SuperFlux hill test 2 - still more powerful? Set at Floatwheel's CannonCore motor current!
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- #floatwheel #vesc #onewheel
Let's re-do the previous hill climb test with the SuperFlux! This time let's have it set at the same motor current as what the Floatwheel was set at: 120/-120/220A. The CannonCore can apparently take way more power, especially with the Floatwheel's ESC mosfets being rated for up to 380A. However Tony wanted to be on the safer side and suggested me not to surpass 130A.. Do you think the Superflux will still win? Either way both are insane torque and power monsters!!
Comparing the two motors at the same motor current was a game changer to better distinguish their performances on an extreme level and also normal usage level. The results surprised me, don't miss the conclusions at the end!
Just a reminder the average slope of this hill is 26°/50% grade, steepest part is 32°/62.5%
Floatwheel vs DIY vesc, the future of motion is truly exciting🔮
Where to get your next board?
Pre-assembled board:
www.floatwheel.com - for fully assembled boards
DIY board:
www.makerspev.com/?aff=3 - 'Lil Focer' VESC controller
www.fungineers.us - for SuperFlux motor, Thunder Rails, BMS and more
www.floatboxx.com - Aluminum controller box
www.theboardgarage.com - Custom performance battery packs and BMSs
Chapters:
00:00 intro
02:04 attempt 1
02:39 attempt 2
03:29 attempt 3
03:54 attempt 4
04:31 attempt 5
05:10 attempt 6 with max current: 150/-150/250
05:48 CONCLUSIONS
06:38 Tony addressing his suggestions and future developments
08:00 Floatboxx
09:47 Tony elaborating Gen 2 electronics kit!
10:24 #RTR - Zábava
Good work Max!
Thanks to everyone who loved the mk1, can't wait to ship you guys the Mk2s next month!
thanks brotha! you absolutely killed it with this design. the board feels wayy heavier when carrying it, but super light and powerful when riding :)
The stator of those motors is the same size (115x90mm) which means the only difference those motors have is how they are wound, which material they use and how good the tolerances are in the motor. Which basically means if those values are similar the torque of the motor is linear to the amperage and not dependent on the motor. For such short test the better cooling of the Cannon core is mostly irrelevant. Still great video comparing those.
yes, I concur😅 the superflux and esc was also very cool. Surprisingly for intense hill climb tests it doesn't cause overheating, especially since there is some break in-between. Consistent flat riding brings up the temps way more. Either way, both motors are absolutely insane and it's hard to pick a clear winner yet, which is a win for everyone!
That was what I was thinking. You could test the windingsof each with a multi tester on ohms ( power not connected ) more windings will have a greater resistances would less pure copper though.
Love the video Maxx! Thanks for sharing your findings.
thanks dude! for science🥸
SuperFlux secret ingredient is Unicorn Poo
your farm must smell heavenly! surely it's also edible? 🤔🤣
great follow up vid. loved seein Tony w/the extra info
Thank you 🤙🏻
Thank you Maxx for the nice video 👍, that's nice to see a rematch with same setting, but for a fair comparison both boards must to have the same battery voltage, and not like VESC boar with SuperFlux 75v and Floatwheel with CannonCore 84v. I will not be surprised that at 84v SuperFlux motor will have more torque than CannonCore motor 😉
Totally hear ya on the same voltage! I actually consulted with Dado if I should use my 84v cbcso or 75v me4t pack, and he said for hill climb tests it doesn't matter too much. Overall he recommended using the 75v. He gave a more complete explanation here on my ig post comments: instagram.com/reel/CyT413Oy0Jq/?igshid=NjIwNzIyMDk2Mg==
You can see that even though the voltages are different, this hill has the amps peak at around 130-136A, so with both set at 120A (floatwheel's maximum recommended current), it comes down to more of how the copper is wound in each motor to output that same 120A current. Regardless, both are incredible motors and the difference between them is miniscule to me, everyone wins! You cant go wrong with either :)
As soon as the gen 2 ADV is out, I am buying it! Thanks for a great comparison!
👍👍 💯 honest informative video comparison, the more competition the better for advancing the sports technology and lowering costs, FM onewheel has obviously gone 🤪 pricing gt-s series over $3200 when it’s what gt should have been when released, But it should be priced around $2000 have the gt range with a 6” standard rim and user replaceable battery/ components
If you tune them to the same amps the float wheel gets more power (120A x 84V =10,080W) vs (120A x 75V = 9,000W). However, if you take the 136A at full power of the super flux you get 136A x 75V = 10,200W which is essentially the same power as the floatwheel.
All that to say is running them both flat out in your first video seems to be the best comparison of climb vs power.
these are motor amps, not battery amps afaik. They should be able to take as 3x as that for a few seconds.
Dare I ask, what if you were to go slightly wild and see if the Floatwheel could make it up if it was set to 136A?? P.S I'm loving what you're doing for the community by making these videos
Much appreciated! All for the sake of onewheel'd science🤓 I think it likely would've made it at 130! But Tony recommended the highest to be 120 for the sake of the controller, so it'd be a tad sketch.. Don't think it's worth it cuz it still demonstrates the board is absolutely a monster and edges out the superflux at the same current.
Thanks for sharing 🙏 I’m on the fence on either building VESC or buying a Floatwheel. The GT was my first Onewheel and I’m not too familiar with the XR chassis so I wouldn’t mind the little extra weight.
Man that's a tough one! Both are amazing options, it comes down to if you have any parts sourced already. If you don't have any existing xr parts, I'd recommend getting floatwheel, everything is there for you ready to assemble. And the whole thing feels solid af, and you will have a company backing you up on your journey. Enjoy vesc! 🤙🏻
Get the float wheel and save yourself the initial hassle of figuring out how to set up the vesc. OR look for used xr for cheap ( or pint ) and get it and put a vesc in it.. both are good options
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I am really interested how many turns does the superflux has vs the cannon cores stator has! If they really want to design a more torque motor they should put in heat pipe into the stator to extract the heat faster, therefore increasing the maximum current threshold! Shouldn’t be too hard right, come on guys let’s do it!
Lil FOCer is a beast.
Very true, but the floathweel mosfets are rated for 380A, even higher than lil focer 😀
After that test, can an FM board even make it down the hill?
I tried twice years ago with an xr, didn't go so well 🤣 u pick up speed quick, and a lot of tail drag. Not gonna try again lol. Take a peep at the previous hill climb test, time stamp 5:00 for the attempts
Can the new fw controller be used for vesc builds? Great vid my guy
obvi but you might need some extra effort in establishing the implementation
as long as you figure out how to do the connectors to different controllers and batteries, it's basically a diy vesc build! I'm sure Tony will be providing more details soon.
@MaxxSend nice to see more choices of esc in the market.. little focer and trampa vescs are expensive and difficult to source & the ubox tend to have heating issues..
@@lipasfriends where u based out of? If in EU there's @customwheel.shop and they have diy lil focer kits that are less expensive than preassembled ones. If you don't have any existing xr parts then the Floatwheel is the best choice!
@MaxxSend I'm in Sydney, Australia haha. My best bet for a little focer, I believe would be makerspev but they're still restocking the DIY bundle. Considering a ubox 100v for my pint build now tbh but will have to figure out a way to mitigate overheating issues. That being said your video with the Taiwanese guy was really enlightening, nothing(almost) is impossible on vescs!
Hey man, have you done a Floatwheel vs your VESC XR? If not, can you!?!?
Yep this is a vesc xr and it went up against floathweel in the previous hill test here: czcams.com/video/Puodxc57Xvg/video.htmlsi=IoYRnOaenEXm-Y6i
However keep in mind this superflux xr was set to its max of 150A so it outperformed fw. That's why this vid was lowered to 120A to better compare with fw :)
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For science! We do need more sciency videos. If you can at some point get a cannoncore motor and swap that to your current board and see how far you can travel compared to superflux. Probably more reliable test if you do the run from like 15% battery or something so riding a circle in nascar style does not bore you to death.
it's pretty fascinating to see how these top dogs compare, exciting times! I actually compared the cannoncore vs floatwheel at their max settings directly on the previous video, link here: czcams.com/video/Puodxc57Xvg/video.html. But this time I set the superflux to the same motor current as floatwheel last time and cannoncore did better overall. I'm not sure I'll do this test again unless I have the same battery for each motor, which I don't really wanna spend another $700 😅 For me the data shows both are super close and incredibly powerful, everyone wins. And doing this hill test with 15% battery seems a bit sketch, it may cause severe voltage sag and bms could cut off battery to protect the cells..
@@MaxxSend Definitely do not try hill test with 15% battery. :D BTW SuperFlux Mk II preorders are up now! Tho there will be no differences in performance, maybe a very very slight difference because of better bearings and slighly finned mounting blocks so it could run cooler in theory at least. Also BTW CannonCore is slighty lighter in weight copared to SuperFlux, roughly (with mounting blocks) CannonCore 16 lbs and SuperFlux 17 lbs.
need to find an asphalt slope or smoother hill
Nah these ain't fm boards lol gonna give em hell, battle of the titans!
No, it is about the controller - Why there is still no 12 FET VESC for onewheel ? What you guys waiting for? The usual size EUC have 24 FETs and will eat that hill on breakfast.
SCIENCE!!!
There should be a nobel prize for this category🤣🤓
Maxx let’s go gts vs vesc
Hahah would love to see an fm board back in the hill climb mix! But 1) it first needs to climb the basic hill the gt couldn't make vs stock xr battery vesc, 2) someone needs to lend me their gts cuz I ain't gettin one 😆
Is 120/-120 reasonably safe? Every FW setup guide out there lists 100/-100.
Definitely above the range for everyday use, but still safe according to Tony. He initially said up to 130, but I decided to stay at 120 to be cautious. When the fw gen 2 e-kit comes out, it should go even higher.
Great video again! Which vesc controller are you using? My Little Focer can go up till 250A. Maybe try again on 250 and fly up that hill?! 🥳
To proper test this you need the exact same line on every attempt. Im 100% sure i could get my xr up that but it would be due to inertia, and cutting the slope and banking as much energy as possiblle.. to test the motors you realky jyst need to measure the total output of the motor against a load., respectfully intended
agreed on the same line, this isn't exactly the most friendly smooth hill. However these ain't weak fm boards so these titans should be placed through hell and be expected to make it up on similar lines. In fact, both of them nearly do at 120A, which is super impressive. There's no loser here! And btw I would love to see you try this on a stock fm XR. In fact, would even place a gentlemen's bet of a certain amount you couldn't make it halfway up lol. This is in San Jose, ca, hmu if you're ever nearby!
@@MaxxSend I'd take the bet knowing I may lose.. im in alberta Canada so not near by :)
@@MrDmadness u got nothin to lose 😆 just fyi I tried this with a stock xr battery with vesc and hypercore (more torque than stock gt), and couldn't make it past 30% up
@@MaxxSend I believe you and know that go pro always makes stuff look more tame. I've been to,d by many I'm very skilled at hill climbs and I'd absolutely try it. Respectfully :)
Please stop comparing motors without using remote tilt. You are running out of nose clearance and that is going to be more dependant on the physical constraints of the board.
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@@auden_builds I think this warrants a duckstare emote
don't need remote tilt for slow hill climb when you have ATR. The superflux never had nose clearance issues. In fact it's even lifted. It made it all the way up just fine on the last hill climb video and also here at 5:10 when it was set back to the full current limit of 150A. The main factor here is how much current can go through to the motor to let it continue to climb. 120A wasn't enough.
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Part 3 when? 😝