because of each company factoring in their time and profit separately, along with shipping, so yes it adds up..
DIY route is for those who want a specific setup to their riding style. If you currently don't have any parts yet, the best route is FW hands down. All the important components such as battery, BMS, controller, motor etc are all sourced for you for a fair price. You get wayy more power than GT too. Watch my most recent vid at the end Conclusions so you may better understand why. You'll see how FW is constantly developing new ideas and innovation, and they back their products 110%. Check out: czcams.com/video/kC3eK4aHuUY/video.html
What app are you using to figure out the gadient of the hill?
the surface level widget on samsung
I gotta ask… is it on the low setting for the FW?
it's near the max motor current recommended by FW: 130/-130/200. I set it at 120/-120/220
Since the GT S-Series is 113V, GT is also participating in the steep-climbing showdown!?🤣
I don't know how to buy one of those (apart from the regular onewheel that is very expensive and less powerful). That is a difficult device to have if you are in a country away from the ones who are testing/making even more individually. Floatwheels are bought in crypto. Can anyone help ? Where can I find someone who makes it for me and send to my country me paying ?
Why is the VESC app showing only like 1000 watts when you’re climbing up a hill like that? Doesn’t seem right.
as you can see duty cycle only averages around 20% for this uphill torque climb. More duty is utilized for high speed runs. I was surprised to learn that too during the first hill climb tests last year.
Man that's a serious hill. My Propel X4S2 wouldn't be able to get my fat ass half way up that 😅
you'll need way more torque than that, even with a skinny dude haha. The upper half is insane in person.
I thought you said you weren’t gonna bother comparing the two boards dude. I knew you’d do it. Now the competition is on. That’s wild dude the vesc is out preforming the float wheel
I said I wouldn't bother comparing with the boring gt.. do u see a fm board here? Not trying to clown, but u tend to miss my message my dude! My whole purpose now is to compare Floatwheel and DIY vescs..
Finally something we can agree on. I didn’t miss your message I did read it. You said “ I won’t bother comparing the DIY vesc and the float wheel with the “boring” GT” You just exposed my point don’t compare and FM board to a VESC! the comparison is unrealistic. I didn’t say there was an FM board in that video bruh. Of course the VESC is better. I do have to say tho the onewheel GT is the best out of the box onewheel you can get and it’s the most reliable and has lots of head room for push back which is making the GT way more trustworthy and reliable with plenty of torque and Calling the Onewheel GT "boring" isn't cool at all. I do the endurance racing with the GT I don’t own one but I used a friends board to race once and I’m going like top 33.8 mph on it. And his onewheel is stock. because there are many people who have this board and take pride in it being their ride of choice. It might make them feel like what they ride is not considered 'cool'. Talking down on the the GT isn’t okay?
@@MaxxSend It is extremely dangerous to use an 84V controller on a 63V battery, as the controller is designed for usage at a higher voltage. This could cause the battery to become overcharged and cause destruction of the battery cells. It can cause a fire
@@M.Grayson405bro your so overly dramatic Lol it’s just a damn comparison video it not that big of a deal.
@@M.Grayson405 no dude we still don't agree and you still don't fully understand lol I have 0% regret of comparing the vesc vs fm boards back in the day. It was what helped people understand just how much potential vesc tech has for the aftermarket and open source worlds. But it wasn't always better than fm. How would you have known that "of course the VESC is better"? Prior to me comparing vesc vs fm in May 2022, most people in North America were still unsure and hesitant about vesc, for good reason because it was still lacking in performance for the onewheel and the ride not as good as fm programming. Then with those comparison videos and further improvements thereafter it helped spur the movement and interest here in the US. Since then many more intelligent people have joined to help further improve the vesc programming to finally surpass that of fm's programming about 5 months later after I made the comparison vids. Fast forward to now, I again repeat there is no need to compare vesc to fm anymore because vesc performance and programming has far surpassed that of fm, but it *didn't start that way, and has never always been like that*. Here is the main point: vesc wasn't inherently better than fm. There had to be comparisons from the beginning and a lot of work had to be put in to get there! Please try and understand that, that is the most I can lay it out for ya.
Lastly, I shall keep saying the gt is boring cuz it's my opinion :) Didn't you say we can have our own opinions? I'm not trying to change yours, just trying to help you understand the background of why it was crucial that I used to compare vesc and fm, and now why I don't. You can twist that to however you like.
Who makes the SuperFlux? Thanks.
www.Fungineers.us
It's an organization called Fungineers.
Is this the high torque motor or high speed?
Crazy torque motor. But it has hit 27mph already so it doesn't slack in speed either
I wonder which stators weight more, I he heavy stator should have more copper making the he electromagnetic stronger hence the more torque. Seem if the cannon core has a larger opening it would has less room for copper. Any thoughts on that theory? If fungineers and Tony tells us the amount of copper in the stator we can pretty much tell the stronger motor!!!
I'll send fungineers this message and see if he can shed some light!
According to fungineers: "It's simple what we did was put the maximum amount of copper possible, the more copper, the more current the motor can turn into usable power, before being saturated, known as stator saturation. So with a hypercore, the amount of copper is tiny, it can take a few amps but after that any more current is just turning into heat. The SF also has larger wires so a lesser resistance to current and more usable power can be successfully transferred"
fuck yeah
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@@MaxxSendthanks for getting the feedback, yeah it make sense. I’m pretty impressed with the SF motor, no overheating so far. Not sure if the little little focker or the motor is the limiting factor for more torque at this point assuming the mosfet are cooled properly!
Is this a v1 or v2 canoncore?
v1 torque monster baby!
Heyho from Germany!😀 Why didn´t you set the rails up, like the rails from your superflux? There could be another result. Float on! ☺
waddup! I like riding trails lifted for more clearance, so just kept it like that since the floatwheel's tire is bigger than the trail pro on superflux so clearance was nearly identical at around 5 inches. The floatwheel only scraped the nose once, so clearance wasn't an issue, it was always the fw motor crunching or stalling out. Biggest factor is that the superflux can take more current than cannoncore.
Would a stock GT make it?
Stock gt is worse than a vesc with stock XR battery.. not even worth comparing. Check this out: czcams.com/video/fwLTDvaJ_dQ/video.htmlsi=hXthA5NNdT83yUQr
What's a superflux??
I have a feeling its just cuz the floatwheel tire having less grip ngl, maybe slap a real tfl enduro on there and compare again or slap on the same tire as the one on your superflux, u keep getting a slight bit of wheel slip which brings yr nose down and u end up getting stuck and spinning even more
The Enduro also slips out super easy. There just isn't a lot of tread on it. I swapped my Enduro to a Slayer on my SuperFlux build and I get way more traction.
The reason the FW gets some wheelslip is cuz this is the first gen motor in which the magnets have been setup to get more low end torque. Sure a different treaded tire may help a tiny bit, but only one attempt did the FW lose traction and spin out. All other attempts the FW never scraped nose and it was the motor that started crunching or stalling. It mostly comes down to the motor current capacity, the superflux has a ton more copper packed into it and can run more amps, more power.
FYI. More traction = more resistance.
What battery is inside that Superflux board?
18s2p 75V ME4T pack (50s cells) by Mario www.theboardgarage.com
@@MaxxSend How is it possible to pull around 140A from that battery when the 50s cells max out at 35A x 2= 70A? Is this safe for the battery?
@@smelker motor amps is at 150A, battery amps is at 45A I believe.
@@MaxxSend Yes off course.. thats right! But still doesent get it, how it can be more powerful than the floatwheel that has around 6700watts on the dyno. The superflux should have around 4800w of power if its 75v and 70A battery (3,8v sag x 18s x 70A)
The floatwheel has 20s2p, with p42a thats 2x45a. So, 3,8v sag x 20s x 90A = 6840w. Do I miss something?
I want 113 volt 😮💨🤩
more volts won't mean much if amps are still limited :)
@@MaxxSend you can only hope :)
@@dezh2544 a homie is getting his gts later today, hope to try this hill test with it soon and find out yee
Now do a top speed test😅
Superflux have No Limits 😅
You couldn't pay me to do that 😂
@@dominikleitner5354the limit is your bravery lol
@@MaxxSendthats true. Stay safe
What does the Fungineer board weigh?
about 35lbs vs 45lbs for fw
Bro compared a lifted superflux to a normal floatwheel. Either crank your atr or lift the floatwheel next time for a better comparison. 😢
I like riding trails lifted for more clearance, so just kept the superflux board like that since the floatwheel's tire is bigger than the trail pro on superflux so clearance was nearly identical at around 5 inches. The floatwheel only scraped the nose once, so clearance wasn't an issue, it was always the fw motor crunching or stalling out. Both on the same tune. Biggest factor is that the superflux can take more current than cannoncore.
How come Floatwheel is so underpowered.
Fw recommended to go only as high as 130/-130/200, I set it too 120/-120/220. It's not that fw is so underpowered, it's got an insane amount of torque and power. It's that superflux is capable of handling more current, likely due to it having more copper.
Hill ain't nothin to an EUC😜
True, but style ain't for an euc 🤪