IT TOOK $500 TO FIX BMW'S WORST MISTAKE ON THE E36 M3
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- Today we do another mod to the BMW e36 m3! This is one I was REALLY looking forward to. The slow steering BMW gave to the e36 was focused more towards high speed cruising comfort than the race track. Still the e36 is a great track car as it is, but how much of a difference will it make with 40% faster steering? Today, we find out!
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This channel is why I want an to get rid of my Mustang to get an E46 M3🙏🏼
Duuuude! 👍
I literally thought about doing this. I heard since it increases the angle wouldnt it allow you to travel the steering length faster in general.. im soo happy you clarified this. Im going to be doing this.
as an e36 owner named gavin i've been waiting for another treats on the streets video!!!
i may have to get myself an SLR kit myself
edit: bought an MRT bump steer correction kit. It'll be a little while before I get it installed, but I'm excited to see the results!
3 weeks into owning a E36 M3 and loving it. Your videos are so helpful and one of the reason I bought a M3. So far planning to do maintenance work to get it bulletproof and then do these kind of mods!
Great video. I went from not having a clue what this was, to fully understanding the install procedure, along with the benefits and potential negatives
Your camera resolution is amazing, and there is nothing wrong the E36 steering other than giving you wrist pain at the end of the day...
I notice that on initial turn-in’s especially when cornering at speed, not much happens, but then it gets going once you turn in more. Also just the stock camber setup & weight distribution of E36s cause them feel understeery in sharper corners.
@@waffles4ev3r yes the E36 M3 used a progressive rack that was slower on center for high speed stability
Glad you POINTED it OUT. Cars are getting too big. Altimas and Maximas are great examples.
Yes, I love these cold days. It feels like my 328IC has 10-20 more HP. Some days I take the long way home just to feel the cold dense air powering my motor.
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I did both a MRT Bumpsteer correction angle kit and Z3 rack on my E36 its absolutely amazing.
Must have been crazy fast with that and the rack
So wait would it I be better of replacing the steering rack all together or getting the steer kit he got
If it is a daily driver do the rack. The kit I did needs maintenance with new bearings every so often. Not very convenient for a daily when it comes to frequency of service. If it is a weekend car or track car I'd do a kit like I did or both like Blake.
About the comment about the things you do to your car, you're doing for the first time. Same here! Never owned or worked on a BMW in my life until recently. Wasn't running but I jumped under the hood with no BMW experience anyway lol. After several suggestions from the guys on e46 fanatics and watching many of CZcams videos, I got her running like new now
Awesome man!
Yeah. Honestly, when it comes to the actual mechanics of the car. They're actually pretty easy to work on. Electrical issues is a whole different story lol
That intro was a treat 😁
Zhp rack in mine with swapped top hats. Haven't looked back. It feels great.
I think my e36 M3 turns perfectly fast, however . . . I would like to bump steer correct though as I've got Bilstein B8 struts w/ H&R sports. I pressed in new ball joints too. Made a huge difference.
0:43 what is this blinky thing next to the headlight?
I don't know but it looks cool flashing .....😂
Yeah turns so many heads when you get them both to flash at the same time. Street cred +999
So pairing this & the 4 Cylinder Z3 rack is probably one of the most amazing things you can do …… I’d highly recommend you do that because you’d eliminate that super slow dead on center with the 4 Cyl Z3 rack
I don’t think you’ll like that it will be took twitchy!!!! Like to the point you might crash by over correcting some steering input if your driving isn’t at the skill level. Do the z3 rack with a bump steer kit to correct the geometry for lowered cars.
Or keep the factory rack and just install this kit which will speed things up and correct the lowered geometry
@@onesikm3 we like fast and responsive around here brother !!!!
Very interesting. I ended up doing the Z3 rack myself because my super old M3 rack started gushing fluid out the passenger side. The difference in rack speed was huge and noticeable (and very good) for me. I might keep an eye out for something similar that does less/no rack speedup, 'cause I think the Z3 rack is perfect.
Did you put in a Z3 rack from a 4 cyl or 6 cyl car ?
@@ES-REDROT 4 cyl is a faster ratio than 6 cyl the 6 cyl is the same as an e36
Did basically the same thing to my e46 touring and I love it
If you really want to fix the steering you need to do a chase bays steering res and cooler kit and convert to a solid steering coupler. That Quick steer kit is nothing more than an angle kit, just decreases your turn radius but still takes every bit as long to get there at the end of the day.
It takes less input from the steering wheel to turn the tires the same distance. You get 40% more steering angle in the first 360 degrees of steering. Already have a solid steering coupler from an e34. Definitely still need the chase bays kit before it gets too hot this summer.
I really want to do this now cause I have a power steering delete and a solid steering shaft with u-joints.
Interesting choice. I went the conventional route and installed a Z3 4 cylinder quick ratio rack in mine. A phenomenal upgrade, absolutely love it. Wasn't too hard to install. It's just to the limit where I wouldn't want it any faster for highway driving.
Definitely a solid setup 👍
what brand headlights are those my birthday is coming up in 2 weeks and I need to treat myself
Haha Good call. Check out the link in the description to my website. You will find the headlights there
That pupper is amazing
Great video again my E36 friend!
I don't remember if you ever installed a differential support Bracket in that thing? All those clutch kicks Might just break that one single bolt holding the whole differential onto the subframe. I did that on mine twice . You might want to look into that if you haven't yet.
Good call. When I did the poly bushings I noticed mine was bent so I bought a higher strength bolt. So far so good but it is probably just a matter of time.
Good shit man! I got the slr lollipops with the e46 control arms. Definitely need this
Heck yeah man! I need to see more examples of fitment with the e46 arms. Shoot me some pics on insta if you've got some good ones! Sounds like a solid setup.
Buy another e36 project and make videos on that since it’ll have a ton of issues we can see and learn to fix
I just got an e36 from an auction with 329,000 miles on it if you guys want to see me torture myself.
awesome vid man, gl with the kit!
Come to an event now!!! You're going to love the angle.
Z3 linear rack in mine.
Nice!
Glad to see a new vid. cant wait for the next
Can you put the disclaimer at the very beginning of the video? I need new pants. :)
Awesome video, I am definitely going to check this out for my car.
😂😂😂 thanks for watching man!
Been waiting for this video
Dude, you do an awesome job.
Thanks for watching man!
Hmm, im having trouble finding the kit on SLR's page. Could you link exactly what you have? I wsnt to so the same. I too want to improve steering
I was just gonna say e46 control arms give you more angle
Gavin u gotta put together a top ten, in order of mods to an e36 which u (the e36 m driver) need to complete. My '99 is somewhat stock and im all over the place wrt mods i look up on. The order of operation is scattered and i wanted to get your top 10 list.
Haha that is literally something I have been thinking of doing. 👍
I bought this kit but where did you buy the new ball joint that goes into the subframe? Can't find a replacement anywhere :(
i replaced the rack with an e46 one and its so smooth
Get some E46 lower control arms
Dhl mhmmm rtd shifters are great...
Does it reduce the wheel clearance with that bolt protruding out of the end of the lower arm?
Did you replace the center ball joints just because they were worn out? The SLR kit comes w/ a bearing to replace the ball joint on the knuckle side so that one has to come out correct?
I'm replacing w/ new arms so I'm thinking I'll just bring the arms and the SLR bearings to a shop and have them remove those joints and install the bearings for me so most of the hard work is done? I use Turner 80 durometer polyurethane bushings for the lollipops and usually just replace the whole thing (turner sells the lollipop w/ bushing pre-installed). Should make the job much easier I guess.
I replaced the inner ball joints because mine were worn out. Even if you don't do that, you will have to have the outer ball joint pressed out so the heim joint from SLR can be pressed in. It is required for the mini kit to work. If you buy the SLR arms for the angle kit instead of the mini kit then all of that is already done for you
@@TreatsOnTheStreets confirmed, so just the outer ball joint will need to be replaced. Do you know if it changed the overall track width - it doesn't say in the kit description. I'm assuming not since still using stock arms.
Track width is unchanged if using stock control arms. The longer arms with the angle kit is what gives the wider track width. If your tires already hit your inner fender the mini kit will not provide you with any additional angle, just faster steering, bump steer correction, roll center correction, and adjustable ackerman. If your tires do not already hit the inner fender then the mini kit will allow for some extra angle until you do.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets perfect. I'm about to install new arms, tie rods, and bushings and was going to install a new steering rack but this kit will work better with my coilovers (lowered). Thanks very much for the details. Ill reply again in ~3weeks when installed w my thoughts. I'm an original owner '98 M3 sedan and have lot of experience with different setups...
Received the kit today, they should have more in stock now ready to go.. they needed to shave down some of the bearings to fit the stock M3 arms so took a few weeks to prep the order. At any rate the quality is outstanding. I should be installing before the end of the month. Gavin what did you use to cut the ball joint studs off the M3 arms? I have access to a press so may just do it myself...
Such a device is illigal over here.
Have you happened to have any problems with your steering since installing this kit? You're the only person I know so far who has used it.
I'm getting odd front end rattling when turning and going over bumps at high speed as well as stiffening of the steering wheel and slightly turning more into whichever direction the corner goes. All my bushings, endlinks, and ball joints have been recently replaced.
I'm starting to think it's either my steering rack, strut mounts, or just the kit itself (although it was all fine until about 600 miles ago)
The steering into whatever direction sounds like an alignment issue. What do you have for control arm bushings?
@@TreatsOnTheStreets UHMW condor bushings. Alignment was done recently, only have 0.05 degrees in on either side (for better turn in feel) for 0.10 total.
From what I can tell this is stemming from one issue, because the rattle and bumpsteer(?) wasn't there before
The kit geometry is supposed to correct bump steer geometry. I still have a little but it is not as bad as it was before. I did have a little rattling because the jamb nut came loose on my adjustable lollipops. Also a few of the nuts on the steering kit came loose after I drove for a while. I suggest taking them off and using blue thread locker so they don't back out. Additionally, the bolt that goes through the control arm and attaches to the knuckle is tapered like a ball joint would be. Make sure that is seated properly. I had issues with that as well.
Where’s the mk4 golf been!?
Amazing E36 content as always. What front splitter is that?
Thanks for watching! Check out my website in the description. You'll find it there!
Hey that's one beautiful dog, amazing color, what kind of dog is she or he?
Thanks! Shes had an Aussiedoodle mother and a labradoodle father. Let's call her..... An Australian Labradoodle 😅. Color comes from the chocolate lab in her I think.
What preset did you order from SLR, Drift or Race? what would you estimate the difference is between the two?
I told them I do both, so to set it somewhere in-between. There are 4 ackerman settings you can do with these. If you have questions about what is right for you I recommend shooting them an email.
I’m also from Utah and looking to get an E36, an M3 if I can find one. What would you say a good price for one would be?
Depends on how clean you want it to be. I got my 97 M3/4/5 salvage title with 122k miles for 8k in Cali (which has insane prices). I would say $10k in the less populated states should get you a pretty nice one. $15k for a really good one
Would this put any extra load on the OE steering system? It already seems to overheat too quickly and easily cause leaks. Would a power steering cooling solution be a good addon to this kit to mitigate some of the side effects of the increased loads/power going through the system?
It definitely is a bit harder on the system. Think of it as opening a door from a door knob in the middle of the door instead of the edge. You have less leverage. I have the stock "cooler" that isn't really a cooler and plan to upgrade to the chase bays power steering kit with the cooler before the hot summer months.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets I gotta say, I was planning on getting the ZHP steering rack until I saw this video (which my brother linked me)... I'm kinda sold, but I'll do some more research before I bite the bullet. Also wish there was a Canadian distributor... import fees suck
Well thanks for checking out the video. Hopefully it had some good information for you 👍
can you do an in-depth video on what specific reinforcements you did to the chassis of the car and where you bought all the after market parts from it would really help me out. love you videos man!
Nice one, what did you think of the m235i overall, powerwise?
The m235i I drove has a big boost big turbo kit on it, so it's fast lol. The video I uploaded before this one has clips of us driving that car if you're interested.
Doesn't this put alot more pressure on a 20 year old steering rack? Push a door closed from the opening edge = easy, push a door closed from the inside edge = broken finger
It does. I rebuilt my power steering pump at the same time and it's been fine. It's more like pushing a door from the middle instead of the edge. It makes for quicker steering than a rack swap, but isn't the best for daily drivers that rack up a lot of miles because there are spherical bearings that need to be serviced about every 10k driving miles
Will this change the wheel to fender gap for the guys living on the edge? Rolled and flush.
Nope! Wheel should be in the same place since you really aren't changing the length of the control arm any. You will need an alignment after the install though!
@@TreatsOnTheStreets Thank you for the input on these!
have you put on a Z3 rack yet?
Love it
How does it handle at 100+ Mph?
Cause with the rack swap, I did not lose that centering dead zone, but it still handles safe at high speed.
It feels safe to me. When you bolt it up it is really solid. I'd personally feel safe at any speed and it has never felt sketchy. Only thing is you'd definitely want to do a nut and bolt check every once in a while.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets I'm afraid if it goes like wobbly or too sensitive at high speed. I don't drift neither speed (E46 Coupe 30ci), but safety is a main regard.
The problem with the original steering ratio is as you said, when you jump in from a new gen car, it just feels so slow!
Well shoot if you were local I'd let you drive it. It isn't sketchy but I get your concern
@@TreatsOnTheStreets That's an awesome offer, even tho I'm european (Portugal), so I thank you for that!
Also, petrol bimmers are scarce here.
Well, I guess I'll have to try and see for myself. Cheers!
You should buy a Estoril blue E36 M3 with a europe spec engine. Do it do it do it
Is this the race or drift kit??
It is adjustable to be whatever you want
Finally mahn✊✊✊
This kit good for drifting. but You'll have problems during parking in small places when you drive in small circle. I had cheap Chinese variant. But main principle is the same. Make Anckerman angle smaller.
M235i?????
So do those joints make any noise?
No, at least not with mine so far.
Please remove forklift's handle from your steering wheel. It's very dangerous. Driver can have serious injury in car crash.
Rock and yazm on the train lol
Fourth!! Lol. Also hope I’m allowed to say this, but I see an RTD shifter box in the thumbnail?? Foreshadowing haha!
You have a keen eye my man!
Gotta FLICK the wheel
they do a deal with youtubers? Donut just installed these haha
Really? Haha well that is purely coincidence. I know SLR has been killing it recently.
that things like 600 bux no thnx
Love the video man. Check out my Techno E36. Love to get your thoughts.
intro was so cringe
😫😫$500
Nice! Do they make a kit for the E30? I just watched Donut Media install this kit on an E36 earlier today.
czcams.com/video/eWHI7a6s0R4/video.html
Not sure. Go to slrspeed.com and check em out. The one I installed is the mini kit
@@TreatsOnTheStreets I figured I could look it up, OR be really lazy, lol. Thanks!
slrspeed.com/collections/all/e30
@@mry82 nice looks like they've got some good options
I think you are a bad driver or just don't have it to drive a proper car. That E36 is one of the best high speed steering cars ever.
My power steering doesnt work lmao
Nah bro, my tractor is better
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