Flex Fuel : Is it an ignorant idea? The good and the bad of Flex Fuel | Nitin Gadkari.
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- Indian policymakers are aggressive with their alternative fuel policies, Indian cars are already running on E10 Fuel, and by Next year all vehicles will be running on E20 fuel. Still, before filling up your tanks you should know what the hell this is E20. here in this video, we will take a deep dive to understand what is this flex fuel, how it work and what are the pro and cons of this
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Totally agree. There is a major disadvantage of sugarcane is it consumes lot of water about 10x as compared to other crops. If we promote sugarcane then it will lead to create another problem esp ground water. If we promote ethanol but other than sugarcane then it will successful.
Not only sugarcane, any crop which has natural sugar properties like sugarcane ex beetroot, corn etc have high water consumption. may be not high as SC but still more than any other crops
@@tareshk81 true but amongs all of these Sugarcane requires lot of water also it takes much longer time to produce as compared to other crops.
@@hdkloh6857 yeah. I just wish govt have a good idea of whatever they are implementing and not just short sighted quick action thing
@@tareshk81 Govt should encourage farmers to grow other crops not only sugarcane.
@@hdkloh6857 want another farmers protest ?
by bike mileage was on petrol 65 km/l now on e10 its 45 km/l which is big loss to me and same to others
Don't be sad ur money is making our country independent
Correct 💯
@@noobsarmy5744 LoL 😂
But the govt is gaining money... which will be used in election campaigns....
@@thakarevlogs8070 yes cry more
WE SHOULD FOCUS ON MAKING ETHNOL FROM PARALI HUSK . WE SHOULD NOT USE GRAINS AND SURGAR FOR ETHANOL. WE SHOULD USE ONLY EXTRA GRAINS
Yes I agree wasting of crop just for fuel is not good for environment
@@yashpuri8345 not good*
पराली से इथेनॉल बनाना ट्रान्सपोर्टेशन के कारण सस्ता नहीं पडता.
@@nightcore-_ auto correct 🥲
@@amitbhau it is economically viable. We just need to compress husk before transportation to reduce volume. We can be done easily at every village at very low cost pf 1_2 lakh per 2-3 village
Quite eye opening. I think hydrogen fuel (for trains, trucks and buses), hybrid and electric vehicles (for passengers) should become part of transition. Govt should promote hybrid vehicles more than flex fuel vehicles and since we have already found lithium reserves in our country, I think transition towards hybrid and electric wouldn't be difficult. The idea of flex fuel seems bad for our environment, especially northern states who are already running out of ground water, neither are these vehicles efficient. We might succeed in becoming self-sufficient but not at the cost of environment and something which will become a huge problem for our future generations. Middle east might have huge oil reserves but they don't have fertile lands and enough fresh water sources.
We should think smart and proceed.
Electic vehicles pollute more in their life cycle than icu engines!
Finding and actually mining those reserves is another ball game. Not to mention the environmentally sensitive areas of ladakh will suffer a lot if lithium was to be mined there. Hydrogen fuel cells are still not viable on a large scale and hydrogen combustion based engines are not a good idea : ) . Not to mention the pollution generated in the production of such vehicles and the electricity itself can only be balanced with the emissions generated by regular ICE cars if they run for at least 5-6 yrs, which is becoming increasingly rare considering our ever growing use and throw mindset. The only viable solution is to turn to efficient ICE engines,encourage public transportation and get out of the current consumer mindset.
@@tanmayvadhera4250 lithium has been found near Jammu in reasi district, not Ladakh. But your point is correct that mining can destroy environment. Should follow good mining procedures.
We are already destroying environment though, all we can hope is to do good rules based mining.
@@prateekdhingra292 This is India there is no procedure. although future is looking bright
@@tanmayvadhera4250 nice solution, 1st thing you should do is sell your phone
water consumed per litre of ethanol is not 2850 L at minimum
but
is 2000 Litre on AVERAGE.
average sugarcane production in India is
97-98 ton / hectare.
in north India, sugar content in the cane is nearly 4 - 4.5 % & south India ( mainly Tamilnadu ) it is 5 - 6 %.
leaving 4 months if sowing & harvesting , irrigating it 8 times , 10 cm of water each time, LEADS TO 100×100×0.8 m³ of water per hactare.
if you add water required for industrial production etc then should also compare the requirements of oil shipping, refining & allied processes.
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Don't insult Modi ji
@@runningfellow you mispelled rahul gandhi
Kya matlab, mujhe lagta hai kuch na kuch karke sab opposition wale cong ko jeeta denge next time. BJP ko preparation karna hoga mahayudh ka
@@runningfellow without great leader this could never happen
@@Eren-da-Jaeger god bless Pappu, until he is there leader BJP don't require any hardwork to do, u could literally see him hangout with Separatists,communists, pakistani agents, currupt people,Indian youth is not that fool we see All,we remember all who says what,Never forget never forgive Bharat Mata ki Jai🇮🇳
One thing you forgot to mention is that many politicians from Maharashtra including gadkari and many UP politicians have personal interest in this because they own sugarcane mills. It's lobbying by these politicians that is making gadkari push ethanol. It will make cars unaffordable for us.
lol. finding conspiracy theories behind everything.
your problem is "unaffordable for us" thinking. If you cant afford a car, you dont need it in the first place.
BKL opposition parties never criticize govt on points like these instead they will oppose 370, CAA and Reforms like Farm laws and Land Reforms
How to find such links?
@@yashnigam2704 just google it
This is a nice case study bro. Just a thought that any study or report by govt or agency u mention in videos, it will be great if you can add a link to that report too. Help us to study further on it. Thanks for producing great content.
I have seen a few videos of this channel but I must admit, it's well researched and great editing. The best auto informative Hindi channel IMO.
Ethenol blending is a failed technology dont know why Mr Gadkari is so eager for this, it will be disastrous. Process for making for 1 litre ethenol takes around 2800 litre of water, too much water wastage and also food prices bound to go up as well. We have the example of Brazil. For us common people nothing will change as prices likely to remain same Govt will take all benefits.
Sir aap jaldi jaldi video dala Karo aapki video ka intezar rahta hai❤️❤️
One of your best videos so far!! Well done
A couple of points to note:
1) More ethanol is needed right now because the engine is the same. The calorific value of diesel is also low compared to petrol, but the engine's design makes the difference. More compression or something like that could solve this problem. Then only we can comment on the mileage.
2) Prices might be comparable today but for the future, we can't be sure. But what is certain is the limited fossil fuel, it is a non-renewable resource and it will only deplete. Hence, making fuel from your crops will always be a better option because, in this way, every country can be self-sufficient to some extent like they are with cereals or grains.
3) Lastly the problem of excessive use of groundwater for irrigation. That is a real problem, not just for the production of sugarcanes but for other crops as well. And to solve this problem, we need to revolutionise wastewater treatment methods. Treated wastewater coming out from STPs should be so good that it can be directly used for irrigation, hence lowering groundwater consumption. We will always need water for crops but we can choose what type of water we use.
Flex fuel is a good option over fossil fuel based fuel or EVs but it's negative impacts are much greater than positive.
I think going hybrid is the perfect solution in current scenario and reasearch must be done on flex fuel to reduce its negative effects.
negative impacts calculations are EXTREMELY wrong in those western researches.
i have given some back approx calculations in the main comments.
@@pravindahiya719but they creat polution
Flex Fuel is going to be successful same as demonetization was 😊🙂
Fossil fuels are the best option, flex fuels need fossil fuels, flex fuel needs more energy to produce them, a litre of flex fuel requires 70% more energy to produce it than the energy contained in it. This is a stupid idea. Co2 is cooling the earth
Seaweed bio fuel
Very informative. Hope people watch this and understand how changing to ethanol based fuel won’t actually change the problems we have now.
It will to a degree prevent money going out of the country and go to local farmers.
Sir what about the existing engines like BS3 and BS4, will E20 have a negative effect on them?
Heard of heating issues
Yes im also thinking about that..
Yes Mileage drop and engine life might reduce
Maybe e20 fuel as well as e10 fuel will be available at pump
Upto 10% (E10) is OK, cannot use more than that in normal engine.
Flexifuels can be a part of transition but not a solution.
I think the long term solution is:-
(1) Batter EVs for Road transportation
(2) Hydrogen FCEVs for Ship, Aircraft & Railway transportation.
Much needed info on the current hype of flex fuel.
It's not hyped
Not even many car enthusiasts know about this, forget normal janta
There are lots of disadvantages on flex fuel apart from making more money for government.
Thank you for the English subs, been trying to find English videos to understand about what's going on
Though Gadkari Ji has built lot of highways, but his knee jerk decisions to change automotive norms has been negative for auto industry and consumers. He should let researchers do their job and set realistic timelines for changing the norms
India will win everything ❤️
My beautiful country🇮🇳
🙏❤️
Win what ??
@@sreejithj82 Stupidity Race
Awesome video very well researched ❤️
But ethanol has a much higher octane rating as a result being used in race cars so we should expect a bump in hps production.
My main concern is eventually government will sell ethanol at the same price as petrol.
@@GhostsOfSparta Actually, the excise duty and the state VAT is taking the price high.
@@iconsoul1753yeah the central govt hasnt increased taxes at all, stop being a stooge
Much required topic 🙌🏻
Sir, what is the reason that Indian brands are not so much performed or bought in developed countries as they are sold in middle-east countries, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh
Well explained bro.
I had quite a lot of doubts regarding this topic
Instead of flex fuel
We can concentrate on Hybrid and EVs
Because Hybrids offer much better mileage from a normal car
And EVs can also reduce fossil fuel usage if we make electricity from Hydro power
But bro hydro power has also negative impact...like the river dependent villages will suffer a lot...as our village is also part of that ..and we are also going to suffer ...because in subansiri river a huge dam is being made...it will stop the water flow....and our crops which depend on that river will be totally destroyed....so even hydropower is also not a good source for producing energy.....iam basically talking about large dams....
@@techhack38 humko technology banani chahiye jis se hum log sea ka water use kar sake jis se river or drinking water mai negative impact na pade humko coastal area mai badi badi factory banake samudra ka paani ka use karna chahiye kese bhi usko filter karke 😂😂
@@techhack38 Ha to for small size dams banane chahiye
Jisse ki environment ko kuch khaas fark na pade
Or EVs ko jyada practical banaya ja ske
Just a correction, top fuel dragsters work on nitro-methane. And drag cars and race cars run on methanol. Alcohol has a cooling effect on the engine and most of engines can be adjusted to work with alcohol based fuel but it also has a few issues like chances of vapour lock and water absorption
Top fuel dragsters uses Nitromethane , which requires high amounts of pressure and heat to ignite. Its kind of a explosive. Not available to normal public. where as in Indy car they use E85 and Nascar uses Green E15.
9 days bas board exam hai aur mai ye dekh rha hu kyu ki ye jarroti hai !! 😂
After ethanol blending in Petrol suddenly mileage has dropped, is that because our engines are not Ethanol ready or is it some other reasons.
Oh finally some one talking about this things 😣😖😐
बहुत ही बढ़िया तरीके से क्रमवार सभी बिंदुओं को शामिल करते हुए समझाया है आपने।
Good analysis however I think it would be a stop gap arrangement till we move on to EVs and Hydrogen fuel cell so i don't think we have to be that much sceptical about it from now
Even if we switch to 100 percent ethanol, prices of fuel per litre will not come down coz all governments have got greedy and they just want to increase revenue rather than reducing dependency on other oil producing nations or to reduce emissions.
Finally faida to government and car makers and nuksaan to customers. This is how any country works. Not only the running costs will be higher due to less energy density but maintenance and engine life can also be a concern. Dont understand why government can’t subsidise strong hybrids before ev takes over for passenger segment. Hydrogen can be a good solution for commercial and public transport system
Hydrogen is still not viable yet
@@sheilakijawani2526 It is. Gadkari himself drives in HFC car.
Govt is averse to hybrids , maybe because they are practical and will get popular too soon ultimately hurting petroleum taxes .Cant think of any other reason.
I am so confused and little depressed seeing that selecting and buying cars isn't fun anymore !
Rich people problem 🤣
True. Everything seems boring and forced.
True.. 🤨🤨
@Biturbo media - Bhai now is the time to research about lithium reserve we found in J&K. Drop your video sooner or later about impact on EV manufacturing, cost, performance, business. ... Will be waiting for it.
The extra sugarcane we export right now can be shifted to ethanol production. So how is ground water depletion going to increase?
If currently also we are producing sugarcane and exporting it, then redirecting it to ethanol won't increase water consumption right? Need exact figures to check.
I love ethanol the only hope for ice engine against Evs can can save ice engines without compromising on exhaust sound , power, manual transmission , driving feel and most importantly cost
Absolutely. ICE is ❤️ even it runs on ethanol.
@@bingchilling3377 even hybrids are acceptable not evs , EVs should only be accepted if they help in my country’s economic development
@@user-zc3gu9kn1s yea but sadly our Indian government doesn't understand these basic things
Even when requested for,they are not willing to reduce taxes on hybrid vehicles and keep taxes on EVs at 5%,so they clearly are promoting EVs more
Also you are somewhat wrong, Ethanol does compromise on power, driving feel and even mileage
It also reduces the life expectancy of an engine
@@divitkarekar5803 if EVs can help the economy even if they are not good for environment and not practical for the future so be it
Any thing for the country man
@@user-zc3gu9kn1s when most people in India buy a car under 8 lakh,do you think it'll help the economy?
even under 20 lakh you have hardly 2 to 3 options and they are 6-7 lakhs more than their ICE counterpart
All this is when government charges just 5% taxes on EV
Just imagine if government had some sense and would charge 5% tax on hybrids,how much it would benefit people
Just a little correction top fuel doesn't use ethanol is uses nitrometh ane as fuel they are very much different.
A noble thought & an honest recommendations you've shared admin.
Good one bro, you always do hard things. I subscribed and liked it as well.
Your thoughts on lithium found in j&k, how much it will boost our market especially in cars ?
I am happy that I could watch this video right when it was released. It has beneficial info for UPSC preparation. Thanks bro.
Upsc...matlab time waste
Civil servants are part of the problem
E85 fuel is also used by hyper car manufacturer Koenigsegg
Btw food inflation is somewhat needed for the survival of farmers, otherwise we may end up always paying subsidised things to farmers which is clearly not working since the last 20 plus years.
Most vehicles in India run on diesel engines, there won't be much impact on use of flex fuel ⛽
Electric is the best alternative, ev charging setup is lot easier then this, but government will not get much money from tax that is why they are promoting this option now over the EV
Evs are the worst, hydrogen and ethanol too
Ev are utter pice of garbage
I think bikes, mopeds and small vehicles should switch to ethanol and too large vehicles like long range trucks, road trains, airplanes, rail engines, should switch to hydrogen fuel cell. Whereas cars, city buses should go all electric
But what about existing vehicles. Would they be able to work on E20 fuel without damage to engine components?
No. Engine will be damaged very badly. Govt doesn't care because you will buy another car and they will get 28% tax or 50% tax based on cc of the engine.
@@digitalsidequest exactly
A major problem we bikers are facing. If a few drops of water reach in our fuel tank due to rain, ethanol completely separates from fuel, and deposits at the bottom of tank and carburetor. We have to pay 2 to 400 every year for tank washing.
Conclusion: Better Electric than Flex Fuel.
But we are burning Coal to produce electricity 😂.
Gadi nahi to Thermal Power plant pollution karega.
Matlab we have 2 better option
1. Settings up Nuclear Power Plant (but still water pollution is in evitable)
2. Increase power Generation from Renewable energy like Hydro-power or Solar Power (Best possible solution, but still it has it's own consequences)
Electric is not the future
Wonderfully represented facts! 👌👍
Green hydrogen is the best fuel but difficult to produce
I would like to correct you on your last point. CO2 is used up from the atmosphere by plants & emitted by vehicles when you use flex fuel. So the net effect in CO2 emission is zero.
India ko oil powered personal cars par 50% tax lagana chahiye seedha. Aur is paise se public transport develop karna chahiye. Public transport sustainable hoga jyada when compared to personal cars.
Very well explained end to end , all electric vehicles are the future ! people should just skip buying flex fuel supported vehicles does not make sense at this point of time
Aye jhant ke ball electric vehicles is not the future
One important point you skipped here sir.
Bcoz petroleum fuel has a high quantity of sulphur and lead which is highly polluting and dangerous .
But in flex or say ethanol fuel, , it's almost absent there.
So considering environmental effects, , , flex fuel is way better then petroleum.
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Secondly, , we should also consider here that most of the crop residue is burnt in India ( I think whole world) .
The govt is pushing towards solving this issue.
This will benefit us in two ways, ,
1. No need to burn crom residue means no smoke in the air, , And bcoz burning of crop residue cause death to helpful microorganisms in farm soil. It can be prevented well if crop residue is used in making flex fuel.
2. Farmers will get atleast some money in their hands for which they were burning till now and getting nothing in return.
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One more point ( bcoz I'm a science student and keenly interested in researching such topics ).
After many analytics, , it was found that engine wear and tear wasn't that much low after some certain time what it was thought of / expected initially. Means comparatively better in this aspect here.
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Yeah. Got it.
One more and important point.
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Average efficiency of a IC engine is appx 40% . It means almost 60% fuel is exhausted out without complete burning which causes a harmful effect on environment.
But this doesn't happen in case of flex fuel.
Bcoz ethanol ( as found after many researches, experiments, testing) doens't harm the environment that much what is done by petroleum fuel. ( Though is does, , but the ratio shows some relief giving signs)
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Hope, you won't mind my teachings to you today 🤭🤭.
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Thanks
Bina soche samjhe aggressive steps lene se sudharega kuch nhi. Gatkari in my opinion is less experienced to understand long term consequences, and the only problem is they impose rather taking steps in favor of public.
1. Hydrogen reactor in a small car.?
2. Ethanol will surely compromise car enthusiasts as power and mieage both will be compromised.
3. Likewise HSRP didn't proved anything positive.
4. BS6 Phase 2 will raise cost of production, is it important in times of inflation.?
Voting this government was a very big mistake.
Meanwhile me who has a cycle 💀
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gadkari has said that a russian scientist has researched a way by which ethanol will be equal to petrol. hence mileage of ethanol will be equal to mileage of petrol, and that experiment also became successful. secondly your point about sugarcane needing large amouint of water is true, but government has successfully produced ethanol from pareli and other sourcesa, which u said will be only proven in future, but gadkari has already said that it is been tested and a proven method now. lastly your point of vehicles being abit more expensive in future is completely right, but to curb our dependency on gulf nations, saving our foreign reserves, relatively less pollution, we can do that much right?
Very balanced research!
FLEX-FUEL Lane SE Achha ho Sakta hai. Aur Bura bhi. Par, Bio-diesel SE Achha hi ho Sakta hai. Bura nahin. Cooking oil SE banta hai, Bio-diesel. Us PE bhi Ek Video Banayiye. TATA Sumo ka engine aisa hi tha. Bio-diesel wala.
Hafte mein 2 videos lao, purane videos baar baar dekhta hu, har baar maja aata hai.
I wish I were born in the 70s and 80s US or Japan. Car scene was and is still better than what we have here.
I really think that India should focus more on corn harvesting as the major source of ethanol by giving subsidies to agritech industries to develop methods of scale. Plus with the newest discovery of lithium reserves, govt should strive to regulate ev prices so that companies dont start making more than necessary profit so that evs can become cheap, as they easily can. Setting battery manufacturing facilities in india by the private sector should also be a major focus.
Any fuel come prize has been paid high for comnan man.... But video has been 5 star informative
Also, more is ethanol, greater will be engine corrosion - lesser will be the life. And what will happen to already 15 years registered E10 engines running on road? Will government provide free upgrade to E20 engines? Who will bear the cost?
Very well explained... Awsm video...
E20 se abhi gaadiyo ka nuksan hoga, mileage and power kam hoga magar petrol price toh kam nahi hogi Matlab same distance travel karne ke liye jyada kharcha hoga.
Dam like chilka, mython, paanchet, gajol doba( Floating solar), Govt. building like railway platform, railway track, bus terminus, school, college, highway > solar panel > electric energy > utilise in heavy vehicles with pantograph with twin engine option like disel and electric > decrease polution, as well as transportation cost.
Agar parali se ethanol produce ho sakta hey to Delhi ki pollution bhi kum hogi kyunki Punjab se hum parali le kar ushsey ethanol bana sakte hain .
Removing water from the tank will be pain in the back.
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Are kehna kya chahte ho
Ethanol blend ki wajah se petrol degrade hoke pani hota hey. Because moisture ke stha reaction se. To petrol aur paani density difference ki wajah se starting problems hota hey.
Mast Video bhai.
Lekin pichle ek saal se Gadkari ji bol rahe hai ki ek Russian scientist ne ethanol aur petrol ki caloric value same karwa ke dikha di jisko Indian oil ke chairman Vaidya sahab ne bhi mana. Woh aapko cover karna chahiye tha.
And since Brazil mein already mass production ho rha hai flex fuel engines/cars ka, toh kya waha se technology transfer nhi ho sakta?
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Dont feel offended but Gadkari is always saying 6 month me ye hoga wo hoga and his deadlines are hardly if ever met.
Transition means cost, which we need to bear in any kind of transition so the best solution is to invest on long term sustainable transition. Ecosystem will adapt the cheapest fastest and most sustainable change and government should plays as catalyst.
Bro maine subscribe bhi kiya aur har ek video bhi dekhta hu. Very educative & knowledgeable videos.
One Heart plz.
By producing ethanol,.you also produce sugar and bagasse. In sugar cane production nothing is wasted.
Very well and detailed information 👍
Saying this since day one, E20 means pay 100% but get 80%. Govt is making fool out of people and they don't even know it. Thank God I decided not to buy car and rely on public transport. Thank you delhi metro for saving me lakhs
Very Brief explanation and very easy to understand. Well explained.❤
Simplest way of analysis is sample method. We can consider Brazil and other countries who are using ethanol from years and add corrective measures to it.
Abhi khareedta hoon Globus spirit ke share.... Thankyou. Waiting for Monday
डेढ़ साल के ऊपर समय निकल गया लेकिन flexfuel की एक भी गाड़ी रास्ते पे नही आई है।
Should have focused on hybrid cars first. They increase the fuel efficiency, thus reducing carbon emissions. And the technology was already available, with japanese companies.
The problem is what about old cars which lose performance and mileage on flex fuel and this fuel compromises vehicle's overall health in the long run
E10 and E20 are quite feasible in current and future prospects till 2050. 1. R&D on engines can be minimal as it is already a proven tech in few countries. 2. Ethanol price of 65 will come down once the production ramps up. 3. We need more agriculture reforms to produce more crop efficiently. Conclusion: We need to move towards green energy as much as possible in the next 10/20 years. Solar and green H2 can lead us in this direction.
Nothing going to work
Aluminium Air+lithium hybrid is future we are World Giants in aluminium and in top 5 Lithium since we found Jackpot of it in Jammu
Ethanol producers less combustion energy per gallon than paterol urf octane so power losses in vehicle would be common to minimise power loss little amount say 15 to 20 percentage of gasoline is required buy knocking problem will be removed by ethanol
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Sir I like your course. I just want to know 2nd part kab tak ayega apke course ka.
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Driving EV for 500 Km beyond in highway that's why flex fuel & hydrogen is important. We can use the deep ocean pressure to efficiently produce hydrogen.
Ethanol can be produced from a bamboo/ wood like cellulose containing materials or alge.
Yes there are already 4 types .
Aise hi kuch saal pehle Jatropha biodiesel ka hype machaya tha, woh bhi phusss ho gya 🤣
What about loss occurred to people with car designed for normal petrol?
Govt wants you to buy new vehicle 🤣
@@nighthawk4028 govt just want you to give taxes and die
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